Written by: generoso, 1 Nov 2008 1:42 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Couldn't happen to a better person or a better quasi state!
Puerto Ricans are so used to living on welfare and munching off the USA in an immense
bureaucracy that like Cuba annuls incentives for citizens to initiate new entrepreneurial
starts and instead instill habits in them to live a parasitical life from the state hand outs.
More than a new economic model what they need is a lot of new blood in the form of fresh
immigration and new business starts.
But if you think it' hard to do business in DR it is because you haven't been in Puerto Rico lately.
If the USA ever pulls the plug and cut the umbilical cord that's feeding PR economy then they will have to immigrate to DR and come looking for work here like they did in the 20 TH Century.
Written by: BASTA, 1 Nov 2008 2:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
come on over- meet your relatives. 2 times 80% of dominicans left for cuba and pr
Written by: antonio1, 1 Nov 2008 2:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
I believe the economic model is not the problem, the problem is that the islander vote for a governor that promise CHANGE and as soon as he was elected he imposes a sale tax that stop any type of economy grow.
From: United States, Brooklyn
Dominicans left for cuba and PR cuz of the Haitian Barbarian invasion... and the many anti-white, anti-catholic, anti-spanish laws the Barbarians passed
Written by: devin11, 1 Nov 2008 7:24 PM
From: United States, The Greatest City
Mr. Generoso, you speak as if Puerto Ricans only syphon monetary favors from the United States. You make no reference to the vast cultural, military and political contributions that have permeated into the American diaspora over the last 100 years. In such a manner you wish to convey that the relationship between the U.S. and P.R. is so completely one sided that Puerto Ricans should feel "ashamed"? Am I to believe that the "proud" Dominican populace would not take every single possible economic or logistical support aid from the U.S.? Let me assure you that it does. Let me also assure you that the D.R. has accepted all the financial donations that P.R. has "proudly" donated through disaster relief missions. I doubt that Puerto Ricans would migrate to the D.R. as you stated since they can enter the US legally if faced with economic hardship. Perhaps you were referring to the over 110 thousand Dominicans that live in P.R. returning to look for work. Nah, they would go to the US as well.
Written by: generoso, 1 Nov 2008 7:52 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Vast cultural contribution! Come on! like what mofongo, the coqui and West Side story?
Military contributions I grant you, many Puerto Ricans have died serving in the US armed forces,
so have many Dominicans but that's not the point.
Political contributions? PR voters can't vote in US Presidential elections voting rights that continental US citizens have although have in place one of the strongest lobbies in Washington,D.C. a
well greased lobbying machinery only second to the NRA, the Israelis and the sugar monopolies.
But that's not the point either.
If you want to compare PR to DR with all our limitations go ahead but Dominicans are in another class and used to dealing with adversity much better.
We are talking economics here let's not start hitting below the belt, the comment is that Puerto Ricans like it or not can not keep their present standard of living WITHOUT the connection to the US Federal help, and that has created a very dependent society on the US. OK?
Written by: antonio1, 1 Nov 2008 7:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
Devin, one thing we will love is for all Dominicans to return back to their country or come to the main land, but not without being appreciative of the people from PR.
Written by: devin11, 1 Nov 2008 8:33 PM
From: United States, The Greatest City
Mr. Generoso, cultural contributions include music, cinema and theatre, do they not? Well then there is not enough posting space for me to include the VAST contributions in these genres by multiple Puerto Rican artists that include Academy, Tony, Emmy and Grammy award winners. The Puerto Rican day parade in NYC is the largest CULTURAL event in the entire United States. Carnegie Hall (a cultural cradle for music since 1890) has been head-lined by more Puerto Rican artist than any other Latin group by far. Is this not true? Why would you mock this incredible and enviable CULTURAL achievement by trying to credit "mofongo", "west side story" and the "coqui" as our only contributions. Please don't compare the sacrifices that P.R. has made in the US armed forces with the sacrifices of the D.R. You know, I am sure, that P.R. has fought in every US conflict since W.W.1. More Puerto Ricans have died per capita in US wars since WW1 than any state in the union. Post with your head, not over it.
Written by: devin11, 1 Nov 2008 8:43 PM
From: United States, The Greatest City
Antonio, thank you for your kind words. I swear to you that I don't feel that a Puerto Rico without Dominicans is a better place. In fact, I feel the opposite, a Puerto Rico without Dominicans and their contributions could never be as good. I can assure you that the overwhelming majority of Puerto Ricans feel the same as I do. I cite as proof the fact that the Dominican populace in Puerto Rico has grown in number almost yearly since the early '90's . There may even be 2 Dominican born mayors elected in the next mayoral elections. I thank you for your appreciation and in turn ask you to accept mine. My deepest regards.
