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Santo Domingo.– The Dominican Republic is no longer interested in becoming a part of CARICOM, according to Federico Cuello Camilo, Dominican ambassador to the European Union (EU). 

"Nobody wants to belong to an institution where they are not wanted. The CARICOM/Dominican Republic agreement has been on the table since 1998 and the implementation record is abysmal. Quite frankly, we can live very well with the mechanisms we have, and whatever we have can be improved on," Cuello told reporters in Brussels.

He stated that the country has no faith in CARICOM's ability to either address pending agreements or to be the implementing authority for the CARIFORUM/EU Economic Partnership Agreement (EPA).

The ambassador, who also served as Lead Negotiator on Investment and Trade in Services for CARIFORUM (CARICOM plus the Dominican Republic) in the recently concluded EPA negotiations, called the conference to publicly present his country's Statement on Matters Related to Institutional Arrangements. 

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Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 9:18 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
" He stated that the country has no faith in CARICOM's ability to either address pending agreements or to be the implementing authority for the CARIFORUM/EU Economic Partnership Agreement (EPA). ".......Now this guy is on the ball this organization as far as the DR is concerned is useless and antagonistic ....Caricom is a bunch of bickering old ladies on an english pension...I await the Dreaded ones response ....Who will of course act as if I had just shot his mother ...Their meeting with the Castro stooges last week shows their irrelevancy...Caricom is an excuse to sample each others salt fish and johnnycakes at their tax payers expense....LOSERS who do not even like each other ....Sorry dread I hope I have not been to harsh
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 9:23 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
No longer interested ? whose dumb idea was it in the first place ....I gotta guess the Hippo ...correct me if I am wrong....these sandbars until they start buying our produce have nothing to offer except jealousy and antagonism
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 9:40 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Good for Federico Cuello Camilo..." "Nobody wants to belong to an institution where they are not wanted," the Ambassador told journalists. He added, "The CARICOM/Dominican Republic agreement has been on the table since 1998 and the implementation record is abysmal. Quite frankly, we can live very well with the mechanisms we have, and whatever we have can be improved on."

Camilo, who also served as Lead Negotiator on Investment and Trade in Services for CARIFORUM (CARICOM plus the Dominican Republic) in the recently concluded EPA negotiations, called the conference to publicly present his country's Statement on Matters Related to Institutional Arrangements.
Written by: Jander, 13 Dec 2008 11:24 AM
From: Dominican Republic
I agree no great advantage here for the DR in general.

Haiti has been in Caricom for some time so there is a good example.

The only country out of this group that has anything worthwhile to offer is T&T and the DR already trades with them.





Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 11:29 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
that is correct....and if we dont need guns and marijuana forget about Jamaica
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 2:55 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I think they are applying the electric wands to dreads chest to try to revive him at this time ....I hope he recovers I would be interested in his response to this subject.....TRY more voltage !
Written by: generoso, 13 Dec 2008 4:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
GC
Hey folks I am back with a vengeance, rumor is just a lot of BS from the mother of
BS mr. goulet globe trotter colonial.
Federico Cuello Camilo is one of our rising stars and a superb negotiator.
He is a tough cookie also. He got canned during Hipoloco I think and then came back.
If he would have been in charge with the US-DR Cafta negotiation instead of poor Mrs. Sonia Guzman (who cried in one session with a tough US negotiator) it would not have been
such a one sided story.
Caricom is useless and for the birds, there are too many other agreements in place already.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 4:55 PM
From: United States
this article was tailor made for GC and the other anti-anglos to have their say. GC, never one to use information, preferring unsubstantiated rants against people he does not like, gives us his predictable sandbar and flunkie nonsense. first of all, let it be known that any trade agreement is just that: an agreement. it is as though some of you readers live on a planet far, far away. the DR is "not wanted", because it will not live up to its agreements. this is nothing new; it may be news to people like GC, but i have known this for years. i do not know how many of you authorities on the subject, like GC, have ever tried to actually take advantage of this agreement. i expect gratuitous idiocies from Goulet, who is a retard who is beyond senile. the other people, well, i expect reason and logic. before people go off half cocked and make their pronouncements, try to do any business with caricom. call your local trade ministry and try getting information. i sent 5 emails to
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 5:05 PM
From: United States
the undersecretary in charge of those affairs over a year ago; she has not responded yet. it appears that some of you have no access to media and information. the world, my friends, is in a severe recessionary state. EVERY market is valuable. to say that countries in your geographic periphery have nothing to offer is asinine. if the DR withdraws from the caricom agreement, do you believe they are going to get preferential treatment with natural gas from trinidad? easy with the chest beating and the "we are better than you, and we do not need you".do not feel that because DR-CAFTA and other agreements are in place, that it is appropriate to blow off neighboring nations, which constitute a MARKET. I expect idiocy from Goulet, as that is his stock in trade. he is an authority on such subjects, but only in his mind. the rest of you guys, do not follow the lead of a blind man.
Written by: generoso, 13 Dec 2008 5:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
dread
you are right about GC being an idiot and infecting us with his blindness. He is just a jester in the cyber court and has no substance.
But I still think that Caricom has never served its purpose among the member nations other than
to increase red tape and paperwork. Bilateral agreements work much better.
I have many real horror stories about Caricom that just make Caribbean trade more difficult to benefit
a few bureaucrats solidly entrenched in their bureaus ruled by antiquated English 19Th century rules and regulations.
Anyway the ambassadors comments are on purpose with a "spin" of soliciting a response of
the turtle like reaction time of the principals involved in the decision making process at Caricom.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 5:39 PM
From: United States
here is the deal, generoso. it is incumbent on all people in a particular geographic region to have liberalised trade relations. last year, the hurricane which hit Jamaica all but destroyed the cement factory. jamaica had to source its cement from the DR. somebody in the DR sold a lot of cement, and somebody in jamaica could keep the building trades going. that is what these things are for. not because you have agreements with a bunch of europeans and north americans means you take a dump on your neighbors. be very careful how you treat the people you meet on your way up; they are the ones you pass on the way down.as to GC, what can i say?
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 5:52 PM
From: United States
furthermore, agreements such as caricom facilitate not only transfers of goods, but also of information. each territory has some comparative advantage over the other, and has developed methodologies which are area specific. the euros cannot always help with, say, agriculture. we are not growing sugar beet here. if a territory has research information which will enhance productivity of some agricultural product, for instance, you do not want it kept a secret from the rest of the area. free trade promotes free transfer of information, methods, and ideas. america and europe are not the only guys who can be useful; they do not have the answers to all things.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 6:16 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Good for Federico Cuello Camilo he says..." "Nobody wants to belong to an institution where they are not wanted," the Ambassador told journalists. He added, "The CARICOM/Dominican Republic agreement has been on the table since 1998 and the implementation record is abysmal. Quite frankly, we can live very well with the mechanisms we have, and whatever we have can be improved on.".......dread quit taking my name in vain Camilo said it not me... I heartily agree with him ...and until they buy our produce who cares...This is what the Putz genoroso says and I quote "Caricom is useless and for the birds, there are too many other agreements in place already." and you start massaging his balls because he takes a whack as well....dread get a grip on your self they are losers who cant even get along with each other
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 6:18 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Facts Facts Facts "
The Barbados Nation carried a report from Brussels which quoted a statement from the Dominican Republic Ambassador to the EU, Federico Cuello Camilo, in which he stated that his country has no faith in CARICOM's ability to either address pending agreements or to be the implementing authority for the CARIFORUM/EU Economic Partnership Agreement (EPA)
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 6:19 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
The four options suggested by the Dominican Republic were to create a brand new institution or to utilise the already existing CARICOM Secretariat, the Caribbean Regional Negotiating Machinery (CRNM), the Caribbean Export Development Agency (CEDA) as the EPA implementing institution.

