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BOSTON.- The arrival of foreign tourists to Dominican Republic fell 3.1% in the third quarter, compared with the same year ago period, the lowest rate in the last 10 years, that averaged 5.5%, said the non-government organization Quisqueya Foundation.

The economists Frank Valenzuela and Héctor Frias, the organization’s president and executive director, said Dominican tourism already shows the first signs of deceleration, since the 24,835 fewer tourists visited the country during the third quarter than the same period last year.

They affirmed that 796,102 foreign tourists came to the country during the third quarter last year, althpugh the figure fell to 771,267 in the same period this year, figures they said were obtained from the Central Bank’s Web site, which keeps track of the tourist visits monthly.

They said the global and U.S. economic crises are to blame for the slide in tourist visits, which has caused a 3.3% decrease in tourists visits from that country during that period.

Valenzuela and Frias said 9,285 fewer U.S. tourists visited the country, going from 279,328 during the third quarter in 2007 to 270,043 in 2008.

They stress that U.S. tourists were 35% of the foreign visitors to the country in the third quarter this year, in additin to being 33.7% during the periods including the third quarter from 2000 to 2007.

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86 comment(s)
Written by: BASTA, 10 Nov 2008 1:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
Told you so. Guess no one wants to use the Metro!
Written by: josean, 10 Nov 2008 2:17 PM
From: United States
Quick let's build another METRO! That will bring them pescky tourist back!
Written by: josean, 10 Nov 2008 2:25 PM
From: United States
Come on Lie-onel stop messing with the exchange rate before you do even more damage to the economy!
Written by: jrichards327, 10 Nov 2008 3:11 PM
From: United States
Not a surprise. The gate fees to fly in to the DR are almost as much as the ticket. I guess I would lower the gate fees and thus the cost of a ticket and just maybe more people would come. Just a thought.
Written by: JD_Dominguez, 10 Nov 2008 3:25 PM
From: United States, Reality Check
Lift the Cuban embargo and impose a tourist boycott on the RD, until the RD Gov can see the light and become 100% sincerely committed to the drug war and eliminate internal corruption.

Also, when the new Secretary of State is appointed ...clean house on the US Embassy staff in Santo Domingo and replace them with a "results oriented team" that will meet the needs of Americans in the Dominican Republic.

juan_de_eeuu@hotmail.com
Written by: JimHarrington This user is banned, 10 Nov 2008 3:31 PM
From: United States
This is an atrticle from 1 week ago in Dominican Today. Now who's lying?

Santo Domingo.– Foreign tourist arrivals in the Dominican Republic increased 3.6 percent during the first nine months of 2008, in contrast to the same period last year.

According to statistics from the tourism sector, 2,729,996 foreign vacationers arrived in the country from January to September 2008.

Experts noted a 1.8-percent rise in the number of tourists from major sending markets, especially Canada, the United States and France. Middle-sized markets such as Belgium, Portugal, Chile and Argentina grew 8.8 percent during the same period.

By countries, the main sending markets were Russia (87.4 percent), Chile (40.4 percent), Argentina (34.9 percent), Brazil (28.7 percent) and Mexico (16.3 percent).

Written by: BASTA, 10 Nov 2008 3:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
Of course all the numbers are up if you are snorting that Bani stuff- approved by lie-onelly
Written by: antonio1, 10 Nov 2008 3:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
Jim, apparently this two stooges did not read the official govt numbers before publishing their study.
Written by: texasshoe, 10 Nov 2008 3:48 PM
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
Jim,

Wasnt there an article about a month ago stating something like "The teflon tourist industry will not be affected by the economic downturn" If I recall correctly it was about 3 days prior to the 500 person layoff in Punta Cana. JEEEZZZZ
Written by: Juansantodomingo, 10 Nov 2008 4:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic
This is a momentary drop. Air Dominicana has just purchased an new plane from Airbus and bring in more tourists than we can handle. This link has a picture of it:

http://www.gringo-times.com/artic....ir-dominicana-buys-new-airbus.php
Written by: josean, 10 Nov 2008 4:52 PM
From: United States
"Dominican Republic 3Q tourist arrivals lowest in 10 years"

2008 Lie-onel Fernandez Presidente
-10
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1998 Lie-onel Fernandez Presidente

What a coincidence!
Written by: JD_Dominguez, 10 Nov 2008 5:00 PM
From: United States, Reality Check
They just report a month or two ago that despite economic downturn that RD tourism was very strong! I may a comment on that article stating it was propaganda.