Written by: devin11, 1 Nov 2008 9:06 PM
From: United States, The Greatest City
Mr. Generoso writes,
"If you want to compare PR to DR with all our limitations go ahead but Dominicans are in another class and used to dealing with adversity much better."
I don't know what class he may be referring to but I do know that Dominicans deal with adversity the same way that Puerto Ricans do, they leave and go to the U.S. It is completely comparable that both flee adversity, not that one group is more adept at dealing with it. The only people that don't flee adversity are the ones who cannot.
Mr. Generoso writes,
"the comment is that Puerto Ricans like it or not cannot keep their present standard of living without the connection to the US federal help...."
Which country in the western hemisphere could keep their standard of living without help from the US government? Could Mexico have survived without NAFTA and the hundreds of thousand jobs created there? How worse would it be in Haiti without US help? Does US support of American Business in DR help?
Written by: generoso, 1 Nov 2008 9:57 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Wether you like it or not or it bruises your thin skin sensitivity Puerto Rico is regarded by many of the US congress members as a welfare state and excuse me for repeating it, rightly so.
We are not talking here about US aid we are talking grants, social security benefits, pensions, disability payments, health payments, health insurance, old age pensions, you name it.
Lot's of countries get US help. Few have the sweet Federal benefits that Puerto Ricans have.
What you said about serving in the armed forces is very true, lots of Puerto Ricans have made the army, navy and US air force their career, but this is just because of economic factors of poor available employment options.
As a matter of fact and FYI the federal bail out package for $700 billion that was just approved by
Congress had some heavy pork in it (more than 130 billion additional) and you know who were the beneficiaries? Puerto Rican lobbies.
Written by: generoso, 1 Nov 2008 10:03 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
So don't feed feed all this bushu about how SUPERIOR to Dominicans you Ricans are,
sure you have your J.Lo and Benicio and all that, and congratulations, but we Dominicans have also contributed a lot to the arts, music, cinema, we have famous designers, doctors, writers, professors, scientists, olympic gold medal winners,
major league baseball players, sportsmen, and on and on and on.
But no way anybody can say that they are so SUPERIOR to the other. That's a bunch of bull.
And considering a PARADE a cultural event, come on brother, spare me!
A friend of mine used to say:
I am the most powerful human in the world.........
But there is nobody less powerful either!
Written by: devin11, 1 Nov 2008 10:40 PM
From: United States, The Greatest City
Mr. Generoso, I don't have thin skin, not at all. I'm a lawyer, by nature my skin is shark tough. Try a little advice, if you want to make an argument you need to work on your approach. You will never seem to be unbiased when you start a discourse with "couldn't happen to a better person or a better quasi state". Aside from the obvious grammatical flaws, it conveys a sense of smug happiness for the probable hardship of another. Adding to your fine intellect and keen acumen in Puerto Rican economic matters, you state that Puerto Ricans may need to return to the D.R. to look for work. I wish that the D.R. had as sweet a deal and I'm sure deep in the recesses of your heart, you do also. It is perfectly fair for you and others, congressmen included to feel that P.R. is a welfare state. What is not fair is your true motivation, the antipathy that you have for Puerto Rico and it's people. At least you rescinded from continuing the cultural argument. I wish you and D.R. the best my brother.
Written by: generoso, 1 Nov 2008 10:49 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Here you go again, pulling rank and all. I don't give a hoot if you are a lawyer or sell kipes in the street my friend. I might have stepped on your tough shark skin toes by stating the facts that in the 20TH century the Puerto Ricans were immigrating to DR to work in the sugar cane mills in San Pedro de Macoris. Read the history books well versed lawyer. It's no offense to look for a job were jobs are available. To work in any occupation lifts a man's self esteem and is not a crime.
Also you don't have to be ashamed and can come down your big lawyer high steps into the real world and admit that PR is a welfare state. No judgement intended, just a fact.
As a matter of fact I regard Puerto Ricans my brothers, I have a genuine dislike for Puerto Ricans that are ashamed of their nationality and would prefer even not speaking español.
Te deseo lo mejor hermano!
Written by: devin11, 1 Nov 2008 11:00 PM
From: United States, The Greatest City
Generoso, cultural parades are cultural events. I have never, ever stated in these posts or any other writings of any superiority to Dominicans by Puerto Ricans. How dare you accuse me of that!!!!! You have been exposed for your true sentimentality and now you wish to divert from your hypocrisy by accusing me of something I did not do!!!!! I only mentioned Puerto Rican accomplishments when you claimed there were none. After I mention these accomplishments you then say that Dominicans have also made contributions. Of course they have, I never questioned it!!!!!! I have never questioned any cultural, economic or the contributions of any nationality. You did that!!! I know that there are very few of your countrymen that share your bias and I hope there are less every day. I am just a man who has a great love of his culture despite all of it's shortcomings, just like you. The difference between us is that I don't have to hate yours to love mine. That is your job my brother.
