Just looking for a handout...

I hope that we do not follow the bad example of the Puerto Rican coffee growers that abandoned their coffee plantations and condemned PR into being a net coffee importer after producing one of the highest rated coffee's in the world.
Whatever is needed or takes we must preserve our native coffee production not only
for strategic reasons but for our national pride and well being as a country.

Inquisidor,
So true, my Grandfather, Father and Uncles use to grow Coffee near Mano Guayabo in the 20' s 30's up until the late 50's on approx. 60 aches, my Father had the Trade mark "la Tacita" coffee but lost it threw very hard economic times. We must for our National pride help and support our Coffee production and Growers.

"condemned PR into being a net coffee importer after producing one of the highest rated coffee's in the world."

You must drink Foldgers. PR coffee was lesser class.

anthonyC
PR coffee was rated by experts and coffee connoisseurs as in the same class as Jamaican blue mountain.
Do some research before you post such blasphemy.
Foldgers is made from cheap Colombian robusta beans, not even Arabica. You do not know what you are talking about, if I am wrong prove it with facts not empty statements.

poor inquisidor; expecting facts from anthonyc.

anthonyc does not cite facts nor does he provide requests of explanation. He is not interested in discourse, debate or civility. This forum is merely his canvas for expounding all of his farcical graffiti.

Inquisidor,
Puerto Rico was once the world's 4th largest exporter of coffee, Cafe's in Paris, Vienna and Madrid all served PR coffee. The coffee industry contributes $38 million per year to the local economy (3rd. largest agro crop.) and produces 2 million lbs. There are approximately 25 different brands that can be purchased at the farms, local grocers and the internet. Over 75,000 acres of land are dedicated to growing coffee but with a pop. of almost 4 million people and a local average consumption of 30,000,000 lbs. per year it would be numerically impossible for PR not to be a net importer of coffee. The current and future prospects as you have mentioned are bleak, a major problem is that nobody wants to pick the coffee, causing 25% of the harvest to go bad. Principles on the island have considered using prisoners and importing pickers from other countries. You can purchase Yaucono select brands that retail as much as $45 per lb. and still one of the world's best.

maybe they should do what the Blue Mountain coffe growers did; sell the entire harvest to the Japanese, and let them finance the picking.

Mr. dreadlocks
I heard also that Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee growers since they get such a high premium from
their Japanese clients are importing mountain grown Dominican Republic select coffee growers and mixing it with Jamaican and selling it to the Japanese. Just speculating though.

it would not surprise me one bit. the quality of dominican coffee is every bit as good as blue mountain. do not get me wrong; blue mountain is heady stuff. but do not sell dominican coffee short!

Mr. dreadlocks
I like Dominican coffee but as a gourmet coffee drinker Puerto Rican high mountain is unparalleled and a treat to the senses. It's too expensive for my sore pockets nowadays.
All my friends that know good cigars, rum and coffee agree with me.
What is your favorite rum? Besides Barbancourt of course.
I am partial to "Trois Riviere" of Martinique and a brand from Trinidad I believe it was called Angostura but I can't recall the name at present, all of course distilled from sugar cane juice not molasses like most Dominican rums.

Facts?

There has not been one case of the wannbee socialists on this website who have yet to post one verifiable un-bias proof of anything contrary to what I have stated.

PR Coffee blew. It was used mostly for generic blends like Foldgers and Mawwell house.

Mr. anthonyC
I am getting to know posters at this site now. Your reasoning is deficient and anecdotal.
You must be writing from a very secluded and confined space that's not current with reality.

inquisidor, ignore anthonyc; he is just here as an irritant. he knows an awful lot about motorsport, but, beyond that, he is basically clueless. how do you compare blue mountain and PR coffee? i do not drink coffee as a rule, being a tea drinker myself. but the general scuttlebut is that blue mountain is the standard by which coffee is judged. rum is another subject..it is so subjective. i have had some magnificent stuff from central america. if you want a real good rum, try 12 year old Appleton Special Reserve. if you want the closest thing to brandy, albeit a tad sweet, get your hands on a bottle of Coruba. it might be hard to do, since New Zealand buys every bottle it can get its hands on.

inquisity,

Put away the thesaurus. You obviously have no grasp of the English language as anecdotal is what your "facts" have been.

anthonyc, you mean that i was biased when i said that FDR did not cause the Great Depression? well, i join the line of other misguided souls who say he did not.

I have always been fascinated with the cultural and economic power of coffee. The second highest traded commodity in the world. I could not agree more with Mr. Inquisidor to conserve this national patrimony. Although I have tried many of the better coffee offerings, my palate is not sufficiently refined to appreciate the nuances of the better types. Now, cigars, cognac and imported beers are another story.

Dred,
Please count me as among the misguided and fiscally conservative capitalist with pragmatic views that are not always right just because I said so.

Interesting article. Other information on DR coffee:
http://ww.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45089
Perhaps the best idea is for the EU, a big consumer, to switch to 'fairtrade' practices.
EU already buys large quantities of 'fairtrade' bananas. Also quotas of sugar at about twice the World price.
US is lucky in having 'Equal Exchange' a co-op dedicated to fairer trade.
http://www.equalexchange.coop/our-co-op
S.

and, devin, please count me as a guy who is wrong more often than he is right. as to cognac and imported beers, you are free to label me the ultimate philistine. as to capitalism; it is, like socialism, a theory which cannot work, because of people like Bernie Madoff (capitalism), and the Russian oligarchs (communism). you have to be a mental patient to adhere to a theory of production and distribution which is administered by mankind. if the "invisible hand of the market "is the cure all for capitalism, what are the guys from the auto industry doing begging for money? detroit failed because of shortsightedness, greed, and many other things, all occasioned by mankind. the Soviet Union crumbled because it was too corrupt to survive. no thanks; they both suck!

Dred,
I appreciate your point of view but having the two options, I will respectfully take capitalism, every time. And again, my brother, my point of view is not correct just because I think so. I was referring to be counted as one of the misguided souls that thought that FDR was not responsible for the great depression such as yourself. I do enjoy reading your economic philosophies and views, they are very educational and always well thought out. Thanks.

I am surprise no one even mention Haitian Bleu coffee a relatively new specialty or gourmet

http://www.jlhufford.com/detail.asp?product_id=62579

WOW !
I don't know about you guys, but I still enjoy my........
Santo Domingo Coffee from Bani and there World Famous Dulce de Coco, I almost forgot Bani's Mangoes they melt in your Mouth. I grow them on my plot of land in Matanza.
Brugal "Extra Viejo" Rum and Coke.
Then top it off with Caoba Robusto Cigars. They say that were very close in taste to our own Family's Cigar brand Surtana.
Forget about what others say or think, as for me it's Like Heaven on Earth, just set back and enjoy.

You just painted a wonderful picture Mr. Rios.

mrios, cafe santo domingo is a marvel. i do not drink coffee as a rule, but i love it dearly. the mangoes; i cannot say enough. cigars i do not smoke. sadly, you can keep brugal; it would probably be good as paint thinner, but is sure as heck is not something i would drink. Bermudez, on the other hand, is good stuff.

In addition to the special taste aof dominican coffee, the shade coffee plantataions are extremely important as the wintering homes for many species of migratory birds.
reference..Smothsonian Migratory Bird Center, Coffee

"You must drink Foldgers. PR coffee was lesser class."

Hablando sin sabei otra ve'...coño pero e' veida....The coffe produced in and near the town of Yauco had and still maintains a great reputation among coffee drinkers around the world. Yauco coffee beans are sold in gourmet shops here in NYC.

From sweetmarias, a website dedicated to coffee:
"Puertorrican coffee, particularly from the Yauco region, received a premium price all over Europe and by the 1890s represented a standard of excellence in production that many other countries sought to imitate."

http://www.sweetmarias.com/coffee.islands.PR.php

I guess the C stands for "Coffee expert".

anthonyC
You are correct my first language is Spanish, and I do not claim to be an "expert" in the english language, but I do know that you Mr. AnthonyC and your comments are based on "hearsay evidence" or you are basically an anecdotal person.

