This is exactly what we need: European Commercial Vassels depleting our fish stock...

dumb as door knobs..cant even get a decent piece of fish in a restaurant and now you want to export it...actually the fish are few and far between so good luck killing the last of them

how much revenue would be produce by fishing what .001 % of dr export to european. give me a break

they are not saying others are coming to fish the dominican waters they are talking about EXPORT from the dom rep..... and dont worry the dominicans have DEPLETED most of the fish already, they keep even the small ones.... kill every thing that swims in the ocean....i know i fished with them for 3 years on the north coast..... and anyway they dont believe in spending money on ICE to keep the fish fresh,..... i have seem them keep fish on the deck of their so called boats... for hours in the very strong SUN.......
capt. danny
key west florida

eat fish in a restaurant in dom rep..... good luck, and i hope you have a good stomach..... lol....
when the elec goes out for hours.... they run and buy ICE for the fish..... lol..... good luck...

just look at the photo in this story..... selling CRABS, AND FISH ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.....
i have seen people doing this all day long in 95 tem....... all day the fish and crabs stay in this heat..... u have to be nuts to EAT them

Those are not Large Mouth Bass, those are CARP (as seen on the Duarte just past Boano). Perhaps they can fool the Europeans and sell Carp as Bass, but they taken from polluted lakes where they flourish. Not for me. Most of fish sold now (in rest. and supermarkets) in the DR is imported from Colombia & CA (Mero, Lora, Lambi, Pargo, Robalo & Capitan). talapia (freshwater) is also imported. There is Cobia production (Farms) in the DR, but that is exported.

i dont know of any one who eats bass,.... salt water yes,,,, and yes in some super markets i did see fish that where im ported..... problem is when fish are frozen not as good as fresh caught..., cobia is a great fish to eat if you cook it the right way we catch them in florida.....

fish exports from the DR to Europe? really?

When the fish stocks are depleted Europe will not help to replenish it. The only fish that should be exported is Talapia, because it is easily farmed without hurting existing fish stocks. Ironically, today it was announced in the Journal Science that Canda's Atlantic Cod will be extinct within 20 years (local extinction defined as less than 0.3% of the species' original biomass).

http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/1125/1

Darwin's Nightmare (Tanzania)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK9v3ioiYBU

There are farmed prawns as well.
S.

Tilapia raised in Fish Farms is ok.

Tilapia released into lakes and rivers is BAD!

One of the great untapped resources in the D.R. is sport fishing. I am not talking about those people who troll around offshore hoping for something to hit their lines,

I am talking inshore.
There is some great inshore fishing in the D.R.
Snook, Tarpon and Bonefish. People pay thousands of Dollars to fish at various fishing resorts for a chance at some of these fish.
I keep some fly fishing equipment in the DR and i always manage to squeeze in some time to fish the flats or the rivers.

Dominican Republic would be exporting fish to some EU countries such as Spain, France and so on?????? What a pack of lies, when there's not even a known Dominican fishing fleet, unless you call those poor fishmen seen on board of those fragile boats (Yolas). with lacks of hygiene condictions, come on, give a break.

Monn son, London UK

It is mostly prawns, tapila grown in fish farms - in London price is 11 pounds for 2kg box of frozen prawns from Thailand. DR prawn fish farms can match this!
S.

"DR prawn fish farms can match this!"

Really? They can?
So you know for a fact that the land in the DR is as cheap as it is in Thailand?
So you know for a fact that the labor is as cheap as it is in Thailand?
So you know that the permits, licenses and Taxes are as low as they are in Thailand?
So you know that the infrastructure in the DR is as good as it is in Thailand?
So you know that the power is as cheap and reliable as it is in Thailand?

You researched this didn't you?
You are not just talking out of your ass like always?

The government can control the price of land as in Thailand, Vietnam. Just issues an order to lease for 30 years or so. Every government requistions land.
Labour is not a big issue in prawn farms.
International price of meal to feed prawns is the same for most countries.
The rest you are just a stupid idiotic crazy man. Any government can control these factors.
S..

abc,

This is just another example of you spouting about something you know nothing about.

Prawn farms are labor intensive. Labor in the DR is higher than that in Thailand.

Feed prices vary from country to country. I know it is hard for you to grasp basic economics but don't you think that feed made in China might be cheaper in Thailand than in the DR?