But as he delivered four options, saying the Dominican Republic was "not married to any of them", Camilo poured cold water on two: that of creating a new institution and that of using the Secretariat. Creating a new institution, he said would cost time, money and resources that none of the countries involved wanted to spend, and the CARICOM Secretariat was just not ready, he concluded.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 6:21 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
stop picking on me dread ....Caricom sux
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 6:23 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
The Dominican Republic first engaged CARICOM in 1982, when it was granted observer status, and in 1992 presented a formal application for membership. Since then, complained Cuello, Suriname, a country which applied after the Dominican Republic has been admitted to the Caribbean club.

In 1998, a Free Trade Agreement between the Dominican Republic and CARICOM was penned, but that too, has yet to be completely implemented.

Yesterday, Cuello was clear to say that his country had moved on.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 6:25 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
"I think the time has passed for us to consider that venue. The reality has changed dramatically since then [1992]. What does it mean to be a member of CARICOM? It's not only trade, it's political co-ordination and a number of other issues that neither CARICOM nor the Dominican Republic is ready for," he said. .....let them play dominoes together
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 6:26 PM
From: United States
he said"nobody wants to be part of something where they are not wanted", or words to that effect. your response is "good for him". have you ever stopped to research why they are not welcome? there are two sides to every story, which is why i do not take your one sided, doctrinaire, emotional approach to things. you are fully aware of the drawbacks of doing business in, and with, this country. the streets are littered with the carcasses of bright businessmen who thought they could do business here, only to have their bones broken by dishonest politicos, bribe takers, and a non existent system of legal protection. why do you think that investors are only interested in jamming down hotels in the ground, and nothing else? because, if the government tries to screw a spanish hotelier out of his money, this country will never see another spanish tourist. you have no such recourse in other forms of business.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 6:32 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
no not words to that effect ...that is what he said....and dont think I dont know both sides dread....caricom is as I said a bunch of old ladies bickering on an english pension....nooooobody needs them
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 6:43 PM
From: United States
you do not know jack. you think you do, and some readers might believe you. but i know better. you are a guy who does not care about reality and facts; you take sides where it is convenient.as far as you are concerned, the fault lies with caricom, because you have a beef with the british caribbean. your assessment has nothing to do with what caused the rift. i happened to have discussed this issue before with the head of a local think tank. he is Dominican, and he assures me that one of the first issues which arose concerned the exportation of citrus to caricom nations.as he tells it, the citrus growers could not get the dominican citrus producers to adhere to the phytosanitary regulations, assuring that any possibe diseases here would not be exported, wiping out their industries. that is just one aspect of the rift. you see, GC, i am not like you; i do not just run off at the mouth for attention. and i do not run to google and wikipedia in the middle of a thread.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 6:46 PM
From: United States
you are entitled to your own opinion, GC, but you are not entitled to your own facts. you believe that because you say it, that makes it so. objectivity is my standard for discussion; bias is yours. and everybody knows it.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Dec 2008 6:58 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Actually GC, the treaty with Caricom was Leonel´s idea, and, from what I see on the trade balance stats between the DR and them, we were actually buying more from them than what we sold to them, and that by a large margin. I think that the govs. decision of quitting the partnership has more to do with our ancestral structural deficiencies more than anything else.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 7:05 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
" GC, i am not like you; i do not just run off at the mouth for attention. and i do not run to google and wikipedia in the middle of a thread."...............you do everytime practically.... I am quite satisfied with the status of Caricom and the DR ....NONE.... because the DR has outgrown it and Castro can have them and he really doesn't want them either .....Caricom got put in their place and I am thrilled hahaha....Vere Bird is spinning in his grave I hope he and the rest of those tinpot prime ministers continue to spin...with few exceptions Eugenia Charles being one they were all crooks
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 7:07 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
lautaro TT would have thrown the balance off considerably ...but as far as the rest we have our own sand ...Their value to The DR is when they start buying our produce instead of Miamis and for that we have to figure out how to get it there
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 7:29 PM
From: United States
you are so transparent. your anger with the caricom countries springs from the fact that the british caribbean islanders did not kiss your ass, and put you in your place. you probably went there with your gringo attitude, thinking that the little darkies would bow and scrape to you, and that the Prime Ministers would shine your shoes. then , they had the gall to express their sovereignty in terms of their relationship with Castro. GC, one thing you have probably understood by now about british caribbean islanders; they do not take crap off gringo. they do not care if you have money; they do not want it, if it means lowering themselves to accepting your indignities. they will not be pushed around by types like you, who see them as quaint little exotic animals, but not fully members of the human family. i guess you were wrong. so, stay mad. they are not going to change, so, my advice to you is to stay away.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 7:38 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dread reverts to dealing the slimy race card off the bottom of the deck ....his usual strategy ...when is feeble argument about the sand bars gets shot full of holes {darkies and bowing and scraping} you should be ashamed
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 7:45 PM
From: United States
slimy race card? it is your mindset which takes me there, GC. you have to have a severe motivation for this extreme disdain you have for the people. they must really rub you wrong, and it has got to be the fact that they did not volunteer to wipe your butt for you, like you think they should have. how dare they have their opinions without your permission? they embraced Castro without your approval. those recalcitrant, obdurate little sandbar monkeys! and, for your edification, i do not run off to wikipedia, ever. i never post on a subject i cannot defend. you have me confused with someone else.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 7:48 PM
From: United States
and, by the way, when you make assertions impugning the character of people, you should be prepared to defend it with substance. you said that all the caricom leaders were "crooks". would you care to name some of them, and elucidate instances of malfeasance? i told you that you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 8:06 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
ha ha ha ha Vere Bird ,Michael Manley,Patrick John Lester Bird Lynden Pindling etc you want me to get writers cramp
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Dec 2008 8:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Could you "enligthen" us as to Manley's case? cuz' from what I have read of the guy he's been highly regarded by the historians of the region.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 8:14 PM
From: United States
you are an idiot, and a shameless liar! in my time in jamaica, i lived on the same avenue as Michael Manley. he lived in a modest 3 bedroom house, with his mother, no,less. he drove a very simple car, and had nothing material to show for the fact that he was the prime minister, and his father was the prime minister before him. you are scum! this really burns me up, that you are low enough to tarnish the memory of one of the true honest politicians i have ever met. the guy ran the country for eight years, and died with very little material goods. i realise you resent his embrace of Castro, but even a depraved human being such as you can muster up some dignity and act with some class. you are LOW!
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 8:15 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
yes lautaro if you are a socialist and he was a giant of Jamaica but like Trudeau and Canada who was also a giant ....they both royally screwed their respective countries
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 8:17 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
settle down dread ...he began the downward spiral of that country in my opinion .....and many others
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 8:18 PM
From: United States
Mr Lautaro, the guy GC is just an unrepentant dirtbag. he just shoots off his mouth, trying to sound important and knowledgeable, and he is an ignoramus. this really pisses me off, to see him come on the board and characterise an absolutely honest man as a crook. i knew Michael Manley well. he loved his women, and his schoolgirls. but he was honest to a fault, and he believed in what he said, even when he was wrong. as i said, GC is slime!