Dreadlocks,
As one who has been knowed to tilt a bottle or two, Brugal for paint thinner ?? I will admit I'm a simple man, a traditionalist you might say, I'm stuck in my old ways.
I forgot to mention, as far as beer I'll stick with "Presidente" but I'm unable to find that brand in the area where I live, so Mexican beer will have to do, "Tecate" Beer is my Brand and will do just fine.
When I run out Cafe Santo Domingo, to stay in the spirit of the Caribbean the only Coffee I'm able to purchase locally is Cafe "La Llave".
Also once in a Blue moon or when ever possible I'll smoke a Dominican grown Cohiba. I'll leave you with this...About 2 1/2 years my Mother told me to bring her back some spices Black Pepper, Vanilla, Cinnamon etc..etc..Upon my arrival as small gifts and since I had plenty of extras I gave the bottle spices as gifts to friends to make a long story short, I'm always asked to please bring back extras.
ASKING ALL "SUPPORT THE GROWERS"

I have little experience with savoring Jamaican blue mountain, but I can attest to the excellence of Puerto Rican mountain brands. Same with Dominican coffee, Santo Domingo brand is sometimes roasted with corn and some of the more gourmet blends are found in small batches. Mountain grown Dominican is found in Bonao and other cities with access to higher elevations organic coffees.
With rum to my understanding the clearer the rum the better the quality or the taste. And it must be distilled directly from sugar cane juice not molasses as the extraction method is more painstaking and costly. Barbancourt for example "Domaine Reserve or speciale" is a dark rum but outstanding to the palate and similar to cognac. "Trois Riviere" from Martinique is a clear as water rum and best tasted with liquid sugar cane and lime. As far as cigars the Fuente Fuente brand is considered the best of Dominican stogies. And you have to judge wether all the tobacco is from
native soil including the wrapper.

"And you have to judge wether all the tobacco is from native soil including the wrapper."

It's my understanding that there aren't any Dominican "puros" on the market. Has that changed?

mrios, you could never think of sipping Brugal. it is good only for cuba libres. Bermudez is a mellow, lovely rum, which which can be sipped neat, or over rocks.

"It's my understanding that there aren't any Dominican "puros" on the market. Has that changed?"

Most premium brands use "Connecticut shade wrapper" which is mostly manufactured in Ecuador because of the natural cloud cover and Cuban ancestoral seeds for the filler or bunch.The Fuentes cigar family has produced 3 different shade wrappers in the Dominican Republic as well as the first home grown wrapper. The Fuente Opus X was the first Dominican puro ever produced (1995) and is still ever popular even at US$950. for a box of 32.

Dreadlocks,
The other night I had company over and after a nice early Home Cooked Diner, long after we tapped into a old Bootle of "Brugal Extra Viejo" I had left over, needless to say all my Friends loved it. As for the "Blue Mountain Coffee" I'll pick Cafe "Santo Domingo" any day, but I will say this, as one who has drank Coffee all my life no one beats the packaging of the "Blue Mountain Coffee", I mean burlap and all, and they even get to grind it by them selfs, wow !. To those who would take other Peoples advice on richness and taste, There you have it.

mrios, extra viejo and anejo are two different animals. cheese and chalk. i cannot say whether blue mountain is better than santo domingo, as i am not an authority on coffee. rum i understand a bit better, at least well enough to know that carta dorada brugal should be avoided at all costs, unless you have no respect for your stomach.

Devin 11,
Right on target good information, Grandfather only used Dominican wrappings on his Sultana brand which he imported threw an exporter in Santo Domingo into New York and Connecticut in the 30's and 40's, his Puros were also 100% Dominican. As far as Fuentes Cigars, what's nice is their pieced together picture Airline magazine adds, are second to none. After smoking for over 35 years and due to health reasons, I was forced to quit with no regrets.

Devin 11,
For years now rumors have been circulating on the type and brand Clinton used on Monica while in the White House, could have been a "Fuentes Opus X" ???? After all Bill does love a good Cigar now and then.

Mr. Rios,
Have you ever seen a picture of Ms. Monica Lewinsky? I doubt that a cigar aficionado such as President Clinton would have wasted such a fine cigar on such an unsightly vessel. Perhaps a machine made Backwoods or Dutch Masters was used but none better.

devin; "such an unsightly vessel"? can i borrow that turn of phrase, please?

Why not Dread, I've been borrowing your positions and points of view without permission, in private settings, since I read your first post.

be careful , devin. i have to go outside soon, and it is necessary that my head should be smaller than the doorway.

I also forgot to mention smokers on the South / West of the United States will believe in anything even Santa Claus, take all the Tobacco / Cigar Shops on Ventura Blvd. in Encino, California are a classic example, a large % of their Cigars are cardboard boxed over priced JUNK Tobacco , what we call 50 cent Cigars with Fancy relabeled names and sold up to 20 times the original price to People with big bucks and names to boot, middle East Folks eat this sh** up. What I think is neat about the Fuentes is......The Father & Son combo all dressed in white with big mustaches in a make belief private Tobacco Valley Farm some where in the mountains near La Vega, with generations of tobacco growers being pasted / handed off to the next generation. Boy am I glad I quit.....My Grandfather must be flipping in his grave in Santo Domingo.
I apologize I'm sorry for over reacting, I must of lost my F in mind...If found, please return......

well so many experts and so much disinformation....Dread do you remember when all bottles of Tia Maria used to state on the label that it was made from blue mountain coffee ? it was an incredible marketing gimmick for blue mountain coffee in the 60s and 70s the era of James Bond and the beginning of branding in Media...he originally drank Bollinger until Moet paid Ian Fleming to switch...Back to coffee Brazil not Colombia produces most of the Robusta coffee and Puerto Rican coffee has always been coveted in Japan ...I have a friend who imports DR coffee to PR and sell it as Sams Clubs house PR blend to Wal Mart...If all the coffe marketed as Blue Moutain or Kona etc was authentic I would be surprised....Everybody in the world started growing coffee in the 80s when for two years in a row Brazils crop collapsed ...their is a glut the only way to make a buck is price supports and specialty coffees ....the Worlds largest customer for coffee ?....Starbucks........Stay tuned

Cigars ...Connecticut shade is grown only in .Connecticut and is pretty much controlled by very few companies ...the Ecuadorean type of shade tobacco is less expensive and more veined and not as pliable as the real mcoy....when I was in the business real shade was 57 a pound if you could find it out the back door of very few brokers or manufacturers.... The stuff from Ecuador was considerably less in Miami...Someone mentioned the Dominican Cohiba if you are referring to the one with the red dot that is the American Cohiba and technically not allowed to be sold in the DR. ...the Dominican Cohiba Trade Mark is owned by a Spanish/Dominican gentleman who won that batlle against the American holders of the Trade mark and the Cuban Government in court ....He beat them both like a drum...The Dominican Cohiba is manufactured by the same company that makes the Caoba cigar and you will find them both at the Boutique Del Fumidor on Parque Colon.it has been there since before the cigar boom began

the Fuentes are examples of two time losers third time is the charm.After havin had their business and lands confiscated by the Castros in the workers paradise the Fuentes moved what little they had left to Nicaragua fighting adversity and with hard work re established their good name and quality only to have Danny the Diddler and his communist goons run them out of Nicaragua....On to the DR and again have risen to the top by hard work and fair labour practices .The opus X is a tremendous marketing success helped along by Cigar Aficionado a self serving commercial rag with little integrity Opus X at Chateau Fuente is an experiment to grow high quality wrapper tobacco in the DR....Leon Jimenez also has a small project doing the same....but the Cubans would still be using .Connecticut as wrapper if they could get any.... Cigars prior to being called Havanas were called Sevillas because that was the center of the cigar world for a couple of centuries....Remember Carmen the cigar roller

all aged rums are a delight to the senses and a sacrilege to use coke on....Those of us who enjoy sipping strong spirit realize what a huge marketing hoax the French have perpetrated on us by convincing us their insipid Cognac brandy is worth that Dumb@ss price...aged rum has many more layers of complexity is finally being discovered ....incidentally the French know how to sell they started the aged rum awareness also with the marketing Barbancourt and the Martinique rums....those of us who know better try to avoid the the wave of fancy bottles scam ....you know when Tequila comes in Crystal bottles it has sucker written all over it....as dread says " when you drink Tequilla you are punishing yourself so drink the cheapest one available and be punished properly "

one last fact ....What country produces the most Cigars in the world ?

answer ....Holland ....those little machine made cigars are still cigars

GC, have you ever tried Coruba rum?

no I cant say as i Have .... but i truly love to drink strait old rums...barrel aged that is glass does nothing for booze

it is a rum which tastes like cognac; made for sipping. never add coke, or any other chaser. it is hard to come by, since the new zealanders buy it all.

dread I used to be enamored to the marketing ploys of Remy and Moet Hennesy but after armagnacs Eaux De Vies and Grappas and especially aged Rums Cognac brandy in my opinion is an insipid beverage sold as a rare libation by the French when in reality it could be massed produced in lakes of the stuff .VSOP requires only parts be a minimum of 5 years old that is the oldest required the VS is aged in the delivery trucks....The world market caught them in their little scam an single malts have now surpassed the high end VSOP and above cognacs ...the Japonese are not stupid and they drove the high end market the french tried to make pigs of themselves and now they can drown in it ...it suxed anyway...even the high end Spanish stuff is more interesting Duque de Alba and Cardenal Mendoza etc ...yes more carmelized but more interesting ...in Jerez where they make it they would hardly drink it ...the brandy that is

Thanx for thw info Devin..I remember reading about the Fuentes' attempt to produce a Dominican puro a few years back...I guess they've succeeeded.

