In other words, the US imperialists intend to open a network toxic landfills in the DR to accommodate the US waste, trash, garbage, industrial byproducts, and medical poisons... environmental dumping.

In the DR, US capitalists will not face civil liability for the sickness and contamination that afflict the residents that surround the dumpsites. US residents have file and often won thousands of these lawsuits against the trashy US bourgeoisie. When you environmentally murder DRs, the degenerate and reactionary DR bourgeoisie applauds. No legal consequences.

The US imperialists promise the gullible DRs that this refuse will be turned into "biofuels," this is sales pitch that guarantees a warm welcome for the pollutting refuse.

and the list grows. wasn´t it just last month another american company was planning to do the same? a firm which, actually, had not yet began to prove that it could produce ethanol at economically feasible prices from metropolitan solid waste. hopefully, they will do their homework before jumping in head first, like Leo and the metro. the problem with msw( metropolitan solid waste) technology for producing ethanol from garbage is that the theory is sound, but the application is very variable from location to location. it is not simply a matter of processing GARBAGE! you are looking to extract ethanol from the cellulosic content of the landfill. that includes all the organic matter, such as paper. a landfill in the urban areas is different from a landfill in the rural areas. city landfills have more paper, such as discarded newspapers ,periodicals and books. also, packaging boxes and cardboard. rural landfills have more agricultural content, such as fruit husks and skins. hopefully,

the dr government will think carefully before jumping into bed with these foreign operators who all make big promises. they know that political figures are all looking for legacy -building ventures, such as the metro. we should tread carefully before we are suckered into another boondoggle project, while education goes unattended

Both of the previous comments are rediculous.

Would both "Dreadlocks' and "Belial" change where you are from : Untited States ,to Iran or Cuba or some other country that hates Americans.

Hopefully both of you have been deported and are on the no-fly list .
I find your constant insults to the good people of the DR and USA very disturbing.

Hopefully NSA and DNI are checking this forum for extremists and radicals.





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Mr. Jander, the neighborhood inwhich I live in NYC went to court to stop the building of one of these. Guess were they built it? At Riverbank Park in Washington Heights a heavy Dominican populated area. If you you look at the astma rate between Washington Heights and Battery Park, you will see why such installation was strongly rejected and fought in court for months after months by Battery Park City's residents. If it was nfr attery Park, its not good for DR either. Remember that regardless of economics, people are hman and deserve equal treatment. This is simply another way to get rid of large amount fo garbage that is produced here in the U.S. by a trow society like ours. They are correct, Mr. Jander, do not be blinded and do not become a fanatic in the process. You it is easy for educated people to get fanatics to do evil even against themselves, because we know that they will defend anything just for the sake of defending it. tHIS ONLY MEANS MORE ASTMA FOR THESE PEOPLE.

You know, I am really growing tired of educating people on this forum. If the level of knowledge that is shown on here by some people is a reflection of the mainstream Dominican in the U.S., then we have a lot to work on.

With respect to this article, I personally do not know if there will be toxin emissions created from the exchange from waste to energy. My gut instinct tells me that likely there is and it is very expensive if the technology exists to clean or filter 100%on extraction.

All this pretty much confirms from this companys facility ,if was built, the byproducts of the production of energy from waste will increase the chance of people in areas near the facility of getting sick. Dominican gov'ments role is to protect these people. The extra revenue to R.D. does not outweigh people getting sick or dying.

Written by: Belial, 18 Jan 2008 12:13 PM
From: United States
In other words, the US imperialists intend to open a network toxic landfills in the DR to accommodate the US waste, trash, garbage, industrial byproducts, and medical poisons... environmental dumping.
Written by: dreadlocks, 18 Jan 2008 12:57 PM
From: United States
the dr government will think carefully before jumping into bed with these foreign operators who all make big promises.
Written by: lucwarmie, 18 Jan 2008 9:23 PM
From: Canada.... Dominican gov'ments role is to protect these people. The extra revenue to R.D. does not outweigh people getting sick or dying.

I completely agree with these comments...well said!!! Not only are these foreign operators making big promises...they are the ones who are making the big bucks!!
The current situation in the dr is not ideal, I am sure everyone agrees, but the Government should concentrate on a solution, bearing in mind the consequences to the enviroment and its people.