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 8:26 PM
From: United States
your opinion does not count, especially when you know nothing. and i will not settle down, because this incenses me no end. the country was sent on a downward slide by the CIA, who destabilised it because Michael Manley had the gall to demand a renegotiating of the price paid for bauxite. the aluminum companies were paying jamaica the same price per ton for bauxite in 1974 that they were paying in 1951! michael demanded an increase, and the imperialists got mad. then , he wanted to learn from Cuba about building schools and dams, and had to listen to america telling him what to do. it was the USA that flooded trhe country with guns to destabilise the elections, causing it to be so dangerous today. lastly, what is this downward slide of which you speak? you keep making idiot, opinionated remarks, with no root in reality. you said the tourist industry is dead, yet they had over 3 million visitors last year.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 8:28 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
like Trudeau he ruined his country ,,,,,in my opinion ....your so called righteous indignation makes you a phony dread
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Dec 2008 8:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
That doesn't surprise me one bit, dread, cuz' that was the same way that they killed any chance of an economic revival on Haiti, read, the flooding of the country with guns and the demand by the economic guns of the West for it to dismantle the country's agrarian tariffs, which sent many farmers into bankruptcy, and which have let many of them to sell their lands and migrate to the cities or to the DR, which put us on the current migrational dilemma.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 8:32 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
what kind of visitors dread ...they live in total fear to leave their enclaves the violence is so bad...no one is buying second homes there they are afraid ....It is like St Croix with more guns and even lower quality constabulary
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 8:35 PM
From: United States
Mr Lautaro, let me just take the time to outline one of the achievements of the guy GC calls a crook. he created an entity called The National Housing Trust, which some people see as socialist. every employed person pays 5% of his salary to the trust, and the employer matches it with 5%. this means that teachers, and librarians, and firemen, can all go to the trust and get a mortgage, without having to "qualify", like the commercial banks.the repayment is 30% of monthly salary. so, people of modest means are living in beautiful, new homes, which they can afford. if thet is the worst of socialism, give me more. so what if he banned the importation of 8 cylinder cars, to save foreign exchange on the oil imports. the guy was a visionary.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 8:38 PM
From: United States
you are pathetic. you keep braying about the Ritz Carlton; there has been one there for years. so, it is 3 million scared people. they are still going. i have a friend who owns a high end hotel on the north coast, and you can never get a vacancy. by the way, how many foreigners were killed in jamaica last year? run to wiki and google; i am waiting!
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Dec 2008 8:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
I feel that for some people over here a CEO from Wachovia is more of a human being than a fireman I take it.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 8:40 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
a workers paradise lautaro you should move there.....Dread Trudeau was a visionary on a much bigger stage and he was wrong as well.....crook was the wrong category for Manley ....but Jamaica is going nowhere because of him
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 8:42 PM
From: United States
Mr Lautaro, before Michael Manley became Prime Minister, the really bad, tough thugs in jamaica had what was called a "ratchet knife". it was like a primitive switchblade. when you had one (they were illegal), you were a man to be feared. in 4 years, every kid had a revolver. well, there are no gun factories in the caribbean, so it is not hard to figure.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 8:48 PM
From: United States
will you stop making those omnibus remarks like "going nowhere", and explain what you mean? in what respect? because there is a high degree of civil disorder? is Detroit any better? Newark, NJ? besides, the violence is not in the tourist areas. i asked you to tell me how many visitors were killed or maimed in the last five years, but, as usual, you sidestep the questions you do not like
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Dec 2008 8:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
From what I have read about jamaican affairs, dread, that would not be the first time that the US would try to exert their influence on that country. This would start after the 1907 earthquake, when the US tried to force their aid on the country, despite the jamaicans politely refusing it (can't blame them, specially after they saw that this help would not be without having strings attached, as the case of the DR with their Convention of 1906 would show, which put the country's customs squarely on US hands).
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 8:50 PM
From: United States
GC, 10,000 is coming up fast. you should get double credit for some of the crap in this thread. i can hardly believe an adult is writing this bilge!
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 8:51 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Toronto had no gun crime either at that time ...then the Jamaican Posses moved in and Jane and Finch is like the wild west highest crime rate in Canada and mostly Jamaican immigrants thanks to Trudeau the Michael Manley of Canada this was his vision the Landed Immigrant ....now it is to late .....The Jane-Finch community has one of the largest concentrations of criminal gangs of any area in Canada. It also has "one of the highest proportions of youth, sole-supported families, refugees and immigrants, low-income earners and public housing tenants of any community in Toronto” (p.5, A Report of the Jane-Finch Street Involved Youth Issues Coalition, December 2002).
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 8:53 PM
From: United States
Mr Lautaro, i guess that there is the belief that all men are equal, but some are more equal than others. maybe people like GC believe that only certain people should be allowed to own a decent house.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 8:54 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
you are really stung by this Caricom thing ...you must have needed a pill when you saw it...but you try to obscure the fact that the Spanish Antilles will never have anything to do with Caricom sand bars as I have always said.....they have nothing in common except pirates hhahaha...The Spanish Antilles are multiracial and Caricom is black apartheid {we bahn heh} and will never accept outsiders
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 8:59 PM
From: United States
the posses did not move to canada in 1974. they came way later. when you give a youth a gun, to become a political terrorist, what do you think happens after the election? do you think he politely returns it to you? as i say, these guys are what america made them. i was there at the time; you cannot tell me anything about that era. the fact that toughs from jamaica are terrorising everywhere they go is directly attributable to the gun culture america created. remember this always, GC; there are NO GUN FACTORIES IN THE CARIBBEAN!
Written by: generoso, 13 Dec 2008 9:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
GC:
Dread does have some very good points and maybe you should be a little more open minded and
not stick so much to what happened in the past with Manley for example. He did a lot of good things
for Jamaica and some of them took years to germinate and the seeds have sprouted and now people have a totally different view of him versus the early opinions that were so biased by the
cold war and because of the Cuban influence. Jamaica today is a whole new country that it was 20 years ago and going strong. Don't you remember the Beijing Olympics and how they were dominated by Jamaican superstars? There is no luck involved in that but careful and extended
planning over many years, this takes a governmental effort.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 9:01 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
the poor victims those kids
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 9:08 PM
From: United States
I do not mind when you try to be funny. i do not mind when you try to act knowledgeable, and end up being an ignoramus. but to be gratuitously low-down is not dignified. and, you might think you are funny; the consensus on the board is that you are a troll. i am not stung by your caricom remarks. you keep saying that the spanish antilles want nothing to do with caricom. what makes you believe that caricom wants anything to do with them? hell, they formed the agreement without spanish antilles; does that tell you anything? let me assure that the caricom territories will be just fine, thank you. whether the DR, PR, or CUBA choose to join, it will continue to operate. when it becomes redundant, then it will fold.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 9:11 PM
From: United States
generoso, whenever i begin to believe that the country will go to hell, i say that such a fate cannot befall a country in the caribbean that sent a bobsled team to two winter olympics, beating both American sleds!
Written by: generoso, 13 Dec 2008 9:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
What Is A Troll?