I hope you did not read it in Cigar Aficianado ciby....all Dominican cigars are Dominican Puros the only thing not Dominican has been the wrapper ..;.which was traditionally Connecticut shade or Cameroon style....There were many Jibaro cigars made with Dominican Wrapper prior to the marketing triumph of Opus X

"all Dominican cigars are Dominican Puros the only thing not Dominican has been the wrapper ."

Then it's not a puro. For it to legitimately be called a Dominican puro all parts of the cigar must be from locally grown tobacco. And it actually was cigar aficionado...probally from some 6 or 7 years back.

Puro Smuro ciby I was there at the birth of that rag it did a lot for the cigar industry ...but inside the business it is a laughing stock ...not in front of fat Marven the wine shyster and publisher of Wine Spectator another pay to play publication he owns besides Aficianado....Puro is just another word for Cigar just a Havana or before that a Sevilla ....To Shakens credit he recognized a sales opportunity and the rest is history .....Castro interview and cover photo and....Presto.. the suckers want to smoke the illegal weed

also ciby I was in the cigar business before the boom and after the bust

"also ciby I was in the cigar business before the boom and after the bust"

I'm not negating any knowledge you might have on the subject. It's been my understanding, though, that a cigar can only be called a puro if all its parts come from a specific country. For example, if the wrapper and filler are both from Nicaragua then that would be a Nicaraguan "puro". Correct me if I'm wrong.

ciby the desire for people to become aware of all the nomenclature in things like wine and cigars and those kinds of gentlemanly pursuits is only normal .Having been both a wine peddler and a cigar peddler and a caviar peddler I pride myself on having studied those subjects in some detail from a professional stand point.Having said that I was also formerly pack a day cigarette smoker so I have nothing good to say about Tobacco of any kind since it ruined my health..Incidentally do not buy into smoking cigars is not as bad as cigarettes If you only saw the fumigation of the cigar tobacco througout a cigars life you would not smoke them .I am talking the same stuff they use on houses when they put the tent over them and you cant go inside for a week.This happens throughout the cigars life even after it is made and aging to prevent those little bugs from eating everything.so if you dont think there is anything residual left on those cigars when you light them ?say hello to Santa for me

GC, i never fail to be impressed when you bring your full arsenal of information to matters such as these. hint, hint.

sorry ciby I digressed ...A puro is just another word for cigar....the most expensive part by far is the wrapper ....all the glamour and buzz is in the wrapper ....I have visited the Fuentes in Santiago your pueblo on a couple of occasions ...The Fuentes are good people and excellent Corporate citizens ...I have also been in the special room where they roll the Opus X TV cameras for security and all ...I have always felt they were a little embarrassed by all the attention given Opus X as the demand was insane and created hard feeling with some of their distributors...for the publicity they owe shanken a thankyou ...but they also buy a ton of advertising....Quid Pro Quo

MR. Goulet
You said: "well so many experts and so much disinformation..."
Well that is a pretty pompous and egocentric comment coming from somebody who labels himself a wine and tobacco peddler, which to me "peddler" sounds like just an ordinary salesman working for someone else. My friend FYI I do not consider myself the ultimate expert in coffee, cigars and rum,
but for somebody that has made quite a good living buying the above commodities in quantity and having distributors all over Europe, Canada, Brasil and the USA and even selling my own brand of cigars and having exclusive marketing arrangements with coffee producers as well as being a professional coffee buyer, I think that I might have a "little" knowledge on the subject.
Your knowledge is superficial and very bias and unwarranted criticism offensive. Marvin Shaken is a hustler and will bend for an expensive ad but that does not deter from the fact that he has helped tremendously the gourmet cigar and wine business.

I was in the fine wine business for 30 years I use the word peddler so as not to sound pompous I was also in cigar manufacture sales exporting arranging exclusive contracts etc. ...I have also known shyster shanken probably much much longer than yourself....Coffee I have always had a great interest having lived in Colombia in the early 70s but my knowledge is strong but non professional...Wine however I would consider myself a professional and very knowledgeable but always willing to learn more ...but usually I am the one doing the seminars ...Tobacco does not approach the level of class and distinction that the wine trade does...one only need attend the RTDA convention versus Vinexpo to see the class distinction....to call my knowledge superficial is laughable and your knowledge of how Wine Spectator and Cigar Aficionado work in their pay to play methods really is laughable

inquisling Wine Caviar and Tobacco yes my knowledge would be considered professional ...I am no longer involved in any of them ....Tobacco had the least amount of class in terms of the people involved you have reaffirmed that to me ...I would love to know the name of your Cigar say it if you dare...did Marven give it a high score good for you ...the suckers will buy it ...

let's get ready to RRRRUUMMMMMBBLLLE

MR.gouletcolonial
No you might not, so I guess I don't dare reveal my cigars brand name to such a "class act" as yourself blabbermouth. Anyway it is irrelevant to our discussion.
By the way what do you know about rum? All I read are sharp criticisms about the French but nothing illuminating from you other than ancient knowledge that you can read in any magazine.
BTW if I remember correctly Barbancourt rum is owned by the french Gardere family that resides in Paris.
Calling the Fuentes family "two time losers" is another quotable remark by a moron who is obviously
quick on the draw to condemn a hard working and industrious Cuban refugee family that has worked hard all their life to get where they are at now.
By the way I understand that they did bring their Cuban tobacco seedling s to DR from Vuelta Abajo, Cuba if you know cigars you know about that place, Mr. know it all.

and RRRRUUUMMBBBBBLLE they shall!!

Mr Dreadlocks
I usually don't lock horns with idiots in a public media such as this, but after I read an extremely irritated remark in his comments that began "well so many experts and so much disinformation...."
as he was the "anointed one" to dispense his holier than thou misinformation on us ignorant folks and having him dispense his precious worldly knowledge,
ramblings and out dated dissertations on his experience selling cheap wines to "uncultured" folks like us Caribbean residents. Oh my.

Inquisidor,
Now now ! that wasn't nice, come on it's the Holidays what are people gonna think. Gualetcolonial, I'm sure he didn't mean that, your input was top notch and most informative, besides he probably lost his mind, I have also done so in the past.

dumb@ss two time losers of their business to the commies you know nothing schmuck .I met Marcel Clement of Clement Rhums of Martinique in1980 he introduced me to these aged rums of sipping.I had known of Barbancourt Rums through the owners of Monsieur Henri imports also the original importers of Stoli a long time ago .However during those years I had acquired a taste for Eaux de Vies and pure grappas "have mercy" from Nonino that use only juice also armagnacs that have more interesting flavours than the great scam " COGNAC .you see I lived in Jerez de la Frontera for four years where they make sherry and Spains most esteemed Brandies of which very few prople in Jerez drink ' El vino por beber el conac por vender " brandy is still called conac if you drink the stuff in Spain.....incidentally the Caribbean has some great wine lists throughout the Caribbean very few in the DR but Walter at deli suisse makes a noble effort..In days past I was responsible for helping construct many of them

Inquisidor let us here your bullshit credentials....there will be test fool...Flogging cigars hardly qualifies as up market...every hustler in the world had there own brand in the 90s

every hustler, GC? was there a Bernie Madoff Robusto?

you got that right dread ...that was the golden era of the gringo cheeseball cigar factory owner or brand or private label it was insane ....people stealing rollers ....horrible cigars of low craftsmanship and then the Bust the number of cigar magazines cigar factories and brands collapsed overnight...the Majors just waited built up their inventories and then squeezed out the fly by nights...but a lot of money was made and lost

the Dominican Republic is fortunate to have the Fuentes as corporate citizens as I said before,.....I also have purchased Ecuadorean Shade tobacco and Connecticut shade tobacco in the 90s from the Perez family in Miami when it was very hard to come by ....so now tell me you schmuck if I dont know what I am talking about...I also know which side of the Caspian sea is deep and which side is shallow and that is important to a Sturgeon and I have been hammered in many of the greatest cellars in Europe and I wont even mention Napa Sonoma etc....out dated info yes the tobacco info I could care less it is a filthy product and I have been retired for 8 years

Inquisidor
Very funny.LOL. And welcome to DT.
I know Walter the fat Swiss chef since when he had a place in Boca Chica and he is an excellent cook and
very knowledgeable about spirits.
Once I met the famous Las vegas entertainers that used to have lions in their shows dining at his beachfront restaurant in Guayacanes, and they were regulars when they came to visit DR.
Walter is an icon as a cook and has excellent food for DR.
Anyway I had a PR friend that had his own brand labeled in La Romana and Santiago named Mariano Doble and his brand was "Don Mariano", did you ever hear of him?