Written by: generoso, 1 Nov 2008 11:05 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
One more thing, from the cynicism of your reply I thank you for your obvious superiority in your english grammar and your noted corrections of my grammatical "flaws". After all you are a lawyer and use the correct all program in your computer.
I do not really want to continue the cultural argument, because I assure you sir, you will lose.
What you don't know is that I MAY be a published writer with dominion of not only English but Spanish as well, and have won international awards as such. Being bicultural as well as bilingual
makes a big difference as I do not consider myself superior to a Puerto Rican jibaro or a Haitian
migrant sugar cane worker, we are all humans struggling to make ends meet in a tough and
unjust world.
My last parting words to you is remember when you dish it out expect something nice in return!
QUID PRO QUO!
Written by: devin11, 1 Nov 2008 11:33 PM
From: United States, The Greatest City
MR. Generoso, let me assure you sir, I would not lose any argument to you, of any type, ever. Not because of any educational experience I may have benefited from. I know all too well that intelligence has nothing to do with formal education. I would not lose any argument where I am speaking on the condition of truth and decency. The only arguments that can be lost are those that are fought on weak foundations and on biased premises. Those are the ones you specialize in sir. No computer software that I have ever seen can help compensate for sentence structure, composition or punctuation but thanks for the insult. Let me remind you again of the opening post to this thread, "couldn't happen to a better person or quasi state". Very objective comment right, no sense of judgement there right? The only one who has received something in return is you, for your biased banter. En fin mi hermano, no pienses ni por un solo segundo que quien te habla en ingles, no te puede contestar en espanol.
Written by: generoso, 2 Nov 2008 8:38 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Oh so then what got your going what's "couldn't happen to a better person or quasi state" Now I understand. Well Mr. Shark skin lawyer you still high in your "pedestal" and your superiority issues.
And probably I do have a bias against Puerto Rican lawyers that have shark skins and firmly believe that they are more intelligent or can pose a better argument than a lay person.
But, your honor, I choose to defend myself and my country. Dominicans in Puerto Rico are mistreated by their Puerto Rican "brothers" and they are treated as lesser citizens and abused. I have witnessed this time and time again. And FYI Ronald Reagan's Caribbean Basin Initiative never worked, because Puerto Rican banks never wanted to let go the US investment monies that was supposed to stimulate new industries in DR and was always bogged down in PR Banks.The last ambassador from the US that we had in DR was actually a PR national that was more interested in PR lobbying and business than working for the US and DR
Written by: josean, 2 Nov 2008 2:28 PM
From: United States, Show your Love for DR Vote AGAINST the PLD!
g,
"But, your honor, I choose to defend myself and my country. Dominicans in Puerto Rico are mistreated by their Puerto Rican "brothers" and they are treated as lesser citizens and abused."
Assuming this is true, is not like what we do to Haitians? Except in PR they do not burn Dominican's houses!
Written by: generoso, 2 Nov 2008 2:43 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
josean,
go back into your dark hole this conversation is for major leaguers!
Written by: josean, 2 Nov 2008 2:53 PM
From: United States, Show your Love for DR Vote AGAINST the PLD!
Is that why the Boricua is kicking your gluteus maximus up you neck, Oh learned one?
Written by: generoso, 2 Nov 2008 3:01 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
The boricua cultural police has kicked himself in the G maximus and dug himself into a deep hole,
where I have to admit you had attained residency status much before, josean.
BTW the Tropical Rain forest are not in the tropics ,LOL.
But of course you probably flunked geography.
Oh Learned one, I like that. Keep using it.
Bless.....
Written by: josean, 2 Nov 2008 3:05 PM
From: United States, Show your Love for DR Vote AGAINST the PLD!
g,
Be a man and admit it, he beat the mangu out of you!
Written by: generoso, 2 Nov 2008 3:09 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
josean: LOL you are a funny arbirtrator, go ahead and take the boricua side vende patria.
BTW I had mangu for breakfast today, but you know what, I like......mofongo better.LOL.
Written by: josean, 2 Nov 2008 3:12 PM
From: United States, Show your Love for DR Vote AGAINST the PLD!
g,
How much are platanos in Nepal?