Oh and BTW. Shrimp?prawn farms casue many ecological problems. Their waste is high in ammonia and conatminates the water. Shrimp farms have disappeared from the US because of this.

anthonyc, you are in rare form today. this is when i like you, when you discuss things you know about. i reluctantly concede that you have extensive knowledge and instincts for the subjects you know. your idea for inland fishing is something i have thought about for years; recreationally. not every tourist wants to be in some brick and mortar monument to boredom. stock a lake with fish, rent rods and reels to tourists, and sell bait, beer , and soda. have a grill handy, in case someone wants to eat their catch at the location. heck, millions of american men take their kids fishing. millions of american men are divorced, and see their kids once every two weeks. what better way to bond than vacations which allow dad and son to sit lakeside, in a far away country, and angle the day away? as to shrimp farming; saltwater shrimp destroy the ecology, and are very difficult to raise. catastrophic die-off can lose you millions of dollars in a day!

But not higher than Australia for example with aquaculture:
http://www.abareconomics.com/interactive/08afs_june/
Also with 70% unemployment in Haiti and probably 30% real unemployment in DR labour can be subsidised in some way for export industries as it is in free trade zones. Vietnam, it can be argued subsidises labour for its export prawn industry.
Main feeds and ingredients for feeds are internaltionally priced in dollars.
http://www.daff.gov.au/__data/ass....e/0018/16821/prawnfeedconsult.pdf
They seem to be able to manange aquaculture pollution in Australia.
Local farmed prawns are good in DR and price is reasonable.
Governments can also assist producers to export - for example Parkistan government pays a proportion of air freight costs for exported mangos. This is why Pakistan mangos are available at a good price in London.
S.

http://www.growfish.com.au/downloads/liprawnfarming.pdf
There is much coastline not attractive to tourists
S.

abc, the problem in the DR with shoreline cages for aquaculture would be praedial larceny.

The paper I give describes system. It is not cage based.
S.

that would make the product easier to steal

recipe for Famous Pollo Dominicano......1st steal a chicken...2nd etc

abc,

Do you ever think things through?
So what if the price is set.....What about shipping?

Every idea you have is with subsidies. So how will the industry be sucessfull if it cannot stand on it's own.
The DR supports shrimp farming through subsidies. What's to stop another country from underctuting the DR? Then what? The DR increases the subsidies?
Where does it stop?

More sport fishing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-s4PSd4nqs
S.

he is a mindless drone who types and spews his rubbish incessantly ....think it out ? with what?

the problem with subsidising the industry is that it restricts market access. with trade agreements such as CAFTA, there are rules restricting the trading of subsidised products.

like always the wanker is talking stupid

Under wto rules if there is no domesitc industry to complain in Say France, England then there can be no anti-dumping claim. If there is preferential access then other countries can complain - e.g. banana dispute.
As you are aware there is a huge literature on subsidies. Subsidies exist in every economy. Thailand for example provides free medical coverage of even its lowest paid workers even though the total tax they pay, direct and indirect, no way covers this cost or other social costs. So when they work proudcing shrimp some cost is met by other sectors of the economy. US is to provide low cost loans to car industry etc. etc.
The efficiency of subsidies is a complex problem. There are costs of keeping people unemployed, for example.
There are few World trade areas that economies compete without subsides. The market never works. India, China release land for industry at no cost. Also 'soft' loans .
S.

Every day people walk through a web of subsidies.
US bails out banks and helps bow and arrow manufacturers by excempting them from paying normal tax.
http://www.learnaboutlaw.com/pork....t-bill-no-tax-on-childrens-arrows
Also controls:
http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/005/Y2684E/y2684e19.htm
S.

Shrimp prices are on the rise again!
http://vietnamtradepoint.com/inde....task=view&id=34&Itemid=11
S.

abc,

Again your childlike debating skills rise to the top.

So what that theUS is doing a bailout? I am 100% against it.
If everybody was playing in traffic does it make it ok for you to play in traffic also?
Didn't anybody ever tell you Just because other people are doing it doesn't make it right?

abc, You have a poor grasp of the world economic picture. So what if Thailand is selling prawns to Europe? That doesn't mean that the same industry will be profitable in the DR.
Besides the factors I have pointed out to you have you evejn considered that the Prawn industry is saturated and that any new source would cause the price to collapse?
If that was to happen who do you think is in a better situation to weather the prace drop?
The thais who have been doing it for years or a start-up like the DR?

BTW The Aquaculture industry is present in the DR. Don't you think that those in the industry know more about the business than you do?

Quite idiotic aC - when the price of bananas dropped DR started producucing 'fairtrade' bananas. Now some UK supermarkets only stock fairtrade bananas. EC argrees also to buy sugar at twice the World price. It is also possible for producers to agree to reduce output. Worldtrade is complex game of strategy and the the more pieces ( e.g. production possibilities ) a country has on the board the more chance the country has of winning in at least a few sectors at a time. For those not afraid of long words it is known as a diversified economy.
If you only produce coffee say, and the coffee market is not good you are snookered.
I was in the international sausage and pork markets for a time and there are complex mathematical models to help in decision makeing, both for hog farmers and processors. Short,medium and long term elasticities are consdidered together with opportunity cost models.
The Chinese government does this for hog production in China. Stochastic LP models

are frequently used.
This paper is about water supply but this type of model is frequently used for economies and economic sectors.
http://cee.engr.ucdavis.edu/facul....d/students/DraperDissertation.pdf
S.

