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SANTO DOMINGO.- Dominican Engineers, Architects and Surveyors Guild (Codia) president Arturo Pichardo affirmed that 85% of the workers in the construction industry are Haitian.

In a speech to mark the Codia’s 46th anniversary, Pichardo said the displacement of Dominican workers by Haitians in public and private works has increased unemployment and has affected the economy.

He said in 2008 hundreds of construction professionals, bricklayers, teachers and thousands of first, second and third category workers in the sector found it hard to find jobs.

Pichardo said developers and engineers prefer foreign workers, situation that, in his view, must be corrected, because it directly affects the official actions aimed at reducing unemployment in the country.

“This is a reality that we cannot hide, and much less deny,” he said, adding that the Codia supports the use of locals, as long as the standard of living of Dominicans improves.

According to reports of every 10 jobs the Government currently creates, as many as 9 are taken by Haitian immigrants.

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Written by: JRRubirosa, 12 Jan 2009 8:46 AM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Let's get rid of the illegal Haitian inmigration!!!!!
Written by: dreadlocks, 12 Jan 2009 8:57 AM
From: United States
i bid 200 posts by tonight....do i hear 250? going once, going twice...
Written by: ArsenioALembertJr, 12 Jan 2009 9:15 AM
From: Spain, Ibiza, Minorca, Mallorca
Here's the reason why that is so:
The Construction Industry likes huge profits; They like to spend as little as they can to build a structure, use cheapest manpower, and the least expensive supplies; Then, they can provide a low cost product while making immense profits. It's modern day slavery with a few pesos for reward. It remains the same Explotation/Plantation/Encomienda Concept. Little investment, Huge profits. Win-Win proposition. Now, here in the States the illegal Immigrants are "used" in the same manner. Hundreds of thousands of Mexican, Central Americans, and other undocumented laborers out number native workers on "most" construction sites. These Illegals report to work in "dozens", while maybe a handful are skilled or common labor Americans.

Globalization can be blamed for this new, yet, old dilemma: The foreign "cheap" laborers do their work for next to nothing so they can capitalize profits.
It's Slavery with a new twist. Come work for nothing!
Written by: dreadlocks, 12 Jan 2009 9:24 AM
From: United States
tread lightly, Arsenio. you know that you are opening yourself for a lashing from those who believe we should be grateful for the pittances that these multinationals offer as salary. they provide employment, we are told. had it not been for their generosity, people would have to live without the 300 pesos per day that they offer for 10 hours of backbreaking work. so, do not look these generous gift horses in the mouth. they are doing their civic duties to be good world citizens, spreading the wealth around.
Written by: dreadlocks, 12 Jan 2009 9:26 AM
From: United States
actually, Arsenio, it is just slavery, but without physical chains. the imperatives are no different.
Written by: ArsenioALembertJr, 12 Jan 2009 9:28 AM
From: Spain, Ibiza, Minorca, Mallorca
Come work for nothing!
By this means 'they' can maintain minimun wage low. So, if you "refuse" to do the work they pay "peanuts" for, they get the "brazero" who will do it for a few cents on the dollar, with enthusiam: 1.They got mouths to feed "back home"; 2.They never had it so good; 3. Things are bad, but "they are hard workers". So, the native has to be insane, or retarded to pick cotton, or shovel crap for pennies. This is where the Boss=Man sits back and says: Well, these boys will do it for that wage, so I'll give the work to them".
Here we pull the rug from the natives and open the flood gates for droves of willing foreigners and pick up the pick and shovel for practically nothing. This is a Global Conspiracy if ever there was one. They call that "cutting off your nose to spite your face". Take it or leave!
It's the same in Saudi Arabia; Dubai; Singapore; Japan; Sweden; Spain; everywhere.
Why do you think they have (popular) Irish Nannies in the States?
Written by: ArsenioALembertJr, 12 Jan 2009 9:34 AM
From: Spain, Ibiza, Minorca, Mallorca
Written by: dreadlocks, 12 Jan 2009 9:24 AM
From: United States
tread lightly, Arsenio. you know that you are opening yourself for a lashing from those who believe we should be grateful for the pittances=

Dread I'm a pacifist by nature: But, when the truth has to be said - I'm like a WWF Wrestler; No holds barred type of approach- I hold nothing back. Gan you smell what the Rock, is cooking?

