SANTO DOMINGO.- The Labor Minister yesterday said Dominican Republic’s salaries aren’t high enough to cover the basic needs of workers and their families, and will meet next week with representatives of management employees to analyze the union’s proposed 50 percent increase for wages up to RD$30,000.
However Jose Ramon Fadul specified that the Labor Ministry’s National Wage Committee doesn’t have the capacity to take any position tin that regard, and that it’s management which should convene.
In that regard, the president of Dominican businesses grouped in Copardom Maribel Gassó, declined comment, whereas the unions grouped in CNUS are confident they’ll reach an wage increase agreement with management as soon as possible, as workers can’t withstand basic staples at more than RD$19,000 with a RD$7,000 monthly wage.
CNUS rejected waiting until April, 2009 to evaluate a possible raise to the minimum wage, as the law stipulates. The minimum wage ranges from RD$7,000 to RD$3,500, according to the company’s capital.
“The wages in this country are deficient, they aren’t adequate. But I cannot create opinion, because I am the Labor Minister, I’m a referee, but the meeting is set for next week,” Fadul said.
Written by: JEM237, 12 Aug 2008 11:05 AM
From: United States, Newark, NJ/NYC
I know this is way off topic, but WTF is up with this guy's face? Jesus! lol
From: United States, Houston
Before Belial and Scandi start spouting their usual ant-US garbage on how we as a country should be helping the poor more around the world. Look at the following link for the world food program. You will notice that the great societies that they espouse and reccomend do not even care enough about their fellow man to donate, i.e. Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia. Heck even Nicaguara donated 25,000 to the cause of helping the other worldly hungry and they are one of the poorest countries going. So the next time you two start on the how bad we are and do nothing remember this link. And realize that we as a country give more than the next 5 countries combined. Where are the benevolent heads of state that you adore so much?????
http://www.wfp.org/appeals/Wfp_do....x.asp?section=3&sub_section=4Written by: juanb, 12 Aug 2008 12:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Texas:
The failed states that these two clowns so unabashedly adore are as or more corrupt than our own island paradise. The rich in venezuela and cuba live a life of luxury, at the expense of the workers who they love so much. There is a ruling class and a worker class just as it exists every where in the world. Its just that in venezuela and cuba the rich are able to limit the number of people joining their elite status.
From: United States
I don't see how people in the DR .. especially those living in Santo Domingo .. can survive on the wages they earn .. unless they are like those big shot "politicos" making 175,000 pesos per month .. wages need to go up but it will have an impact on the overall cost of production .. that also needs to be carefully looked at ..
Written by: Belial, 12 Aug 2008 3:16 PM
From: United States, Texas
"The failed states that these two clowns so unabashedly adore are as or more corrupt than our own island paradise. The rich in venezuela and cuba live a life of luxury, at the expense of the workers who they love so much. There is a ruling class and a worker class just as it exists every where in the world. Its just that in venezuela and cuba the rich are able to limit the number of people joining their elite status."
OOOO
Political and ideological reactionaries always pass the buck to make their bourgeoisie look good and pretty. Dominican farms and ranches grow food for every Dominican several times over, but 42% of Dominicans live off less that $2 per day, not even enough to feed themselves.
An excess of the food produced in the DR is exported by the Dominican bourgeoisie and the imperialists as a cash crop.
Whom do the reactionaries blame for prevalent malnutrition in the DR?
Cuba and Venezuela.
But the free "Cuban Food Ration Book" takes care of every Cuban.
From: United States
texasshoe, do i take your posting to mean that Cuba and Venezuela do not offer charity to the poor of the world? are you aware that venezuela gives free heating oil to the lowest income groups in the USA? What do you consider Petrocaribe to be, if not a helping hand to financially strapped governments in the region? are you aware that for years Cuba has been donating energy saver lightbulbs to island nations in the caribbean?not to mention medical assistance? i am not one to get into some ferocious political dogfight with you, but , in the interest of fairness, one should recognise the efforts of all people, whether you like them or not. maybe they do not contribute to the food program, but if my neighbor volunteers to pay my rent, should i complain because he did not buy my bread,too?
Written by: Belial, 12 Aug 2008 3:32 PM
From: United States, Texas
US imperialists claim to be generous with food aid, but it's a bunch of lies.
US imperialists used to make the same claim with health care for the poor and sick of the world. But with 100,000 Cuban doctors in 68 countries over the last 20 years and with Cuban-Venezuelan programs like Mission Miracle restoring the eyesight of over 1,000,000 blind people in 4 years, the world sees that all the bragging of the US imperialists in a bunch of lies. Cuba alone is doing 100,000 times more.
The same can be said about US imperialist bragging about its education aid to the poor of the world. Again, a bunch of imperialist lies. The Cuban "Yes,I can" literacy program now applied in over 30 countries and have taught over 2.5 million illiterates to read and write towers above the pettiness of the US imperial effort.
US imperialists now have fallen back on the lie "Well, we give more food aid to poor."
We all know what liars US imperialists are. So, exposure is just a matter of time.