Now we see that it was a lie.
Written by: anthonyC, 10 Nov 2008 5:01 PM
From: United States
2 days ago:

http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....s-in-Dominican-Republic-increased
Written by: JRRubirosa, 10 Nov 2008 5:05 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
How many Haitians hate DR??????

A lot.........................including many posting in these forums, eventhough I feel repulsive about
current goverment ,few mentally retarded feel happy to pound the country for any dumb news that is covered on this newspaper since They are not Dominicans.

Dominican Republic goverment "Sucks" but the people and the country has nothing to to with this scenario.
Written by: josean, 10 Nov 2008 5:15 PM
From: United States
"Dominican Republic goverment "Sucks" but the people and the country has nothing to to with this scenario."

Rubi Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Finally, you understand that Lie-onel and his band of thieves is neither representative of our great country or our magnificent people. They are just the mob whose turn it is to steal.

Therefore, attacking him and the PLD is not an attack on the country or the people.
Written by: Ricardolito, 10 Nov 2008 6:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
I note that nearly all the writers here are in the USA and probably did not realize that the tourist figures issued by government sources could not be reconciled by simple observations by people living here ..I live in the east and Bavaro , Punta Cana, Bayahibe and la Romana and also in the capital have been more like ghost cities for many months just when the government statistics said tourism had improved.No one likes to see businesses suffer but at least the figures from Quisqueya are more in line with what can be seen by the simple eye.
If , instead of issuing false figures which is no more than another form of corruption, the government had promoted tourism by saying that, in the current economic climate , it is great time to find bargains throughout the country , there could have been a positive spin ..of course this approach is far from new but it works
Finally ; I can find no mention of the charter flights from Russia anywhere except in the DR government release.
Written by: Euromax This user is banned, 10 Nov 2008 7:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bonao, provincia M.N
what ever :)
Written by: antonio1, 10 Nov 2008 9:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
I tried to make a reservation on Expedia for the thanksgiving holiday, the result is "No rooms available on the selected dates". go figure.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 10 Nov 2008 9:15 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Hate, envy and ignorance are the 3 biggest bigotry feelings that have to be erradicate against Dominican Republic or "Quisqueya la bella" in all these forums in Dominican Today.
Written by: ambioriv, 10 Nov 2008 9:30 PM
From: United States
This website would have been great, unfortunately there are way too many haters that have way too much time in their hands.
Written by: ambioriv, 10 Nov 2008 9:38 PM
From: United States
oh i forgot their not even a country
Written by: ambioriv, 10 Nov 2008 9:38 PM
From: United States
And my friends, its not hatians, Hatians could care less about Dominican Republic.

This is Puertoricans doing this to us. They love to annoy the hell out of us cause they know their country is falling apatrt already and there days are over. No more yolas to puerto rico, those yolas are coming back the otther way like they were before.
Written by: josean, 10 Nov 2008 10:55 PM
From: United States
Rubi,

Feels persecuted by hatians

Ambioriv,

Feels persecuted by Puerto Ricans

Aint that some caca!

At what age did you guys stop looking under the bed before you went to sleep and when did you stop wetting your beds if you ever did!