Some people live by their slogans. Some are like: Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
"I live by this one: If it's a spade, it's a spade". When it comes to the clear and present "truth": I called it what it is. No mincing of words; No ideologies considered; If it walks like a duck, it's a duck.....So, if someone can't handle the truth...They can "Duck".
Written by: dreadlocks, 12 Jan 2009 9:38 AM
From: United States
i am with you 100%, my brother. you know my position on this modern day slavery, exploitation thing. like you, i am not afraid to state my case either, because it is plain iniquity. so, flash your whip; speak your piece. i am right beside you with this.
Written by: Lautaro, 12 Jan 2009 9:40 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
I can't help but being reminded of the plantations of Saint Domingue (colonial Haiti) every time I look at the construction sites, the reminder being the more horrifying when we take into account how Saint Domingue ended, that is, by the fire and swords of slave rebellion. I think it's true what some wise people say that the country that ignores its history is bound to repeat it on way or another.
Written by: ArsenioALembertJr, 12 Jan 2009 9:42 AM
From: Spain, Ibiza, Minorca, Mallorca
Globalization is a fancy word to impress the uniformed; Such as when you tell an innocent child that he's going to get a "Root Canal". Whoopie, thanks Dad!
Written by: ArsenioALembertJr, 12 Jan 2009 9:52 AM
From: Spain, Ibiza, Minorca, Mallorca
Written by: Lautaro, 12 Jan 2009 9:40 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I can't help but being reminded of the plantations of Saint Domingue (colonial Haiti:

Lautauro:
No hay que ir tan lejos! Tu picky panis?
Well, the whole concept of work for nothing really started on our side. That's where the colonos discovered that the native Arahuacos weren't too willing to work all day for some stranger for sport.
Those colon-izers eventually went back to the continent of Ethiopia and brought back hundreds of thousands of captured forced workers. The concept was you work, you eat today. So, it started almost right off the bat when columbus and the 40 thieves claimed this hemisphere for Spain and the catholic church.....Ain't nothing new under the sun...They called Christian-izing the world, then. Now, they've sophisticated for those that don't have a Funk & Wagnalls to look up its meaning: They call it Globalization. Wow, we're in the money! Que Palabrota! Transparency?
Written by: Lautaro, 12 Jan 2009 9:56 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
I think it's time to remind everyone about the evils of slavery:

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/10386/10386-h/10386-h.htm

Enjoy,

Written by: Jander, 12 Jan 2009 9:58 AM
From: Dominican Republic
I hope some of you watched 60 minutes last night with Wyclef Jean.

A very moving peice of journalism.

Really showed an inside view with a world icon how bad it is in Haiti.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4713518n


Written by: Lautaro, 12 Jan 2009 9:59 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
I know that fact, Arsenio, but perhaps in no other place of the Western Hemisphere the evils of slavery were so glaring and appalling than in Saint Domingue, where the mortality rates of the slaves were such that the most that some of them could live was 8 years at a minimum. Heck, I have heard that on the british, spanish, portuguese and dutch colonies, whenever a slave were to become too recalcitrant, the threat of selling him/her to the killing fields of Saint Domingue was enough to stop him/her on his/her tracks. Talk about reputation!!
Written by: Jander, 12 Jan 2009 10:00 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Regarding the article it is time the Dominicans take these jobs back and time for the Haittians go to back home with the skills they have acquired here and rebuild their own country.

Written by: ArsenioALembertJr, 12 Jan 2009 10:07 AM
From: Spain, Ibiza, Minorca, Mallorca
Written by: Jander, 12 Jan 2009 10:00 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Regarding the article it is time the Dominicans take these jobs back and time for the Haittians go to back home with the skills they have acquired here and rebuild their own country.

So well said, compadre!
However, these construction interests, aren't interested in 'paying' work for what it really is worth.
If they can 'legally' get away with paying cheles, they will do it 'til the cows come home.....And if you've ever been in the farm you "know" that unless somone rounds them up; They'll never wind up in the stocks....So they same holds true here. The builders will not raise salaries. It's like crazy Eddie in NYC, back in the day: "His prices are insane".
Written by: JRRubirosa, 12 Jan 2009 10:08 AM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Haitias are treated worse at Haiti where they are treated like recycle commodities, They eat dirt cookies and their own goverment care less about their well beings, on the other hand on the
Dominican Republic They are not forced to work they do the work on their own free will.

What happens is that Haitians get to Dominican Republic and see a chance to take advantage
of the system playing victims and joining ONG'S to make Dominican Republic look like Germany.