Written by: Belial, 12 Aug 2008 3:45 PM
From: United States, Texas
US imperialist aid is commonly cited as the alleged monetary value of the aid, not the physical quantity of the aid actually deivered ... such as, 1000 bushels, 4 tons, 5000 surgical operations, etc. ....and the alleged monetary value of the aid ... $1 million worth or $100 million worth or even $1billion worth, etc ... is determined by a combination of twisted national income accounting and caprice.
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera, M.T.S.
Wow, the initial comments disgust me! Instead of commenting lack of humanity of such low wages, some of you take cheap shots. You should really try to put yourself in the shoes of these poor people who earn in a month, what some of you may spend on one meal. Would you not want an increase in wage? would you not be a disillusioned with democracy and capitalism if you see that nothing you do will help you advance in life?
People, please try to see things from another point of view, not from your comfortable office chairs, or bar stools.
From: United States, Houston
Dread,
You've got me wrong on that one, what I said was they do not participate in the world food program to help alleviate hunger. Petrocaribe on the other hand is a mechinisim in which developing / underdeveloped economy nations can purchase raw pertoleum and or refined products at a set price below world free trade prices for a portion and a favorable interest rates are given on the other portion. If the said member nations do nothing to lower the price in their own country and rather sell the reduced price commodity to another nation at market value, where is the assistance to the public. In theory the DR for example should be able to lower the price at the pump because they are buying crude at a significant markdown but from everything I have seen the price has pretty much stayed the same. If the membership only benefits the government in cash flow and they do not share the savings.........
From: United States, Houston
........Through reduced pump price, lower power generation costs, end user fees or reduced purchase price for diesel for farms resulting in lower food prices what is the point. In theory.....just like comminisim, and socialsim the give away programs do not work in the end. Belial, like I responded in another post, the crap that you quote here about Cuba are outright propaganda. I know cubans that have been sent to Venezuela as doctors, social workers etc. on the cuban - venezuelan effort and more than 1000, yes one-thousand have made their way to Colombia or Panama and are now here in the US. Once again I ask you, if it is such a paridise why do they risk everything to escape......... In cuba you own nothing, your home the chickens you feed, the one cow-All property of the state. You can not kill a chicken that you have raised from an egg to consume because it is not yours. BUT you must take care of it. How messed up is that.
From: United States, Houston
you have never heard me bellittle the medical treatment the cubans offer around the world, I think that is great. But you also NEVER mention the teams of US doctors that travel extensively to Central and South america preforming surgeries for nothing and to Africa as well, why not, in your eyes we do not do that. The US is one of the biggest giving nations in all regards, food programs, distaster relief, Medical treatments, nation building, you name it and this great nation is there doing it as well. You only care to mention what you consider "the great Socities" in these programs. Bangladesh has sent soldiers to every, every UN mission around the world and yet they are one of the poorest out there.
Written by: lcabrera, 12 Aug 2008 5:21 PM
From: United States
This is enougghh, we need a revolution!!!! or Mona Passage going to gulps down all Dominicans!!!!!!!...... GOD HELPS US ALL.
From: United States, Houston
Dread,
I think that Cuba giving away the energy saving light bulbs is great, but if your electricity bill never goes down because the Petrocaribe savings were never extended to the public, whats the point. If everyone on the Island, like in Venezuela and Peru just hook up to the grid and refuse to pay for the services they are stealing, how will it ever get better. Wages in the DR are like that of Venezuela. $209.00 USD per month or 6906 pesos. THere it does not cover basic need either, much less clothes, shoes etc. My point of all this was and still is for Belial, if you are going to defend Fidel, Hugo, Evo and to some extent Lionel. SHow me what their great governements and Social programs have done to lift up their own people. In order to truly help others ones own house must be in order.
From: United States, Houston
In May while I was visiting my family in Venezuela, the minimum wage was elevated to 450,000 Bs. per month that same day the price of platinos, mangos, avacados also went up. Now I ask you, the tree had fruit on it, it is growning on your property you have no expense except your energy to go pick it and bring it to market to sell and yet the price doubled in one afternoon. If you do not think that the same will happen there in the DR if a signicant wage increase in given you are sadly mistaken. On the other hand I had guys working for me that made the current monthly wage on a weekly basis (petroleum industry) get paid cash on Friday and be broke on Monday. Now you can not blame me for the fact they drank all their money or spent it on chicas. It is not the fault of DEMS, REPUB, Socialists or communists. Until these folks realize you have to save and life is not a party -all the time. Countries like those will never advance like they should.
Written by: Matthew, 12 Aug 2008 9:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Party all the time??? maybe for the Gringos.....at 7,000 pesos a month save what?
From: United States
Why is it that people refuse to see the true about the political situations of all the countries in the world. Wages are unfair and this is about D.R., but as I had stated before in D.R. they don't care cause what they see is the dominicans who are receiving mainly dollars from the U.S. Business are doing well even private schools. By the middle of August most schools will start and many parents will have to digget deep to come up with enough money to cover the costs of the required items for the school year. As a parent living abroad and my wife living in D.R., I must send extra money to cover the extra-expenses. I, myself wonder just how parents that don't have anyone to help them survived. I can't help but to think that everytime my wife buy milk for our sons, all the many children that don't even drink a decent glass of water. This is how much governments are caring for their citezens. There is no food shortest in the world only governments irresponsibilities.
