SANTO DOMINGO. – Just one week after Colombia revealed a reluctance to materialize a gas pipeline to expand the propane gas supply to Dominican Republic, Venezuela’s government yesterday proposed the construction of that project that would also supply Haiti.
Aníbal Rosa, president of the Petrocaribe oil deal, said the pipeline would reach important zones of the country to spur its internal development, and even the neighboring country.
Rosa, speaking in a meeting of the Petrocaribe Coordinating and Focal Points Committee, said technicians from 14 countries discuss how to supply the fuel to the Caribbean islands and Central America.
When asked about the fees that will prevail, Rosa said for that type of economic agreements, “it’s necessary to establish the general and particular framework to specify values,” though clarified they would be below the international market.
“The president Hugo Chavez intention is solidarity with our nations,” the official said, and specified that until recently gas cost 15 dollars per 1 million BTU.
He said it would be beneficial as a fuel, for industry and power plants.
In the activity, with the participation of Hacienda minister Vicente Bengóa that will conclude today in the hotel V Centenario.
From: Spain, Sanlucar de Barrameda..Coto Doñana
Hugo has to hurry and get this done before McCain gets elected
From: United States
that means he has forever, GC.
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Aug 2008 9:04 AM
From: Brazil
I agree with dread, GC. It's too early yet to announce a clear winner on the US presidential race yet, and, at the rate that economy is deteriorating, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what the most likely outcome will be....
From: Spain, Sanlucar de Barrameda..Coto Doñana
but how amazing is the picture today compared to last month ....when as you or someone said including myself that Kermit the little frog could be elected ....nobody is fainting at Obama speeches anymore
Written by: anthonyC, 28 Aug 2008 9:08 AM
From: United States
"it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what the most likely outcome will be...."
They said that 3 months ago and yet......McCain has moved ahead in the polls. Lets see how it goes with Obama's Nuremburg Rally 2nite.
From: Spain, Sanlucar de Barrameda..Coto Doñana
I think he may regret not picking Hillybilly...... He said he would rather have a red hot poker stuck up his @ss than have them looking over his shoulder
From: United States
anthonyc, the cold war fossil, right wing neo-con reactionary, and laissez faire capitalist worshipper, sincerely believes that his fellow dinosaur has a chance to win this election. you better hope Gustav does not take a dump on New Orleans! we know the admirable way in which you republicans handled that one the first time around. do not follow the polls, anthonyc. no political party wins 3 elections in a row, especially after a period in which only a few hundred people, such as the oil boys, were better off. those of us who support the Democratic party will have the satisfaction of listening to your drivel from the sideline. and, in closing, you are as despicable and loathsome as i always thought, a completely amoral and unprincipled excuse for a man; to equate his speech with the Nuremburg Rally shows your lack of character.
Written by: juanb, 28 Aug 2008 9:38 AM
From: Dominican Republic
I am a lifelong Democrat and I agree with everything that Dread said, except for the criticism of the comparison to the Nuremburg Rally. As I read the original reference I thought that that was a particularly insightful analogy. As a firm Hillary supporter, who believes that Obama is mostly fluff, mentioning the rally only reinforces my impression of Obama which is that he is all show and little substance: Having said that, let me also say how important it is for the entire world that McCain is defeated. No place on earth can survive four more years of the same failed policies.
From: Spain, Sanlucar de Barrameda..Coto Doñana
juanb you are a common sense person ....but he should have picked Hillybilly not the old plagiarist ....He will live to regret it as a footnote in history....
From: United States
yes, but i am always dismayed by people who come on this forum and regurgitate the insights of others on talk radio. plagiarising community college dropouts is not exactly the height of academia, and for a man who claims to have a doctorate, he could be more original.it is a little early in the day to accuse Obama of being fluff. they also said the same about Clinton, and, might i add, JFK.
From: Spain, Sanlucar de Barrameda..Coto Doñana
JFK chose Lyndon Landslide and it turned out to be a wise choice although he thought Johnson would not accept
From: United States, Houston
The deepest pipeline ever planned was for 8300 ft. of water, the edge of the mona pass is 7800 ft. and the deepest part between Venezuela and DR is 9000 feet. This would be quite an engineering marvel if Chavez could pull it off. Venezuela owns no deepwater construction equipment that I know of but it would also be a very long pipeline about 670 miles. A VERY long pipeline for underwater. The pressure on the pipeline at 9000 feet would be about 4000 pound per square inch. Don't know, sounds like another ALBA deal to me, all talk and no do.
