SANTO DOMINGO.- Some difficulties have so far prevented the Government, the Grupo Vicini and Central Romana Corporation from signing a contract to develop a project to produce ethanol, sugar and electricity in the country’s East region, said today newspaper Hoy quoting sources.
Negotiations between the parts have been virtually suspended in the last few days, though the sources said they’ll be resumed April 2 in Santo Domingo.
Vicini few and Central Romana have forged an alliance to produce 100,000 tons of sugar and 50 million gallons of ethanol, as well as around 700 megawatts of electricity from cane bagasse.
For this they are considering to totally remodel the old mill at Consuelo, in San Pedro, at a cost of around US$500 million.
State Sugar Council (CEA) director Enrique Martinez heads a Government commission for the negotiations
Hoy reports that though the sources didn’t detail the nature of the "small difficulties" confronted, they could be related with the claims sought by the government’s previous partners in Consuelo.
Written by: josean, 24 Mar 2008 8:37 AM
From: United States
Difficulties: in this case means nobody trust anyone!
From: United States
the COMISION issue has yet to be resolved. that is the translation in english!
Written by: BLANCO, 24 Mar 2008 10:04 AM
From: Dominican Republic
DREADLOCKS you may have got it right....to much money involved not to have a little glue on the fingers. why produce here when ther real money is in importing
From: United States
Damn Dominican authorities.
Greedy, small minded, short sighted ignorant people.
Can’t any of these swine do anything without needing kick backs.
Get a job.
From: United States
Like always our neighbors "Hate" and "Dislike" when They see that Dominican Republic is going forwards.
From: Canada
ruby who are you talking about?...... the Brazilians are supplying the technology....I would bet
Written by: JCjua, 24 Mar 2008 11:43 AM
From: United States, New York
This is good stuff.
I hope the government is paying and independent agency to look over the agreements and make sure the DR doesn't get cheated.
They can take all the time need as long as the DR ends up as one of the beneficiaries.
Remember, we want to use the cane bagasse for the production of ethanol. There is not downsize of food production as previously thought by someone else's comments in a related article.
Written by: BLANCO, 24 Mar 2008 11:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic
as usual the insults change the topic. the cane is here and god knows the bio-mass...it is basically the same tech as making alcohol and we got it here whats the problem...if it is suppose to be everything it's suppose to be.....some doubt....
From: Canada
yeah and we got 8 Brazilian jet planes for the generals to play with also
From: Dominican Republic
gouletcolonial;
What, pray tell, do theBrazillian plane have to do with the production of Ethanol???
That is entirely another matter and not germane to the present discullion.
QUIT TRYING TO CHANGE THEOP WITH TOTALLY AALIEN COMMENTARIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In other words, if you can't discuss the subject intelligently, then BUTT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We're ALL getting sick and tired of these posts which don't have to do with the discussion at hand.
TB
Written by: bernies, 24 Mar 2008 3:26 PM
From: United States, falls church va
the problem here is not the people trying to make the deal. It is of the gas stations owners whom will lose lots of income if this project goes through.
And also as we all know somebody has to be paid off in or for the project cross over.
From: Canada
au contraire billy boy...that how we got the planes ....you will see .... then I will say told you so.....so billy boy just pay attention.... and who is we ....you got a rat in your pocket....civility has left you ......and senility has set in....if you cant keep track of bases that closed 20 years ago I would not be questioning anybodies lucidity or intelligence ...thank you very much....now go take a nap
From: United States
now do you see what i have to put up with, Billy?
From: Canada
what a suck up" Dred the Red"
Written by: JCjua, 24 Mar 2008 3:43 PM
From: United States, New York
Goulet, if anyone could just make any sense of what you mean.
BTW, Can you make sense of it?
Bill, I believe if you think a comment is completely out of context you should just report as spam and let DT review and remove the comment if necessary. otherwise just ignore it.
From: United States
Goulet, you are so ungrateful. i am the only person in this forum that bothers with you any more. you should be glad i pay you any attention, or you would be left on an island by yourself. actually, maybe the other posters will soon begin chastising me for encouraging you!!