MR generoso
Yes I knew Mariano Doble and his wife Niurca. He had a small cigar business and sold mainly to Puerto Rican customers. He had a inexpensive blend that was not very highly rated if at all.
Sadly I heard that he passed away some time ago from a bout with cancer.

Inquisidor
Thanks for the info, sad to know about Mariano, he was a good guy.
About your sparring partner I have a hint for you about him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhETObVI10w

Watch it and you will understand what I mean.

talking of BS the Zagat writer is now adding his two cents another puffed up faux caballero who talks about things he knows little about

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL POST.....the Fuentes are examples of two time losers third time is the charm.After having had their business and lands confiscated by the Castros in the workers paradise the Fuentes moved what little they had left to Nicaragua fighting adversity and with hard work re established their good name and quality only to have Danny the Diddler and his communist goons run them out of Nicaragua....On to the DR and again have risen to the top by hard work and fair labour practices.....CAN IT BE ANY CLEARER TO YOU NOW

Walter is a chef a professional ... a cook is what you do in your home for family and friends no matter how good at it you are ...make the distinction ...It is an insult to use the word in that manner.....as a former longtime member and former Bailli of the the Chaîne des Rôtisseurs and member of Societe Mondiale du Vin,I educate you....Food and wine is my great love Tobacco was a business I was in....it has many cheap and tawdry hustlers who call people wife beaters and make homophobic jokes to prove they are big latino macho....you quisling are a punk in your late 30s who was given everything on a tray probably ....your buddy Shankens foibles are known to the world ...Walter is a nice man who has contributed much to the hospitality industry you should be ashamed

quisling tell us the name of your cigar if your so proud of it or is it like all the others that are no longer in existence and busted out.....were you one of the Cheeseballs who jumped on the cigar bandwagon I can assure you the one I was proud to be associated with was around before Cigar Aficiando and Shyster Shanken and still is ....was yours I doubt it ...you were just another schmuck jumping on the band wagon....and now your jumping on the Coffee gig ....oooo how trendy of you senor Juan Valdez of the DR...are your coffees highly rated did they get a high score.... I am impressed did you get an article about your product when you bought advertising you loser....highly rated high scores hahaha

MR Goulet
The Fuentes did come from Nicaragua before they finally settled in Santiago, and they are originally Cuban and they did transplant and transport from Cuba the tobacco seedlings that finally landed here. Just like the Israelis took the best olive oil trees from Lebanon and the California growers transplanted the best grape trees from France.
Cuban tobacco that is imported and sold in the DR is substandard quality. The best cigars are sold to European distributors in Spain and France. Brazil also imports fine brands that are lesser known.
Regardless of politics about Cuba, they did and do make still the best cigars in the world, and we Dominicans were very lucky to have had their expert tobacco growers come
and establish themselves here, as well as provide their experience and technical assistance.
To deny that idiot is to try to block the sun rays with your finger.
We must pray for your tormented, angry and foul mouthed soul, you hideous heathenous Christ killer.

what are you telling me fool that I did not already know first hand you punk ....and your little fairy tale about the seeds ...tell the story of the expropriation and theft ot the Cuban cigar industry by your buddy Castro you commie suck up ....I think what you know about tobacco you read in a magazine ...tell them why Kelner came hear cause Cuban tobacco was poor quality they cannot even afford insecticide and fertilizer and had to sell the Montecristo brand to Spain to buy fertilizer .....you know nothing ...what is your failed cigar ....do you still have some boxes lying around ...

JUST SO YOU SEE IT AGAIN YOUR INSULT TO A NICE MAN....Walter is a chef a professional ... cook is what you do in your home...make the distinction ...It is an insult to use the word in that manner.....as a former longtime member and former Bailli of the the Chaîne des Rôtisseurs and member of Societe Mondiale du Vin,I educate you....Food and wine is my great love Tobacco was a business I was in....it has many cheap and tawdry hustlers who call people wife beaters and make homophobic jokes to prove they are big latino macho....you quisling are a punk in your late 30s who was given everything on a tray probably ....your buddy Shankens foibles are known to the world ...Walter is a nice man who has contributed much to the hospitality industry you should be ashamed

Mr Goulet
I do have some cigar boxes "laying around" and aging but you will never taste them for free, you freeloader.
And I would never post their brand name because that will please you and reveal my identity, you con man.
I do suspect who you are and believe that we might have even met while attending a function in Santiago that you were posing in your old worn moth balled out clothes as a "big" buyer from New York and then were physically kicked out and thrown in the street after
your cover was exposed and we were alerted that you were just looking for some free cigar samples.
"Punk", oh my, you are a vulgarian, you homeless "big buyer from New York" aren't you?
What the hell such a big shot used to giving seminars be doing trying to bum cigars in Santiago?
You have made me laugh this morning! You fraud. You are an impostor my friend and Vuelta, Abajo, Cuba is the mother land of fine cigars to the ones that really know, not just pretend.

wrong again Nazi I would not lower myself to attend a cigar function ...you follow the Big Smoke big hoax all over the place ...Twice I went to the RTDA and wanted to throw up at all the losers I encountered ...you were probably one of them....

Wow, this got really ugly, really fast, even by DT standards.

devin11
"Nunca podemos tapar el sol con un dedo"
Este pendejo es el mismo que dijo que era un experto en café y bebidas y yo le demostre y un sinumero de otras personas que el café de Puerto Rico es el mejor considerado mundialmente por expertos.
Este tipo es un falsante y un cubano gusano destructivo que no sabe nada solo insultar.
Anyway, I got go, Feliz Nvidad!

yes you anti semite jerk you are a disgrace and a liar and you owe Walter at Deli Suisse an an apology for calling him a wife beater you jerk

here is your antisemitic remark I quote " We must pray for your tormented, angry and foul mouthed soul, you hideous heathenous Christ killer." end of quote What lurks in your head you lying creep to use this term " Christ Killer " your family should cringe in shame

“chef” is a job description — a chef is someone who cooks professionally, usually in command of a restaurant’s kitchen brigade, and depending on the brigade’s size, he or she might not even be doing any of the actual cooking......That is the difference between cook and chef ....You pretentious fool you actualy said this Quote "Vuelta, Abajo, Cuba is the mother land of fine cigars to the ones that really know, not just pretend." end quote....This is.like comparing the dirt of tobacco fields to the great vineyards....what a poseur phony ... Are these the kind of lines you use to impress people.?....I suppose you have never heard of Carmen the cigar roller either...you probably smoke those killers while holding a snifter of Cognac oh how urbane you are quisling....you poor phony poseur

Mr Goulet
This is my last message to you, because unlike you, since you are a bum, I do have important meetings to attend to.
Walter the chef at Deli Suisse when he is sober is a fine cook in his tiny house kitchen in Guayacanes.
If you really knew anything about him, you would also know that he is a violent drunk who beats regularly his poor younger Dominican wife, named Zoraida the snake charmer, by the way.
I happen to know since I was their neighbor in Guayacanes for many years, you are a HUGE big fraud and impostor! Caught lying again! Have you no shame?

WOW !
what an exchange....Jesus was Jewish. Judas sold him for a small price. Pilot was the temporary Judge. Jesus could have saved himself, but didn't. Jesus died a Roman Death threw crucifixion. And to think he did it willingly, for all mankind.
PEACE, LOVE & UNDERSTANDING.

GC, i am entertained by your spat with inquisidor, but i have a question for you. how can you upbraid inquisidor for leaking the wife beating habits of Walter? any man who is low enough to beat his wife, deserves to be outed. for a person who accused me of being anti-female when i ridiculed Sarah Palin, how can you take such an inconsistent stance. or is it ok to beat up on just SOME women?