Unfortunately, this doesn't sound promising..I am sure this project is not going to be set up in Lionels back yard!

Written by: Jander, 18 Jan 2008 6:28 PM
From: United States
Hopefully both of you have been deported and are on the no-fly list .
I find your constant insults to the good people of the DR and USA very disturbing.
Hopefully NSA and DNI are checking this forum for extremists and radicals.

PS Jander.. everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I am neither extremist or radical, I do not intend to insult the good people of the DR, with who I have lived for many years...and I do not hate Americans!
My concerns about the article I have just read, are for the Dominican people, who are going to end up with this on their doorstep....Unfortunately the Governments of both these countries will probably NOT think the same way.

Mr. Jander, I live in the U.S. and I am an American citizen, but to be realistic, we do not want these multi-purpose facilities in our areas for their health risks and damage to the respiratory system. Dominicans are not les human than those of us that liv in U.S. therefore, I am against the exportation of our contamination, eventhough, this is to my advantage. Please search about the astma rate in poor areas, that often house bus depots, multi-purpose plants, and industrial parks. I am certain that these facilities will not be built in the city center of SD or one of those upper class areas, now why is that? becuase they do not need the money, or because they know that it is not worthy when that means that your child will be astmatic as a result.

"Would both "Dreadlocks' and "Belial" change where you are from : Untited States ,to Iran or Cuba or some other country that hates Americans."

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Speaking for Belial, thanks, Jander, for the travel advice. But I hope you know where you can go?

And

"Hopefully NSA and DNI are checking this forum for extremists and radicals."

This hope shows that you are a GOP traitor to the USA ... that is, the US people under the Constitution ... because what you "hope" for violates the 1st and 4th Amendments of the Constitution.

"You know, I am really growing tired of educating people on this forum."


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Dagtan, nothing exhilarates more than truth about our society and nothing earned the vile hatred of reactionaries more than this truth. Remember Jesus, Socrates, MLK and other heroes of humanity. Those who speak truthfully cleanse not only themselves, but also their brothers and sisters, the victims of repression. This is something the reactionary scum, slime, garbage, and trash will never understand. But those who are fooled my these dirty pro-imperialist reactionaries are not scum, rather our deceived brothers and sisters are victims of the imperialist scum.

I for one ... whether alone or with others ... will never desert my brothers & sisters in their just struggle, because virtue is its own reward and truth is the ultimate virtue, the one without which the others can't exists.

I have sworn a permanent oath to the red flag of the proletariat and I shall fight to the bitter or glorious end.

Belial thank you for your kind and motivating words. I have also adapted such oath, but find myself having a greater deal od sucess among Anglo Americans and my quest to prove to them that a Dominican have the cognitive and metacognitive abilities as they do, than convincing some Dominicans on this forum that things are not well with our people. And that there is more to do thanwht is already happening. I for one do not have an inferiority complex, but had a real desire to create or be part of the creation of a sucessful hispanic/Dominican family on the basis of the American definition of estable and well establish middle class family which is the foundation of the American culture. I thank GOD that I have been sucessful in achieving such state that evades so many of my people and hispanics in general in the U.S. today.

Big surprise, more TOXIC hate of the United States.... Go figure...

i would reply to Jander`s observations on my comments if i was sure he could read and comprehend what he saw in print. i have concluded that it is a waste of broadband. anyone who thinks that a scientific and technological inquiry is criticism is beyond help.

Dreadlocks, Mr. Jander is a perfect example of what I have been calling FANATICS on this forum. You see they have a pattern, which is to defend everything that goes on in the DR, without even reading what the issue is. In this particular case he wants these multi-purpose plants to emitt the biproduct that causes astmas and cancer, because after all he needs to defend the DR. This is really a sad story, while we are rejecting the installation of such facility, he wants it, simply because he feels the needs to defend DR. Remember, that the reason why the situation in DR will not come around as soon as we might want it, is because in general Dominicans have a tendency to defend what ever is being done in the island and look at people that dare to critic as agitators or simply not being Dominican enought, what a joke they are.