From: Canada
ethanol technology
From: Canada
a thousand pardons ...but how can that be out of context ...bill is sore because I put down the military stooges private little airforce....toys for the generals.....the Brazilian planes that are ten times dumber than the metro you want to talk waste of money .....come on Bill where is the Quid Pro Quo for those dumb planes
From: Canada
not from corn ....from sugar
From: Canada
out of context ...sorry I hit a nerve bill ....were the generals going to give you a ride ....for old times sake
From: Canada
come on Dred tell bill what a good investment those dumb planes were....how many of your beloved schools would that have paid for....belial will get right on board with you ...this is one of bills pet subjects...break out the silks.....off we go into the wild blue yonder
From: Canada
" In other words, if you can't discuss the subject intelligently, then BUTT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We're ALL getting sick and tired of these posts which don't have to do with the discussion at hand.".....bill you will recall I have never addressed you in a manner such as this ....until today..
Written by: Trujillo, 24 Mar 2008 5:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic
If our politicians were a little brighter then our nation would have already been an industrialized country and an economic and military power in the region, but they have no idea about leadership.
Written by: Trujillo, 24 Mar 2008 5:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
@ gouletcolonial:
The only thing I regret about the purchase of those brazilian planes, is that they aren't powerful enough. The DR needs REAL fighter planes, the Dragon Squadron needs to come back, and every asshole that trespasses our air space to bombard the DR with drugs has to be shot down with no mercy.
From: Dominican Republic
Goulet and rujillo;
The Tuscano planes are capable of andwill do the job if they are employed correctly. I just don't think either of you have the vaguest idea of how and when to deploy military equipment adequately and successfully.
Ispent over 5years as an Intercept Controller, putting Fighters in position for a successful attack against targets andanother 3 years as an Interceptor pilot doing the same thing. I think, by anyone's analysis, that would make me an EXPERT in thedeployment of aerial vehicles in a DEFENSIVE ENVIRONMENT!!!
And, btw, I do not know ANYONE in the Fuerza Aria to geve me a ride. I would snap it up if it were offered, however.
In addition, its not anyone'splace to priortize the allocation of government funds, even we all would like to see a helluva lot more going to Education and Health Care.
I am supportive of that 100%.
Now, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Written by: DaniDr, 24 Mar 2008 6:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
TexasBill,
You are right. The Tuscans are quite capable of controlling the airspace against drug dealers. They are using light propeller planes, which are way slower than the Tuscan. The main problem is detection, not interception. If the DR can use the Tuscans with a good strategy that can actually catch this planes they will succeed. If they can't, it doesn't matter if they had F-16, F-15 or F-22.
By the way, mantainance costs are a lot higher for F-16's or similar aircraft than for Tuscans. Not to mention the kind of training the pilots have to get.
From: United States
how sweet it is hearing from people who actually know what they are talking about. kudos, Texas Bill!
From: Canada
stop playing kissy face with TB and say what you really think about this waste of money.....are you hoping he takes you with him on his fam flite...this has military boondoggle written all over it....you should be ashamed Dred for selling out your principles....you dont have many left.....the technical aspects of these airplanes are irrelevant ....and all that drug interception stuff is hooey....toys for the generals is what this is
Written by: Belial, 25 Mar 2008 10:54 AM
From: United States
"Grupo Vicini," huh, mostly slave dealing capitalists.
0000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sugar_BabiesThe "Sugar Babies" is a feature-length documentary film about human trafficking from Haiti into the Dominican Republic. The film reveals the complicity between the government of the Dominican Republic and the sugar industry in exploiting Haitian immigrants.
The 99 minute film is written, shot, produced and directed by Amy Serrano, produced by Siren Studios and the Hope, Courage and Justice Project [New Orleans] and funded in part by the New York-based Human Rights Foundation.
Synopsis
Though Haitian immigrants have traditionally labored in the sugarcane fields, known as bateys, controlled by individuals such as the sugar barons Alfonso and Pepe Fanjul, and the wealthy Dominican Vicini family (owners of the Grupo Vicini collection of companies and of the Diario Libre newspaper.)
Written by: Belial, 25 Mar 2008 10:58 AM
From: United States
p.2
The film "The Sugar Babies" will enjoy its official "World Premiere" at the Montreal International Film Festival but preview screenings in Paris and Miami have led to controversy.
The Miami screening of the film, which included many members of the hispanic media of South Florida and from the Dominican Republic, was the subject of a cease and desist order one hour before the time of screening, as well as a bribery scandal when several radio producers came forward and denounced that Dominican diplomats had offered them bribes (envelopes filled with cash amounts ranging from $400-$2000) to disrupt the screening and give the film a bad review. As a result, coverage of the film in the Hispanic media bordered on the absurd including criticism of what the director wore to the screening and segment-by-segment criticism of every element in the film.