GC is incapable of seeing the truth for the cigar smoke. He dwells on the Spanish inquestion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uprjmoSMJ-o
Like all papists he wants violence and terror perpetrated by the US.

S.

what we need is a new act against papists, jim jones look-alikes and other people promoting war and destitution in the World through religion - Jesus brought 2000 years of war - only now is philosophy ending this destruction as people leave the Churches. Russia again leads the World!
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph....hu_att-religion-church-attendance United States is so way behind.
http://www.gunpowder-plot.org/archives/eliz5.htm
S.

I wonder if the wanker complains about the Muslims as much as he does the Christians???

I doubt it.

Oh! Happy Days ( Beckett )
http://www.themodernword.com/beckett/beckett_works_drama.html
S.

Islam is the religion of peace!
http://www.religionofpeace.com/
I spread only truth and light!
S.

To whom it may concern
The foul mouthed poster that I refuse to address directly any more, obviously enjoys these
exchanges that are just futile mud slinging fests and always end in vicious and brutal name calling, gender abuse,
and homophobic innuendos by an individual who as I have read his other posts has a lousy history of insults with josean, abc200, drealocks and generous to just name a few.
This describes him the best posted by another contributor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhETObVI10w

By the way, he was the one that brought Chef Walter into his untrue statements, I just reaffirmed the fact that Chef Walter is a fine cook when he is sober and has a tendency to get violent when under the influence of the spirits. Didn't mean any harm by that, just stating the facts.
And he does beat up unmercifully on his poor younger Dominican wife who deserves better!
Now who is the big latino macho man, the one who denounces cowardly wife beaters or the one who defends them?
Sir you a sick and despicable shade of the human species, we Dominicans don't have to put up with your untruths and garbage in a daily basis. You are an unwelcome alien and please move on with your venom and filth to another island, like Cuba for example where I am sure you will be most welcome by your atheist friend Fidel and his gay brother Raul.

ABC200,
"Islam is the Religion of Peace"
DEATH TO ALL INFIDELS........It figures, an eye for an eye, Suicide Bombers, Public Executions, yeah right ! Lucky the U.S Military isn't Islamic......
DO YOU OWN LIONS ??

ABC200,
The History of the Peace Sign.....It's the Cross of Christ turned upside down, surrounded by the sphere which means everlasting, perpetual...Simply put, it means "Peace with out Christ".
ARE YOU A LION TRAINER ??

" you will be most welcome by your atheist friend Fidel and his gay brother Raul."......this loser just goes out of his way to show where his head is...I suppose your reference to atheist Fidel has something to do with your Catholic upbringing ...Well because of you I am ashamed to be a Catholic and your reference to Raul being gay in your mind is some kind of put down I suppose macho man....well you should stop abusing that minority as well most people in this day an age have.... except for big time latino macho men like you ...The Christ Killer comment was best though what a narrow school of thought that is .You have elitist written all over you and you are far far from it

"Some of my best friends are gay"
"Some of my best friends are Jewish"
"Some of my best friends are black"
We are all human beings!
Peace brothers!
Let's start the New Year in harmony, peace, forgiveness and compassion.
Offer each other the olive branch.
Just a friendly comment don't want to take any sides.

Mrios - just happen to think that 0.000001 percent of the time Bush is right!
"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans. Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance and we welcome people of all faiths in America."
Remarks by President George W. Bush in a statement to reporters during a meeting with U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan
The Oval Office, Washington, DC
November 13, 2002


"We see in Islam a religion that traces its origins back to God's call on Abraham. We share your belief in God's justice, and your insistence on man's moral responsibility. We thank the many Muslim nations who stand with us against terror. Nations that are often victims of terror, themselves."
President Hosts Iftaar Dinner
Remarks by the President at Iftaar Dinner
State Dining Room


S.

Of course it is American Christians who are not peace loving and engage in endless wars!
http://www.countercurrents.org/us-sikand171105.htm
You know I am always right!
S.

abc200
Allah Akhbar (Arabic: God is Great)
These are the last words uttered by muslim suicide bombers before they blow themselves up.
The immans share a responsibility on not stopping this senseless violence by their followers by not issuing their religious decrees to stop this useless violence and reaffirming the stupid belief that they will go to heaven were they will be welcomed by 79 virgins.

Muslims do not speak out against their muslim brothers who commit terrorist acts against noncombatants in the west. Muslim terrorists blow up men, women, children.....and all Moderate Muslims say is that we should not blame Islam, because it is inly a few, and they aren't really following the religion. How long do muslims think that lie will be believed. Keep pushing!

Generoso,
Thank you for the last comment, you nailed it.....The American Muslims also share a violent, Radical and Chaotic History in the U.S.
Why, just the other day on CNN I saw thousands upon thousands of Hamas and there supporters in the streets of Gaza declaring "Death to Israel" and of future "Planned Attacks"...Most people choose to ignore the signing of the so called peace treaty of non aggression which before and after the signing rockets and mortars rained down on the Gaza Strip almost daily. Guess what The treaty expired a couple Months ago, The best possible Defense, is an Offense. The rest is History...
In keeping with my Faith, I'll pray for all the Victims, ALL.

And hope for a cease fire from both sides.

Wheres Chill from Iraq ? are you out there ! ...........God Bless you, I pray God keeps you safe in Iraq.

The term "Muslim terrorist" is used to label Islam as a terrorist religion. However, it is a misnomer. When IRA bombers struck, they were not labeled as "Catholic terrorists" even though the struggle is between Catholic Ireland and Protestant Northern Ireland supported by Protestant England. Likewise, when Timothy McVeigh blew up the CIA headquarters in Oklahoma City in 1995 killing 168 people, he was not labeled as a "Christian terrorist", though he was Christian and a terrorist. In fact the "Muslim terrorist" label was attached to the activities of the PLO who were a mixture of Muslims, Christians and communists. The PLO is not, nor was it ever, a Muslim organization. It is a nationalist organization working for the establishment of a secular Palestinian state.

http://www.muslimbridges.org/content/view/443/
S.

abc200, Stop defending Islamic Fascism.

The whole problem is that religion removes the conscience of the individual. No person is that evil on his own... well nearly no one, but it's easy to follow a warped system of toilet beliefs and allay responsibility.

Hamas was a Iraqui Proxy. Saddam even publically paid the families of Hamas Suicide bombers.
Iran supports Hezbollah both financially and physically.

Here you go.


Jews reaching out to their Muslim brothers....

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Sate....9829128&videoId=1230456496945

GC, i have no personal knowledge of Walter, neither am i privy to his domestic habits..i am taking my information from a poster who claims, without dispute, to be his neighbor. the poster also claims, again undisputedly, to know that Walter beats his wife. i was not in the Oval Office when Monica Lewinsky obliged Bill Clinton with a little lovin', but i have to belive it, because evidence points that way. similarly, i have to believe inquisidor, unless you can marshall contrary information. i am not making any value judgements on Walter, per se, but only wife beaters. if Walter falls into that category of lowly humanity, let the chips fall where they may.

dread read this again where is this jerk coming from "" you will be most welcome by your atheist friend Fidel and his gay brother Raul."......this loser just goes out of his way to show where his head is...I suppose your reference to atheist Fidel has something to do with your Catholic upbringing ...Well because of you I am ashamed to be a Catholic and your reference to Raul being gay in your mind is some kind of put down I suppose macho man....well you should stop abusing that minority as well most people in this day an age have.... except for big time latino macho men like you ...The Christ Killer comment was best though what a narrow school of thought that is .You have elitist written all over you and you are far far from it

GC, i am discussing the issue of wife beating ; i am not getting into alleged bigotry, just spousal abuse. one thing at a time .

All religions are evil except perhaps Buddhism. I just make the point that Christanity has been by far the worst infliction on mankind - Islam pales in comparison so should be supported when up against the supposedly Christian Evil Empire (USA ) as a tactic. Hey man, just somewhere, away from Jim Jones, there may be a couple of good Christians I havn't met yet so as a mark of provisional respect I spell 'C' in uppercase. Please applaud!
S.

domestic tragedies as you well know are not for the public to delight in ....No one is defending spousal abuse ...this person of little class may discuss things like this in a bar...But true or not they are not for public consumption.....his qualification of the wife as younger Dominican is also supposed to conjure up an evil image ...he is no gentleman...Walter and his wife are very nice people I hope they are not aware of what this swine has done

There sure are some swine out there! You must boil your pig-swill really well!
S.

abc200,
I think it's safe to say your probably from the Middle East but live in the United Kingdom of heaven, somewhere....Your also living proof that Muslims can be just as bad as Christians by taking joy and Pleasure in the death and Destruction of the most precious thing on Earth...HUMAN LIFE. Both Muslims and Christians will use there twisted ideas and beliefs to justify just about anything. Sounds like History repeating it's self, but with a much more deadly results.