Written by: DominicanChic, 10 Nov 2008 11:31 PM
From: United States, New York
Believe the outside observer - Quisqueya Foundation. I had a bad feeling about the industry when the shark "Felucho" didn't even fight to retain his spot. The credit crunch is also kiiling a lot of people's wallets, and credit cards are used widely to pay for vacations. Believe that tourism is increasing only when the credit crunch is over.
Written by: chillaxin201 This user is banned, 10 Nov 2008 11:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
don't count the Dominican Americans that would come to see family anyway....
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 11 Nov 2008 7:33 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
this is proof that you can use statistics to make any point you wish.....true fuzzy math....these stats actually indicate very little change in the overall trend .....these are gloom and doom painters who have jumped the gun .....although the future is in doubt these are BS stats since tourism has exploded in the last ten years..... 3% down over last years 10% increase who cares at this point only the very beginning of a possible trend......Compare the numbers to 2 years ago you probably still have a sizable increase hardly the reason to stick your head in the oven
Written by: josean, 11 Nov 2008 10:29 AM
From: United States
"There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics."


Lie-onel and the PLD love the statistical ones.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies
Written by: chillaxin201 This user is banned, 11 Nov 2008 4:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
I wounder why no one wants to go on vacation ? And why in hell do they want to make more resorts
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Nov 2008 6:18 PM
From: United States
anyone who believes that the DR will not suffer from the economic downturn does not own a television. gentlemen, you have to watch more programs like CNBC; forget South Park and wrestling for a while. the big problem in the economy is CREDIT. people who cannot put the air fare and hotel room on their Master Card are going to stay home. the next issue is UNCERTAINTY. guys with jobs today are not going to spend 3000 on a vacation, because they could lose their jobs tomorrow. see; Starbucks, closing 700 stores, Circuit City, bankrupt, DHL, out of business domestically, General Motors teerering on the precipice of bankruptcy. trust me, folks, the matter is dire. besides, many Dominicans in the USA are going to stay put this year, because the economy affects them too. i do not know what to make of what GC asserts about the increases of two years ago; plant and equipment in the tourism industry have increased exponentially in the last two years. can you say OVERCAPACITY, or BREAKEVEN?
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 11 Nov 2008 6:23 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
this winter season will not be a disaster.....what follows ?????????
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Nov 2008 6:31 PM
From: United States
where?
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 11 Nov 2008 6:33 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
in the DR this winter will be OK if financial crisis does not start improving in 6 to 8 mos and deepens......that is the rub
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Nov 2008 6:56 PM
From: United States
firstly, GC, no economist i have listened to believes that the crisis will be over in less than 18 months. secondly, most of them believe that it is going to get really bad in a big hurry. today, Goldman Sachs shares were down to their lowest point in the history of the company. General Motors was selling at 3 dollars a share, down from 101 dollars a few years ago. if GM bites the bullet, i do not have to tell you what will happen. American Express calculates the average vacation costs 3995 us dollars. even Thailand, which competes with the DR for a certain sociographic of travellers, is projecting a 10% downturn, with projected layoffs of 60,000 tourism employees. so, i do not see a foundation for optimism, except hope and prayer!!
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 11 Nov 2008 7:08 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I am not optimistic.....this season is basically done ....most reservations were already made and the die hard snow birds will make up the rest.....it is next year that is the great unknown....you will see everyone dropping their pants and great value again in the market " tourism market " that is.... Mexico has devalued and there will be some fare wars and price wars ....hell rob a liquor store get a thousand bucks and come to the Caribbean two for one
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Nov 2008 7:20 PM
From: United States
GC, i do not disagree that there will be bargains aplenty; the entire caribbean will be in a dogfight for the scraps. they will be giving the rooms away, just to keep the doors open. but, the phenomenon of the "staycation" is taking hold; nobody is going to leave the USA with a whole family, spending thousands of dollars, when he can go see Times Square or the Statue of Liberty, which are both experiencing an increase in tourists.
Written by: Ricardolito, 11 Nov 2008 7:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