The Paris screening of the film was also the subject of a sabotage attempt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sugar_BabiesWritten by: Belial, 25 Mar 2008 11:04 AM
From: United States
Free press, free market, free people, yes, and more lies
The bourgeoisie is the filthest scum that has ever existed.
From: United States
Goulet, i agree with you regarding the purchase of these planes: i never once advocated buying them. if you remember the history of my posts, i was for multi purpose helicopters. i stated that the united states uses hh65 dolphins to interdict drug traffic along the coast of puerto rico, and also in the defense of the capital, washington dc. my response is to trujillo, who advocates more formidable air power, perhaps stealth fighters armed with depleted uranium cannon to shoot down cessnas. you are just collaterally included in my response, since you find it necessary to weigh in on every subject!!
Written by: Belial, 25 Mar 2008 11:10 AM
From: United States
Perhaps, the "difficulty" that holds back the project is that somebody, with bad taste or a rare bias in favor of liberty, opposes slavery.
It's unlikely that this possible opponent of the slavery in the ethanol deal is an element of the Cuban-Dominican bourgeoisie which sees all things sugar as its historic province.
Written by: Belial, 25 Mar 2008 11:25 AM
From: United States
Sugar slaveholders, like Vicini family, don't like movies, at all.
Before the attacks of "The Sugar Babies," this:
"The movie, award-winning documentary "The Price of Sugar," has been prohibited in the Dominican Republic. According to the Haitian newspaper "Le Nouvelliste" the public relations firm Patton Boggs (New York) that works for the Vicini family tried to impede the projection of the movie in France. According to the same source the Vicini family has hired the public relations firm Newlink Communications (Miami) of Sergio Roitberg, specialized in the reputation management, to protect the Vicini business interest in the United States, where most of the Dominican sugar is being sold."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_HartleyUS capitalists and reactionaries believe that sugar and ethanol produced with slave labor is far superior to similar products that come from free labor.
From: United States
actually, Belial, those fellows do not believe that anything should be produced from free labor. you and i call it EXPLOITATION: they call it BUSINESS!
Written by: Belial, 25 Mar 2008 11:36 AM
From: United States
Vicini family will not let God interfere with its exploitation of slaves.
"Christopher Hartley is a British-Spanish Catholic priest who has been laboring from 1997 to 2006 among the Haitian sugar cane workers of the bateyes in Los Llanos in the municipality of Boca Chica in the Dominican Republic to bring more humane conditions to their lives and work.
He worked for many years with Mother Teresa in Calcutta and with Latino immigrants in the Bronx.
Father Hartley's work in the Dominican Republic is portrayed in the award-winning documentary The Price of Sugar produced. His activism to improve living and working conditions of Haitian immigrants has brought him into confrontation with the Vicini family that owns the sugar plantations in Los Llanos, and is one of the wealthiest and most influential families of the Dominican Republic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hartley[Vicini family threaten to kill the priest who had to flee for his life.]
Written by: JCjua, 25 Mar 2008 11:38 AM
From: United States, New York
Hey, didn't the officials already said that racism and discrimination are not problems in the DR after the UN report last year?
If they say there is none, there is none.
BTW, the Vicini have a great history in DR. Thus have many other families.
Think about it, they could be the Thomas Jeffersons of the DR.
And since we are right after lent, go ahead and toss the first rock.
From: United States
jC, might you be referring to Thomas Jefferson, the renowned slave owner of historical significance?
Written by: Belial, 25 Mar 2008 11:52 AM
From: United States
"After having received death threats, Hartley left the Dominican Republic in mid-2006. In September 2006 he returned with a delegation of US congressmen to assess the living conditions of the Haitian migrants"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hartley0000
Guess who denounced Father Hartley and the US congressmen who accomapnied Father Hartley on his return trip to the Dominican Republic?
Oh yes.
The pope, no less.
Cardinal Nicolas de Jesus Lopez Rodriguez, the supreme expert on divine beings in the Dominican Republic.
The pope, an intelligence agent for George W. Bush, told Father Hartley to shut up.
Lopez Rodriguez practically cussed out the US congressmen.
It's unclear exactly for whom Lopez Rodriguez speaks ... it's either for God or the pope or Leonel [ the PRD says the cardinal is Leonel's "main spokesman"] or Vicini family.
Lopez Rodriguez is close to all of them, except God.