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
generoso I usually find empathy in your arguments ....not this one....It betrays an antagonism to the Puerto Rican people that you have developed through mistreatment and possibly envy.I would think you harbour similar feelings toward Cubans due to their historic primacy in the Spanish Antilles.Remembering when boricuas searched for work in the DR is a statement always made about Puerto Rico and if it makes you feel better for all the slights done by ignorant Puerto Ricans to Dominicans so be .You must always remember it was the Puerto Ricans who were in the trenches fighting for their way of life a Hispanic way of life in the USA in the 20s 30s 40s 50s 60s 70s etc a time when very few Dominicans could emigrate. The people of Puerto Rico deserve your thanks for breaking down many walls for you in the USA and they do deserve their high standard of living and if you wish to compare accomplishments on the world stage you will be very disappointed when you consult Wiki or any other source
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
having spoken as a former resident of Puerto Rico I now would like to say why I live in the DR. I live there because it still has a sense of purity that modern life has not destroyed ...this is why the Boricuas love it here...... it is as they used to be People and Place in another era
Written by: devin11, 2 Nov 2008 3:32 PM
From: United States, The Greatest City
Generoso, I really don't think you are reading my posts. When have I attacked in anyway the Dominican Republic? Why don't you argue the facts instead of consistently accusing me of saying things that I did not. I defy any of the members of this forum to read my post and find a lone disparaging comment about the Dominican Republic in any of my posts. I have not allowed you to take me down to your level Generoso. I am very sorry that you feel contempt for Puerto Ricans, I will however not allow that contempt to manifest in me a contempt for Dominicans. I will not reply to you anymore as my posts have not helped to discourage your contempt or disdain. As far as being the winner or loser of this discourse, I believe that I did lose. I lost because I was not able to extract from you a sense of shame for your indignity. Take care of yourself Mr. Generoso and thank you very much for your time and attention.
Deepest Regards,
Your Brother
Written by: devin11, 2 Nov 2008 3:42 PM
From: United States, The Greatest City
josean, thanks for your support. I was starting to worry that everyone was in disagreement with my position.
GC, thank you also, I appreciate your kind words.
Written by: generoso, 2 Nov 2008 5:20 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Now you have resorted to personal attacks! I have heard no rebuttals just self serving sermons taking the self righteous pedestals of finger pointing.
"extract shame for my indignity" WOW, those are big legalese words, your honor. Now you don't want to
talk about when the Puerto Ricans migrated to the DR (if it's true or not), or how a big percentage live
mooching on Federal entitlements, or how they use and abuse Dominicans living in Borinquen, or
give me some facts on how the PR banks kept all the federal money that was supposed to finance the Caribbean Basin Incentive and only loaned a few millions to the DR inventing restrictions on the use of those loans so that DR business couldn't use them.
Attacking? I am stating facts if I am wrong then prove me wrong with facts! In no way I am attacking
anyone or being personal. I have the highest respect for Puerto Ricans. Except the ones that pretend not to speak Spanish. (I didn't mean you, your honor).
I rest my case.
Written by: generoso, 2 Nov 2008 5:22 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
josean,
You can barter for platanos in Katmandu and exchange them in Freak Street.
I ain't kidding God honest truth! That's how it is called!
Written by: generoso, 2 Nov 2008 5:32 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
devin11:
I did learn that a lot about CULTURAL achievements: "The Puerto Rican day parade in NYC is the largest CULTURAL event in the entire United States" (your words).
That was the best one!
For the books! I am sending those very wise thoughts to the NY Times for publication.
BTW what kind of lawyer are you? Specializing in cultural law?
Be well, hermano.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
generoso... try to imagine yourself in a Turkish prison for many years without anyone to talk to or share your memories with and one day they open the door and they throw in a Puerto Rican....try to imagine your joy at being able to talk to someone who shares your culture and values ......josean my little buddy is already excited about the Turkish prison fantasy...it helps to take his mind off the Metro
Written by: generoso, 2 Nov 2008 5:52 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
gouletcolonial:
Cuba was "the pearl of the Antilles" until the many corrupt governments
and dictators even before Machado and Batista. When Fidel took over Cuba was one of the most corrupt and vice laden island in the Caribbean dominated by the Las Vegas mafia. Castro took over in January 1, 1959 so he has been there for what... almost 50 years, now that's a long time brother.
But to say that "similar feelings toward Cubans due to their historic primacy in the Spanish Antilles" is boasting a bit, much like Cubans. Their relevancy is only because they were the geographical convenient port for the Spanish ships that
were coming with the loot from Mexico and needed to restock for the long voyage.
Now if you judge civilizations by their plastic arts such as sculpture and oil paintings (the Tainos for example were not considered an advanced civilization like the Mayas or Astecs because of the poor definition of their Huacos,
Then I grant you Cubans have made important contributions
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
yes genoroso that is correct Havana was a great city of the world when San Juan and Santo Domingo and later Miami were po dunk nothings yes long before Castros Cuba .....it was the most important of the Spanish Antilles an important stop on world shipping lanes for all ships from Europe coming and South America going...San Juan and Santo Domingo were hick towns....location location location
Written by: generoso, 2 Nov 2008 6:01 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
But to boast flamboyantly about Cuban superiority, strikes me out. Just the same with Puerto Ricans posing as superior.
