Another gimmick oh no excuse me another robery

One step to increasing pollution, one giant leap to enriching the politicians and the oligarchs!

How stupid can these people get?

2 Billion would be one hell of cash rebate on solar panels and mega-watt turbunes.

pay the bill

Bigger oppurtunity for propina for Leonel and his cronies than the Metro!!!!!

i agree, 2 billion will go a long way in green energy.

if we want to see a profit coming out of that 2 billion dollar investment, then we could also invest it in energy efficient public transportation methods that will allow us pay lessor nothing at all for gas.

Yes this means i am all for another metro line in santo domingo, lets have 4 more metro lines if possible.

3/4 of dominicans in d.r. live in the capital if we can convince atleast 50% of them to travel in public transportation, with incentives like cheaper fares then we will be making huge progress

Nice move investing all that money in outdated polluting energy generation. And if they don't pay the fuel bill (even though it is coal, it is still fuel) the owners will shut it down, just like the do in the other plants that are operating(?) today.

Quisqueyanosoy, lets try this again. first , you state that 75% of dominicans live in santo domingo. i would think it is closer to 30-35%. secondly, it does not matter how many people are in the city. what matters is a) capacity of train; it cannot hold 35% of the population b) the population pattern along the corridor c) the demographics of the population along the corridor, as it relates to the need to take a train d) the relative cost of the train to alternative means of transport e) the convenience of alternative means; does the carrito stop in front of your destination, as opposed to the metro, which lets you out 300 yards away..it is not a simple case of building a bunch of trains below ground, and people will come. this is not New York city. people take subway trains in new york because there is nothing else remotely as cheap. you can go from one borough to another in a subway car for less than 2 dollars; it costs you that much to hail a cab!

hopefully, they will not offer this bond issue and invest the money in antiquated technologies. we have not been told what type of equipment they intend to use; are they going to move to modern advances such as Supercritical Pulverised Coal, which is probably 5% more expensive in terms of plant and equipment, but more efficient , and less polluting? or are they going to buy some old obsolete scrap from some Spaniards?

Green Energy?
Nuclear Power and Clran Coal are the only economically viable Green Energy out there. Solar is a joke and Wind is only viable in certain areas and even then it is too expensive.

The DR is a poor country.
Let the rich countries, riddled with guilt pay the bill for green. Coal is cheap and efficient, Perfect for the DR.

DR is a poor country ( for now) but lest boost our economy in a smarter way, and invest in green technologies! :D

Again who is going to get the sulfur, mercury and arsenic given off by charcoal? What to do with the freaking ash? Will the Dominican forests become a feedstock to the abomination?
Nuclear? Forget that! DR does not have the means to prevent material failure (whether metal or concrete) from embrittlement and gas (helium) cracking! And any radioactive leak (steam or liquid or solid), we must evacuate the whole freaking island not to see life again until decontamination processes prove the island clean! I think PLD is making a huge mistake to solve the generation problem with oxidation of coal. With oil prices around $42 per barrel, this is a good time to invest in environmentally compatible energy generation. Better to cut down on demand by slowind down population growth and immigration!

yep, let's go back to the era before the industrial revolution when the life expectancy was 35 years.

Coal is a big polluter, there is no such thing as "clean coal" is just a marketing ploy to convince the nay sayers and duping the populace into believing that coal is safe for the environment.
Coal is dangerous and cancerous and should not be used, it poisons the air we breathe. It contributes to global warming and the greenhouse effect, its a no no no and no.
So these joker legislators or " country molestators" for lack of a better word not only intend to shaft us with their most likely way overpriced super pollutant Chinese coal burning
plants but to add insult to injury they will shove into our darkest hole a big commission bill to be payed by future generations.
What gall!

generoso, why are you complaining about the ravages of coal burning? if you were paying attention, you would have seen where Anthonyc has informed us that Clean Coal is "out there". nobody in the developed world has gotten his bulletin, as we speak. their scientists are still working on making it a reality. besides, you have to realise that , to right wing nuts, everything is measured in terms of money. so what if everybody dies from the effects of emissions, and the environment is laid bare. somewhere in the equation, if you look closely enough,you will find at least one person making a profit. true, he might be on a respirator too, but his books are in the black. we all know that these politician types here are going to go out and buy some discarded salvage equipment , abandoned technology from the 50s, and pocket the cash. does anyone believe they care? the lights do not go off where they live!

dread
read my comment please in "Dominican lawmakers revise “onerous” energy pacts"
You don't sleep old man?

i suffer from insomnia. what better thing to do , when you cannot sleep, than write? i will look at your post.

you both have prostates the size of grapefruits that keep waking you up.....it will be the rocking chair and the Depends pretty soon for both of you geezers

GC
Looks who is taking the "mother of incontinence" poster child. My prostate is the size of a small
lemon, my 21 year old girlfriend takes care of that.

genoroso are you still promising her to pay for her Catarac operation if she stays with you ?...wait till she sees the truth

Crude oil tumbled 6.8 percent to $43.59 a barrel in New York, the lowest price since January 2005. It has plunged 70 percent since the closing record of $145.29 set in July and may fall below $25 next year if the recession that’s slashing fuel demand around the world spreads to China, Francisco Blanch, commodity strategist at Merrill Lynch, wrote in a report today.

anthonyC, Only your misinformed comments are a joke.