Written by: Belial, 13 Aug 2008 2:45 AM
From: United States, Texas
PETROCARIBE Ag Meet Starts in Cuba
http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID={DC23124B-8D0C-4279-B79D-7172C71AF413})&language=EN
Havana, Aug 12 Cuban Foreign Investment Minister Marta Lomas opened Tuesday the 2nd ministerial meeting of the PETROCARIBE ag council.
The Cuban official said the meeting is being held just a month after the 5th PETROCARIBE Summit in Venezuela, where they approved the creation of an oil Fund to develop agricultural-food programs.
The first ministerial ag meeting was held in Honduras last month
Lomas said PETROCARIBE is working to face up to the grave food crisis due to oil speculation, protectionist measures by developed capitalist nations, and the use of food as fuel.
The ministers and experts in the meeting will also propose ways to manage the oil Fund, which will be devoted to food production, agricultural innovation, and agricultural development plans for the member countries of the integration mechanism.
Written by: Belial, 13 Aug 2008 3:03 AM
From: United States, Texas
The DR was represented at the Tuesday ag meeting in Havana yesterday and has a big voice in the deliberations because the DR is the most important regional food-producing power in PETROCARIBE.
However, the DR is widely seem in LA/C as country that knows how to produce a lot of food but lacks the ethics to distribute the food even to its own people, preferring greedily to export an excess of the food it produces for profit to imperialist markets.
The "Fund" referred to in the earlier post is an extra 50 cents tacked on to the price of each barrel of oil that Venezuela sells to non-PETROCARIBE countries, principally USA and EU oil consumers
According to my calculations posted last month in this forum, the Fund generates revenue of about $800,000 per day.
The purpose of last month meeting of PETROCARIBE ag ministers in Honduras and yesterday's meeting in Havana is to figure out the best way for the members to use the $800,000 per day to relieve the food crisis.
Written by: Belial, 13 Aug 2008 3:10 AM
From: United States, Texas
Meanwhile, the US imperialists and their propaganda running dogs are running around, barking, irrigating trees, and telling a bunch of lies about the "billions of dollars" of food aid they supposedly ship to the LA/C region to relieve the food crisis, when in reality the US imperialists aren't doing anything but telling big lies, one after another.
If the US imperialists actually shipped half of the food they claim they ship, there wouldn't be a food crisis.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
Tex those American doctors that travel and do work for the poor are real doctors not Havana cab drivers
From: Denmark
gc
are u back? Oh was I surprised - Americans are world champions by birth - all others are weenies - commies - dune ... - incompetents - lazy asses etc etc.
by the way welcome back!!!!!
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
Come on Scandi own up to it you were probably born their or Canada and got spoiled and turned into a whiner .....Good Morning
From: United States, Houston
From: United States
Where there are people there is a country with a name and a government of some sort. Where there is a country, within there are stores that sell foods and other items. There are officials who are eating the finest food and their children too. Where there is a country, there are natural resources as well as human resources. Where there is a country there is a fortune big enough for all who live within it. It is a shame and an embarresment to those who run such a country to have pictures showned of their citizens suffering from starvations and other social ills. It is a shame on other nations, both governmental and private to present a plan of donations as if the problem is one of the incapabilities of a nation not being able to provide cause of some natural dissaster. There are no poor countries in the world and where there is such a country then count all of their luxuries. Its a crime conducted by said government.
Written by: Belial, 13 Aug 2008 10:49 AM
From: United States, Texas
" You will notice that the study was NOT conducted by the evil empire, or enemys of Chavez>"
oooo
What is the New Republic but the evil empire?
From: United States, Houston
Belial,
You have to READ the story and who authored it not who picked it up on the wire services. Oh, I forget there were no pictures to look at. I will see if I can get someone to come over and read it to you since you obviously missed that part.
From: Denmark
texasshoe
Im still awaiting your figures - why does it take so long or are u just ashamed - if u are I might take it you have a heart
From: Denmark
texasshoe
comon dont chicken out - take it as a man - or perhaps give us another outer space explanation - so at least with all the serious stoff we can have a good laugh
From: United States, Houston
Hey Scandi,
Good to hear your back, if you are from Denmark I can at least understand your liberal eurotrash point of view it is something you are brought up with,
BTW
If you want to give someone homework do it yourself. And I do not quite get what you mean "take it like a man" or do you mean like you a woman o como se dice en Venezuela "como una marisca" I would bet you like to be on the recieving end of the bargin.
From: Denmark
texasshoe
now I got u the info - hopefully u have been looking into it - but probably u see this as yet another commie propaganda - do u think we have a problem in this world? - do u think we should do someting about this missery? - the way it is do u think we have done right? - do u think all of us has a responsibilty to do so? do u think our companies should have a certain degree of social awareness and resposibility? dont u think it would be good for business that the 1-2 billion people had a few bucks to buy products for? will u rather sit stiil and have the same situation turn your back to it and give a damn and just say to yourself these people are just secondhands just there to be exploited for us to get richer?
And by the way I go for capitalism based on social awareness - not the type u obviously love so much - all in my pockets - give a shit about everybody else
From: Denmark
texasshoe
No comments after 21 hrs - lost your tongue? - or were the info to overwhelming for u to come up with arguments backing up your selfrightness?