From: United States
You kidding me... They'll do it just to ship cocain.
From: United States
no political party ever won 3 elections in a row!!
where u been dreadlock............what about 1988...????
Written by: anthonyC, 28 Aug 2008 11:06 AM
From: United States
"no political party wins 3 elections in a row"
Reagan, Reagan, Bush?
"to equate his speech with the Nuremburg Rally shows your lack of character."
An Jewish friend of mine pointed this out and he is a lifelong Liberal Democrat. We were Chatting in a group in which I was the only gentile and all pointed out that for Jews the specter of that stage and masses of people brings to mind bad memories for all Jews. Of the 4 in the group all are democrats but 2 said they were voting for McCain and the Other 2 were undecided. If Obama loses Jewish support the election is over.
Written by: Escott, 28 Aug 2008 11:45 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
Obama is a great orator. You cant take that away from him but his government experience is something like 173 days and his questionable religious beliefs leaves a lot to be desired. I have to question the CHANGE part of his platform which he hasn't really said much other than growing the government.
At the end of the day I don't think the US is going to be ready for a black President expecially one with no experience and has never had a job other than sucking off the government tit. I never thought he would win on election day when it cam to pulling the lever and now he is losing steam even during the convention which is usually a boost. Americans are catching on. Anyone who thinks Obama is a shoe in ought to reexamine the facts.
Back to the Pipeline. I agree with the shoe on this. Ain't gonna happen in my lifetime at least. In this country we are up to plan number 826 that were big ideas that went NOWHERE.
Written by: Escott, 28 Aug 2008 11:46 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
As my irish buddy said, McCain is a nice older man with a younger good looking wife who owns a beer distributer. How can you vote any other way:)
Written by: Belial, 28 Aug 2008 12:36 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Just one week after Colombia revealed a reluctance to materialize a gas pipeline to expand the propane gas supply to Dominican Republic, Venezuela’s government yesterday proposed the construction of that project that would also supply Haiti, " DT reports today.
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But on Aug. 17, the DT reported Colombia planned to supply electricity to DR and PR with a 1,000 kilometers-long underwater cable.
So, dope-dealing and death squad regime in Colombia switched from 1000KM electric extension cord to a IOOOKM gas pipeline sometime during the week.
This similar to US aid that never arrives.
"Venezuela’s government yesterday proposed the construction of that project that would also supply Haiti."
What does "that project" mean?
"That project" probably means some kind of energy link between Cuba and Haiti, but it is not likely to be pipeline. As of 2005, Haiti only consumed about 12,000 barrels of oil daily and no natural gas. Cuba handle that with small boat.
From: United States, Houston
Actually the way to go to supply the amount of gas would be LNG, via ship. Of course Venezuela has no LNG facilities, LNG transport ships, nor does the DR have a LNG storage facility.
ALBA-All talk, no action
Written by: anthonyC, 28 Aug 2008 1:18 PM
From: United States
As Texasshoe has pointed out a oil pipeleine between Ven and the DR would be a huge undertaking that neither country has the resources for nor the engineering expertise.
Hugo has announce many huge pipeline projects around the Hemisphere over the years but none has even turned over one spade of dirt. The only 2 countries that could possibly do this kind of project on this side of the world is the US and Brazil and neither would be interested.
this remeinds me of the $900 Million project that Hippo announced when he visited the Ukraine to build an Aircraft manufacturing factory in the DR.
From: Spain, Sanlucar de Barrameda..Coto Doñana
I thought it was wheelbarrows the hippo was going to make
From: Spain, Sanlucar de Barrameda..Coto Doñana
That is correct nutty hugo loves to go around shooting his mouth and delivering nothing
From: United States
typical anthonyc; he reads half the sentence, then makes his pronouncement. i said after a period in which people are worse off. there are governments in the caribbean that have won 5 elections in a row. but not when people keep going down the drain, as we see in the USA. i agree with Escott that america is not ready for a black President, and so McCain has a chance of backing into the election. but, as we all know, three months is an eternity in american political cycles, so all the soothsayers can take a rest till november. and i would like to understand what Escott means by ' QUESTIONABLE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS" all religious beliefs are questionable. it dependes on who is doing the questioning. i already said this several months ago, but many caucasians in america will vote against their own self interests to deny a black man the presidency. and look how much "experience" helped George Bush, easily the worst President in american political history.