Look we are all islanders, and we all have things in common and good and bad things. But I just don't agree on supremacy issues.
The Caribbean nations as a whole are a wonderful, vibrant place to live on his planet. And I know because I have lived and travelled all over the world.
I just hope GC because I am not a young stud like josean any more that I live to see the day when the Castro brothers exit finally from Cuban politics and free elections are conducted there (Basta Ya) and Cuba is free and Puerto Ricans decide to either be independent and forget about Federal monies or become a formal state and emerge from the limbo that they presently live in.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
the value of the plastic arts by native artists shows that in DOLLARS there is a much larger market for the works of Cuban and Puerto Rican artists than our relatively unknown artists of quality Oviedo,Colson etc
Written by: generoso, 2 Nov 2008 6:12 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
GC if I get a Puerto Rican thrown in to my jail cell I just hope is not devin11 because he will lecture
me every hour on Puerto Rican cultural accomplishments and my legal rights!
If they throw josean in then I will get him a nice red wig to wear with some sexy red victoria secret
evening wear so we could party in the evening!
BTW I saw the metro stop today in Maximo Gomez and it looks really sweet. A lot fancier than the Puerto Rican metro, ooopps they don't have one in San Juan! or do they?
Written by: generoso, 2 Nov 2008 6:16 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
GC I agree 100% about Dominican art.
I happen to have a large Dominican art collection and it has not appreciated at all in dollar terms.
Unlike the Cuban and Haitian artists that I have made money on.
Dominican artists are grossly overrated and over priced.
Puerto Rican artists, like who? Are they any? Do they paint the coqui? LOL.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
the San Juan rapid transit is heavily subsidized...everyone has a car and wont ride it...Also Santo Domingo/Santiago only wish they had galleries like San Juan /Ponce.......my favorite is Bellapart it is like a secret..PS..you made josean blush
Written by: generoso, 2 Nov 2008 6:37 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
GC:
Have you been to the Centro Leon in Santiago? The best. First time there I was pleasantly surprised
of the quality of the artworks and the professional way to display artifacts. Best Taino museum in the island.
Bellapart is good also but there are many others in Santo Domingo as well.
There is a big art auction now November 26 that should be of interest organized by Juan Jose Mesa
of Mesa Fine arts, and another one before that by the publisher of ARTES magazine.
Written by: ambioriv, 2 Nov 2008 9:27 PM
From: United States
With all the Puerto ricans defending this post, it proves that hatians aren't the only ones hating on our website. As a matter of fact I doubt it's even Hatians, cause haiti doesn't have internet, and puertoricans have more internet than both of us combined, just look at myspace.
I'm pretty sure now that all those people always hating on this site are puertoricans imitating hatians, cause they do it on youtube a lot and have no life.
Written by: ambioriv, 2 Nov 2008 9:28 PM
From: United States
So to all my Hatian friends I apologize!
Written by: generoso, 2 Nov 2008 9:51 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Hatians or Haitians?
Puerto Ricans posing as Hatians or Haitians? Now that's something to think about!
I guess the net is full of weirdos, halfwits, mongrels, inbreeders, and bad grammar!
Now is when we need devin11 and the PR cultural police parade.
Written by: josean, 2 Nov 2008 10:27 PM
From: United States, Show your Love for DR Vote AGAINST the PLD!
g,
The Boricua cleaned your Timex and the old cuban fart stabbed you in the back!
Now Rubi, is going to come after you for having Haitian relatives, you can't win my brother, better stay in Nepal!
Written by: generoso, 2 Nov 2008 10:59 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
josean:
What Haitian relatives?
You mean Hatian relatives......
The boricua smarty pants lawyer like a good know it all knows when he is beaten by much superior intellect as well as much better CULTURAL haberdasheries, had his feelings hurt and decided not to play anymore.
You either play my way or I will leave the premises.
Cultural parade time I am still laughing on that one.
Who's the old Cuba fart?
Written by: Edward, 2 Nov 2008 11:29 PM
From: United States, Faux News: Unfair Imbalance
The Dominican Republic will have lower unemployment than Puerto Rico by 2015 and a higher per capita income by 2025. It's sad, but true. Puerto Rico needs to fight for independence and stop relying on the US for everything. PR may not have the natural resources that DR has, but they are developed enough to be able to prosper on their own!!!
Written by: josean, 3 Nov 2008 8:15 AM
From: United States, Show your Love for DR Vote AGAINST the PLD!
g,
In spite of your "superior intellect" the fact is; How would Chauncey say it, The Boricua beat you like a Pin~ata!