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
scandi quit jerking yourself off with all this cut and pace and tell us what is your connection to this part of the world
From: Denmark
gc
was it the cut and paste u didnt like or was it how the information came out? why not discuss the content of this information? dont fit your mind? I am sorry but truth hurts some times, that is if you are not too brainwash to accept the truth. Now go and enjoy your dinner - whats up for the plate today? nice wine too? dont overdue
From: United States, Houston
Scandi,
Been busy at work or I would have answered sooner.
Very good you dug up some information, however, the chart and percentage is how much a country donates percentage wise verses the amount they spend on military upkeep and purchases. However further into the article there is a graph that shows verses GDP and the USA is not ranked in the top 10. But in shear dollars donated by all the countries tracked they are number one. Statistics can be used to back up any augument but I fail to see the the point of what you present, when the issue here is wages in the DR and the inability of that wage to cover the basic needs of food, clothing and shelter. Almost every country has different methods for applying social benefits some are mandated some are used as competetive tool by employers. The company that I used to work for had one of the lowest participation rates in the health insurance program that I had ever seen, but is was a choice the employees made and not the company.
From: United States, Houston
The DR has some fairly strict laws regarding benefits that are due to the employees such as vacation time, pay for work at night, holiday pay, termination of contract etc. etc. By countries mandating by labor law detail after detail it stiffiels competition. There are no bargining chips for employers to use in regards to better insurance coverage, better retirement plan and so on. When this occurs everyone begins to pay the same rates of pay so unless your the boss you always make the same money until a decree is issued raising the minimum wage. Having visited the DR in preperation for a business venture there and having worked in Venezuela for years the systems are very similar and the end result is almost identical. Whose system is best, i guess it would depend who you ask. I will give you an example and use myself as the subject.
From: United States, Houston
Suppose I was working in Venezuela for a Venezuelan company as a floor supervisor at a fabrication facility and the pay was $500.00 per month. I know of another company in the next town that manufactures the same thing and I have a couple of buddies that work there. They both talk to thier boss and he would like for me to come to work for him but the pay is only $500.00 per month and I will receive the same benefits as mandated by the governement at the new place as I make now. My accumulated Utiidades, bono, escolar etc. yada, yada will be paid to me at 50% if I quit and to quit to make the same money is not worth it and the other company will not pay more. That type of system ensures that all employers end up with full staffs, poor customers service (because as an employer if I fire someone I have to pay 200% of their social benefits) and I will not incur and additional expense by adding a voluntary benefit...........
From: United States
texasshoe, just an aside. one of the counterproductive labor laws in the DR is the severance or liquidation law. anyone who works for you for more than 3 months is entitled to liquidation if you terminate them. if your business folds, through no fault of your own, you still owe them! so, if your building burns down, and all your equipment is destroyed, you still have the additional burden of paying ex employees. what this creates is a situation in which crafty business people hire employees for 2 months and 2 weeks, then fire them before the qualification for liquidation kicks in. what this results in is a pool of revolving laborers, who go from place to place every three months , looking for work. they never get to spend enough time at one job to learn anything, and the employer does not get the benefit of experienced , knowledgeable workers.
From: United States, Houston
because I would have to raise my price of goods sold. In Venezuela if I offer a special incentive to one employee the law states that I must offer it to everyone regardles of the type employee they are.
Dread,
That is what I said, it is crazy. In Venezuela it is 6 months and Chavez passed a law saying that you can not fire anyone, so you have businneses with full staffs but they don not turn on the lights because they can not afford the bill.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
I prefer the tried and true system of hiring Illegal aliens and paying them monthly ...when payday comes around then you call immigration and turn them in ...This does wonders for your bottom line and keeps those expenses down....Dread taught me this system and I am indebted to him he is also expert at cooking the books
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
Scandi you better shape up or the Russians and the Desert people will be moving in with you.....Then you will be begging your Uncle Sugar for help again....or you will have to move to Thule
From: United States
why, Goulet, i thought that you had fled the hemisphere in response to my announcement that i wanted an apartment in your neighborhood. and why are you divulging my most closely guarded labor relations secrets, for general consumption? soon, locals will be applying those cutting edge ideas, ridding themselves of employees come payday!!
From: Denmark
gc
dont u worry we are so very close to the Kosacks keeping a sharp outlook at all the time - anyway i suppose we are to much of the "American interest" - so would probably not have to ask for it - if not I would regroup at the Bouvet Island if u get my drift
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
Scandi where were you out having a few sunday beers
From: Denmark
gc
thats the shit about this 12/12 and no alchol within a 100 miles so i cant blame on the toxic
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
at this time of year it probably stays light till 11pm
From: United States
where, GC? IN MURMANSK?
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
scandis up there where the buses dont run
From: Denmark
gc
you are quit right only Sikorski's+puma's here - I thought u got the clue with the Bouvet
or since u a maple should know Little . . . . . .
?
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
dont forget to wear your mittens
From: Denmark
gc
I'll soon be in my tropical wear enjoying Presidente 1st time - which spots best of the night in SD?
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
scandi send me an email gouletcolonial @yahoo.com if you are coming to town
From: United States
scandi, are you asking Goulet about night spots? dude is in bed by 8pm. he does all his sharking on the conde between 2 and 4pm, when the college girls are out in droves. then , he goes home to change the shirt he has drooled all over while watching all those pulchritudinous examples of womanhood. as they say here " a lot of steam, very little chocolate" . at least he can point you to a scrumptious breakfast and salubrious lodgings, if little else.