From: Dominican Republic
Nutty Hugo and Slick Leonel are truly begining to sound like TWINS. That goes for the Ministers in both their Administrations.
Aren't ALL Latin Governments like these two, only a little bit of a smaller voice??
TB
Written by: anthonyC, 28 Aug 2008 4:03 PM
From: United States
"but many caucasians in america will vote against their own self interests to deny a black man the presidency"
And how many black people will vote for a Black man just because he is black? Last time i looked at the polls 94%!
Written by: Belial, 28 Aug 2008 4:21 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Nor does the DR have a LNG storage facility," tex says rather casually.
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"Despite the need for further structural reform, foreign firms continue to invest in the Dominican Republic's power infrastructure. AES Andres, a subsidiary of AES, has invested $400 million to construct an LNG import terminal, a regasification facility, a pipeline and a 300-MW combined cycle power plant, located outside of Santo Domingo. The LNG terminal received its first shipment in February 2003. However, since the 300-MW power plant will not be completed until summer 2003, the imported natural gas has been going to the Los Mina power plant in Santo Domingo, which AES converted from fuel oil to natural gas," the imperialist US regime, on its chief energy site, alleges.
http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/....onal_energy_grid/cuba/carib.shtmlFrom: United States
there goes anthonyc again, with his half truths. he would make a fantastic propagandist. he fails to insert the notion of party affiliation. anyone who can find the USA on the globe knows that in recent history, blacks have voted democratic. i guarantee that 94% of blacks would not vote for a black republican. do you realistically believe that JC Watts would get 94 % of black votes if he ran for president? and, try to remember that former mayor of new york, Ed Koch, used to poll in the low 90%s in the black community. i have seen him in person, and he does not remind me much of mike tyson!
From: United States, Houston
You are correct. AES built that facility (not DR) to feed that plant and the los Mina facility the pipeline connects the two. However, just like the refinery, you can not build a pipeline and ship NATGAS or LNG to somewhere if there no place to store it. If the existing power generation facilities are set up for diesel than what is the point. It is one thing to go from NATGAS to Propane but Diesel to NATGAS is a whole different story. However you slice the issue, if the required conversion work is not done concurrently with the pipeline construction or ahead of time they will miss the boat. The other issue is the construction equipment for the pipeline. That type of equipment is specialized and not all offshore pipeline companies have equipment that can lay in that depth. Venezuela is just now starting to develop its' NATGAS capabilities. Until recently any NATGAS was basically burned as refinery by-product.....
Written by: Trujillo, 28 Aug 2008 4:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I don't like Hugo Chavez, but I think a pipeline from Venezuela to the RD is a great idea. I love it when people think big and the competition (Colombia/Venezuela) to provide us with energy is great. I hope BOTH projects are build and I'm not buying that "solidarity" BS. This is the type of competition I want to see in Latin America.
From: United States, Houston
.....There is a huge project that will be taking place in the near furture called Mariscal-Sucre and it combines both on and offshore facilities. The first wells are being drilled as we discuss this matter. Construction of the LNG facility has yet to begin. The engineering company responsible for both on and offshore construction is French. The estimated commisioning start date is around 48 months from now. There are offshore production facilities to fabricate and install, pipelines to shore and the GTL (Gas To Liquids) facility which result in LNG. This proposed ALBA deal is not happening anytime soon.
From: United States, Houston
Belial,
Please quote me correctly next time.
The DR DOES not have LNG Storage Capabilities.
AES has its' own, not the gov. or people of DR. Both plants that are owned by AES were converted from diesel to NATGAS.
Written by: santanar, 28 Aug 2008 8:39 PM
From: United States
At the beginning of the second term of Chavez (2000) administration he promised an oil pipeline that was going to extent from Venezuela to Argentina, after 8 years the project is still in the drawing board, populist proposals for refineries in Nicaragua, Cuba, and Ecuador are nonexistence . Only after the Colombian proposed to provided low cost electricity to DR -PR-Haiti, they come up with this populist promises of another pipeline that was not even announce by president Chavez but by some low level individual.