Sooner than later this BS campaign is going to bit you in the back "BELIEVE ME"!!!!!
You will regret it!!!!
Written by: bernies, 12 Jan 2009 10:12 AM
From: United States, key west fl
I just got a question for all you haitian lovers. who is paying for the medical bills when they sick or their ladies are giving birth. not the haitian goverment for sure. the money that is spend on haitians labors and their ladies for medical cares is money that was meant to be spend on Dominicans. see the picture there. that is the real problem of this.
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2009 10:31 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
How many Haitians worked on the METRO?
Written by: Jander, 12 Jan 2009 10:39 AM
From: Dominican Republic

If Haiti could just stabalize things and like Wyclif said 'make a dent' then I beleive the rest of the world would stop ignoring them, but as was said the world is tired of Haiti as they been given billions and no progress has been made.

When a country has to put it's faith in a Pop Star that says it all right there.

Written by: bernies, 12 Jan 2009 10:46 AM
From: United States, key west fl
Haitians labors are not paying taxes so whatever money they are making it is also taking away money from the state of the DR.
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2009 10:56 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"When a country has to put it's faith in a "Snake Oil Salesmen" that says it all right there."

Right Lie-onel!
Written by: bernies, 12 Jan 2009 11:11 AM
From: United States, key west fl
why do everybody is in favor of haiti but no one is saying anything good about the DR. what is this a gang band against dominicans whom have their own problems.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 12 Jan 2009 11:34 AM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Bernies:

A group of Haitians conspiring to take over our country!!!
Written by: bernies, 12 Jan 2009 11:38 AM
From: United States, key west fl
they can all dream about it. but I don't see it happen not now and not in the near or far feture.
Written by: Banana, 12 Jan 2009 11:45 AM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Quite a bit of tax money lost out on when they're paid NOTHING, Bernies. . .
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2009 11:55 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Leviticus 19:18

Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Apparently for us Dominicans who claim to be christians the Haitians don't qualify!
Written by: JRRubirosa, 12 Jan 2009 12:57 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Josean:

Dark agenda!!!!!!
Written by: old_school_trinitario, 12 Jan 2009 1:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
In all fairness is safe to say that the future landscape of D.R is been built by Haitians.


classic!!!


but who is building Haiti's landscape ?


AJI TITI


http://www.elnacional.com.do/editorial/2009/1/10/4324/Sueno-dominicano





Written by: old_school_trinitario, 12 Jan 2009 1:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
Good news for Haiti!!!!!

Help is under way


http://www.almomento.net/news/127/ARTICLE/24534/2009-01-12.html

Written by: etiennc01, 12 Jan 2009 1:56 PM
From: United States
After the Haitians put up the hotels,then who get hired as clerks,in the laundry dept.,the housekeeping. the catering, the maintenance,the tours,the entertainment,the advertisement,the accouting,the medical depts?
Who drive the shutters and the taxi cabs to drive the tourists to these hotels from the airport?
Give me a educated guess,
Who enjoys the fruit of the Haitians labors?
Do Haitians just walk in and work or do they get hired?
If they just walk in and work then,they are taking over Dominicans jobs, If they are hired over Dominicans - then the question is why ?
We all know too well the answer-Haitians are desperate and accept salaries that Dominicans will not accept.
Instead of making it appear like Haitians are taking over Dominicans jobs and agitate sickos like Rubi,we should go to the root of the problems and not tackle the symptoms.
We should ask our elected officials to pressure the builders to pay decent salary so they can attract more Dominicans in this industry,
Written by: etiennc01, 12 Jan 2009 2:04 PM
From: United States
Rubi said " A group of Haitians conspiring to take over the country "
What a display of innocence, stupidy.political immaturity,prejudice,fear.and ignorance.

You have yet to answer the question posted by Josean: Were they any Hatians in the construction of the metro ???
No becuase the oay was good,
Is there any Haitian working the running of the metro ?
No , because the pay is good.
You pay a good salary , you attact Dominicans.
You pay a lousy salary your attract poor, hungry and desperate Hatians

It is economics son !
Written by: JRRubirosa, 12 Jan 2009 3:25 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Etien01:

Do Haitians have a better living standard if they stay in Haiti eating dirt cookies or in DR??

You are a group of whinners, complainers, mediocre and backwards people!!!!
Written by: CarlosFranco, 12 Jan 2009 4:38 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn

DR can eliminate the illigal yola travelling by hiring poor dominicans, so that they may stay in their country and work in it instead of dying at sea!!