Dagtan, these are really sad examples of humanity. people who blindly support political regimes because of some inexplicable allegiance ,do more harm than good to the country. there are some people who post on this forum that believe criticising the government is equivalent to criticising the pld. they then invoke memories of hipolito and his vicissitudes to make comparisons and relative analysis. i dont give a rat`s behind about hipolito; he is no more relevant than napoleon. what he stole from the country was money, not vision. we do not have a metro because of hipolito; actually, he rejected the idea when President Lula from Brazil suggested it. we do not have increasing inequality in the last two years because he failed to address such issues. he does not set today`s feeble education budget. the continued corruption and lack of transparency which exists today is certainly not attributable to him! the fact that i make these observations does not make me a prd supporter. i criticised

Hippo just as much as i criticise Leonel. what people fail to realise is that Leonel and Hipolito should not be the central focus of our discussions. but we live in some sort of patriarchal world, where we must have some father figure. we live in his world, and he tells us what we can and cannot do. it is like a father telling his 8 year old son when to turn out the lights and go to bed! so Leo and his gang get to tell us what is good for us, without any sort of referendum or plebiscite on major issues. you need a train, he says, not books and classrooms. the prd and the pld are public SERVANTS, only they dont realise it. we should start the mission of showing them who is boss, not defending their nonsense in heated exchanges. what purpose is served by stating that hippo stole 2 billion and leo only stole 1? in the final analysis it is your money; most of these guys over whom you are willing to come to blows entered into politics with nothing, and leave as billionaires!

as we speak, construction crews are working double shift and overtime to get the metro ready for 27th of february. that way , leo can make his triumphant ride into the station to much fanfare and trumpets. conventional wisdom and engineering expertise say that the deadline cannot be met, but he is still cracking the whip. so shortcuts will probably have to be taken, so he can achieve his grand moment in the sun; the man who made us almost New York! then two weeks later, the thing will malfunction, because it wasnt properly done. if the supporters of either party find this to be acceptable governance, so be it.

Boy did I start a feeding frenzy by my first post on this topic...
That’s ok because it has kept this topic alive.
Oh by the way, what was the topic?
That’s taking a stinking, rotting rat infested garbage dumps (not landfills) (oh by the way remember the bubonic plague?) mosquito breeding ground (by the way have you heard of Dengue?)
It's a real nice place and lots of kids playing there as well...

Give this project a chance and I bet you will be pleasantly surprised.

I am not from the GOP, I hate politics but it’s part of life and life is to short to hate so much..

“One love”

Mr. Jander, if we in our American neighborhoods are not giving these facilities a chance, then why do the people in DR have to give these facilities a chance? Please answer this question. The bottom line is that we all know that they are harmfull and do not want them in our areas. Yet, they build them in areas that are heavely immigrant and people of low educational level, maybe because they have the same level of naiveness as you do.

Kids play in dumps in the U.S? The fact remains the technology I really believe does not exist to transfer waste to energy without some form of emissions, that are 100 % filtered. One big reason I believe it does not exist, is why could this company not implement this in any city in the US, with all the money in grants, subsities and it is such a hot topic in the news. You would think one city out of hundreds in the U.S. would jump on board if it were safe. The problem could be it may not safe.
I believe the people who dies or get sick from dengue, or the plague directly caused by these dumps in the U.S. is far less then the amount of people who will get sick,die from air pollution in DR.
Of coarse a solution to these dumps is needed. It should be of U.S policy to sift through the existing dumps in the U.S to start recyling processess. Going forward the people of the U.S. need to be very prudent on reducing, reusing and recyling. More so,all manufactures need to lessen packaging.

Dagtan I live here in the DR have for 14 years, what are you trying to tell me.
I searched high and low for any environmental violations against Bio-gold and couldn't come up with anything negative. maybe you can and show me the facts.


I love this place and the people and will retire here soon, no matter what.

A day doesn't go by that I don't help someone in this country and do so with love.

I donate to every legitimate charity and have been apart to employing over 500 men and women.

Dagtan I live here in the DR have for 14 years, what are you trying to tell me.
I searched high and low for any environmental violations against Bio-gold and couldn't come up with anything negative. maybe you can and show me the facts.