From: Canada
finally" Dred rhe Red " and belial combine their intellects to defend the indefensible ....as he [dred]condemns local cardinal with anticlerical hate.....his hero " ,WACKO " Christopher Hartley approaches sainthood....this film has no credibility except with DR haters and kooks..... the kooks part covers belial .......dred where do you stand on this terrible piece of hate propaganda
From: United States
Goulet, you forgot to take the prozac today. go and correct that omission before you post again.if you believe that advocating the seperation of church and state is anti-clerical hatred, then i cannot help you. it is not a concept i thought of first: it has been around for centuries. although i will admit disdain for all organised religion, which i find to be self serving assemblies of degenerates and thieves. anyone who can make a living by pontificating upon the afterlife is nothing better than the three card monte grifters found in Times Square. and i have no respect for a religion like catholicism, which fully supported italy in its unprovoked attack on ethiopia in 1935. the erstwhile pope referred to the mustard gas bombardment of civillians as ' A CIVILISING MISSION" don't rile me up, Goulet!
Written by: Belial, 25 Mar 2008 12:05 PM
From: United States
"Hey, didn't the officials already said that racism and discrimination are not problems in the DR after the UN report last year?"
0000
I believe the officials are saying that slavery is not based on the color purple or even the color black, rather it's based on the color green. And, by common consent and by definition, whatever is based on the color green is not a problem, but rather it's a solution.
[In this instance, the color green does not allude to what is environmentally sound.]
Written by: JCjua, 25 Mar 2008 12:08 PM
From: United States, New York
Dreadlocks - yes. The Thomas Jefferson.
From: Canada
we are talking about Wacko priest in movie...do not change the subject to Ethiopia in 1935..
From: Canada
I do not want begin about how nutty rastafari stuff is....that is really out there where the buses dont run
Written by: Belial, 25 Mar 2008 12:20 PM
From: United States
"we are talking about Wacko priest in movie..."
0000
You're forgetting about the latest movie "The Sugar Babies" which is not blessed with a "wacko" priest.
Is the Vicini family your sugar daddy? Are they going to give you any of the ethanol they produce with their slaves? After all, you slave for them, too.
Written by: JCjua, 25 Mar 2008 12:40 PM
From: United States, New York
Belial, I have a camara. I can make a movie.
Wasn't the prist born of a rich family?
There are better ways to fight for a community than trying to bring down the toughest. Even when there are human lives involved.
What now, you're going to contradict Bush for going into war? Isn't that the same thing?
The prist CAN run for his life, how about the prople in the community?
You can get carried away by making a movie. You can also worsen the problem by giving ideas to the wrong party.
From: Canada
that is correct ...what a huge mistake it was teaching belial how to read and write.....but they said "idle hands are the devils workshop" if only they had known
Written by: Belial, 25 Mar 2008 12:51 PM
From: United States
Belial, I have a camara. I can make a movie.
Wasn't the prist born of a rich family?
There are better ways to fight for a community than trying to bring down the toughest. Even when there are human lives involved.
What now, you're going to contradict Bush for going into war? Isn't that the same thing?
The prist CAN run for his life, how about the prople in the community?
0000
"I have a camara. I can make a movie."
For or against slavery?
"Wasn't the prist born of a rich family?"
Father Hartley, born in 1960, grew up in a wealthy family in England, chose to become a priest at the age of 15.
Con't
I
Written by: JCjua, 25 Mar 2008 12:53 PM
From: United States, New York
exactly.
Written by: Belial, 25 Mar 2008 1:04 PM
From: United States
p.2
"There are better ways to fight for a community than trying to bring down the toughest. Even when there are human lives involved."
Can you suggest one "better way?"
I presume by "the toughest," you mean the Vicini family and the like. Some people don't believe that opposing slavery is a way of bringing down anybody, even the slaveholders, especially when human lives are involved. The Vicinis and the like are not as "tough" as they appear against a politicaly conscious and politically active proletariat.
"What now, you're going to contradict Bush for going into war? Isn't that the same thing?"
You sense of relevance eludes me, but yes, I contradict Bush on Iraq regularly. Here's documentation for 1.2 million his policies have exterminated in Iraq.
http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=78"The prist CAN run for his life, how about the prople in the community?"
They can fight for theirs. The priest is an extremely valuable ally.
Written by: JCjua, 25 Mar 2008 1:32 PM
From: United States, New York
Yeah, and go and read the Bible so you convert to religion.