Mr Dreadlocks
This insulting bigot "swine" was the one who brought up Walter into the public discussion. He must have
been busy watching for the tenth time his favorite movie "Brokeback Mountain", and he is deviating from the subject that he failed miserably to address when his masquerade was unveiled for all to see. That he really only has superficial and out of sync information about food, wine or cigars. Period.
This person is a fraud and a bluffer. I did everybody a favor bringing out his true colors.
Chef Walter is a nice person when he is sober but he does like to use his poor Dominican wife as a punching bag, I know I heard the screams from far away. Sorry but that is the truth. I had no intention to harm anybody by making this information public. Maybe now he will reconsider and release his anger elsewhere and be more gentle to a nice woman that deserves better. I really have no sympathy for persons that abuse women or their defenders that abuse posters like me.

i thought you would not be back again you are still lying and apologizing ...you were wrong about the negative content of what I said about the Fuente Family admit it ...yes I brought up walter he has a very good wine list one of the few in this country ...should he be exposed to your personal opinions of his domestic situation you creep....you had no intention no intention you are a thoughtless jerk we hope to hear your screams in hell .my credentials i am willing to put on the table fool.you will not even name your if it existed defunct Cigar .I with few exceptions disdain my former career in the cigar business .at the time it was just another specialty item to go along with the food and wine that I had been involved in for many years throughout the Caribbean..I was a founding officer and later the Bailli of the Chaîne des Rôtisseurs of the Virgin islands chapter and a founding member of the Ordre Mondial du Vin...Walter I believe is a member of the Dominican chapter of the Chaine

They would never consider you for membership in a Society such as this you piece of sewage .....now go away and stay away like you said you would...for good this time ...one last thing you continue to call Walter a cook you show your ignorance ....Cook is what you do for your family and friends a Chef is a professional who has earned his position by running a professional kitchen ....Walter certainly never cooked for you loser

ei diablo que lio hay aqui..

goulet does anyone in dr produce a local wine? I remember reading somewhere that during colonial times some religious orders grew grapes and produced wine locally so I know it has been done before.

Ciby well it is a loaded question and that could be a pun....it could technically be done out of love or curiosity because you can grow grapes at certain altitudes...But the quality in terms of wine making would be less than rewarding...I remember in Puerto Rico a company use to import this horrible stuff in concentrate and then add water to get around the flat 20 dollar a case tax Puerto Rico had on wine ...We called it Chateau Bayamon yech....but with the low cost of rum getting loaded is no problem ...ciby I hope this answered your question ...Other than visiting some distributors to pay my respects I have been retired from what used to be a most wonderful profession...they used to say in England the first son inherited the second son went in the military and the third son or the idiot or the black sheep went in the wine trade...there was some truth to it...England not France made the rules for wine as we know it today

and yes religious orders traditionally were in charge of many of the vineyards of Europe Burgundy in particular...so they had the necessity to produce ...I used to tell the joke that one of the reasons I never became a priest was because I could not drink that early in the morning...

and ciby by the way I want you to know that Dread with whom I have had many many arguments taught me the most important thing I ever learned about wine ...that is " Never let the brown paper bag touch your lips "

goulet i have a feeling that you and thunderbird are no stranger.

Mr cibaeño75
Greetings from your neighbor in Santiago.
You are asking the wrong person as this guy does not know Jack Shitt about wine.
DR does produce local wines and they are sold in drums to the local all inclusive hotels.
The quality is not great according to the standards of wine connoisseurs but it is drinkable and consumed by the tourists in these hotels.
The problem is the poor quality of the grapes due to the high temperatures in the DR, as you know wine is very dependent on correct temperatures and water at the proper time.
You did not get an answer from this out of sync individual but wait and you will see him wanting to have the last word when he first made an attempt to evade the subject.

they used to say Thunderbird whats the price 50 twice..actually these Tenderloin specials like Boones farm for the pot smokers before that Bali Hi and Man o Maneshevitz...were the foundation on which the Gallo Brothers founded the largest winery in the world

I am sure what this moron is talking about is the concentrate I referred to that was imported to Puerto Rico to beat the tax ...that we called Chateau Bayamon...that is the all you can drink plonk served in the all inclusives ...the few vineyards i have seen could hardly produce anything in the quantities needed and the cost of fermentation tanks etc would outway any commercial value....but if there is a couple of thousand acres of vineyards in the Dr I would love to visit them .....B2B Global Manufacturers Products Marketing Directory of wine concentrate manufacturers & suppliers on Commerce.com.tw.

"Greetings from your neighbor in Santiago."

Greetings from Staten Island and thanks for the info.

Obviously, Mr. Inquisitor and Mr. GC are very knowledgeable about all of the relevant topics posted regarding the subject matter of the article. I have learned a lot from your posts with regards to wines, coffee and tobacco. I ask you to please pardon my trespass and perhaps suggest that somehow you guys find some common ground or at the very least discontinue this personal assault of one another. I am certain that you are both gentlemen and gentlemen sometimes loose their composure but this back and forth is beneath the both of you. I hope I have not imposed on either of you by my suggestion and if I have, again, I respectfully ask your pardon.

Someone just informed me that there is indeed a Dominican wine...foolish me, I must've seen the bottle many, many times...it's called La Fuerza

devin11
As usual the voice of composure and sanity.
If you reread he most interesting exchanges you will find that in the beginning one of the posters hits below the belt all the time and resorts to the foulest of languages. And then infected the other poster into resorting to similar remarks into his later postings.
Sort of like the rotten bad apple infects and destroys everything around it.
I am really not getting involved in this mud slinging festivity.

I have never heard of it, what can you say about it Cibaeno?

There is no luv lust between inquisidor, and Glout. I wonder if we can lock them up together for a month let's see what happened. However I found it to be very educational and entertaining.

Ciby that is correct you can lookit up it from concentrate the same as the schlock at the all inclusives

quisling knows nothing he did not know the Fuentes were run out of Nicaragua by the communists and he still thinks there is wine grapes grown here to supply the all inclusives....it is from concentrate ...point to one fact about wine or anything else this Jew baiting Homophobe slanderer of uninvolved people has shown any knowledge of anything ...he is a phony poseur ...I have known them all over ...a social climbing slime ball ...who claims expertise in things he knows little about ..

say it aint so, cibaeno. you are out there in the land of the great Hylan Boulevard and Bay Street? maybe Richmond Terrace? i know it well. spent many days on places like Van Duzer. small world.

devin gentlemen dont call people Christ Killers or Fags or accuse people not part of this discussion to be wife beaters with out the opportunity to defend themselves this guy is no gentleman....his half hearted apology to this man shows he knows he was incorrect behavior....His original attack on me was because he could not read what I said about the Fuente family....he jumped to an unnecessary defense of an insult that was actually a compliment ...he just does not know how to read

GC, though i am running the risk of sounding partial here, why does anyone owe a wife beater the right to defend himself? if the poster has PROOF, then he is not bound by duty to keep silent, simply because the assailant cannot "defend himself". as a matter of fact, the accused always has the right of self defense, should he choose to exercise it. who knows? maybe, in this case, Walter would rather take the fifth, than run the risk of self incrimination.

dread did you read the original post? about Walter and his restaurant ?.....the idiot brings up this wife beating thing why ....it was not generic to anything ....did walter screw this guys wife ...why would he throw this into a completely unrelated thread...then qualify it later by making her Dominican to rouse the sympathies of the board ..and then half apologize ...poor walter had nothing to do with anything ...other than he has probably the best wine list in the DR ...so this jerk decides to blurt out for all that Walter is a wife beater like this shows some kind of superior knowledge of wine on his part ....it does not ...Walter devotes a lot of time to training young Dominicans in the art of handling wines for the Hospitality industry...It is unfortunate that his domestic life was brought into this thread whether it is true or not ...In any case I am sure Mr and Mrs Klienert are mortified ...it was thoughtless and cruel

Professor G,
Muchas gracias por tan inmerecida distincion.

GC,
Sir, I'm sorry if I overstepped your ward by my request. You have always shown me genuine respect and cordiality and those sentiments will always be reciprocated, especially when we disagree.

Dreadlocks,
Just wanted to say hello and to have the opportunity to say thanks for your always insightful posts.