From: Denmark
Oh I will have to keep a sharp lookout only otherwise I will have that Presidente hard on my head
by the beauty next to me
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
hey man you tellin all my secrets
From: United States
yes, exercise caution, my friend. Goulet, what is the name of that restaurant at the end of the conde where you hang out and lurk in the afternoons? you know, the one across the street from the overworked payphone?
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
cafe paco at far end inhabited by people well below my station and the Cafe Conde in the park much more cosmopolitan....my office is right next door
From: Denmark
dread
it sounds like gc got quite a nice hobby there but what the heck would he need breakfast twice
From: Malta, Malta Goya, La marca del momento esta pa ti
Written by: gouletcolonial, 17 Aug 2008 11:25 PM
From: Canada
cafe paco at far end inhabited by people well below my station and the Cafe Conde in the park much more cosmopolitan....my office is right next door
I have been there all the time, it sounds like you spy on the people who hang out in front of Caamaño's old HQ
From: Malta, Malta Goya, La marca del momento esta pa ti
Look it’s almost impossible, for the average Dominican to survive. Plus the price of real estate is getting to too expansive for even the Dominican that lives and works outside of DR. You have Europeans buying everything, you La Romana owned by the U.S. for more then 100 years. Most of tourist properties are owned by none Dominicans. This means that the money that they make is being taken out of the country.
Juan Bosch tried to make it that only Dominican Could buy land in DR, but the U.S. took him out of power…. And killed thousands of Dominicans when they tried to get him back….
From: Malta, Malta Goya, La marca del momento esta pa ti
At least we have a train to take us to those low paying jobs, then we can pay high as hell taxes for the train, and everthing else this jerk pres wants to buy ...
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
chill why dont you go live in the workers paradise Cuba....with your philosophy you fit right in....you coiuld even get a job there as a prison guard....raul will welcome you ....better hurry while it lasts
From: United States
chill, i said everything you have just written, but they say i am just a malcontent!
From: United States
ah, yes, GC: Paco's. i realise it might be a little low brow for a man of your lofty status, and they do not serve Chateau Lafite. but the beer is cold, and the college cuties are hot. that works for me, thank you kindly.
From: United States
your office, GC? are you hiring?
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
come to the other end of the Conde next time and call me.....
From: United States
the other end? you mean the end populated by the hoi polloi of urbane society? the one at the promenade where the cigar stores are? i will shoot you a message in the forum.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
Let me know ....I am counting the moments
From: United States
i hope you are not counting them by the ticking of the time bomb you have waiting for me.
From: United States
GC, please shoot me a message in the forum. i am having a PC glitch in the composition section. ah, the joys of an old, tired PC, not to mention its old, tired user.
From: Denmark
Chill
instead of having all these foreign companies and foreigners exploiting u and discriminate u in your own country u should force your gov. to impose heavy taxes for the use of your country to make profit. But be careful with the guys in La Romana they probably got american passports - like the south ossetians on Georgian territorium having russian passports - if you get my drift.
Whether in DR or in Cuba or anywere else were foreigners are there for the profit still the people of those countries are getting nothing but "the mushroom treatment" and the foreigners all the goodies of the said country. Unless the rich will decrease their profits u will be kept in place.
From: United States, Houston
Scandi,
You obviously did not read my earlier posts on the labor regulations. Besides the items stated there, all foreign firms must have a Dominican owned Company / Registered Dominican Company with majority Dominican ownership as a partner of not less than 50%. Or form a corporation of at least 7 shareholders. Any and all expatriate personnel regardless of citizenship must posses a valid work permit and said permeit is granted on a yearly basis PROVIDED you as a company demonstrated that a Dominican Citizen can not perform the duties of the position. On Top of that you must open an office in the country / establish a local subsiderary of the foreign company. You must deposit into the bank a value of not less than six months worth of potential contract value which once deposited can not be touched until 6 months after contract termination to ensure compliance of mandated labor payouts...................
From: United States, Houston
........However all of that notwithstanding, the DR is a business friendly enviroment and international banking allows transfer of funds. Trust me, having worked in Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil and a loooong time ago in Peru, the governments ensure you do not skip town without treating your employees correctly and of course your taxes due to the local and federal tax agencies.
From: Denmark
texasshoe
"the DR is a business friendly enviroment "
and if it had been a worker friendly environment as well it wouldnt have been a hell of a lot of poor people heading for the garbage dumps. Capitalism works only if you tame the beast. Your system will only create repulsive richness and repulsive poorness.
The only way for workers are to have strong and responsible unions to have power enough to get out of the misery - your way texasshoe it will all stay the same way.
And dont give me the crap about corrupt unions. There are unions of every kind taking care of their members interests. Greed, money and corruption go hand in hand and are everywere.