Written by: generoso, 3 Nov 2008 1:41 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Edward:
You are mistaken, Puerto Rico has a lot more pretty white women than the DR does, that's a natural resource, correct? ( I am going to get beaten by this one).
Also PR has many professionals that have graduated in the best universities in the USA and that's
human capital available.
What they do have to change is their high tax codes and "arbitrios" and make PR a tax free zone for off shore banks like Panama and some British territories.
The big noose that's strangling around PR neck and prosperity is their corrupt and good old boy government that has to be
reformed like Alexander the great cut the Gordian knot when he was asked by the wise men to slowly unravel it.
Written by: Edward, 3 Nov 2008 3:29 PM
From: United States, Faux News: Unfair Imbalance
And? The DR has a lot more pretty brown women...so what's your point?! That's like saying that Mexico has better corn than Idaho's potatoes. LOL!
Written by: ambioriv, 3 Nov 2008 3:54 PM
From: United States
DR has a lot more pretty women in general. With better customs. They can cook and they can take care of the children. Puerto Rican men prefer Dominican women to travel the country and experience the culture and to take care of them.
Written by: Lautaro, 3 Nov 2008 7:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Josean,
Are you really such an unnatural son that you would applaud the rapacity of the Puerto Rican banks against this country? If your answer is yes, then shame on you, because you would have sunk to level of a vendepatria or turncoat by my estimation. The fact that you hate Leonel so much doesn't make us deserve to share the brunt of your hatred for him.
From: United States
please correct me if i am wrong, devin 11, but my understanding is that the three largest cultural one-day parades in the USA are 1) the West Indian Day Parade 2) The Rose Bowl Parade 3) the Puerto Rican Day Parade, in that order. the importance is purely quantative, based entirely upon attendance figures. subjective attributes are not factored into the calculus.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
were you so drunk you forgot St Paddys parade
From: United States
St Paddy's Day Parade is big, but lags behind the big 3. what the heck are you doing posting from Christiansted? like the name?
From: United States
Solmar: i am a very slow guy, and many things defy my understanding without elucidation. can you help me understand what you posted?
From: United States
Solmar, thank you for clarifying what you meant. as a matter of fact, there is a lot of merit to what you say. have a great day.
From: United States
i mean that you make a lot of sense. i hope you do not ask me to explain what i mean by that.LOL
From: United States
Solmar, i know just what you mean. if you read my postings, you will know that i am not a triumphalist. bragging rights, to me, just mean that you are in dire need for protracted sessions with a mental health professional. all the guys who find extreme solace in having their country be known as the jewel of the hemisphere, or the caribbean, or the world, have childhood issues which are in urgent need of resolution.
From: United States
Ssolmar, are you paying attention, or having a meltdown?
From: United States
if anyone reads this thread , they will be compelled to wonder whether or not you are on some sort of hallucinogen, or simply a drunk looking for a fight. if you cannot understand the gravamen of my comments, you might want to go to some kindergarten and have a child decipher it for you. i have taken the same position that you embrace on this topic, but you seem to think that i am taking an adverse stance. maybe i should refrain from the useage of words longer than one syllable when attempting to converse with a person of your low intellectual visibility.
From: United States
correct, Solmar. i was looking for monosyllabic words which you might understand.
From: United States
not really, solmar. you are just a low grade moron that does not rise to the level of meaningful annoyance
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Puerto Ricans are so used to living on welfare and munching off the USA in an immense
bureaucracy that like Cuba annuls incentives for citizens to initiate new entrepreneurial
starts and instead instill habits in them to live a parasitical life from the state hand outs.
More than a new economic model what they need is a lot of new blood in the form of fresh
immigration and new business starts.
But if you think it' hard to do business in DR it is because you haven't been in Puerto Rico lately.
If the USA ever pulls the plug and cut the umbilical cord that's feeding PR economy then they will have to immigrate to DR and come looking for work here like they did in the 20 TH Century.
Dominicans left for cuba and PR cuz of the Haitian Barbarian invasion... and the many anti-white, anti-catholic, anti-spanish laws the Barbarians passed
Military contributions I grant you, many Puerto Ricans have died serving in the US armed forces,
so have many Dominicans but that's not the point.
Political contributions? PR voters can't vote in US Presidential elections voting rights that continental US citizens have although have in place one of the strongest lobbies in Washington,D.C. a
well greased lobbying machinery only second to the NRA, the Israelis and the sugar monopolies.
But that's not the point either.
If you want to compare PR to DR with all our limitations go ahead but Dominicans are in another class and used to dealing with adversity much better.
We are talking economics here let's not start hitting below the belt, the comment is that Puerto Ricans like it or not can not keep their present standard of living WITHOUT the connection to the US Federal help, and that has created a very dependent society on the US. OK?