Devin11,
Way to go. a total sign of pure respect. A leader among leaders, all can learn from this....Including MYSELF.
Real leaders lead by example.

mrios, quite like yourself, devin is a class act.

Dreadlocks,
Many thanks, God bless you.

devin no problem ..you conduct yourself with skill of a diplomat ....Do you think it is fair to be able to call someone a wife beater from behind a name that is not theirs ...to accuse someone of these kinds of things on a format like this for no other reason than to claim the knowledge of knowing the person....This person Quisling or whatever is beneath contemp...This person when referred to as a schmuck a plain old schmuck would you believe it retaliates with the bigoted reply of " Christ Killer ' Thinking to himself I will get the Jew...Then in typical narrow homophobic style compares me to the gay Raul Castro then to a gay TuTu wearing cigar handler and then of repeatedly watching Broke Back Mountain this is morons idea of bigtime insult I think he has a problem..He repeatedly say this is final word on the subject and he keeps coming back for more....he will get it

"say it aint so, cibaeno. you are out there in the land of the great Hylan Boulevard and Bay Street? maybe Richmond Terrace? i know it well. spent many days on places like Van Duzer. small world."

Yes, for now I'm in NYC's orphan borough...all the spots you named are not to far from me...I'm currently residing in the Rosebank section. Got a really good deal, too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/12/realestate/12living.html

"I have never heard of it, what can you say about it Cibaeno?"

All I know is that it comes in a cheesy bottle with a muscle guy depicted on it...never drank the stuff and I probably never will.

yes, cibaeno, i spent many a year crossing over the old Verrazano bridge, and making my way through the borough with one parkway. running the length of Hylan Blvd was no picnic..it is a nice borough, anyway, and has some great pizza.

ciby It is the same as the rest it is made from concentrate ....do you actually think some one would go to all the trouble required to maintain a vineyard and then put their product in that cheesy bottle with a screwcap please....why dont you get it it is imported in concentrate and reconstituted if that is your idea of Dominican wine you are as bad off as the quisling.;..it is how they beat the taxes just like Chateau Bayamon like I said before when the subject of wine in the Caribbean came up....Viticulture for wine is very expensive

ciby I thought you were in Brooklyn home of the former Gage and Tollner and Peter Luger

GC, our beloved cibaeno is in exile in Richmond county, not living the life of a squire in brooklyn.

thats where the elephants go to die isn't it ? poor ciby

"thats where the elephants go to die isn't it ? poor ciby"

LOL I'm actually in a suburb of brooklyn...that's the best way to describe my new digs. I'm close enough to everything that I don't even buy so much as abottle of water in Staten Island. I'm just living there and that's about it.

NYC????


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Football sucks period.

just like ciby denying his Staten Island roots......." I don't even buy so much as a bottle of water in Staten Island. I'm just living there and that's about it."

"just like ciby denying his Staten Island roots.."

LOLOL..my wife says I'm in denial.

it's ok, cibaeno. at least you stopped in Staten Island. you could have continued over the Outerbridge and taken up residence in some place like Elizabeth, NJ. then we would have requested that you recuse yourself from the board.

Port Elizabeth a quaint little spot to dump the chemicals....home of the Toxic Avenger

yes, GC. spend an hour there, and your complexion changes to day-glo.

Where is the old hebe Christ killer, eating locks? Or maybe getting drunk with his only friend
Walter the drunk wife beating fat cook in Guayacanes?
Maybe now as old nazis admirers they got two more poor Dominican girls to beat up on while they get drunk and reminisce about their glory days of the Third Reich, and their vast knowledge of wines.

its lox idiot ...I thought you were not coming back quisling....you lied again....have you returned from the Dominican vineyards...

quisling you are very confused You say........... "Where is the old hebe Christ killer, eating locks? Or maybe getting drunk with his only friend
Walter the drunk wife beating fat cook in Guayacanes?
Maybe now as old nazis admirers they got two more poor Dominican girls to beat up on while they get drunk and reminisce about their glory days of the Third Reich,".......do you really think there were many Nazi Jews ? as you say in this piece of confused drivel....spelling is very bad as well

dread I believe helping these people learn their trade is a worthwhile endeavor ...http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....7new-cuisine-technicians#comments

Mr. GC read this and learn something you old foul mouthed angry old man.
The Israelis are the present day Nazi's and SS troops as they abused and murder the poor Palestinian civilians after they stole their land and drove them out by brute force.
The renewal of the criminal bombing to destroy all trace of civilian infrastructure and use the few rocket attacks as an excuse, which is done by the same Israeli financed terrorists of Hamas.
The Israeli bombing and massacre of the unarmed Palestinian population goes on in a daily basis using illegal and outlawed time bombs to flex their muscles at the coming Obama administration, and test their resolve just like the Russians did one day after Obama's election.
Obama maybe has not sold out to the Israeli lobby in DC and could be more sympathetic to the Palestinian right for statehood. Naming pro-Israel Hillary Clinton will accomplish the long term effort to install a Palestinian state, since the far right Israeli-New York Jews trust her.

Mr Foul Mouth Goulet
I thought you were Cuban, but you just are a bitter Jewish ex-NY wine peddler.
No wonder you know nothing about cigars and coffee, you dumb know all about nothing.

and best friend of brutal drunk wife beaters!

24 post to go to beat the usual Dominican-Haitian hate comments.
You guys is Christmas!
Cool it please, is bad luck to be hateful at this time.
Make peace not war.
Just cool it until 2009 then you can start all over again. LOL.

quisling you really are a piece of work ....you do not have the grey matter to be in this discussion...you have dug your hole pretty deep ...now go away like you said you would ,and mean it this time

quislings colorful insult I quote " I thought you were Cuban, but you just are a bitter Jewish ex-NY wine peddler. "....I love it ....I have arrived....What quisling does not know is that the most important people in the wine trade in America are Jews from New York....and highly respected at that and I am honored to call some of them my friend...How ever me I am a Canadian Catholic boy from Toronto Oy vey iz mir....I wonder if quisling has found his Dominican Vineyard that supplies the hotels with their all you can drink weasel pee " Chateau Ozama ".....maybe he is counting his aging cigars left over from his days as a cigar mogul......whatever he has proven my original post " so many experts and so much disinformation." and he managed to throw in anti semitism and gay bashing and he continues to abuse a poor innocent until proven guilty man of domestic violence ....all from behind a NOME DE PLUME

Children do not try that home, never discussed wine, fine food, cigar with a connoiseur like Glout
unless you are authorized.

“Heeeeere’s Johnny!” Glout, have you heard Ed McMahon rap CD, they are foreclosing his house, he must have invested his money with madoff. Go leafs

Hey Mr. Lonsman, how are things in the wife beating gay world you live in?
All this just because you were confronted by a brick wall of knowledge that put your "pseudo information" about any subject you post on as dubious and superficial.
You are just a lonely old man with nothing to do except sit all day in front of his computer to try to be the first to piss on any new posts and thus validate an empty and colorless existence pretending to be knowledgeable and a "has been player".
Well my dubious name calling nazi wife beater friend, you wine peddling days are over and you are no player, you never were and now you are too old and bitter to ever be. Pendejo.
Also I see your habitual habit of putting slanderous names on anybody that dares to contradict
your useless jargon, you can call me anything you like, but there are many posters that know
what your real name translates to: GC Gran Cabrón.

Inquis feliz ano nuevo, I hope that you will start the new year in a good foot, you guys had a very interesting argument at the end of the day the readers and myself have benefited from both of your advance knowledge of the subject matter, hope there will be no hard feeling and no further need to keep rubbing it in.

how about Cabrito quisling if it makes you happy ....now take your pills and dont forget to break the yellow one in half and take your nappy ...tomorrow is another year when you wake up ....you will still be a paranoid loser and circling the drain

Mr Gran Cabrón
and no free cigars for you either.....Mr Big Shot New York cigar buyer....LOL.
That was kicked in his behind shamelessly for being a big mouth, by more than
one other poster other than me.
Doesn't your rear end hurt?
Oh, I am sorry, you gays like it rough I guess, then you must be bottom not top.
Oh one more thing, you are no world traveler either, unless you can call walking
around parque Colón going around the world. You big fraud.

Inquis feliz ano nuevo, I hope that you will start the new year in a good foot, you guys had a very interesting argument at the end of the day the readers and myself have benefited from both of your advance knowledge of the subject matter, hope there will be no hard feeling and no further need to keep rubbing it in.

I would hate such great conversation like this, turn into kid mud slinging... peace and love upon us all.