From: Spain, Sanlucar de Barrameda..Coto Doñana
thanks santanar there are actually naive people here like Chill and Risable that believe the stuff this moron says ......Tex your rebuttals of belials rubbish are excellent...only the weak minded could believe this junk the commies and their paid stooges like belial put out
Written by: jonbonz, 29 Aug 2008 9:47 AM
From: Dominican Republic
From: United States, Houston
jonbonz,
There are a myriad of combinations available but the issue isthe monetary outlay for them. I worked at a refinery in St. Croix and ,goulet lived on the island as well. When it was built in the 60's they pre-planned, and the heating units and turbines could run off of anything they produced with the exception of heavy crude. The other issue in the DR is that the generators of electricity are private companies who are geared to run on diesel. If the government dictates they must use this NATGAS for generation, who will pay for the conversion??????
From: United States, Houston
sanatar,
Dont forget Las Cristinias Mine. I was personnaly involved in 4 seperate proposals, was awarded the work once, a notice to cease was issued the following day and that was in 1997. That mine is still in delay. They awarded the operations permit to Cristallyx around 2002 and they still have not commenced operations and the government is now thinking of expropriating the facility in the best interestes of the country.
http://www.crystallex.com/Project....rations/LasCristinas/default.aspxFrom: United States
texasshoe, with one word you hit the nail on the head ; PRE-PLANNED. in the DR, the word planning is a profanity. everything is rushed through without any preparation, just so that a few politicos can rake in some comision. i mean, who in God's name could have authorised highway patrol style Harley Davidson motorcycles, which weigh a ton, and have no maneouverability, for patrolling barrio areas? no , we like to rush it through, screw it up, and try again. practice makes perfect!
From: United States, Houston
Dread,
"authorised highway patrol style Harley Davidson motorcycles, which weigh a ton, and have no maneouverability, for patrolling barrio areas"
I agree 100%, but man we sure do look good riding em.
Written by: jonbonz, 29 Aug 2008 10:39 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Frankly in the next few months I plan to be off the grid and charge my batteries daily using wood gas. I know where I can by a gasifier for less than $600 in China that produces 7 M3 of gas an hour out of straw of wood waste.
I also have the plans that FEMA put out a few years ago to keep farmers working in a gas shortage.
Since I operate most of the time on batteries anyway and many times I need to fire up my generator to make up for the deficit on long black outs. I see no big difference.
With the coconut husk in piles beside the road it should do nicely.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gasFrom: United States, Houston
GC,
As a former fellow Cruzan, thanks.
From: United States, Houston
GC,
Do you remeber when the Cruzan Rum was $4.65 for a 2 liter? Its a small wonder I remember anything from my years on the Island. And the Domino Clubs Babash that George made, WOW it would have you speaking Greek in no time, funny thing was I understood other folks just fine too.
From: United States, Houston
Dread,
That seems to be a real issue in all Latin cultures, lack of planning and a severe lack of maintenance. They build a grandiose whatever and when its complete they all gather for the ceremony, slap each other on the back and leave, thats it. What maintenance? it needs Maintenance, its practicaly new.
From: Spain, Sanlucar de Barrameda..Coto Doñana
Tex for a long long time it was 99 cents a bottle I mean for years ....mcCain picked Sarah Palin
From: United States
texasshoe, i watched some guys building a stretch of road here, and 5 haitian guys were working, while 30 other guys looked on and lolled about on the grass (grassy knoll to you, GC). an american who used to build federal highways told me that the road would last , at the maximum, 6 months, because they were doing it all wrong. i asked him why he did not say something, but he assured me that they would not listen, anyway. sure enough, after 5 months, it was an impassable stretch of road. you are right about Latin culture.hurry up and get it done so we can put on a show, and bring out the guys with medals. when it falls apart in a few days, we will do it again, and cut some more ribbons.
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They said that 3 months ago and yet......McCain has moved ahead in the polls. Lets see how it goes with Obama's Nuremburg Rally 2nite.
You kidding me... They'll do it just to ship cocain.
where u been dreadlock............what about 1988...????
Reagan, Reagan, Bush?
"to equate his speech with the Nuremburg Rally shows your lack of character."
An Jewish friend of mine pointed this out and he is a lifelong Liberal Democrat. We were Chatting in a group in which I was the only gentile and all pointed out that for Jews the specter of that stage and masses of people brings to mind bad memories for all Jews. Of the 4 in the group all are democrats but 2 said they were voting for McCain and the Other 2 were undecided. If Obama loses Jewish support the election is over.