From: United States, Houston
Scandi,
and where are you working doing your 12 / 12's supporting the company you are working for???? is that 28-28 or some other grueling schedule?
and btw, calm down you asked for my opinion on the pieces you sent to me and I made my comments with no derrogatory remarks about unions, populace or the way that I do business. One of the items you obviously do get is that in the line of work we are both in, is that the work is competetivly bid and normally the low bidder gets the work (works that way pretty much everywhere in the world). In my earlier posts there was no mention of unions only governmental dictates that tie the hand of the companies and employees alike. The same regulations that the latin countries place on labor are the same ones that put them down and keep them there. do me a favor and read my other responses before accusing me of taking advantage of the workers when I am only doing what the government dictates I do
From: United States, Houston
and one more item, without poeple like me doing what I do, people like you would not be doing what you do where you are at the wage you earn. I do not make the labor regulations in the places that we work I abide by them so that may continue to work there. In the event the governements of the varoius places wished to double or triple the wages of the workers, my contracts allow for mandated increases and the end client foots the bill. That is capitalism in action
From: Denmark
texasshoe
You know very well that the lobbyists are not the workers or the poor but the powerful corporates and rich and hence getting it the way they want.
"is that the work is competetivly bid and normally the low bidder gets the work (works that way pretty much everywhere in the world)." Oh thats what globalization is all about - move around and exploit everywere you can to make more profit - without even having a scent of decency to pay the workers a minimum to provide for their families.
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From: Denmark
Without people around the world to exploit there wouldnt be any corporates either - this is all about having a bit of humanity to share since both are dependent on each other.
It looks like u are very satified with the state on this planet, hence you are accepting 2 billions people in misery and 25-30000 kids dieing every day - arguing that how the state is is solely because of governments in these countries.
I take it you are in the oil business - if a oil company are dealing with these governments are accomplice to robbery and hence should be liable of lawsuits at any time.
From: United States, Houston
No not in the oil business and never said I was. What I said was that when the governments of the world dictate what you have to pay, social benefits etc. states it in its request for proposal I bid to the proposal, its my fault the people do not earn a decent wage. I can tell you that on every job I am responsible for almost to the person they make more than what is required by LAW in the particular country.
From: United States, Houston
Look at the countries where the children are dying and look at thier governments and see how they are run, what style of government are they?? Therein lies your answer. I am a small business btw and the vast majortity of people in this country work for people like me not corporations.
From: Denmark
blameing everybody else its the easiest way out - the way I understand u u dont need noby else including goverments as well to tell u whats right or wrong - decent or not and thats what it should be like, but then u are reponsible for what u are doing
"I can tell you that on every job I am responsible for almost to the person they make more than what is required by LAW in the particular country"
If u are paying decent wages that these people working for u are happy with and can live a decent life thats ok. If not u and u alone are responsible for their misery - , if your profit is a living they can only dream about.
Only u and your workers know the facts.
From: United States, Houston
A Choice?!?
We in Denmark cannot figure out why you are even bothering to hold an election.
On one side, you have a bitch who is a lawyer, married to a lawyer . . . and a lawyer who is married to a bitch who is a lawyer.
On the other side, you have a war hero married to a good looking woman with big tits who owns a beer distributorship. Is there a contest here?
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
Tex you got that right
From: Denmark
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http://www.wfp.org/appeals/Wfp_do....x.asp?section=3&sub_section=4
The failed states that these two clowns so unabashedly adore are as or more corrupt than our own island paradise. The rich in venezuela and cuba live a life of luxury, at the expense of the workers who they love so much. There is a ruling class and a worker class just as it exists every where in the world. Its just that in venezuela and cuba the rich are able to limit the number of people joining their elite status.
OOOO
Political and ideological reactionaries always pass the buck to make their bourgeoisie look good and pretty. Dominican farms and ranches grow food for every Dominican several times over, but 42% of Dominicans live off less that $2 per day, not even enough to feed themselves.
An excess of the food produced in the DR is exported by the Dominican bourgeoisie and the imperialists as a cash crop.
Whom do the reactionaries blame for prevalent malnutrition in the DR?
Cuba and Venezuela.
But the free "Cuban Food Ration Book" takes care of every Cuban.
US imperialists used to make the same claim with health care for the poor and sick of the world. But with 100,000 Cuban doctors in 68 countries over the last 20 years and with Cuban-Venezuelan programs like Mission Miracle restoring the eyesight of over 1,000,000 blind people in 4 years, the world sees that all the bragging of the US imperialists in a bunch of lies. Cuba alone is doing 100,000 times more.
The same can be said about US imperialist bragging about its education aid to the poor of the world. Again, a bunch of imperialist lies. The Cuban "Yes,I can" literacy program now applied in over 30 countries and have taught over 2.5 million illiterates to read and write towers above the pettiness of the US imperial effort.
US imperialists now have fallen back on the lie "Well, we give more food aid to poor."
We all know what liars US imperialists are. So, exposure is just a matter of time.
People, please try to see things from another point of view, not from your comfortable office chairs, or bar stools.
You've got me wrong on that one, what I said was they do not participate in the world food program to help alleviate hunger. Petrocaribe on the other hand is a mechinisim in which developing / underdeveloped economy nations can purchase raw pertoleum and or refined products at a set price below world free trade prices for a portion and a favorable interest rates are given on the other portion. If the said member nations do nothing to lower the price in their own country and rather sell the reduced price commodity to another nation at market value, where is the assistance to the public. In theory the DR for example should be able to lower the price at the pump because they are buying crude at a significant markdown but from everything I have seen the price has pretty much stayed the same. If the membership only benefits the government in cash flow and they do not share the savings.........