"If you want to compare PR to DR with all our limitations go ahead but Dominicans are in another class and used to dealing with adversity much better."
I don't know what class he may be referring to but I do know that Dominicans deal with adversity the same way that Puerto Ricans do, they leave and go to the U.S. It is completely comparable that both flee adversity, not that one group is more adept at dealing with it. The only people that don't flee adversity are the ones who cannot.
Mr. Generoso writes,
"the comment is that Puerto Ricans like it or not cannot keep their present standard of living without the connection to the US federal help...."
Which country in the western hemisphere could keep their standard of living without help from the US government? Could Mexico have survived without NAFTA and the hundreds of thousand jobs created there? How worse would it be in Haiti without US help? Does US support of American Business in DR help?
We are not talking here about US aid we are talking grants, social security benefits, pensions, disability payments, health payments, health insurance, old age pensions, you name it.
Lot's of countries get US help. Few have the sweet Federal benefits that Puerto Ricans have.
What you said about serving in the armed forces is very true, lots of Puerto Ricans have made the army, navy and US air force their career, but this is just because of economic factors of poor available employment options.
As a matter of fact and FYI the federal bail out package for $700 billion that was just approved by
Congress had some heavy pork in it (more than 130 billion additional) and you know who were the beneficiaries? Puerto Rican lobbies.
sure you have your J.Lo and Benicio and all that, and congratulations, but we Dominicans have also contributed a lot to the arts, music, cinema, we have famous designers, doctors, writers, professors, scientists, olympic gold medal winners,
major league baseball players, sportsmen, and on and on and on.
But no way anybody can say that they are so SUPERIOR to the other. That's a bunch of bull.
And considering a PARADE a cultural event, come on brother, spare me!
A friend of mine used to say:
I am the most powerful human in the world.........
But there is nobody less powerful either!
Also you don't have to be ashamed and can come down your big lawyer high steps into the real world and admit that PR is a welfare state. No judgement intended, just a fact.
As a matter of fact I regard Puerto Ricans my brothers, I have a genuine dislike for Puerto Ricans that are ashamed of their nationality and would prefer even not speaking español.
Te deseo lo mejor hermano!
I do not really want to continue the cultural argument, because I assure you sir, you will lose.
What you don't know is that I MAY be a published writer with dominion of not only English but Spanish as well, and have won international awards as such. Being bicultural as well as bilingual
makes a big difference as I do not consider myself superior to a Puerto Rican jibaro or a Haitian
migrant sugar cane worker, we are all humans struggling to make ends meet in a tough and
unjust world.
My last parting words to you is remember when you dish it out expect something nice in return!
QUID PRO QUO!
And probably I do have a bias against Puerto Rican lawyers that have shark skins and firmly believe that they are more intelligent or can pose a better argument than a lay person.
But, your honor, I choose to defend myself and my country. Dominicans in Puerto Rico are mistreated by their Puerto Rican "brothers" and they are treated as lesser citizens and abused. I have witnessed this time and time again. And FYI Ronald Reagan's Caribbean Basin Initiative never worked, because Puerto Rican banks never wanted to let go the US investment monies that was supposed to stimulate new industries in DR and was always bogged down in PR Banks.The last ambassador from the US that we had in DR was actually a PR national that was more interested in PR lobbying and business than working for the US and DR
"But, your honor, I choose to defend myself and my country. Dominicans in Puerto Rico are mistreated by their Puerto Rican "brothers" and they are treated as lesser citizens and abused."
Assuming this is true, is not like what we do to Haitians? Except in PR they do not burn Dominican's houses!
go back into your dark hole this conversation is for major leaguers!
Is that why the Boricua is kicking your gluteus maximus up you neck, Oh learned one?
where I have to admit you had attained residency status much before, josean.
BTW the Tropical Rain forest are not in the tropics ,LOL.
But of course you probably flunked geography.
Oh Learned one, I like that. Keep using it.
Bless.....
Be a man and admit it, he beat the mangu out of you!
BTW I had mangu for breakfast today, but you know what, I like......mofongo better.LOL.
How much are platanos in Nepal?
Deepest Regards,
Your Brother
GC, thank you also, I appreciate your kind words.
"extract shame for my indignity" WOW, those are big legalese words, your honor. Now you don't want to
talk about when the Puerto Ricans migrated to the DR (if it's true or not), or how a big percentage live
mooching on Federal entitlements, or how they use and abuse Dominicans living in Borinquen, or
give me some facts on how the PR banks kept all the federal money that was supposed to finance the Caribbean Basin Incentive and only loaned a few millions to the DR inventing restrictions on the use of those loans so that DR business couldn't use them.
Attacking? I am stating facts if I am wrong then prove me wrong with facts! In no way I am attacking
anyone or being personal. I have the highest respect for Puerto Ricans. Except the ones that pretend not to speak Spanish. (I didn't mean you, your honor).