I love this place and the people and will retire here soon, no matter what.

A day doesn't go by that I don't help someone in this country and do so with love.

I donate to every legitimate charity and have been apart to employing over 500 men and women.

This project will go one no matter what you or I say look on the bright side.

Mr. Jander you are wrong, you must look at the indexes of astmas in neighborhoods such as Washington Heights, Hunts Point, Harlem, South Bronx and compare them to neighborhoods such as Battery Park City, Riverdale, Park Slope and Throgs Neck. I am satying local to allow you to go and search the data on NYC health department web site. Everything is there, also go to the NYT site and look up multi-purpose plants or bio disposal plants, yes, this company has not been chrgaed of waste dumping, just as exxon mobil, coal electrical plants and many more. Only when it is too late people find out about the dumps and many times they are covered by specila interest. It has been establish that the bi-product of such palsnts causes astmas and that people who have the ability to battle these companies will do so. I am not here to waste my time trying to make you understand that this kind of plant is not good for anyone, that is the reason why is been exported, cont..

we here in the U.S. are a waste society. We throw everything aways every few years, we replace our cars every 125k miles, we can care less about where the our garbage goes, because it does not last one day in our streets. You see, Mr. Jander, we are simply exporting our garbage, because the poor neighborhoods that are often populated by immigrants are already saturated with waste exchange stations as these. The gorvernment is realizing that these poeple are getting the short end of things and that their astmas, mental disability and physical problems index is way too high. In the U.S. we are very sensitive about bad publicy and do not like to see people suffering fro something that can be removed to another land. Finally, I never questioned your time in DR, I was born there and left at age of 14, so I do not know where you are heading with statement. The fact that you live does justify that such installations are good for the people in the area. Check if it will be built in, con

a rich or poor part of the province, then we'll talk further. Please go see for yourself the site on which such facilities will be built, after all you lived there for 14 years. I did not called you any names, so once again you are simply showing your inability to hold an objective and intelligent conversation.

hey jander, thats all you think about deportation of immigrants, the us should be greatful that there is so many immigrants in there land, because in the first place immigrants build America and immigrants are the back bone of the US. But you know what, you and others like your self will eat does words, because now there is Eroupe and a whole new monetary going around. havent you done the math immigrants is what make your currency strong what would happen if they all leave your economy would collaps. Why do you think congress is so hesitant to making or redefying the immigration laws. Carful for what you wish for, be very careful it might just happen,

hey Dagtan, we all know the situation with pollution in poor neighborhoods in the usa. puerto ricans in hunts point have among the highest incidence of asthma in the usa, but nobody has isolated a human gene responsible for asthma which is more predominant in puerto ricans than other ethnicities. therefore, it has to do with products of the polluted hunts point environment. in this country we have the port of haina, the third most polluted place on earth! we also have another trophy on the top ten list, but the name escapes me. do we really want to encourage more possibilities for toxic exposure, given the recorded failures of past governments to reduce pollution? or are we confident that Leo and the boys will protect us? lastly, landfills in the usa are capable of producing some cellulose ethanol, because of the content of the garbage. in america, telephone books make up the bulk of the garbage in landfills: yes, telephone books! not to mention newspapers, packing boxes, and other

paper products, which form the basis for cellulose ethanol production. the landfills here do not reflect an equally high cellulose content: therefore, not because it is feasible in boston means it is feasible in bonao. i am simply saying that dominican entreprenuers should tread carefully when they do business with guys from abroad pitching these ideas: they could end up getting taken to the cleaners!!

A recent UN Development Program report observed that Brazil was more efficient than the European Union and the United States in producing ethanol.

It estimated that sugarcane ethanol created up to 70 percent fewer greenhouse gases than fossil fuels, whereas maize -- most used in the United States -- permitted a reduction of only 13 percent.

Nevertheless, at the moment the EU plan "is more a perspective than a real opportunity" because of the high EU tariffs -- 60 percent -- applied to Brazilian ethanol, Kutas said.

Brazil in 2007 sent 800 million liters of ethanol to Europe, which represented 30 percent of European consumption of the fuel, according to UNICA.