I think that Cuba giving away the energy saving light bulbs is great, but if your electricity bill never goes down because the Petrocaribe savings were never extended to the public, whats the point. If everyone on the Island, like in Venezuela and Peru just hook up to the grid and refuse to pay for the services they are stealing, how will it ever get better. Wages in the DR are like that of Venezuela. $209.00 USD per month or 6906 pesos. THere it does not cover basic need either, much less clothes, shoes etc. My point of all this was and still is for Belial, if you are going to defend Fidel, Hugo, Evo and to some extent Lionel. SHow me what their great governements and Social programs have done to lift up their own people. In order to truly help others ones own house must be in order.
Thank you for educating me - will be back soon with my opinion - in the meantime can u please update the link
http://www.wfp.org/appeals/Wfp_do....x.asp?section=3&sub_section=4
to read percentage of each countries BNP - please enlighten all of us with the figures
http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID={DC23124B-8D0C-4279-B79D-7172C71AF413})&language=EN
Havana, Aug 12 Cuban Foreign Investment Minister Marta Lomas opened Tuesday the 2nd ministerial meeting of the PETROCARIBE ag council.
The Cuban official said the meeting is being held just a month after the 5th PETROCARIBE Summit in Venezuela, where they approved the creation of an oil Fund to develop agricultural-food programs.
The first ministerial ag meeting was held in Honduras last month
Lomas said PETROCARIBE is working to face up to the grave food crisis due to oil speculation, protectionist measures by developed capitalist nations, and the use of food as fuel.
The ministers and experts in the meeting will also propose ways to manage the oil Fund, which will be devoted to food production, agricultural innovation, and agricultural development plans for the member countries of the integration mechanism.
However, the DR is widely seem in LA/C as country that knows how to produce a lot of food but lacks the ethics to distribute the food even to its own people, preferring greedily to export an excess of the food it produces for profit to imperialist markets.
The "Fund" referred to in the earlier post is an extra 50 cents tacked on to the price of each barrel of oil that Venezuela sells to non-PETROCARIBE countries, principally USA and EU oil consumers
According to my calculations posted last month in this forum, the Fund generates revenue of about $800,000 per day.
The purpose of last month meeting of PETROCARIBE ag ministers in Honduras and yesterday's meeting in Havana is to figure out the best way for the members to use the $800,000 per day to relieve the food crisis.
If the US imperialists actually shipped half of the food they claim they ship, there wouldn't be a food crisis.
are u back? Oh was I surprised - Americans are world champions by birth - all others are weenies - commies - dune ... - incompetents - lazy asses etc etc.
by the way welcome back!!!!!
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story....6e972-b1a1-4ef0-8cb9-a89d86fda9ac
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What is the New Republic but the evil empire?
You have to READ the story and who authored it not who picked it up on the wire services. Oh, I forget there were no pictures to look at. I will see if I can get someone to come over and read it to you since you obviously missed that part.
Im still awaiting your figures - why does it take so long or are u just ashamed - if u are I might take it you have a heart
comon dont chicken out - take it as a man - or perhaps give us another outer space explanation - so at least with all the serious stoff we can have a good laugh
Good to hear your back, if you are from Denmark I can at least understand your liberal eurotrash point of view it is something you are brought up with,
BTW
If you want to give someone homework do it yourself. And I do not quite get what you mean "take it like a man" or do you mean like you a woman o como se dice en Venezuela "como una marisca" I would bet you like to be on the recieving end of the bargin.
do I hear some more bragging?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph....economy-commitment-to-foreign-aid
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_chi_pov-economy-child-poverty
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0930884.html
http://www.globalissues.org/article/35/us-and-foreign-aid-assistance
If so u must have your sunglasses on.
Any comments?
now I got u the info - hopefully u have been looking into it - but probably u see this as yet another commie propaganda - do u think we have a problem in this world? - do u think we should do someting about this missery? - the way it is do u think we have done right? - do u think all of us has a responsibilty to do so? do u think our companies should have a certain degree of social awareness and resposibility? dont u think it would be good for business that the 1-2 billion people had a few bucks to buy products for? will u rather sit stiil and have the same situation turn your back to it and give a damn and just say to yourself these people are just secondhands just there to be exploited for us to get richer?
And by the way I go for capitalism based on social awareness - not the type u obviously love so much - all in my pockets - give a shit about everybody else
No comments after 21 hrs - lost your tongue? - or were the info to overwhelming for u to come up with arguments backing up your selfrightness?
was it the cut and paste u didnt like or was it how the information came out? why not discuss the content of this information? dont fit your mind? I am sorry but truth hurts some times, that is if you are not too brainwash to accept the truth. Now go and enjoy your dinner - whats up for the plate today? nice wine too? dont overdue
Been busy at work or I would have answered sooner.
Very good you dug up some information, however, the chart and percentage is how much a country donates percentage wise verses the amount they spend on military upkeep and purchases. However further into the article there is a graph that shows verses GDP and the USA is not ranked in the top 10. But in shear dollars donated by all the countries tracked they are number one. Statistics can be used to back up any augument but I fail to see the the point of what you present, when the issue here is wages in the DR and the inability of that wage to cover the basic needs of food, clothing and shelter. Almost every country has different methods for applying social benefits some are mandated some are used as competetive tool by employers. The company that I used to work for had one of the lowest participation rates in the health insurance program that I had ever seen, but is was a choice the employees made and not the company.