No, I don't want to read sided opinions. I have my own opinions.
If you say something is my choice to follow up and believe in it. You don't have to tell me where to read about it unless you can't say it in your own words.
If you go and believe everything you read and watch I have nothing else to say.
Also, you can point one thing about what I opine, but you don't have to include my whole comment!
I wrote it and I can read it again if I want to, but I already know what I said.
Tell me one thing; did the beatified Blessed Teresa of Calcutta brought shame to anyone in order to help the poor?
From: United States
Belial, you are wasting your time arguing with Goulet, who is an unabashed apologist for racism, exploitation, oppression, victimisation and colonialism. i have never once seen him post ONE sentence in opposition to injustice, or praising those who strive for a better way of life for the underprivileged. i am beginning to be able to triangulate him, or his ilk. maybe he is one of those who were expunged from either cuba or nicaragua or some other country that booted out wealthy slaveowner type oppressors of the poor and indigent. the fact that he can no longer lash a few serfs has him eternally angry, especially at those who dare align themselves with the cause of the oppressed. you and i , who understand that all of us on this planet have an entitlement to basic honor and dignity come across as heretics to people such as these. in their minds, God gave them this planet, and populated it with certain types for their enjoyment and aggrandisement. they are beyond argument.
Written by: Belial, 25 Mar 2008 2:43 PM
From: United States
"Belial, you are wasting your time arguing with Goulet, who is an unabashed apologist for racism, exploitation, oppression, victimisation and colonialism. "
oooo
That's right, but when you live in the USA and, especially, in Texas, you get used to flaming, full-blown, and manic reactionaries.
They are a dime a dozen.
Not long ago, an emminent Aggie scientist suggested using reactionaries ... or, as they prefer to call themselves "conservatives" ... to make fertilizer.
I opposed the idea on the ground that the earth, especially the soil, has already overly abused.
Written by: Belial, 25 Mar 2008 2:49 PM
From: United States
Dreadlocks, there is great reason for hope, vasectomies are in vogue among reactionaries.
Written by: Belial, 25 Mar 2008 3:13 PM
From: United States
"In their minds, God gave them this planet ...," Dreadlocks concludes.
oooo
"God ... instructed me to strike at [Iraq], which I did," George W. Bush declared.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-....e/2005/10/13/AR2005101301688.htmlDreadlocks, I imagine the conversation between George and God went something like this.
GOD: George, didn't I give you the planet?
GEORGE: Ya sa.
GOD: Then Iraq belongs to you.
GEORGE: Ya sa.
GOD: Damn George, go take it.
GEORGE: Ya sa.
Written by: JCjua, 25 Mar 2008 4:25 PM
From: United States, New York
Lets prorate...
Gerge goes to heaven:
George: God why didn't you help me when I needed you the most?
God:why didn't you use the extra force that I sent you?
God: I sent you help and you decided to listen to the other politicians.
From: United States
why does everyone assume George is going to heaven?
Written by: JCjua, 25 Mar 2008 5:15 PM
From: United States, New York
He is not good enough to stay in hell!!!
From: United States
touche, JCJua!!
From: Canada
how clever ,,,,, but as the old texas ranger says stick to the subject or butt out
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Greedy, small minded, short sighted ignorant people.
Can’t any of these swine do anything without needing kick backs.
Get a job.
I hope the government is paying and independent agency to look over the agreements and make sure the DR doesn't get cheated.
They can take all the time need as long as the DR ends up as one of the beneficiaries.
Remember, we want to use the cane bagasse for the production of ethanol. There is not downsize of food production as previously thought by someone else's comments in a related article.
What, pray tell, do theBrazillian plane have to do with the production of Ethanol???
That is entirely another matter and not germane to the present discullion.
QUIT TRYING TO CHANGE THEOP WITH TOTALLY AALIEN COMMENTARIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In other words, if you can't discuss the subject intelligently, then BUTT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We're ALL getting sick and tired of these posts which don't have to do with the discussion at hand.
TB
And also as we all know somebody has to be paid off in or for the project cross over.
BTW, Can you make sense of it?
Bill, I believe if you think a comment is completely out of context you should just report as spam and let DT review and remove the comment if necessary. otherwise just ignore it.
We're ALL getting sick and tired of these posts which don't have to do with the discussion at hand.".....bill you will recall I have never addressed you in a manner such as this ....until today..