Good planning can change downturns e.g. China's hob production
We formulated guidelines for stimulating hog production and stabilizing market supply of pork products and for promoting sustainable development of the dairy industry, and the downturn in hog production was overturned. Output of meat and aquatic products in 2007 reached 68 million tons and 47.37 million tons respectively.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/chin..../2008-03/21/content_6555676_3.htm
It would be good to see a national aquaculture plan for DR to take advantage of possible increased trade to Europe.
S.
S.

abc,

totally clueless.

GC, is totally clueless of course.
The problem may be that the DR does not have a King with ponds therefore politicians have little interest in aquaculture.
UK and Thai monachy take an interest in aquaculture. This benefits the nations.
Sometiemes the countries co-operate.
http://www.fao.org/docrep/field/003/AB929E/AB929E00.htm
But American invaders must be caught and killed!
http://www.nativefish.org/articles/Japan.php
Research continues on cleaning water.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/6176729.stm
S..

anthonyc, can you cite me an article that says that the prawn industry is saturated? at this point in time? all forecasts for seafood show rising demands at least until 2010 and beyond. ocean pollution, overfishing, and population increases demand more attention to methods of maintaining a steady supply of seafoods. as to the DR aquaculture; i would not consider it to be developed. a bunch of guys with tilapia on sticks outside Bonao does not constitute an industry. i am speaking about an industry with organisation and proper inputs.

I am not saying it is.
I am just pointing out that abc has no grasp of basic supply and demand. he thinks that all it takes is some government subsidies and voila, The DR is the world's supplier of prawns.

The biggest problem with shrimp/Prawn farming is the waste water runoff. Nobody has come up with an economical solution except to farm in backward countries where enviromental laws are lax.

I am a big backer of aquaculture but I am not fooled into believeing it is a pancea that will cure all our food woes.

i agree with you regarding the environmental aspects of shrimp farming, as seen in the far east. however, they are operating with massive facilities, and the scale of the problem is far greater than it would be on the kind of modest scales i envision here. there are problems, yes, but other countries have succeeded in making it work. even in the caribbean, other islands have small scale aquaculture which far outstrips the DR

Of course like China, Vietnam DR can have more price controls to make these products cheaper to produce.
http://www.cattlenetwork.com/content.asp?contentid=191991
S.

Aquaculture is one thing.
Shrimp/Prawn farming is another.

Written by: abc200, 1 Dec 2008 2:10 PM
From: United Kingdom
Of course like China, Vietnam DR can have more price controls to make these products cheaper to produce.

Who need things like Life, Liberty and free Speech when you can have cheap shrimp?

anthonyc, shrimp farming IS aquaculture. raising of any aquatic animal in a controlled environment is aquaculture. shrimp is an aquatic animal.

aC is ......price controls are nothing to do with life, liberty and free speech. Why do you fudge the issue?
UK when developing had many price controls but also life, liberty, free speech. Every nation on earth controls its discount rate and intervenes in exchange rates.
So you should sue your school aC?
The stupid professors do not sa that to fly an aeroplance sensibly you must control the aerolons?
Also the engine power.
It is amazing to meet someone so crazy!
S.

The Michtoms controlled the price of Sief Teddy bears so every child could hae one!
http://www.associatedcontent.com/....bear.html?page=2I=10026&cat=7
They did not sell teddy bear futures! Nice people!
Sue your school!
S.

"Written by: abc200, 1 Dec 2008 8:38 PM
From: United Kingdom
aC is ......price controls are nothing to do with life, liberty and free speech. Why do you fudge the issue?"

I am going to give you a chance to retract that statement. IF you don't then you are the dumbest person I have ever ran across in my life.

"Written by: dreadlocks, 1 Dec 2008 6:51 PM
From: United States
anthonyc, shrimp farming IS aquaculture. raising of any aquatic animal in a controlled environment is aquaculture. shrimp is an aquatic animal."

No sh*t Sherlock.

I was just pointing out that Shrimp/Prawn Farming has a significant problem with waste water that other forms of aquaculture do not have.

then do not state it in such equivocal terms. the way you wrote it leaves any reader to believe that they are two different things. you are a PhD, remember? simple sentences should not give you problems

Dread,

My apologies.
Sometimes I forget that most of you people only had a public school education.

though i am not sure what you mean by 'YOU PEOPLE", it sure beats "you people", who have no education at all.