Quisling your good buddy hahaha Marven " shyster " Shanken is a New York Jew he would be very unhappy to find out his good and great friend quisling was an anti Semite ...he might cancel your subscription to Cigar Asphyxiationado....you phony poseur loser

Anyway you are not worthy of my attention anymore Mr. GC the loser.
Find another petrified tree to piss on.
Adios!

two time losers of their properties and businesses to the communist regimes of Cuba and Nicaragua .....you nincompoop loser....now go away and stay away this is the third time you have lied and returned like a bad penny ...

Oh no you are apologizing to the readers for your diarrhea mouth? Badmouthing the Fuentes family?
I can not believe it, is this actually a semblance of an apology?
I will not go away now or never, my motto from now on is to put and plug ( you will like that won't you) your sorry blabber whenever and wherever I can.
But of course some of us still have to work for a living unlike you, who spends all his time either molesting others in the internet or getting smashed in the parque Colón with his other drunk friends.

I apologize for nothing ...you with your poor grasp of English misread the statement did you not ?....and thought I was using the term" two time loser "as I would in calling you by your correct title LOSER in life but you see LOSER I was referring to their having LOST their businesses and properties TWICE...now do you get it you LOSER ...Now go back to the begining and read it again you LOSER you will have to do it until you get it right

OK you guys this is not really the subject matter. But happy new year!

"the Fuentes are examples of two time losers third time is the charm".
Your original quote you libel chief. Can't you have a small amount of decency before you croak?

Inquisidor,
God bless you and Your family on this first day of the year. In the hope that any misunderstandings between you and Gouletcolonial would be settled....The way I read it and understood it, lost one, lost two THIRD IS A CHARM [success]. I can tell you from past postings / dealings with in this Forum I'm sure many have misunderstood or lost the true meaning of my responses to what I wrote and for what ever reason made it in to personal type vendetta of sorts, myself included. I just take a few steps back and try to see and read threw there eyes and there understanding thats all. At least to me it's all about COMMUNICATION. As Dreadlocks have taught / shown me....Don't take things so personal...To error is to be Human.

This is really useless corresponding with a drunk, libel hate monger.
I am out of here, you scum of the earth. Go party some more with your parque Colón drunk buddies.
PS Send me your correct address so I can send you a gallon of the cheap wine you like bottled in Jarabacoa just for self labeled "connoisseurs" and drunk wife beaters like you.
With one condition: You must drink it all in one try so maybe your three flat tires would finally give it up and your half empty remaining tire would blow up and leave the rest of us be in peace.

Great Reality Show to look out for in the coming weeks.

quisling this is the fourth count em four times you said you were leaving....there is a bus out of town in 30 minutes .....Be Under It.....and dont come back this time ....that would be 5 count em

Thank you mrios is just that this instigator and cyber terrorist uses always put downs and insults freely to all innocent bystanders, like the good bully he is.
The exchange was very high level until he stepped in with his hurtful remarks to the Fuentes family that I happen to respect and idolize as model entrepreneurs and hard working individuals.
This slime ball just swings at everything and everyone with his hurtful commentaries and brings down the level of exchanges, and scares away other contributors with his foul language.
And I completely understand the remark is just that the two negatives do not make right a positive comment. This is called a sadistic cynical remark. By the way this scum had a long feud with Mr. dreadlocks when he gratuitously insulted an ex-Jamaican head of state.
If you read all my postings from the beginning until this slime ball butted in they are of the highest caliber with the utmost respect for all.
God bless you and your family too.

mrios 100 posts ago I tried to explain it to him the original post is a compliment to the Fuente family I even say it is a huge gain for the DR to have them and that they are good corporate citizens and fair employers....what is he a dyslexic ....and he will not be forgiven for his Jew Baiting and Gay bashing as well as slander of uninvolved people during his rage ...this guy is a loose canon ...I enjoy being provocative but I do not collectively demean Jews Blacks or Homosexuals and if I ever had offended I usually apologize

Quisling you dont understand anything you say Quote..."And I completely understand the remark is just that the two negatives do not make right a positive comment. This is called a sadistic cynical remark. By the way this scum had a long feud with Mr. dreadlocks when he gratuitously insulted an ex-Jamaican head of state.".end of quote.......Michael Manley of Jamaica statement was a mistake that I corrected immediately ...you can look that up as well fool ....I retracted the statement that he was a "crook " and compared him to Trudeau who also ruined his country as did Manley...You can ask dread if you care to we have had our disagreements but still can communicate also heads of state are public figures and fair game in the press ...Men who are Chefs and portrait artists are not and do not deserved to be dragged all over this forum through the mud...by someone with a Nome de Plume

Finally are you gone quisling ....this time for good or will you go for 6..... do I hear 6

To all,
Are we close to the exchange record yet !!
I also have said things that may have and with out realizing insulted people, even the Fuentes on there advertising some 100 plus postings ago. Hey my Grandfather Serafin Rios who migrated from Puerto Rico to the Dom. Rep. in 1917 in search of a better life who by the way was a Tobacco and Coffee grower where Family Pride and tradition in his products was # 1 [ Old school ], and at Gun Point was forced along with my Father and Uncles to Vote for Trujillo in the mid 1940's and as a result lost his U.S Citizen Status, only to be reinstated in Nov. 6,1961 by George E. Belcher American Consul and the U.S State Department Foreign Office which I have a copy of the Original reinstatement Documents which I keep in my Gun Safe. I have Dates, Times and Names to back this up. GOD BLESS ALL and THERE FAMILY'S.

that is a great story mrios ...God Bless America

Gouletcolonial,
Thank you, Please find it in your Heart to make Amends with Inuisidor, you'll be surprise...My Dad called me to wish me a Happy New Year this Morning and to inform of a 10 day visit in February to the Dr. He has not visited the DR in over 15 years and is in his 80's. He has told me before he leaves this World he wants to visit his Birth Place one more time, as screwed as I fell who am I to deny him that, my Mother will ride this one out due to health reasons. so you see Life is to SHORT and no one is Guaranteed tomorrow...Just think about what I said. God Bless.

mrios you should make every effort to join your father on that special walk down memory lane. On the matter of forgiveness to the inquisidor.... Mrios keep in mind this person still believes that I slighted the Fuentes family and as anyone can plainly see he is very wrong I quote his words ...." The exchange was very high level until he stepped in with his hurtful remarks to the Fuentes family that I happen to respect and idolize as model entrepreneurs and hard working individuals." ...end quote ...this is not reality where this person lives ...thereafter the remarks I make are specific to him ...not about Jews not about Gay people not about various private gentlemen and his knowledge of their habits and behaviors ...I can only forgive him I cannot speak for the other people and groups who he has used in his pathetic vendetta against me only they and God can do that ......happy new year

mrios
In the interest of forgiveness and compassion and to turn the other cheek on the ongoing Christ killer hurtful remarks and slander, I will end this argument.
As a church going fervent Catholic, I will quote the scriptures:
"If you liveth in a glass house do not dare to throw stones at others"
May this be a lesson to persons who abuse liquor and do no set limits on their foul mouth.

Gouletcolonial
Your right, but I'm unable go along with Dad. upon my last visit I brought back a 1 pound bag of La Tacita Coffee, pictures of the land the Rios Family used to own and almost killed him Spiritually, he teared up, needless to say I could give him the sample Tobacco either which I brought back from the DR, I later flushed it. Besides he'll be with my Uncle to visit what very little Family and old friends he still has living San Carlos. I see Inuisidor is headed in the right direction and is truly off to a great Start, I wish you both the best. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL.

mrios dont be so sure go look what the wacko wrote on the thread about Rubirosa { see thread about Dominican Playboy}...he is out there where the buses do not run

Yes, many people come from criminal backgrounds such as those who rained destruction in Vietnam etc.. Older people sometimes make peace with themselves and give their ill-gotten gains ot greenpeace and others trying to make a better World. The US century of crimes could end soon and I wish your family well in this reconcilliation.
S.

quisling apparently blames me for his outburst concerning the people he smeared ...look what you made me do he says.....His Post....." You are a historian now, you sorry and despicable troll as you were correctly baptized and former shadow of a man.
Go back to Canada, Cuba or wherever else they might allow you in, your despicable comments already contributed to bringing out of the closet hard and long forgotten sad but true facts that helped
stain the reputation of two innocent bystanders with your foul mouth and slander.
May God forgive you, we shall pray for your lost and sorry soul.".......end of Post ..Sorry I brought you out of the closet quisling and thank you for your prayers....PS say hello to cardinal Nicky for me