At the end of the day I don't think the US is going to be ready for a black President expecially one with no experience and has never had a job other than sucking off the government tit. I never thought he would win on election day when it cam to pulling the lever and now he is losing steam even during the convention which is usually a boost. Americans are catching on. Anyone who thinks Obama is a shoe in ought to reexamine the facts.
Back to the Pipeline. I agree with the shoe on this. Ain't gonna happen in my lifetime at least. In this country we are up to plan number 826 that were big ideas that went NOWHERE.
0000
But on Aug. 17, the DT reported Colombia planned to supply electricity to DR and PR with a 1,000 kilometers-long underwater cable.
So, dope-dealing and death squad regime in Colombia switched from 1000KM electric extension cord to a IOOOKM gas pipeline sometime during the week.
This similar to US aid that never arrives.
"Venezuela’s government yesterday proposed the construction of that project that would also supply Haiti."
What does "that project" mean?
"That project" probably means some kind of energy link between Cuba and Haiti, but it is not likely to be pipeline. As of 2005, Haiti only consumed about 12,000 barrels of oil daily and no natural gas. Cuba handle that with small boat.
ALBA-All talk, no action
Hugo has announce many huge pipeline projects around the Hemisphere over the years but none has even turned over one spade of dirt. The only 2 countries that could possibly do this kind of project on this side of the world is the US and Brazil and neither would be interested.
this remeinds me of the $900 Million project that Hippo announced when he visited the Ukraine to build an Aircraft manufacturing factory in the DR.
Aren't ALL Latin Governments like these two, only a little bit of a smaller voice??
TB
And how many black people will vote for a Black man just because he is black? Last time i looked at the polls 94%!
oooo
"Despite the need for further structural reform, foreign firms continue to invest in the Dominican Republic's power infrastructure. AES Andres, a subsidiary of AES, has invested $400 million to construct an LNG import terminal, a regasification facility, a pipeline and a 300-MW combined cycle power plant, located outside of Santo Domingo. The LNG terminal received its first shipment in February 2003. However, since the 300-MW power plant will not be completed until summer 2003, the imported natural gas has been going to the Los Mina power plant in Santo Domingo, which AES converted from fuel oil to natural gas," the imperialist US regime, on its chief energy site, alleges.
http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/....onal_energy_grid/cuba/carib.shtml
Please quote me correctly next time.
The DR DOES not have LNG Storage Capabilities.
AES has its' own, not the gov. or people of DR. Both plants that are owned by AES were converted from diesel to NATGAS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-fuel_conversion
There are a myriad of combinations available but the issue isthe monetary outlay for them. I worked at a refinery in St. Croix and ,goulet lived on the island as well. When it was built in the 60's they pre-planned, and the heating units and turbines could run off of anything they produced with the exception of heavy crude. The other issue in the DR is that the generators of electricity are private companies who are geared to run on diesel. If the government dictates they must use this NATGAS for generation, who will pay for the conversion??????
Dont forget Las Cristinias Mine. I was personnaly involved in 4 seperate proposals, was awarded the work once, a notice to cease was issued the following day and that was in 1997. That mine is still in delay. They awarded the operations permit to Cristallyx around 2002 and they still have not commenced operations and the government is now thinking of expropriating the facility in the best interestes of the country.
http://www.crystallex.com/Project....rations/LasCristinas/default.aspx
"authorised highway patrol style Harley Davidson motorcycles, which weigh a ton, and have no maneouverability, for patrolling barrio areas"
I agree 100%, but man we sure do look good riding em.
I also have the plans that FEMA put out a few years ago to keep farmers working in a gas shortage.
Since I operate most of the time on batteries anyway and many times I need to fire up my generator to make up for the deficit on long black outs. I see no big difference.
With the coconut husk in piles beside the road it should do nicely.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas
As a former fellow Cruzan, thanks.
Do you remeber when the Cruzan Rum was $4.65 for a 2 liter? Its a small wonder I remember anything from my years on the Island. And the Domino Clubs Babash that George made, WOW it would have you speaking Greek in no time, funny thing was I understood other folks just fine too.
That seems to be a real issue in all Latin cultures, lack of planning and a severe lack of maintenance. They build a grandiose whatever and when its complete they all gather for the ceremony, slap each other on the back and leave, thats it. What maintenance? it needs Maintenance, its practicaly new.