Dread,
That is what I said, it is crazy. In Venezuela it is 6 months and Chavez passed a law saying that you can not fire anyone, so you have businneses with full staffs but they don not turn on the lights because they can not afford the bill.
dont u worry we are so very close to the Kosacks keeping a sharp outlook at all the time - anyway i suppose we are to much of the "American interest" - so would probably not have to ask for it - if not I would regroup at the Bouvet Island if u get my drift
thats the shit about this 12/12 and no alchol within a 100 miles so i cant blame on the toxic
you are quit right only Sikorski's+puma's here - I thought u got the clue with the Bouvet
or since u a maple should know Little . . . . . .
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I'll soon be in my tropical wear enjoying Presidente 1st time - which spots best of the night in SD?
by the beauty next to me
it sounds like gc got quite a nice hobby there but what the heck would he need breakfast twice
From: Canada
cafe paco at far end inhabited by people well below my station and the Cafe Conde in the park much more cosmopolitan....my office is right next door
I have been there all the time, it sounds like you spy on the people who hang out in front of Caamaño's old HQ
Juan Bosch tried to make it that only Dominican Could buy land in DR, but the U.S. took him out of power…. And killed thousands of Dominicans when they tried to get him back….
instead of having all these foreign companies and foreigners exploiting u and discriminate u in your own country u should force your gov. to impose heavy taxes for the use of your country to make profit. But be careful with the guys in La Romana they probably got american passports - like the south ossetians on Georgian territorium having russian passports - if you get my drift.
Whether in DR or in Cuba or anywere else were foreigners are there for the profit still the people of those countries are getting nothing but "the mushroom treatment" and the foreigners all the goodies of the said country. Unless the rich will decrease their profits u will be kept in place.
You obviously did not read my earlier posts on the labor regulations. Besides the items stated there, all foreign firms must have a Dominican owned Company / Registered Dominican Company with majority Dominican ownership as a partner of not less than 50%. Or form a corporation of at least 7 shareholders. Any and all expatriate personnel regardless of citizenship must posses a valid work permit and said permeit is granted on a yearly basis PROVIDED you as a company demonstrated that a Dominican Citizen can not perform the duties of the position. On Top of that you must open an office in the country / establish a local subsiderary of the foreign company. You must deposit into the bank a value of not less than six months worth of potential contract value which once deposited can not be touched until 6 months after contract termination to ensure compliance of mandated labor payouts...................
"the DR is a business friendly enviroment "
and if it had been a worker friendly environment as well it wouldnt have been a hell of a lot of poor people heading for the garbage dumps. Capitalism works only if you tame the beast. Your system will only create repulsive richness and repulsive poorness.
The only way for workers are to have strong and responsible unions to have power enough to get out of the misery - your way texasshoe it will all stay the same way.
And dont give me the crap about corrupt unions. There are unions of every kind taking care of their members interests. Greed, money and corruption go hand in hand and are everywere.
and where are you working doing your 12 / 12's supporting the company you are working for???? is that 28-28 or some other grueling schedule?
and btw, calm down you asked for my opinion on the pieces you sent to me and I made my comments with no derrogatory remarks about unions, populace or the way that I do business. One of the items you obviously do get is that in the line of work we are both in, is that the work is competetivly bid and normally the low bidder gets the work (works that way pretty much everywhere in the world). In my earlier posts there was no mention of unions only governmental dictates that tie the hand of the companies and employees alike. The same regulations that the latin countries place on labor are the same ones that put them down and keep them there. do me a favor and read my other responses before accusing me of taking advantage of the workers when I am only doing what the government dictates I do
You know very well that the lobbyists are not the workers or the poor but the powerful corporates and rich and hence getting it the way they want.
"is that the work is competetivly bid and normally the low bidder gets the work (works that way pretty much everywhere in the world)." Oh thats what globalization is all about - move around and exploit everywere you can to make more profit - without even having a scent of decency to pay the workers a minimum to provide for their families.
cont
Without people around the world to exploit there wouldnt be any corporates either - this is all about having a bit of humanity to share since both are dependent on each other.
It looks like u are very satified with the state on this planet, hence you are accepting 2 billions people in misery and 25-30000 kids dieing every day - arguing that how the state is is solely because of governments in these countries.
I take it you are in the oil business - if a oil company are dealing with these governments are accomplice to robbery and hence should be liable of lawsuits at any time.
"I can tell you that on every job I am responsible for almost to the person they make more than what is required by LAW in the particular country"
If u are paying decent wages that these people working for u are happy with and can live a decent life thats ok. If not u and u alone are responsible for their misery - , if your profit is a living they can only dream about.
Only u and your workers know the facts.
A Choice?!?
We in Denmark cannot figure out why you are even bothering to hold an election.
On one side, you have a bitch who is a lawyer, married to a lawyer . . . and a lawyer who is married to a bitch who is a lawyer.
On the other side, you have a war hero married to a good looking woman with big tits who owns a beer distributorship. Is there a contest here?