The only thing I regret about the purchase of those brazilian planes, is that they aren't powerful enough. The DR needs REAL fighter planes, the Dragon Squadron needs to come back, and every asshole that trespasses our air space to bombard the DR with drugs has to be shot down with no mercy.
The Tuscano planes are capable of andwill do the job if they are employed correctly. I just don't think either of you have the vaguest idea of how and when to deploy military equipment adequately and successfully.
Ispent over 5years as an Intercept Controller, putting Fighters in position for a successful attack against targets andanother 3 years as an Interceptor pilot doing the same thing. I think, by anyone's analysis, that would make me an EXPERT in thedeployment of aerial vehicles in a DEFENSIVE ENVIRONMENT!!!
And, btw, I do not know ANYONE in the Fuerza Aria to geve me a ride. I would snap it up if it were offered, however.
In addition, its not anyone'splace to priortize the allocation of government funds, even we all would like to see a helluva lot more going to Education and Health Care.
I am supportive of that 100%.
Now, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
You are right. The Tuscans are quite capable of controlling the airspace against drug dealers. They are using light propeller planes, which are way slower than the Tuscan. The main problem is detection, not interception. If the DR can use the Tuscans with a good strategy that can actually catch this planes they will succeed. If they can't, it doesn't matter if they had F-16, F-15 or F-22.
By the way, mantainance costs are a lot higher for F-16's or similar aircraft than for Tuscans. Not to mention the kind of training the pilots have to get.
0000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sugar_Babies
The "Sugar Babies" is a feature-length documentary film about human trafficking from Haiti into the Dominican Republic. The film reveals the complicity between the government of the Dominican Republic and the sugar industry in exploiting Haitian immigrants.
The 99 minute film is written, shot, produced and directed by Amy Serrano, produced by Siren Studios and the Hope, Courage and Justice Project [New Orleans] and funded in part by the New York-based Human Rights Foundation.
Synopsis
Though Haitian immigrants have traditionally labored in the sugarcane fields, known as bateys, controlled by individuals such as the sugar barons Alfonso and Pepe Fanjul, and the wealthy Dominican Vicini family (owners of the Grupo Vicini collection of companies and of the Diario Libre newspaper.)
The film "The Sugar Babies" will enjoy its official "World Premiere" at the Montreal International Film Festival but preview screenings in Paris and Miami have led to controversy.
The Miami screening of the film, which included many members of the hispanic media of South Florida and from the Dominican Republic, was the subject of a cease and desist order one hour before the time of screening, as well as a bribery scandal when several radio producers came forward and denounced that Dominican diplomats had offered them bribes (envelopes filled with cash amounts ranging from $400-$2000) to disrupt the screening and give the film a bad review. As a result, coverage of the film in the Hispanic media bordered on the absurd including criticism of what the director wore to the screening and segment-by-segment criticism of every element in the film.
The Paris screening of the film was also the subject of a sabotage attempt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sugar_Babies
The bourgeoisie is the filthest scum that has ever existed.
It's unlikely that this possible opponent of the slavery in the ethanol deal is an element of the Cuban-Dominican bourgeoisie which sees all things sugar as its historic province.
Before the attacks of "The Sugar Babies," this:
"The movie, award-winning documentary "The Price of Sugar," has been prohibited in the Dominican Republic. According to the Haitian newspaper "Le Nouvelliste" the public relations firm Patton Boggs (New York) that works for the Vicini family tried to impede the projection of the movie in France. According to the same source the Vicini family has hired the public relations firm Newlink Communications (Miami) of Sergio Roitberg, specialized in the reputation management, to protect the Vicini business interest in the United States, where most of the Dominican sugar is being sold."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hartley
US capitalists and reactionaries believe that sugar and ethanol produced with slave labor is far superior to similar products that come from free labor.
"Christopher Hartley is a British-Spanish Catholic priest who has been laboring from 1997 to 2006 among the Haitian sugar cane workers of the bateyes in Los Llanos in the municipality of Boca Chica in the Dominican Republic to bring more humane conditions to their lives and work.
He worked for many years with Mother Teresa in Calcutta and with Latino immigrants in the Bronx.
Father Hartley's work in the Dominican Republic is portrayed in the award-winning documentary The Price of Sugar produced. His activism to improve living and working conditions of Haitian immigrants has brought him into confrontation with the Vicini family that owns the sugar plantations in Los Llanos, and is one of the wealthiest and most influential families of the Dominican Republic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hartley
[Vicini family threaten to kill the priest who had to flee for his life.]