I rest my case.
You can barter for platanos in Katmandu and exchange them in Freak Street.
I ain't kidding God honest truth! That's how it is called!
I did learn that a lot about CULTURAL achievements: "The Puerto Rican day parade in NYC is the largest CULTURAL event in the entire United States" (your words).
That was the best one!
For the books! I am sending those very wise thoughts to the NY Times for publication.
BTW what kind of lawyer are you? Specializing in cultural law?
Be well, hermano.
Cuba was "the pearl of the Antilles" until the many corrupt governments
and dictators even before Machado and Batista. When Fidel took over Cuba was one of the most corrupt and vice laden island in the Caribbean dominated by the Las Vegas mafia. Castro took over in January 1, 1959 so he has been there for what... almost 50 years, now that's a long time brother.
But to say that "similar feelings toward Cubans due to their historic primacy in the Spanish Antilles" is boasting a bit, much like Cubans. Their relevancy is only because they were the geographical convenient port for the Spanish ships that
were coming with the loot from Mexico and needed to restock for the long voyage.
Now if you judge civilizations by their plastic arts such as sculpture and oil paintings (the Tainos for example were not considered an advanced civilization like the Mayas or Astecs because of the poor definition of their Huacos,
Then I grant you Cubans have made important contributions
Look we are all islanders, and we all have things in common and good and bad things. But I just don't agree on supremacy issues.
The Caribbean nations as a whole are a wonderful, vibrant place to live on his planet. And I know because I have lived and travelled all over the world.
I just hope GC because I am not a young stud like josean any more that I live to see the day when the Castro brothers exit finally from Cuban politics and free elections are conducted there (Basta Ya) and Cuba is free and Puerto Ricans decide to either be independent and forget about Federal monies or become a formal state and emerge from the limbo that they presently live in.
me every hour on Puerto Rican cultural accomplishments and my legal rights!
If they throw josean in then I will get him a nice red wig to wear with some sexy red victoria secret
evening wear so we could party in the evening!
BTW I saw the metro stop today in Maximo Gomez and it looks really sweet. A lot fancier than the Puerto Rican metro, ooopps they don't have one in San Juan! or do they?
I happen to have a large Dominican art collection and it has not appreciated at all in dollar terms.
Unlike the Cuban and Haitian artists that I have made money on.
Dominican artists are grossly overrated and over priced.
Puerto Rican artists, like who? Are they any? Do they paint the coqui? LOL.
Have you been to the Centro Leon in Santiago? The best. First time there I was pleasantly surprised
of the quality of the artworks and the professional way to display artifacts. Best Taino museum in the island.
Bellapart is good also but there are many others in Santo Domingo as well.
There is a big art auction now November 26 that should be of interest organized by Juan Jose Mesa
of Mesa Fine arts, and another one before that by the publisher of ARTES magazine.
I'm pretty sure now that all those people always hating on this site are puertoricans imitating hatians, cause they do it on youtube a lot and have no life.
Puerto Ricans posing as Hatians or Haitians? Now that's something to think about!
I guess the net is full of weirdos, halfwits, mongrels, inbreeders, and bad grammar!
Now is when we need devin11 and the PR cultural police parade.
The Boricua cleaned your Timex and the old cuban fart stabbed you in the back!
Now Rubi, is going to come after you for having Haitian relatives, you can't win my brother, better stay in Nepal!
What Haitian relatives?
You mean Hatian relatives......
The boricua smarty pants lawyer like a good know it all knows when he is beaten by much superior intellect as well as much better CULTURAL haberdasheries, had his feelings hurt and decided not to play anymore.
You either play my way or I will leave the premises.
Cultural parade time I am still laughing on that one.
Who's the old Cuba fart?
In spite of your "superior intellect" the fact is; How would Chauncey say it, The Boricua beat you like a Pin~ata!
You are mistaken, Puerto Rico has a lot more pretty white women than the DR does, that's a natural resource, correct? ( I am going to get beaten by this one).
Also PR has many professionals that have graduated in the best universities in the USA and that's
human capital available.
What they do have to change is their high tax codes and "arbitrios" and make PR a tax free zone for off shore banks like Panama and some British territories.
The big noose that's strangling around PR neck and prosperity is their corrupt and good old boy government that has to be
reformed like Alexander the great cut the Gordian knot when he was asked by the wise men to slowly unravel it.
Are you really such an unnatural son that you would applaud the rapacity of the Puerto Rican banks against this country? If your answer is yes, then shame on you, because you would have sunk to level of a vendepatria or turncoat by my estimation. The fact that you hate Leonel so much doesn't make us deserve to share the brunt of your hatred for him.