Dreadlocks it is a pleasure to read your common sense. If the other writers could just come to the DR and do some visual research they would see that the figures issued earlier from the Ministry were impossible to believe and that the independent figures are more in line with what can be seen in the south and the east where I live .. I do not know what December to Easter will be like but I feel that the credit squeeze will cause problems. I have done a little research also on prices at hotels and I can not find any hotel offering discounts over the winter months so either they are brimming with confidence or they prefer empty rooms rather than lower prices
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 11 Nov 2008 8:19 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
believe me the problem will be not enough seats on the airlines ....the people will be willing to come and they will come this winter ...after that my crystal ball is very hazy
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Nov 2008 8:36 PM
From: United States
Ricardolito, thank you for your complimentary remarks. i have friends with businesses on the north coast, and they report to me that they are dying on the vine, because there are no tourists anywhere. it is early yet, but the fact that the tourists have not yet arrived means that they still have the opportunity to cancel their trip plans. Americans and Europeans are very pragmatic people. they do not have the caribbean mentality which says "spend what you have today, and tomorrow will take care of itself". heck, man, if americans are back to the old practice of putting purchases such as christmas shopping on lay-away, i surely do not see them putting 3000 dollars on a credit card, if in fact they have that high a limit, given the realities of banking today. worse yet, i do not see them taking out that amount in cash from their savings account, when they have domestic responsiblities to fret over. get some windex on that crystal ball, GC!
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 11 Nov 2008 8:41 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Dread enjoy Thanksgiving from then on it will pick up ....if the weather turns to shit early we will be beating them off with sticks...I saw a very similar movie in the Carter recession
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Nov 2008 8:52 PM
From: United States
happy thanksgiving to you too, when it comes, GC. the Carter recession was small potatoes, compared to this. you cannot compare them. the first thing is that during Carter, there were very few media outlets, and no internet. people knew things were not pretty, but did not have the daily reinforcement from the media about how bad things were. today, they cannot turn on their TV without some talking head reminding them that they are one step away from the poor house. the Carter era was marked by high interest rates, but there was no general meltdown. this is a horse of a different color. the most important financial determinant is uncertainty, and that is what we have today, in spades.
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Nov 2008 8:54 PM
From: United States
by the way, GC, if the weather turns to shit early, nobody will come. know why? ever heard of costs of home-heating oil?
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 11 Nov 2008 8:58 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
unemployment was almost 7% that is an astounding amount inflation was 20% not small potatoes dread and that lasted 3 years almost.....this winter the numbers will not be that bad by spring or summer maybe....but this season is safe
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Nov 2008 9:09 PM
From: United States
GC, i bought my first house in new york during the Carter administration. i was not working in a big job, neither was my wife. we were paying 16% interest on the mortgage, but at that time a house like that, on long island, cost 60,000 dollars, we were carrying a mortgage of 55,000. today, that house is worth 390,000. i understand fully how people can be defaulting at every turn. besides, i could pick, choose, and refuse jobs. there was very high employment then. inflation was high, but so was employment (high employment usually leads to inflation) it is the unemployment that is the determinant for discretionary spending , such as vacations.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 11 Nov 2008 9:13 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
we will talk in January when you cannot get a seat in the restaurants
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Nov 2008 9:31 PM
From: United States
i hope you are right. i am yet to see that phenomenon in this part of the world, let alone a year like this
Written by: danny00, 12 Nov 2008 4:41 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
well lets see now!..... IM AMERICAN LIVE IN MIAMI...... lets see should i go to the dominican republic this winter?...... hey! its a great island right?...
maybe PUERTO PLATA..... or costombar... the beach is sooooooooooooo beautiful over there NO GARBAGE, always ELEC, MANY THINGS TO DO, LOTS OF MALLS, {PLAZAS] for shopping, no problem to drink the WATER over there, love to EAT RICE AND CHICKEN EVERY DAY, AND I WOULD GUESS I COULD GET TO SEE SOME LYNCHINGS OF SOME HAITIANS.....
no thanks have a GREAT WINTER AND LIFE IN YOUR COUNTRY.....
Written by: anthonyC, 12 Nov 2008 5:12 PM
From: United States
Dread,

You bought a Hosue in the 1970's for $60K and today it is worth $390K?

That is nothing to brag about. Obviously real Estate is not your Forte.