The term derives from "trolling", a style of fishing which involves trailing bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The troll posts a message, often in response to an honest question, that is intended to upset, disrupt or simply insult the group.

Usually, it will fail, as the troll rarely bothers to match the tone or style of the group, and usually its ignorance shows.

Why do trolls do it?

I believe that most trolls are sad people, living their lonely lives vicariously through those they see as strong and successful.

Disrupting a stable newsgroup gives the illusion of power, just as for a few, stalking a strong person allows them to think they are strong, too.

For trolls, any response is 'recognition'; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response.

Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 9:13 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
that is correct ...in my opinion and my experience traveling about the caribbean it is worthless ...a bunch of clowns getting together to eat each others salt fish and johnnycakes at their tax payers expense
Written by: generoso, 13 Dec 2008 9:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
.

Trolls, rather surprisingly, dispute this, claiming that it's a game or joke; this merely confirms the diagnosis; how sad do you have to be to find such mind-numbingly trivial timewasting to be funny?

Remember that trolls are cowards; they'll usually post just enough to get an argument going, then sit back and count the responses (Yes, that's what they do!).
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 9:20 PM
From: United States
no , GC, you did not finish the sentence. Caricom will never accept outsiders telling them what to do. when you want to push me around, and give me orders, and sneer at me, and treat me like a second class citizen, wait till i come to your country. it will not allow hordes of europeans buying up the whole place, and setting up neo colonies. the DR will soon take that position; it is just a matter of time. you have to realise that caricom has been there before, with gringo controlling things, and kicking ass. the guys just got sick of them already. it is going to happen here too; just keep reading this board, and see what people are saying.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 9:22 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
speaking of clowns genoroso has decided to join in with some drivel....mojoncito go back to baiting Haitians .....Dread has been conspicuously absent from the Haitian threads since you started posting there ...what say you Dread....no longer care to enter the fray..
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 9:23 PM
From: United States
generoso, that is not a posting; it is a dissertation.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 9:25 PM
From: United States
GC, the only worthless thing is your travelling the caribbean. you have learnt nothing, and are just an opinionated guy with no information. you still have not given me statistics or facts regarding bad outcomes for travellers to jamaica. whats's the matter? google website down?
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 9:28 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dread the DR will never take that position the position of the sand bars is backward and obtuse ...the DR is more multiracial and forward looking as is Puerto Rico and Cuba
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 9:29 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Jamaica it is not a dirty little secret as I said it is like St Croix just bad vibes
Written by: generoso, 13 Dec 2008 9:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
dread
From my limited experience exporting to Antigua and Trinidad sometimes my customers used to ask
me "Why doesn't the DR join Caricom? It will be a lot easier to import from DR and the tariffs would be less or none at all. At the time I thought : Why don't we? and even wrote many newspaper articles
suggesting we become observers until we finally did. Once I met with Donal Reid who at the time was minister of foreign affairs and he had no idea what Caricom was or the possible uses for DR to become a full member or just an observer.
I am not current on what's happening with DR's entry into Caricom but I also agree with Dread that
any little bit to help trade is welcomed.
The ambassador's comment knowing his "no hairs in his tongue" way of being is targeted to solicit a response, but I agree that it should have been delivered in a more diplomatic way that is generally absent in Federico Cuello's delivery.
Anyway GC you can be funny without being insulting you "troll". LOL.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 9:36 PM
From: United States
it has nothing to do with race. it has to do with country. do you believe that black foreigners do not have to mind their manners, just because they are black? you really do not get it. do you really believe that i make a distinction between white assholes and black ones? when some idiot from brooklyn or philly comes to the DR, and makes himself obnoxious, do you think i give him a pass because he is black? the reason why it happens less is that black folks empathise with dominicans to a degree that white people can not. a black american, or a guy from barbados, sees a dominican as a kindred spirit; he is no different, except for geographic happenstance of birth. a caucasian , however hard he tries, can never operate at that level.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 9:36 PM
From: United States
GC just likes to hear himself talk. if these "sandbars" are so backward, why is it that major operations like AOL and others are outsourcing their customer service operations to places like Antigua and St Lucia? this is after considering giants like india, where salaries are less? any answer, GC, or are you planning to duck that too?
Written by: Jander, 13 Dec 2008 10:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Anyways I am glad the "The Dominican Republic is no longer interested in becoming a part of CARICOM"

Caricom nations have not accepted Haiti as their brothers and sisters.

And for the most part they treat Domincans like second class citizens.

They stereotype the ' Santo Domingans' they don't even call them Dominicans as Dominica are the Dominicans in the EC.

Can someone answer this question.

Are Haitians travelling to a Caricom nation treated as "Caricom Nationals' or do they need a visa.

If they need a visa, then whats the advantage?



Written by: Jander, 13 Dec 2008 10:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic
As far as Antigua, and if not for Stanford and the Hadeed's they would be nothing.

Like Dominca with a one lane highway from the Airport to Roseau.

So they didn't sell out to Europeans, they sold out to an American and Syrians.

Oh yeah and Lester bringing in the offshore/online Casino's after Hurricane Luis.

So stuuf those facts in fat one and smoke it.

Yeah Mon

I am a "BALD-HEAD" : a straight person; one without dreadlocks;


Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 10:38 PM
From: United States
and your point is?
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 10:44 PM
From: United States
jander, now that i have asked you that question, let me get back to your post. did anybody say anything about accepting anybody else as "brothers"? would you mind giving us a list of countries that has done the acceptance to which you allude? and, what is your point about bringing in casinos? is that supposed to have some significance? forgive me, but i am perplexed. bear with me, since i neither read nor translate gibberish
Written by: Jander, 13 Dec 2008 11:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The point is moot..

But a great decison by the DR as there is nothing to gain.

Now on the other hand the WI have everything to gain.

It is a matter of opinion and as far as the St. Lucia Barbados they are the exception.

I can't argue with that at all, the attitudes are better and just nicer people in general.

The call center boom and going near shore is more then friendly voices from the Caribbean.

The time zone the travel and the network are the biggest factors.

We tried St. Lucia and still have a contract, but we chose Montana instead and Holdtimes are low and refunds have decreased.. bottom line



Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 11:17 PM
From: United States
President-Elect Obama has just appointed a Haitian-American by the name of Patrick Gaspard as the White house Political Director. FACTS: Haitians (Toussaint Louverture) rescued Dominicans from slavery. The article mentioned that DR spent so much money on Haitian health care. What about what is owed to the Haitians for cheap labor. DR owes the Haitians 100 times more. Write the check and send it to Haitian-American Obama's White House Political Director Patrick Gaspard. The Haitians are strong and proud people. They saved the United States Revolution in 1779 in Savannah, Georgia during the Revolutionary War. Haiti is and will remain forever the FIRST BLACK INDEPENDENT COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. The country that saved the U.S. Revoultion. The country that rescued Dominican Republic from slavery. The country that empowered Simon Bolivar. Let's combine DR and Haiti and call it "HAITI". A lot of Dominicans in NY agree with the idea. Join us. E-mail us at WhyGeorges@gmail.com.
Gracias. Merci
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 11:22 PM
From: United States
Jander, as i said before , i do not speak gibberish, so i am going to have to respond with questions instead of statements. first of all, which point is moot? secondly, you have postulated that the DR has nothing to gain, but the caricom countries do. can you tell me what the caricom countries stand to gain? you have to bear with me, but i am a guy who likes clarification. the rest of the post is just imponderable to me. i have no idea what you are saying. you lost me.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 11:28 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
it looks pretty clear what he said to me dread and yes Barbados and st Lucia the people are nicer and the attitudes are better but they are the exception ...Montserrat Barbuda Antigua on and on is another ambiance
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 11:32 PM
From: United States
lastly, Jander, would you , by any chance, like to tell us what you are paying your reps in Montana, and what you pay in Antigua? there is a little old saying that goes :"you get what you pay for".call centers, which are the sweatshops of the electronic age, pay people in the DR 44 pesos per hour, in certain companies.that is about 1.20 per hour. does Montana state law allow for that kind of wage?
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Dec 2008 11:38 PM
From: United States
who am i to argue with the authority of the caribbean spirit, Gouletcolonial. the man who knows everything about every island, and its leaders. who else is a "crook", GC? you have just about worn everybody out, GC. my message box is full of messages from people who really have a low opinion of your behavior. but, being the consummate arrogant man, it matters not a whit to you that people disapprove of your reprehensible conduct.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 11:59 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dread you and the other guy the charlatan can jerk each other off with messages to each others boxes to your hearts content I dont care ...I have heard your old broken record to many times.....I call em as I see em and I always will ...and a lot of people do not approve of your reprehensible racism
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Dec 2008 7:25 AM
From: United States
if there ever was an **** on this board, it is you. firstly, you are the guy who always starts off with the insults. you probably have no allegiance to anything, or anywhere which is why you respect nothing, or nobody. your tiresome, repetitive, worn out lines about caricom flunkies, sandbars, and the state of the british caribbean is so old, it should be in mothballs. when you become an adult, you will probably see the value in integrity, honor, and decency. you will realise that tarnishing people is a disgraceful thing to do. i am still rankled that you had the gall to trash Michael Manley, a man whose shoes you are not fit to shine. but, as one poster opined, you have made this your board, you piss in every corner, and post on every subject, whether you know anything about it or not(which is usually the case). you have single handedly run off numerous serious posters, and are the cause of most of the food fights, because you are an immature and childish instigator
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Dec 2008 7:30 AM
From: United States
who sets poeple up against each other, then sits back to enjoy the fireworks. the central core of this issue is that you are a counterproductive irritant and disease to any attempt at meaningful discussion, which should be the intent of the board. if unrelieved levity and wisecracks is your aim in view, you are probably at the wrong site. you are not Dominican; as such, you have no God given right to devalue a board called Dominican Today. you should go ruin something like Canada Today, or Cuba Today, or one of the million other countries that breathed a sigh of relief when you left.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 7:54 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I am as Dominican as you and I have more respect for the culture of this island ...you are the outside irritant dread and you know it ...racist outsider and hater of all things culturally of Spanish origin and Catholic origin ...go back to your beloved Caricom with the mongoose dem ...LIAR you started the personal insults on this thread ....you are a liar go and reread it ....IF IF IF you went to Fordham the jesuits should have kicked your @ss out for dishonesty....on this thread you began your usual personal insults you use against all
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Dec 2008 7:55 AM
From: United States
and, GC, since your powers of perception seem to be receding, let me assure you that you cannot equate your posts with generoso's. his posts expressed disagreement and skepticism regarding caricom. at no point did he ramble off into a gratuitous trade of insults against the members of the agreement. that is perfectly legitimate, and i also have my areas of doubt regarding the issue. but, at no time did he use it as an opportunity to vent his spleen and insult the people, as you did, with your predictable little witticisms. you are tiresome, and if anyone is irrelevant, it is you. We are not amused!
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 7:58 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
thats What Queen Victoria said " we are not amused " in your case do you have a rat in your pocket or your mailbox ...drop the subject Caricom sux
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Dec 2008 8:04 AM
From: United States
Goulet, you have no respect for anything , not even yourself. you are just a loser who runs around from pillar to post, looking to find a country wherein people will tolerate you. sadly, that will not occur in your lifetime. my disdain for catholicism and its results have nothing to do with anything; it is not a bias, because i am against all organised religion, and i have said so many times. i have nothing but love and respect for spanish culture, or i would not live in the middle of it. it bewilders me that you have the temerity to assert that i started the insults; you are the guy who opens the posting on every subject. the first three posts on this matter were made by you. it was a full out screed about bickering old ladies, saltfish and johnny cakes, and sandbars. you are the typical gringo, who sees everyone in terms of caricature. i pity you, because there is no way anybody like you could ever benefit from the joys of loyalty
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Dec 2008 8:07 AM
From: United States
and faith. you are a sad, pathetic old rolling stone, gathering no moss, debasing all around you. look at your record, and look at mine here. i have my detractors on this board, but just about everyone wants to see the last of you.
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Dec 2008 8:12 AM
From: United States
yes let's drop the subject, and this is my final observation. do not flatter yourself to think you are as dominican as i am. if you and i walk into a bar in somewhere like Imbert or San Juan de la Maguana, which of us do you think the people would call "gringo" first?
Written by: devin11, 14 Dec 2008 8:13 AM
From: United States, The Greatest City
Come on GC, I'm counting on you to do the right thing by Dred. Cite an example of PM Manley's pilferage, as you did call him a crook or rectract the statement and let's move on. If you do retract the statement, you may have to offer compensatory relief for damages to Dred's computer suffered as a result of his response to your accusation of PM Manley. I could subliminally see sparks and bits of plastics flying out of his keyboard as he was typing.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 8:22 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I already retracted the crook portion of my statement yesterday ...What I said was yes he was a giant to Jamaica like Trudeau was to Canada and in my opinion they both ruined their respective countries
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 8:25 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Written by: gouletcolonial, 13 Dec 2008 9:04 PM
From: Puerto Rico, Isla Culebra Flamingo bay {snorkeling]
genoroso I admitted to him Manley should not have been included with the other chiselers that was my mistake ....I said like Trudeau he was a giant and they both changed their countries for the worse
Written by: generoso, 14 Dec 2008 8:28 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
dreadlocks
Thank you for expressing in such precise, fine and accurate language my feelings and sentiments and the feelings of everyone else on this board that enjoys communicating with honor and respect to others without belittling them or ridiculing them and being a constant source of cynic remarks.
I could not express with such eloquence and clarity what you have said and commend you for your
ability to express the opinions of 99% of posters on this board with such magnificence.
Let's just move on and just ignore the cyber terrorist in our mist, ignoring him is the worse punishment for unrepentant trolls.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 8:33 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Dread was looking for a soapbox to stand on ....he knows of my antipathy to Caricom from an ancient post when I referred to a caricom functionary as a flunky and he went nuclear it was one of his special buttons....he attacked me instead of the DR position which I clearly stated from other source material ...I was the straw man in the argument and does not change how the DR feels About Caricom ...
Written by: devin11, 14 Dec 2008 8:33 AM
From: United States, The Greatest City
I'm glad you did that GC. Dred's a good guy and so are you. I'm sorry the debate wound down to an abject excersize in insults and choler.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 8:34 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Yes most of the time he is
Written by: devin11, 14 Dec 2008 8:52 AM
From: United States, The Greatest City
I myself am very grateful for this site as it affords us all the opportunity to learn and debate about things that we have concern for. It is a great outlet for the exchange of different ideas and points of view. There was a poster named "josean", he was a smart guy who often expressed views that were in the minority and for this he was mercilously ridiculed and insulted. The guy no longer bothers to post on this board and I ask you all, is this board better off without him? If all the dissenting opinions were no longer posted, what would be the benefit of this site? We should all try to keep the personal insults and attacks out of the comments, it devalues the issues and does not entice intellectual and reasoned debate.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 9:00 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
no it is not better off without him...Josean had a consistent point of view and expressed it with humor ...this is the second time josean has taken an extended Hiatus from posting he will return ...it was amusing to see him bicker about Metrolandia
Written by: generoso, 14 Dec 2008 9:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
devin11
I agree with you 100% and I really miss josean alias the "metro man" , he was funny and a good kid. He was constantly brutalized by the troll and sadly took his commentaries elsewhere, our loss.

Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 9:04 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
josean predated the charlatan by years and I knew him well from many humorous exchanges....we had many laffs on many subjects ....the Charlatan is posturing again
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 9:11 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
JOSEAN DATA...* Country: United States
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Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 9:14 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
and this is only since they began keeping track he was around a lot longer than that and pre dates Charlatan by a long long time
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 9:18 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
he will be back before the next election as always
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Dec 2008 9:18 AM
From: United States
actually, i miss him as much as i miss Belial. even if you disagreed with Belial, he educated you. it was then up to you to form your opinion. he did not ask anyone to agree with him, but he always had his facts straight.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 9:21 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I also miss belial Tex and I discussed this ....but he was banished i believe for something more serious ...he did not quit ....I think he was a paid agent ...and was kicked off
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 9:23 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
yes he educated you on communist nomenclature ....just what I needed ...but he could be amusing and erudite at times ..except when he discussed burning Discos with people inside as he did
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Dec 2008 9:27 AM
From: United States
devin, here is my basic disagreement with GC. he never seems to think before he posts. he just gives his opinion, and has nothing to substantiate his claims. so, in the case of Michael Manley, had i not gone thermonuclear, most readers would have taken his word as gospel, believing him to have been a crook. it is only because i knew him very well that i could defend him; most readers did not know him at all. then, he opines that Jamaica is so dangerous that tourists do not want to go there. yey, when you look at the recorded data, it shows that it is the country withone of the lowest incidence of violence AGAINST FOREIGNERS. the country has a lot of violent attacks, but it is in the city, and is basically turf and political, and has nothing to do with foreigners. then, he says that the tourist industry is dead, because nobody is going there anymore. yet the statistics show that over 3 million visited last year. what can i say?
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 9:38 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dread the same can be said for St Croix much is innuendo but to the public it is a reality in their minds ...for someone who is so proud of Jamaicas tourism why do you demean the DR tourism they who are moving away from all inclusive as Jamaica is becoming more and more trapped in it with Cuba
Written by: generoso, 14 Dec 2008 9:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
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Written by: devin11, 14 Dec 2008 9:50 AM
From: United States, The Greatest City
G,
Good job, thanks, let us all agree.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 9:55 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
these rules are in place now and have been applied to various censored parties ie Belial and various Haitian Haters and the intelligent but unbalanced Sang Wong.....
Written by: devin11, 14 Dec 2008 9:58 AM
From: United States, The Greatest City
GC,
These rules may currently be in place but they certainly have not been followed. Let us all agree to follow them more honorably.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 9:59 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
among others
Written by: Trujillo, 14 Dec 2008 10:02 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Caricom, one less. Keep going, there's more useless organizations the DR should not belong to or consider joining.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 10:09 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Much of this talk is political positioning and thought police mischief ....my conservative viewpoints were a lightning rod during the Political season ... Civility and manners were invented to keep the rabble at a distance ...So with all due respect if you do not like it please ignore it ...there are a number of people on this forum who do not feel the same way as these vocal few .....civility is often like beauty...some see it some dont
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 10:10 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
thank you El Jefe.... you are now on dreads hate list...be prepared to be called an idiot and worse
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 10:13 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Devin you are obviously a gentleman ...thank you for posting through the smoke
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Dec 2008 11:10 AM
From: United States
i take certain postings with the proverbial grain of salt they so richly deserve. you see, GC, some guys are doctors, and understand medicine. others, like our friend devin, are legal minds. some are experts in wine and caviar. i am an economist. so, when Trujillo makes a comment like that, unless he is one himself, which i doubt, it is like water running off the back of a duck.
Written by: Trujillo, 14 Dec 2008 11:16 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Dread, I have nothing to prove to you. You can go on with your socialist agenda, but don't try to degrade me. Thank you for thinking about me, I guess, but personally I keep forgeting about you. Seriously, I don't even care about you or your communist views.
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Dec 2008 11:31 AM
From: United States
Trujillo, would you care to name one of my :communist" views? now. think hard about this. i do not want you to get all hurt if you do not like my reply.
Written by: Euromax This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 12:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bonao, provincia M.N
i don't care stfu :D
Written by: Jander, 14 Dec 2008 2:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Need we argue this moot point any longer?

If this is their idea of a great leader then God help them.

'Castro awarded Caribbean Community accolade"

Friday December 12 2008

http://www.antiguasun.com/paper/?....n=504515099112112008&ac=Local

Or just go to
http://www.antiguasun.com
Written by: Kulu55, 14 Dec 2008 6:58 PM
From: United States
I agree. Caricom need to be restructured with regards on the economic situation worldwide.
Haiti is a very good example.
Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Dec 2008 7:43 AM
From: United States
Jander, you are pathetic. because the caricom cuntries recognise the advances made in Cuba, that makes ME a communist? that is not even tortured logic; it is plain idiocy. if you cannot give credit where it is due, then it is useless arguing with you. if you cannot understand that the country is the most literate one in the hemisphere, with precious little resources, and has virtually wiped out aids, among other things, then i cannot help you. it leads the WORLD in that category! to me, that is noteworthy. it is not MOOT, which seems to be your word of the day.
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 15 Dec 2008 2:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Wow a roster of loser posters that are not even Dominicans. Amazing how irrelavent this thread is. While reading i vomited at the point where i read ' Haiti rescuing dominicans from slavery. ' Can someone revive this person from his trance state, he's truly a living vegetable but he don't know it. While you at it mister look up restavek and sober up enjoy.
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 15 Dec 2008 2:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
How illed informed you are about history and present situation typical of a haitian. Read the link and laugh..... http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pol/955554006.html Read this now ill informed Smith George. Link http://www.clavedigital.com/App_P....-machetazo-no-corresponde-al-pais
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 15 Dec 2008 3:20 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
thanks for your kind words archie
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 15 Dec 2008 3:49 PM
From: United States
arkatype,

FACTS: HAITI RESCUED DOMINICAN REPUBLIC FROM SLAVERY-

France came to own the whole island in 1795, when by the Peace of Basel Spain ceded Santo Domingo as a consequence of the French Revolutionary Wars. At the time, slaves led by Haitian Toussaint Louverture in the western part (Haiti) were in revolt against France. In 1801 Toussaint Louverture captured Santo Domingo from the French, thus gaining control of the entire island.

However, Toussaint Louverture's successors, succeeded in expelling the French again from Saint-Domingue. There the Haitian freedom fighters declared the independence of Haiti in 1804.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 15 Dec 2008 4:04 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
where were the Caricom fighters at this time ? eating salt fish and Calaloo with johnnycakes and maubi or out night hunting with the mongoose dem
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 15 Dec 2008 4:06 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
actually off the subject the slave uprising spread through out the islands and was crushed brutally by the European powers where ever it popped up
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 15 Dec 2008 10:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Whysmitty the spanish presence in what is today Dominican Republic remained very strong past 1844 and beyond, you need a history lesson. In 1809 the spanish and criollos claimed and captured the eastern portion of the island. The french were defeated by dominicans, remember that!!!!! Also Dominican Republic was not a slave colony like Haiti, the number of slaves in D.R. was aproximately 30,000 maximum, in Haiti that number was aproximately 500,000. Another thing smarty pants! haitians have been enslaving themselves since Henri Christophe, serfdom was a usual practice ever since. Jean Pierre Boyer used forced labor upon the inhabitants of the island, although he enacted by law the elimination of slavery. The reason why you're talking so much gibberish is because you have a large presence of illegal and children of haitians in the country, as much as 2 million. Most likely that's the audience that's advocating you're beliefs LOL.....
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 15 Dec 2008 10:51 PM
From: United States
arkatype,

unfortunately I have to continue to lecture you. I repeat, Haitians rescued Dominican Republic from slavery twice. What you call Dominican Republic today is what used to be called Spanish Haiti. After Haitian Hero Toussaint Louverure defeated the French and free the entire island from slavery in 1803, there was a pocket of the French remaining in Santo Domingo until 1809. Then the French returned the eastern part to the Spanish. at that time there were Haitians on both sides of the island: Spanish Haiti (East) and French Haiti (West). Most of the Haitians from SPANISH HAITI became integrated and interracially mixed (African + Taino+Spanish). Today we call those Haitians from the East "Dominicans". But in fact they are Haitians. It's a shame that there is such an identity crisis among the so-called "Dominicans". While the Haitians are so proud of their African heritage. 90 percent of the so-called "Dominicans" have Haitian blood running in their veins.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 15 Dec 2008 10:59 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
smitty you would perfect in Barbuda or Montserrat .....please go
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 15 Dec 2008 11:01 PM
From: United States
Arkatype,

Free "Spanish Haiti" (Dominican Republic) and free "French Haiti" are the work of Haitian Heroes Toussaint Louverture and Boyer. The so-called "Dominicans" should be garteful to Haitians. They should celebrate Toussaint and Boyer's birthdays as national holidays.
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 15 Dec 2008 11:10 PM
From: United States

