WASHINGTON. - Dominican Republic could produce 100 million gallons of ethanol a year in the cane fields owned by the State Sugar Council (CEA) and which aren’t being planted.
The figure shows that if the country consumes 300 million gallons of gasoline a year, nearly 70 percent of the production would be for export, mainly to the United States, said Onil Abreu Tabar and Julio Alvarez, of the Government’s National Energy Commission (CNE), who represented the country in the U.S. capital in an international conference on biofuels.
In his speech before the National Assembly on February 27, president Leonel Fernandez announced a joint venture of US$500 million between the groups Vicini and Fanjul, to build an ethanol plant capable of producing 50 million gallons a year.
The project could produce up to 100,000 tons of sugar and generate 70 megawatts of electricity.
SOURCE LISTIN DIARIO
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
this is how we ended up with the brazilian fighter planes is it not?.....anything if it brings the price down....let us hope so...
From: United States, Killeen, TX - Home of the 1st Cavalry
While Ethanol is not the panacea for relief of thefuel production, it does represent an effort to alleviate the impact of the price of petroleum products and the impact of that element on the Dominican economy.
There is another company submitting a proposal to the Government to build a biodeisel plant in the area around Manzanillo and use Sunflowers as the medium for production. This effort will bring considerable employment to that area, which is extremely devoid of any opportunities for economic progress. Lets hope the Government looks on this proposal with favor and allows this effort to go forward.
TB
From: United States
to build an ethanol plant capable of producing 50 million gallons a year.
0000
A "Cow Boy Story" now !!!
From: United States
actually, Texas Bill, if people in the Dr are going to grow sunflowers in large quantities, the return on investment is far greater to simply crush the seeds and sell the oil. it is because of the extremely high price of sunflower oil, relative to others such as soy and canola, that sunflower biodiesel is not considered cost effective in the USA at this time.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dredy for once in your life you are correct ....cane technology from Brazil is the only way it works ...and thats how we got the Brazilian fighters
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
what about sugar babies dredy ....what is your position on this piece of junk
Written by: NYCDR, 14 Mar 2008 2:53 PM
From: United States
????
Can you see what has happened to corn syrup and corn derribatibes in the US(the farmers are not growing corn for consumption but for production of fuel). There will soon be a shortage of sugar. Of course, in DR there has always been more than enough of everything. I remember when I was a kid there and there was a shortage of Milk, we had to go to the poor neighborhoods to purchase it and store it. I guess things dont change.
From: United States
actually, NYCDR, since the ethanol is not extracted primarily from kernels but from stalks, hybrid corn , with large woody growths are being cultivated for ethanol production. since corn derivatives come from the kernels, we are looking at shortages of those products
From: United States
actually, how many companies does this last announcement make? throughout the last six months, we have been advised that at least 10 or so firms are coming here to manufacture ethanol and biodiesel. where is the biomass going to come from to keep all these producers functioning? the equipment that makes this stuff is not like a washing machine; we dont just turn it on, do a load of product, then shut it off. these things reach peak efficiency with 24 hour cycles. they are designed, in the main, to run for a month or so continuous cycle, then a one day pause for check and maintenance. they have to be of a certain minimum size to be efficient: we cant just put little factories in the garage. i really wonder if anybody bothers to analyse projects before they undertake them. then again, look at the metro!
Written by: Mangil, 14 Mar 2008 3:42 PM
From: Canada
hummm... slowly but surely, we are getting at it
remember a couple of months earlier, they where talking about ethanol production from waste...
I told you that I was septic about that. Now they talk about sugarcane...interesting.
Written by: Mangil, 14 Mar 2008 3:43 PM
From: Canada
knowing that:
1-Currently, pure ethanol can not be used in vehicules (the limit is +/- 10%)
2-Consequently, DR will have to sell his ethanol production and buy back usable ethanol/fuel blend
3-any increase in the price of ethanol will be reflected in the price of that ethanol/fuel blend
(we can speculate here about the ratio, hopefully 1 for 1 but it could be less... possibly more)
4-The price of corn, cane and others ethanol producing plants will rise with the ever increasing price of ethanol
5-With that increase in value, more and more land will be alowed to ethanol plant production... less to other
6-the price of those "others" products (those used every day in human consumption) will raise too.
Please, explain to me where is the deal for the "average dominican family"...
Written by: Mangil, 14 Mar 2008 3:43 PM
From: Canada
Texasbill, you seem to be a strong advocate of that "ethanol thing"...
you have said earlier: "It does represent an effort to alleviate the impact of the price of petroleum products
and the impact of that element on the Dominican economy."
Can you please elaborate on this
Written by: Mangil, 14 Mar 2008 3:44 PM
From: Canada
From: United States, Killeen, TX - Home of the 1st Cavalry
Mangil:
I am not realy an advocataea of the use of an ethanol mix as a viable replacement for fueling of internal combustion engines. Thisproduct leaves as much "bak" environmental garbage as does gasolene and deisel.
What I was rally advocating was the employment opportunities to be offered to a severly depressed area of the country. Since the 60's, when Trujillo demanded that all future shipments of thebanana crops be shipped from the Santo Domingo Port facillities and the banana company moved out overnight, this area has had virtually no commerce whatsoever and most of thepopulation lives off remittances from relatives in the US.
The company I spoke of contacted me in an effort to gain some information about the area andin doing so briefly outlined their business intentions about what they were to do there. That's all I know abolut it. There is a place in my heart for the people there even though they will steal you blind if given a chance.