BTW Under Carter it was the only time in which the US had High Interest Rates, High Inflation and High Un-employment.
They called it Stagflation.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 12 Nov 2008 6:01 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dread these are some indicators http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/09/travel/09prac.html?8dpc
Written by: dreadlocks, 12 Nov 2008 8:03 PM
From: United States
anthonyc, you should never hunt what you cannot kill. in other words, stick to things you can manage. you have a formidable knowledge of motorsports; go join a forum for that. economics is not your forte; as a matter of fact, you know less than nothing about it. Stagflation is a combination of a stagnant economy with high inflation. for your edification, during the Carter years, the US economy had robust growth, 3.2% to be exact. compared to Bush the first, that was great, Bush recording 2.1% even the great Ronald Reagan recorded 3.5%. as to employment growth; 2.1% under Reagan, 3.8% under Johnson, 3.1 under Carter. interest rates were high under Carter, but it is the fed that sets interest rates, not the president. so, although i know that you do not allow facts to get in the way, go chew on those numbers!!
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 12 Nov 2008 9:36 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
now I remember under Carter things were booming
Written by: anthonyC, 13 Nov 2008 12:10 AM
From: United States
Dready,

Please spare me the rrevisionist history. I ain't buying.

Carter was the worst president since JFK.

Your real estate deal still was pretty lame.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Nov 2008 7:19 AM
From: United States
firstly, it was not a real estate deal; i bought a home. with the current decline in market prices of homes, it has probably lost 120.000 in value on the open market. under normal circumstances, it would probably be worth close to 500,000 today. i think that is pretty reasonable . there are constraints which prevent assets from going up in value exponentially. as to revisionist history; these are merely numbers compiled by the united states state department. by the way, the great depression was ushered in by Herbert Hoover and his trickle down economics. it was FRD who dragged the country out of the depression with Keynesian fiscal policy. as to borrowing and indebtedness; the national debt increased by 4.3 percent per year under Clinton, 4.8 under Carter, and 10.8% under Reagan. oh, by the way; we are now grappling with alternative energy sources to replace fossil fuels. Jimmy Carter had solar panels powering the White House. the first act of that visionary Ronald Reagan
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Nov 2008 7:27 AM
From: United States
was to take the panels down on his first day in the White House. for people like Anthonyc, who do not understand basic economics; government can ony raise revenue by one of two means; either you raise it from taxation, or by borrowing. so, the republicans give tax breaks to the wealthiset people, destroying the tax base, and make up for the shortfall by borrowing from sovereign wealth funds, destroying the value of the dollar. we have to commend the republicans for the lovely economy we have today. you guys have some balls criticising anybody, given the economy we have today. and, anthonyc, your antipathy toward JFK is obviously occasioned by the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion. well, newsflash; the american people did not elect him to be president of Cuba. get over it. and go take a course in basic economics. your lack of understanding of the issues is glaring, yet you insist on posting your ignorant ideas. and GC, you know me; FACTS AND DATA.
Written by: anthonyC, 13 Nov 2008 8:25 AM
From: United States
Dready,

It is pretty much the consensus that FDR turned the Hoover recession into the great depression with his poilices.

Why do you think that JFK was in Dallas that day?
He was kick starting his re-election campaign because his approval rating was in the gutter.
Lets go over JFK's accomplishments.
Bay of Pigs.
Berlin Wall
Removal of Missles from Turkey under Soviet presure
Vietnam
Lied about Soviet Missle capability.

BTW those Solar Pannels were junk and costing the Taxpayers more money to maintain than it saved.

And your Real Estate Deal was lame.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Nov 2008 9:23 AM
From: United States
anthonyc, for me to discuss the great depression with you is a fool's errand. you have no concept of history and economics, only partisan idiocies. if you believe that FDR policies brought it about, you are beneath conversing with. or you do not know what the great depression was. you need to do some serious reading, as your mind is a vast, undeveloped wasteland. besides, if you can point me to any single family dwelling on Long Island, in a middle class neighborhood, which appreciated in value from 60,000 in 1980, to more than 400,000 today, then be my guest. man, you are clueless!
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Nov 2008 9:53 AM
From: United States
by the way, anthonyc, pretty much the consensus among whom? you and your drinking buddies? if that is the case, can you explain to me why it was Hoover who coined the name for it, The Great Depression? so, i guess for you, 25% unemployment and only 16 states with functioning banks is a "recession". man, you are pathetic. by the way; the stock market crashed in 1929; FDR was inaugurated in 1933 for his first term. maybe 1929 to 1933 was just a "recession"?
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Nov 2008 9:56 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Still happily bickering over here I see
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Nov 2008 10:04 AM
From: United States
GC, they let you into the States? bring me back a peach, please. hey, at least when i fight with you, it is an opinion about facts. with anthony, he does not allow his argument to be contaminated by anything which can be documented.
Written by: josean, 13 Nov 2008 1:07 PM
From: United States
dread,