Arkatype,

I have nothing against Dominican Republic. My ex-wife's mother is Dominican. very often we joke about the history of the island of Hispanola. When I am with a Dominican woman, I see the Haitian/African side of me in her. It's just fine. My Domincan friends in the U.S. are more open minded to intellectual discussions. I like to push them to the edge to see their reactions. God Bless the Dominican Republic! God Bless Haiti!
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 12:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Whysmitty dream on! you're analysis is ridiculous at best. So what! who cares what you say or think! Reality is one thing a fable is another. The racial make up of Haiti is 95% pure african, only 5% mulatto very few whites. The Dominican Republic racial make up is about 70% mixed of different backgrounds 17% White and only 11% pure african many being of cocolo and haitian descent also. You add today the 2 million haitians and that constitutes a larger black presence in the country, or about an added 17% or 20% of the population. Again your history is wrong and made up to appease your illusion. Dream On.....
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 3:12 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Here read a real book instead of those comic books that teach you fantasies lies, Whysmitty Link http://www.amazon.com/Haitian-Peo....0313221553/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product
Written by: dreadlocks, 16 Dec 2008 7:43 AM
From: United States
for the DR to say that it does not need Caricom, because it has its european and american brotherhood, is like a man saying he does not need a bicycle, because he already owns a fish. caricom is not the same type of entity as rd-cafta. cafta is a free trade area; it allows for the free movement of goods and services only. you cannot jump on an airliner and end up in miami, even though your government is a signatory to the agreement. caricom is A COMMON MARKET. it allows for freedom of goods and services, and also people. no visa requirements, and people with the proper academic qualifications can apply for a job in any of the member nations. the incorrigible know nothing Gouletcolonial would have you believe that only "sandbars" are interested. he fails to inform the reader that Mexico,Puerto Rico, Colombia, Venezuela, and the Netherlands Antilles have the same observer status that the DR had in the beginning. if your quest in life is to develop into a rampaging ignoramus,
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 7:46 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
they just want to keep an eye on the little trouble makers....they have no use for them either.....Dread its time to take whats left of your marbles and go home
Written by: dreadlocks, 16 Dec 2008 7:46 AM
From: United States
then you are well on your way if you rely on Goulet as your source of information. you will learn the art of deceit, half truth, disinformation, self serving musings, and lies. you will probably end up like him, a man of limited intellectual bandwidth, who believes that it is his duty to jump start every thread, whether or not he understands the subject. as a general rule, he does not!
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 7:49 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Thank you for your kind words dread ..oh Exalted One from Caricom shores I say again " they just want to keep an eye on the little trouble makers....they have no use for them either.....Dread its time to take whats left of your marbles and go home "
Written by: dreadlocks, 16 Dec 2008 7:52 AM
From: United States
at least i have marbles, however few they may be. at times, i post on things which i understand, and state positions which can be intelligently ventilated. you, on the other hand, are just a clueless irritant, giving your "opinion" on just about everything, then being abjectly unable to mount anything more significant than a 10 year old child's analysis. you have lost your marbles, in the event you had any at one stage.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 7:57 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
your getting personal again as usual ...and you and your little band have been thoroughly discredited as lefty whiners ....tonyc perspective is more erudite than your long winded air paragraphs....fiske will be back to play with you soon
Written by: dreadlocks, 16 Dec 2008 8:01 AM
From: United States
getting personal? you are the guy who comes on this board every day trying to bait me by insulting my part of the world, calling the people all manner of names, defaming and libelling people, and being an all-around irritant. if i have been discredited by you, it is a feather in my cap. i would hate to believe that i could be equated with the likes of you.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 8:13 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
your part of the world ? are you kidding dread......Dread defender of Caricom a true patriot ....they dont even like each other dread ..... come come you are being silly....this description is you to a T " calling the people all manner of names, defaming and libelling people,"....get a grip on your self ...admit it ...you cant take your own medicine
Written by: generoso, 16 Dec 2008 8:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
dread
Como estas compadre?
Don't waste your time with the Cuban gusano troll he is not worth it. He is just an out of sync bitter
old man that always resorts to the lowest insults with the cover of the net to irritate others and be a nuisance with nothing to contribute. He will be banned from DT soon enough.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 8:27 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Charlatan spews again ..
Written by: generoso, 16 Dec 2008 8:29 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
dread
you see what did I tell you? DT censor are you watching the thread and making notes?
The troll is up to his usual insulting and lashing out again.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 8:30 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
and flip flops again...his words " Caricom is useless and for the birds, there are too many other agreements in place already."....Now he is trying to suck up to Caricom patriot
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 8:32 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Charlatan
Written by: dreadlocks, 16 Dec 2008 8:39 AM
From: United States
generoso, even though i may not agree with a person such as arkatype, i have to give credit where it is due. the guy knows his area of expertise very well. so, i have no problem reading his efforts when he gets down to serious academic postings. we all learn something, and go away satisfied, even if his viewpoint and editorial slant bothers us, or me. GC, on the other hand, is like a failed stand up comic, seeking attention and adulation with the same tired old lines every day ."nutty hugo", wanker", sandbars, eat till you puke, caricom flunkie. if he had any semblance of originality and wit, he would be useful, to a degree. as he is currently formatted, he is just radiocative.
Written by: generoso, 16 Dec 2008 9:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
dread
radioactive? No at all. Malignant tumor or cancerous is a better description of the troll.
If was so funny watching him while he was walking yesterday with his slanted
skinny legs, sandals and bermudas in the old Santo Domingo colonial section where he lives in a flophouse.
Written by: dreadlocks, 16 Dec 2008 9:05 AM
From: United States
in the immortal words of Judge Joe Brown, "i declare him pitiful"
Written by: generoso, 16 Dec 2008 9:07 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
dread
LOL LOL LOL
You should try your hand at humor more often.LOL. I am crying!
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 9:07 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
thanks for reading my posts dread I hope you dont find them as boring and long winded as I find yours ...why do you always use 50 words when 5 would suffice ....you do not want to become known as a verbose airbag do you ?
Written by: dreadlocks, 16 Dec 2008 9:18 AM
From: United States
here we have a decrepit old man, in the autumn of his years, wheezing whatever little breath he has left in him. instead of trying to leave behind a positive legacy, like promoting harmony among mankind, he wants to be remembered as the instigator of hatred and disdain. well, it angers me, for the mere reason that i do not want dominicans who i have not yet met, viewing me askance, because they read some posting by you which asserts that there is something fundamentally wrong with british caribbean people. maybe you do not want friends and companionship, but those of us who can make friends, want to!
Written by: generoso, 16 Dec 2008 9:32 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
dread
hear hear we are behind you 100% dread.
now go for the kill he is agonizing!
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 9:33 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
they already know you are an Afronazi everyone does ...playing the slimy race card from the bottom of the deck at every opportunity....what strange bedfellows you and Charlatan make
Written by: dreadlocks, 16 Dec 2008 9:36 AM
From: United States
oops..i forgot. from the pantheon of GCs vocab; afronazi, and slimy race card. he gets more refreshing by the minute. anything else new, GC?
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 9:41 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
have to leave for a while and run my empire " the dogs bark the caravan moves on " Keep up the whining with your little buddy charlatan
Written by: generoso, 16 Dec 2008 9:43 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Dread
It's really no contest and an historical event of a world heavyweight champ (you) against a feeble, sick and pale, skinny and bruised, tired old geezer troll with no punch left in his arthritic hands.
It has been a memorable but most unequal exchange.
The winner by unanimous decision is:
Dreadlocks!
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 9:47 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
quit massaging his balls you flunky.....He was down for the count when he arrived on our beloved Hispanic shores his inbred sand bar mentality with him ...which does not necessarily make you a bad person....but quit trying to proselytize that rubbish on the DR an older more sophisticated Hispanic culture
Written by: generoso, 16 Dec 2008 9:50 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. 7, 8, 9, 10.
You are out!
Written by: Ponchero, 16 Dec 2008 10:29 AM
From: China, Shenzhen
About Caricom, theres 2 sides to every story and both parties are probably at fault for these stalled talks. A market is a market, if we make an effort to go to the middle east for business than its problably a good idea to do the same in our neighborhood. Even if I dont agree with somebody on their views I wont go on and start calling them childish names. As is the custom of the "failed stand-up comic" (that was a good one) GC. It really is great to see you put that loser in his place Dread.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 10:31 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Punchy your place has not been dug yet punchy getting even for a past slight.about Manny being Manny.......It is still true what they say about you punchy
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 2:28 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
they say nothing nothing punchy .......they say nothing deafening silence !
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 17 Dec 2008 7:02 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
you are a zero with the edges rubbed off
Written by: dreadlocks, 17 Dec 2008 7:19 AM
From: United States
ponchero, this is not complicated. GC is a miserable, doddering old fool, who sticks robustly to the view that misery should have company. his destiny in life is to leave the world a worse place than he found it. while some of us are trying to promote neighborliness, and harmony, he plants seeds of discord and xenophobia, hoping to strike up enmity and division among people from the same region. it has a lot to do with his slavemaster instincts, wherein he seeks to divide and conquer. besides that, he has roamed the world like a retarded gypsy, and has found no resting place, since his loathsome disposition creates antipathy every where he goes. he is the foulest of men, and, when he takes his deserved place in Hell, Lucifer will be introduced to the full potential of Hades. he might have to place this cruel and miserable creature in solitary confinement.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 17 Dec 2008 7:24 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dread ..good morning...thank you for your kind words....anything change on the Caricom front ? or are they still a bunch of losers like the article states....now you have stooped to massaging punchy....how low can you go
Written by: dreadlocks, 17 Dec 2008 7:37 AM
From: United States
i have no idea of how low i can go. you might assist me by giving me some insight into the possible limits of human worthlessness, since you authored the book.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 17 Dec 2008 7:41 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
wow a short post ...your moto conch must have arrived...
Written by: dreadlocks, 17 Dec 2008 9:11 AM
From: United States
it is the only way to communicate with creatures that have the attention span of the common housefly, along with its other repellent characteristics
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 17 Dec 2008 9:25 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
common housefly, the national bird of Caricom
Written by: Ponchero, 17 Dec 2008 11:04 AM
From: China, Shenzhen
Your an eloquent writer dread, I hope to have your skill with the pen one day.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 17 Dec 2008 11:13 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
punchy does that mean when you grow up you want to be a Narcissistic Afrocentric Socialist ? you should set your goals a little higher....its not to late....soon the charlatan phony genoroso will appear to talk drivel from his rat hole
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 17 Dec 2008 12:06 PM
From: United States
Obama! Aristide! Castro! Chavez! YES, WE CAN!
Written by: generoso, 17 Dec 2008 12:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
WhySmitty
CONTINUE
YES WE CAN EJECT THEM INTO THE TRASH CAN OF HISTORY.
Except Obama of course his rule is yet to be seen, the others I can do without.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 17 Dec 2008 12:13 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
the charlatan arrives in all his slimy ness ....smitty will beat you like an Iraqi prisoner so be careful
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 17 Dec 2008 12:21 PM
From: United States
arkatype,