From: United States, Killeen, TX - Home of the 1st Cavalry
So,whether or not the "biodeiles" thing is a smokescreen to pave the way for sunflower oil production for export, or what, i have no way of knowing other than what I was told in emails from the company. I thinkthe biodeisel production was more for their own consumption in the production phase of the oil than anything else.
The Northwest and Southwest parts of the DR have long been left to "suck hind teat" by all governments while they concentrate everything on the Eastcentral part of the country. I just happen to think that they are missing a good bet by not expanding the government largess to other parts, isall.
TB
Written by: DaniDr, 14 Mar 2008 6:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
TexasBill, your points area very good. Please add "reduced dependency from middle east" to the formula and ethanol makes quite good sense.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
45 % of autos use ethanol in Brazil it is by far the most advanced ethanol technology in the world..........Voila .....brazilian fighter plains to shoot down druggies or ......as toys for generals
Written by: Mangil, 14 Mar 2008 9:10 PM
From: Canada
"Please add "reduced dependency from middle east" to the formula "
Almost right...
no offence DaniDRbut I think it should read : "reduced United States dependency "
Here's an other very good (long) one directly from the US Forein Affairs:
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/200....ofuels-could-starve-the-poor.htmlTexasbill,
thanks four your input, I personally think that ethanol is not a solution for the DR people...it's not an economical and/or ecological solution for the rest of the world either... but that's just my opinion
anyway, time will tell, there is not much we can do behind our computer screen... I just hope I'm wrong
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Written by: NYCDR, 17 Mar 2008 1:44 PM
From: United States
From: United States
thanks, NYCDR. i took a well needed break, but i am happy to be back in the fold. the best to you and yours, also.
From: United States
Mangil, thanks for the list of articles. one failed to go through, but a lot of info is in the rest of the literature. it is instructive for people to understand the input-output ratios. most of these petroleum substitutes need more energy to produce than they themselves release. to that i ask" what is the point?"
From: United States
I bet you there getting free incentives and exonerations, and then they decide not to proceed after used all benefits !!!
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There is another company submitting a proposal to the Government to build a biodeisel plant in the area around Manzanillo and use Sunflowers as the medium for production. This effort will bring considerable employment to that area, which is extremely devoid of any opportunities for economic progress. Lets hope the Government looks on this proposal with favor and allows this effort to go forward.
TB
0000
A "Cow Boy Story" now !!!
Can you see what has happened to corn syrup and corn derribatibes in the US(the farmers are not growing corn for consumption but for production of fuel). There will soon be a shortage of sugar. Of course, in DR there has always been more than enough of everything. I remember when I was a kid there and there was a shortage of Milk, we had to go to the poor neighborhoods to purchase it and store it. I guess things dont change.
remember a couple of months earlier, they where talking about ethanol production from waste...
I told you that I was septic about that. Now they talk about sugarcane...interesting.
knowing that:
1-Currently, pure ethanol can not be used in vehicules (the limit is +/- 10%)
2-Consequently, DR will have to sell his ethanol production and buy back usable ethanol/fuel blend
3-any increase in the price of ethanol will be reflected in the price of that ethanol/fuel blend
(we can speculate here about the ratio, hopefully 1 for 1 but it could be less... possibly more)
4-The price of corn, cane and others ethanol producing plants will rise with the ever increasing price of ethanol
5-With that increase in value, more and more land will be alowed to ethanol plant production... less to other
6-the price of those "others" products (those used every day in human consumption) will raise too.
Please, explain to me where is the deal for the "average dominican family"...
Texasbill, you seem to be a strong advocate of that "ethanol thing"...
you have said earlier: "It does represent an effort to alleviate the impact of the price of petroleum products
and the impact of that element on the Dominican economy."
Can you please elaborate on this
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=19333
http://www.technologyreview.com/r....p;sc=biofuels&id=18173&a=
http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/July05/ethanol.toocostly.ssl.html
I am not realy an advocataea of the use of an ethanol mix as a viable replacement for fueling of internal combustion engines. Thisproduct leaves as much "bak" environmental garbage as does gasolene and deisel.
What I was rally advocating was the employment opportunities to be offered to a severly depressed area of the country. Since the 60's, when Trujillo demanded that all future shipments of thebanana crops be shipped from the Santo Domingo Port facillities and the banana company moved out overnight, this area has had virtually no commerce whatsoever and most of thepopulation lives off remittances from relatives in the US.
The company I spoke of contacted me in an effort to gain some information about the area andin doing so briefly outlined their business intentions about what they were to do there. That's all I know abolut it. There is a place in my heart for the people there even though they will steal you blind if given a chance.
The Northwest and Southwest parts of the DR have long been left to "suck hind teat" by all governments while they concentrate everything on the Eastcentral part of the country. I just happen to think that they are missing a good bet by not expanding the government largess to other parts, isall.
TB
Almost right...
no offence DaniDRbut I think it should read : "reduced United States dependency "
Here's an other very good (long) one directly from the US Forein Affairs:
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/200....ofuels-could-starve-the-poor.html
Texasbill,
thanks four your input, I personally think that ethanol is not a solution for the DR people...it's not an economical and/or ecological solution for the rest of the world either... but that's just my opinion
anyway, time will tell, there is not much we can do behind our computer screen... I just hope I'm wrong
I dont even have to respond because Mangil from Canada just did!
: )
I hope everything is well with you and your family...
Mangil, 14 Mar 2008 3:44 PM
From: Canada
A few links of interest... some of them already posted
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=19333
http://www.technologyreview.com/r....p;sc=biofuels&id=18173&a=
http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/July05/ethanol.toocostly.ssl.html
cks, I don t even have to respond because
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very common down there, when you want something free !