"with anthony, he does not allow his argument to be contaminated by anything which can be documented."

A priceless gem of a comment!
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Nov 2008 3:41 PM
From: United States
thank you, josean. the guy is monumentally clueless, but does not know it.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Nov 2008 9:43 PM
From: United States
by the way, Josean, did you know that in 1929, after the stock market crashed, Herbert Hoover told the nation that "the economy is fundamentally sound"? sound familiar? apart from the famine of 1930, which started in arkansas, every single aspect of the current situation was duplicated in the great depression; not exactly; actually, today there is free trade every where, while in the 1930s there was the Smoot-Hawley 50% tariff, which destroyed world trade. strangely enough, it was republican ideas that got the country into the depression, and FDR who got the country out of it. where are you, Anthonyc? i am still waiting for you to tell me the name of ONE economist who attributes the depression to Roosevelt!!. and do not give me the name of some guy who went to university with you while you were studying for your "doctorate".
Written by: anthonyC, 13 Nov 2008 9:53 PM
From: United States
You see dready boy.
You are a Liberal. You only read what you want to read.

Your "Blame everyone else" attitude has only ingratiated you with other like minded, jealous types. The clear thinkers are just kicking back and watching me tear you a new one.

Have you ever held a productive job? Not Government..PRODUCTIVE!

Have you ever ran a business?
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Nov 2008 10:25 PM
From: United States
actually, anthonyc, i want to read every opinion on the subject. that is called intellectual objectivity. you asserted that there is "consensus" that FDR caused the depression. which implies that several people are of that opinion. that being the case, it should be easy for you to give me a list of people who constitute this "consensus" of yours. but, as usual, being unable to produce anything of intellectual worth, you begin by deflection and ad hominem. accusing me of not holding a productive job does not change the fact that you are ignorant. for once in your life, be an adult. this is easy. a few names will suffice. actually, anthonyc, none of the economists that i have read on the great depression can be considered "liberal", as you characterise things. if you consider people like Murray Rothbard, Ludwig von Mises, and Milton Friedman "liberals", i should not even be exchanging thoughts with you.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Nov 2008 10:46 PM
From: United States
what is the matter, anthony? ran off to wikipedia, or google, to bone up on your alleged knowledge? dude, this is not something you can learn in one night! you need foundation, and background. it is better to stay plain ignorant than confuse yourself taking on a task you cannot accomplish. as my dear, departed latin teacher used to say "this is too rich for you".
Written by: anthonyC, 14 Nov 2008 12:49 AM
From: United States
Dready,

Sorry I can't be here 24/7 for you but I AM A PRODUCTIVE MEMBER OF SOCIETY.

I provide jobs for people and help fuel our economy. I don't have the Luxury of sucking on the teet of the Government payroll.

Anyway.
Funny how you don't seem to be able to find any sources that support thge Fact that FDR made the depression worse.
It was quite easy with literally dozens of citations available after less than a minute of searching

Here are just a few

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24491435-20261,00.html

http://www.libertyforlife.com/eye-openers/us-the-new-deal.html

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/cliches/depression.html

And here is one of your buddies Ludwig von Mises. he seems to disagree with you .

http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=258

Then there is that Bastion of Conservative Politics UCLA who recently came out with their study that the MSM swept under the rug.

http://newsroom.ucla.
Written by: anthonyC, 14 Nov 2008 12:50 AM
From: United States
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/u....-Depression-5409.aspx?RelNum=5409

Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2008 7:08 AM
From: United States
very slick, anthony, but not good enough to get by me. you asserted that "FDR turned the Hoover recession into the great depression" go back and read your post! now that you have run off to wikipedia and scraped up a few articles, you are trying to do your usual dishonest backpedal. no anthony, that is not what i asked for. give me articles that assert that FDR policies caused the depression. if you can do that, then i stand corrected. since i know that you cannot, i can rest safe in my assertion that you are a know nothing snake oil salesman.
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2008 7:24 AM
From: United States
you are so full of crap it amazes me. you point to an article by Robert Higgs, a fellow at the Mises institute, and attribute the article to Mises. A typical republican, sleight of hand, misinformation trick. anthony, a hurried run to google in search of a few articles is not going to be the answer to your understanding if you have no foundation. Mises would never have made such an asinine remark as you did. He was the master of the Austrian school of economics, which focuses heavily on the Business Cycle. as a matter of fact, he predicted the Great Depression somewhere aroung 1927, two years before the October crash of 1929. you are not peddling your nonsense to someone who does not understand the issues, anthony. save your dishonesty for selling used jalopies to geriatric widows! go read Mises himself, and people like Murray Rothbart, and learn something. stop reading right wing opinion pieces; you will remain stupid.
Written by: anthonyC, 14 Nov 2008 8:12 AM
From: United States
Hey Dreadyboy.

How come you never answered my questions?

Could it be because you have never have been a productive member of the economy?
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2008 8:33 AM
From: United States
i waste precious time when i argue with intellectual peasants like you. first of all , you do not know what the definition of productivity is. i spent thirty plus years in corporate america, working with major firms like United Artists, and many major propery insurance carriers. i know that you do not consider intellectual output as productivity, given the fact that you are bereft of intellect. as a world bank trained economist, i do not need to get my bona fides vindicated by some guy who did not graduate from grade school. yes , GC, anybody can buy something for a dollar, sell it for ten, make a profit and call himself "productive" hell, by your standards, three card monte men are businessmen, too. i notice that , once again, you have changed the subject to ad hominems, realising your dearth of understanding of the subject matter. you are an intellectual peasant, and beneath my attention. get thee to school, and learn something besides misrepresentation, DR anthonyc!!
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2008 8:40 AM
From: United States
spare me the agony of arguing with a jackass who blames FDR for the Great Depression, which was in full swing before he was elected. or a guy who invokes the term "stagflation" to describe an economy which had a 3.8% increase in GDP, in peacetime, i might add. i implore you again; stick to motorsports. this academic stuff is tough sledding. your heart might want to learn, but your brain says "no". you cannot wring blood out of a turnip. you do not have the tools; not everyone does!
Written by: anthonyC, 14 Nov 2008 9:35 AM
From: United States
Your revisionist History is obviously just a lame attempt on you part to justify in your mind the fact your ideas are tired, Outdated and damaging to society. You have never ran a business. You sit in your make believe ivory tower and make claims yet you have no clue how the real world works.

May I suggest some therapy as you obviously have some major self-esteem issues.

Don't worry. The real productive members of society are taking care of everything so go ahead and take your meds. Enjoy your fantasy world where you feel superior because "you care."
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2008 9:59 AM
From: United States
the man with the mind like an arid wasteland speaks his pittance. you keep referring to "the real productive people", but you do not understand the concept of productivity. teachers, and other people who deal in academic dispensations, are productive also. as to feelings of superiority, it is you who keep harping on this topic about yourself being productive, as if you are the only person in the world making money. sorry if it irks you because "i care:. i have a conscience, something foreign to reptiles such as yourself. tell, me , anthonyc, how does the "real world work"? you mean the world of yours, in which exploitation of the weaker people is acceptable? for someone who has no concept of history, you are really silly to describe me as being "revisionist". you are a classice example of a conservative republican; anti-intellectual, selfish, thoughtless, mindless, and loathsome. at least i am smart enough not to expose myself as an ignoramus, something you seem to do on a daily basis
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2008 10:14 AM
From: United States
hey again, anthony contemptible; get used to it; you and your fellow travellers lost . america had had just about enough of you and your miserable ways. you neo conservative cretins were sent out to pasture, where you so roundly belong. so, go sit on the bench and pout like a little schoolgirl. or ask Rush to take you on one of his junkets to the DR. we had enough of you guys ruining the country, yet again. look around you at what the republicans have wrought. you should be ashamed to admit to being one. but then again, you have no shame.
Written by: anthonyC, 14 Nov 2008 11:22 AM
From: United States
Deadyboy,