I typically do not respond to other comments because I believe in freedom of opinion. But, I am sadden by the lack of adoption to alternative energies here in the the US.

We will continue to be at risk by the Middle East until we no longer need their product. Not to say we will never need oil, but just not theirs.

If everyone bought solar and or wind the price would drop precipitously. Simple supply and demand model.

Hydrogen fuel cells which the US has used since the early sixties is a fabulous invention. And please do not whine to me a how hard hydrogen is to create and distribute. Read. but not what the spin doctors want you to.

"Clean coal" is a propaganda tool used to try to assuage the public's opinion of coal power enough to build more coal power plants. If there's a vague idea that coal is "clean," then people won't be up in arms about constructing coal-fired power plants.

Even if the money is invested in sequestration technology for a coal power plant, the process takes 10-40% more energy than conventional coal-- which means that 10-40% more coal must be burned to power the process.

I for one want to see oil at $10 a barrel. Not that we can use more and pay less, we still need to pursue alternative energies, like the Manhattan project was run.

But at $10 a barrel the Middle East can not pay for all those expensive capital expenditures they've built.

yumnuk3, Agreed 100%. Just a Spin Doctors wet dream.

Now that is not to say that using alternative energies that a slow but steady process of creating hydrogen from water and coal would be economically viable.

10 dollars is bad for everyone ....that is not in balance and world economy suffers

I apologize in advance for my next sentence, the pain of 9/11 has subsided to a mild roar.

I can only hope in my life time, we can see if they can eat oil and sand.

Oh dear !

on your website search look up clean coal technology

I know more about fuel cell technology and the economics behind that you can possibly learn even if you spent 3 days using Google.

Yes Hydrogen is costly to produce as it uses 3 barrels of Oil to produce enough Hydrogen to equal one barrel.
And Infrastructure is another issue. Do you have a local Hydrogen Station by your home? I know your type. You believe because you think it is good that somehow a magic wand will be waved and "Presto" every corner will have a Hydrogen Station.
Then there is the fact that a fuel cell to power a normal size car costs over $250K. Even with mass production the most optimistic prediction brings the cost of the Fuel Cell alone to between $45-50K in today's Dollars.

gmiller,

You have no clue about me or alternative energies.
I am involved with 3 diffrent alternative energy projects for automobiles. Biodiesel, Plug in Hybrid and Fuel Cell.
I am currently building a VW Rabbit TDI Fueled by bio-diesel, to rally spec for it to compete in a major North American Rally Series.
I am also working with a major manufacturer on a Fuel Cell project.

Hundreds of years of man using coal and we are still here.
CLEAN COAL TECHNOLOGY.
Don't let the Birkenstock wearing Treehugging, anti-Business people fool you.

gmiller261
I made a study once for a client and the cost to extract one barrel of oil from the ground in Saudi Arabia was around US$5 dollars a barrel. That was 4 years ago so the cost should not have fluctuated that much.
So even at $5 they break even.
And the nerve they have along with "por que no te callas" Chavez and the Iranian madman that they are going to slow
production to increase prices, who cares! We all heard that before a million times! ja ja ja. That's a really good one, but I like cowboy jokes a lot better.
Chuck the GD camel jockeys and ragtag heads and let them eat their GD oil mixed with sand!

anthonyC, Forgive me if I do not believe you, typically people that say they do so much only dream they do.

I actually found out I do have a hydrogen fueling station close. And you are way wrong about fuel cells, they will be way cheaper than that in 10 years.

Once again, we built the atomic bomb and dropped it in a little over a year, we went to the moon. If we focused that amount of brain power, anything is possible.

generoso, What I read was with all they capital improvments that sector of the world has made they need $75 a barrel to pay the interest.

gmiller261
No no no. It's just smoke what you read. The oil producing countries were advised many times that if they kept their arms crossed and did nothing to slow down the upward trends of oil prices a lot of
first world economies were going to go into recession, decreasing the consumption and therefore decreasing the demand and causing a drop in prices. As usual the arabs didn't listen or didn't give a f.ck just kept doing business as usual, and kept on frequenting their London casinos dropping millions on a whim and living high on the hog. Now they are crying and begging for mercy....."Oh $75 dollars a barrel is such a just and fair price, we have to pay our debts...oohh poor me". They should have come with that song and dance when dollar was $147 dollars a barrel and going up not now.
No peace for the wicked!
I say, "Chuck them farley"

" Chuck the GD camel jockeys and ragtag heads and let them eat their GD oil mixed with sand!.".....Please use the PC desert people....no need for ethnic slurs

GC
When the hajis are down you have to kick them in their fat ass so they will learn. LOL.

at least you did not call them Dune Monkeys and Rug Riders to your credit

The DR has no money to pay back the loan. and the money is going to go to the PLD members..

“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

and, GC, where are your quotes from the scientists from the other side of the ideological divide?

Dread that is the point these 650 are starting to counter balance the Al Gore BS...UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

Study: Half of warming due to Sun! –Sea Levels Fail to Rise? - Warming Fears in 'Dustbin of History' ......Lets drill Al Gores bald spot for oil ..http://epw.senate.gov/public/inde....8072e-802a-23ad-45f0-274616db87e6