I urge you to read this book "Insight Guide- The Domincan Republic & Haiti" by Discovey Channel. You seem to be extremely confused. Please read this book. This is the book that the whole world is currently reading. I am just trying to help you. This is the most trusted book on Haiti and DR. You can obtain the book by clicking on the link below:

http://shopping.msn.com/prices/in....ht-guide-dominican-republic-haiti
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 17 Dec 2008 12:45 PM
From: United States
generoso,

Bush feels like begging Castro, aristide and chavez for financial advise as to how to get out of the worlwide mess that Bush has created. Bush is moving toward socialism. Now all the big U.S. corporations are begging the goverment for bailout. Bush is anti-democratic. Bush is a total failure. His approval rating in the U.S. has plunged to 18%. Bus is the worst U.S. president ever. bush falsely claims that he liberated Iraq, when actually the Iraqis are slapping his face with their dirty and smelly shoes. Bush had president aristide kidnapped. When you mess with Aristide, you'll pay the price. VOODOO POWER!

Obama, Titid, Castro, Chavez: YES! WE CAN!
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 17 Dec 2008 1:24 PM
From: United States
generoso,

Obama will soon normalize U.S. relations with Cuba, Iran and the rest of the Middle East. Bush & Co are a bunch of paranoid cats. Haitian-American Patrick Gaspard, who is Obama's White House political Director, is working on the return of Aristie to Haiti.
Written by: generoso, 17 Dec 2008 2:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
WhySmitty
Keep on dreaming about Aristide. He had his chance with all the odds in his favor and blew it.
Instead he behaved like Henri Christophe did and became Emperor-King and drove the country into the ground. He will never get a second (or third) chance to make amends, Aristide is toast and belongs in the trash can of history. Wake up Whysmitty and smell the roses you sound like a smart fellow.
You might be right about Obama but dead wrong with Titid Aristide.
Voo doo power LOL my a.s!
Written by: generoso, 17 Dec 2008 2:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
ok?
Written by: dreadlocks, 17 Dec 2008 11:09 PM
From: United States
Ponchero, i thank you very much for your kind words. now if we could only get the following kind words from GC; GOODBYE! i have decided to quit posting here.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 18 Dec 2008 11:52 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
What a great loss ...the hot air recedes ...go and lick your wounds ...now you know how the DR feels about your sand bar flunkies sitting around eating saltfish and johnnycakes and drinking maubi while listening to " Yellow Bird ".on a hammered out oil drum......they were brought to those islands with the mongoose ...Now try to make the best of it and stop pestering the DR....We dont want your bad attitude ..and Afronazi politics...Do you get the big picture finally....Por Fin
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 18 Dec 2008 5:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Whysmitty that book is not a history book it's a travel guide!!!!! LOL.
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 19 Dec 2008 12:20 AM
From: United States
arkatype,

Most people who visit DR read this book. travel guide or not, the book is telling the truth.
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 19 Dec 2008 9:05 PM
From: United States
arkatype,
Why are you so angry? Just read the following articles by clicking on the links blow. Calm down my friend. Cool it. Haitians use patience and their brains to conquer everything just the way they defeated the Spanish, the English and the French to become the only country in the whole world to emerge from slave revolt. Haitians never lose. VIVA HAITI! VIVA OBAMA! VIVA ARISTIDE!

Just check the following links:

1) http://www.haitiaction.net/News/HIP/12_17_8/12_17_8.html

2) http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/index.cfm/Page/Article/ID/1573

3) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max....vering-a-usplanned-c_b_14750.html
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 21 Dec 2008 7:40 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Hi dread youre still a loser...it is not to late to change your ways
Written by: dreadlocks, 21 Dec 2008 9:08 AM
From: United States
to you, i am a loser because i have succeeded in emancipating my mind, and will not allow 18th century throwbacks like you and TFISKE to dictate to me. you want someone to kiss your butt and shine your shoes, Rubirosa and his ilk are waiting with the brush and polish.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 21 Dec 2008 9:10 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
come to the future ...stop whining with Rev Al and Jesse their days are over also
Written by: dreadlocks, 21 Dec 2008 9:29 AM
From: United States
i know how much you resent Al and Jesse. but, were it not for Al "stirring up trouble", as you relics like to call it, african americans would still probably be unable to walk through places like bensonhurst and howard beach without being lynched. police officers would still be ramming broomsticks up the anus of black folks, and shooting at unarmed vendors 41 times. Al might not be perfect, but what did YOU do to address these inhumanities? send Giuliani a congratulatory card when the cops in the Bronx blew away a 70 year old grandmother with a well placed shotgun blast to the chest? i can just see you cheering them on!
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 21 Dec 2008 10:37 AM
From: United States
dreadlocks,

You are 100% correct. We will always need ppeople like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I consider Jesse and Al as two heroes. They are two of the greatest figures in American history for their work, accomplishment and particularly for making sure that black people have a seat around the table and making sure blacks can walk and live in any neighborhood in the U.S.

Power to Al ! Power to Jesse ! Power to Obama ! Power to Aristide ! Power to Mandela ! Power to Martin Luther King ! Power to Malcom X !
Written by: , 21 Dec 2008 12:12 PM
From:
dread came back for another wack
Written by: dreadlocks, 21 Dec 2008 12:45 PM
From: United States
you see, Smitty, people like Gouletcolonial and TFISKE believe that the only place black people should have at the table is serving the food and clearing the utensils. right, Bwana?
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 21 Dec 2008 1:53 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dread comes back again for another wack he and smitty have declared amistad....get over there and support Smitty on the Haitian question dread..... Haiti is a caricom member obviously...get in there
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