You just don't get it.
The election.....I won.
Sure,I would have preferred the G.O.P. but I still won.......Deal with it. The "people" lost.
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2008 11:30 AM
From: United States
i always knew that you were not a person. thanks for confirming it.
Written by: anthonyC, 14 Nov 2008 1:50 PM
From: United States
Ahhhh deady......Do I upset your sensibilities? Do I confirm the fact that you are a mindless drone suceptable to empty rhetoric? Are you sad that you realize that your whole life has been spent as a pawn?

Are you getting mad that the call for "Change" means that Washington will still play the same games?

Years after year of cashing a paycheck with nothing tangible accomplished?
Written by: Lautaro, 14 Nov 2008 2:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
AnthonyC, tell me something, are you a Straussian? Because the following quotation sums up your sinister ideas very neatly: "those who are fit to rule are those who realize there is no morality and that there is only one natural right – the right of the superior to rule over the inferior." Sounds familiar?
Written by: anthonyC, 14 Nov 2008 3:38 PM
From: United States
Lautoro,

Nope.
If anything I believe that the Superior have an obligation to care for the week.
Written by: brootto, 14 Nov 2008 4:49 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
you mean for the weak, antonyc it seem to me that you are a republican trickle down economic never work that taking from the poor to give to the rich which is what you support by supporting the right
Written by: brootto, 14 Nov 2008 4:52 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
you mean for the weak, Antonyc it seem to me that you are a republican trickle down economic never work, that's taking from the poor to give to the rich which is what you support by supporting the right
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2008 4:54 PM
From: United States
am i to surmise the you consider yourself among the aforementioned "superior"? here is the deal; the only thing that you could possibly have which would cause you to consider yourself superior, is if you are rich; nothing more, nothing less. but guess what? every third rate rapper in the USA can buy and sell you 10 times before lunch. get a grip; P Diddy, and guys like him, use guys like you to carry their umbrellas. you sure as heck are not intellectually superior, because, from where i assess things, you have the educational wherewithal of a 7th grade dropout. you might try to fool the gullible by saying you have a doctorate, but that does not fly here. you can berely patch two sentences together. so, what is it, then, that makes you superior? because you think so? be careful with those thoughts of yours. one day, you just might think you are sitting on the toilet seat, when , in reality, you are on a church pew. now get lost; you bore me!
Written by: brootto, 14 Nov 2008 5:00 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
He owns a landscaping business and he employees are illegals is that right antonyc?
bet you
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Nov 2008 5:19 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
thats me yes only illegals what I hire ....and when pay day comes around I call INS to come and pick them up.....Keeps the overhead low
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2008 9:04 PM
From: United States
GC, do not give your trade secrets away; anthonyc is degenerate enough as it is. and thank you, brootto; you are probably right on target, since it is part of his belief system that the less fortunate deserve to be exploited and victimised by the more powerful. he sincerely believes that God put superior people, himself included, on earth, to be served by the plebes. the only puzzlement is what makes him exude this air of superiority? clearly it could not be because he thinks he is intelligent, or learned, or cultured!! well, maybe that is his thinking , but people with a brain beg to differ
Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Nov 2008 8:52 AM
From: United States
by the way, anthonyc, i see where you pontificated in a forum article that "liberals have no sense of humor" i know you are never one to answer to facts, but here is my take. the closest thing that conservatives have to a comedian is the repulsive, severely unfunny, Dennis Miller. before he became a rampaging neo-con, he had moments when he could make people laugh. today, he is an absolute snore, and nobody cares about him. on the other hand, i would need a day to list liberal comedians.
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