If they say there is none, there is none.
BTW, the Vicini have a great history in DR. Thus have many other families.
Think about it, they could be the Thomas Jeffersons of the DR.
And since we are right after lent, go ahead and toss the first rock.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hartley
0000
Guess who denounced Father Hartley and the US congressmen who accomapnied Father Hartley on his return trip to the Dominican Republic?
Oh yes.
The pope, no less.
Cardinal Nicolas de Jesus Lopez Rodriguez, the supreme expert on divine beings in the Dominican Republic.
The pope, an intelligence agent for George W. Bush, told Father Hartley to shut up.
Lopez Rodriguez practically cussed out the US congressmen.
It's unclear exactly for whom Lopez Rodriguez speaks ... it's either for God or the pope or Leonel [ the PRD says the cardinal is Leonel's "main spokesman"] or Vicini family.
Lopez Rodriguez is close to all of them, except God.
0000
I believe the officials are saying that slavery is not based on the color purple or even the color black, rather it's based on the color green. And, by common consent and by definition, whatever is based on the color green is not a problem, but rather it's a solution.
[In this instance, the color green does not allude to what is environmentally sound.]
0000
You're forgetting about the latest movie "The Sugar Babies" which is not blessed with a "wacko" priest.
Is the Vicini family your sugar daddy? Are they going to give you any of the ethanol they produce with their slaves? After all, you slave for them, too.
Wasn't the prist born of a rich family?
There are better ways to fight for a community than trying to bring down the toughest. Even when there are human lives involved.
What now, you're going to contradict Bush for going into war? Isn't that the same thing?
The prist CAN run for his life, how about the prople in the community?
You can get carried away by making a movie. You can also worsen the problem by giving ideas to the wrong party.
Wasn't the prist born of a rich family?
There are better ways to fight for a community than trying to bring down the toughest. Even when there are human lives involved.
What now, you're going to contradict Bush for going into war? Isn't that the same thing?
The prist CAN run for his life, how about the prople in the community?
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"I have a camara. I can make a movie."
For or against slavery?
"Wasn't the prist born of a rich family?"
Father Hartley, born in 1960, grew up in a wealthy family in England, chose to become a priest at the age of 15.
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"There are better ways to fight for a community than trying to bring down the toughest. Even when there are human lives involved."
Can you suggest one "better way?"
I presume by "the toughest," you mean the Vicini family and the like. Some people don't believe that opposing slavery is a way of bringing down anybody, even the slaveholders, especially when human lives are involved. The Vicinis and the like are not as "tough" as they appear against a politicaly conscious and politically active proletariat.
"What now, you're going to contradict Bush for going into war? Isn't that the same thing?"
You sense of relevance eludes me, but yes, I contradict Bush on Iraq regularly. Here's documentation for 1.2 million his policies have exterminated in Iraq.
http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=78
"The prist CAN run for his life, how about the prople in the community?"
They can fight for theirs. The priest is an extremely valuable ally.
No, I don't want to read sided opinions. I have my own opinions.
If you say something is my choice to follow up and believe in it. You don't have to tell me where to read about it unless you can't say it in your own words.
If you go and believe everything you read and watch I have nothing else to say.
Also, you can point one thing about what I opine, but you don't have to include my whole comment!
I wrote it and I can read it again if I want to, but I already know what I said.
Tell me one thing; did the beatified Blessed Teresa of Calcutta brought shame to anyone in order to help the poor?
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That's right, but when you live in the USA and, especially, in Texas, you get used to flaming, full-blown, and manic reactionaries.
They are a dime a dozen.
Not long ago, an emminent Aggie scientist suggested using reactionaries ... or, as they prefer to call themselves "conservatives" ... to make fertilizer.
I opposed the idea on the ground that the earth, especially the soil, has already overly abused.
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"God ... instructed me to strike at [Iraq], which I did," George W. Bush declared.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-....e/2005/10/13/AR2005101301688.html
Dreadlocks, I imagine the conversation between George and God went something like this.
GOD: George, didn't I give you the planet?
GEORGE: Ya sa.
GOD: Then Iraq belongs to you.
GEORGE: Ya sa.
GOD: Damn George, go take it.
GEORGE: Ya sa.
Gerge goes to heaven:
George: God why didn't you help me when I needed you the most?
God:why didn't you use the extra force that I sent you?
God: I sent you help and you decided to listen to the other politicians.