Written by: etiennc01, 12 Jan 2009 4:49 PM
From: United States
Rubidoo
They would rather stay in the Dominican Republic but you scare the hell out of them with your white hood ,your white robe ,and your burning cross
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2009 4:54 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
The Obama Plan for Haiti and the Dominican Republic.

All Dominicans who entered illegally to the US regardless of how the became legal later, or stayed after there visa expired, including those who finagled their residency or citizenship will be returned to DR immediately. If you were born in the US but your parents fall in the aforementioned categories you also will be required to leave as well.

Obama will assist the Dominican government in repatriating all undocumented Haitians back to Haiti to make way for all the Dominicans who will be repatriated from the US, including Puerto Rico.

This will free up all those high paying jobs that are now available in DR for all the Dominicans who will be returning.

Is time for CHANGE!
Written by: etiennc, 12 Jan 2009 5:20 PM
From: United States
Rubidoo
I have a hard time beleiving that u are really living in Long Island and fail to notice the Haitian bourgoisie made of doctors,lawyers, architects and what have you.
The big mansions that u must have seen while leaving your humble apartment and the Mercedes Benz ,the Lexus parking in the driveways belong to the Haitians upper class.
They also own vacations houses in the Dominican Republic ,in Florida, and in Haiti
I just can not comprehend while the only Haitians that catch your attention are the ugliest,the fithiest,the winners,the mediocres, the backward ones,the retarded,and the poor.
Why this fixation with misery,filth,and poverty?
Is it a way to trick your memory or lead people to think that u have never experienced poverty?Hello ,u are living in United States.Why did u leave home?
Oh I see,because of political persecution. Leonel Fernadez has forced your rich parents into exile.

Hello everyone!
Rich Rubi left the DR because of political persecution,


Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2009 5:25 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
etiennc,

No actually Rubi was recruited by NASA as a Space Cadet!
Written by: haitian1804, 12 Jan 2009 5:29 PM
From: Haiti
yeah whatever guys...the only reason that tthere is a such high rates of haitians in those jobs it s because that th dominicans are a lazy nation. I agree that the salary is not high but i ve seen so many dominicans in DR and in Haiti that s starving and would have accept a salary half less han what they r paying the Haitians but they prefer illegal activities...asking if there was any haitians in the Metro construction I answer that the Haitians that have the knowledge to work in a such project are never going to migrate in a country like DR there s two kind of Haitian that move to DR the Haitians student who invade your universities since the major Dominicans don t want to study. and the very low class most of them don t even know how to read but guess what they got it going on anyway cause "in the kingdom of the blinds the one eye peole are kings". So i think you guys should be gratefull it's been 200 years we r building your country for you.
Written by: Lautaro, 12 Jan 2009 5:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
If you're such great builders and we such a lazy nation, then why your country is still such a god-forsaken place 205 years later and the DR is more advanced in every single quarter, eh genius?
Written by: etiennc01, 12 Jan 2009 7:13 PM
From: United States
Josean
I am begining to call up Rabi s bluff.
I don t think he lives in Long Island and fails to observe all these beaufiful mansions owed by the Haitian upper class
What has intrigued the most with Rubi is the fact that he can only sees the filth,the uglyness in Haiti.
He feesl so confortable with fith , sadness,poverty.misery , mediocrity and that is all he talks about
I will bet you if he would visit any country , he would ask to be taken where the poor people live
Take me to the getthos where I can see filth.
No I do no want to see the beautful places, the best hotels. I want to see desolation,I want to smell filth.I want to see garbage.
Wow ! stop I want to smell the foul odor coming from the broken sweing system
Wow ! look at these fithy children running around naked eating mud cake I love it I love it
I love it
I love misery ! Oh Dear God I feel good !!
That is our dear Rubi
Written by: JRRubirosa, 12 Jan 2009 7:55 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Etienn01:

Your Pathetic and mediocre comments are compare to your own people living in 1804 History, never moving forward, gloryfing the past and never being productive or proactive.
My humble and honest opinion is one of the thousands most likely millions not to insult your
little inteligence about your nation stamina and will to achieve something positive on their own
and show the planet that you have something else on your guts other that begging, carrying disea
seas and being a western hemisphere pariah.

You don't have an honor, pride or will since if you would have one instead of whining and looking for guilty characters you and your "dumbass" gang would be in Haiti doing something positive for your own country the same way other people do things for their own country, instead you are planning the second invasion over DR, believe me I do have my sources in the country about your people and this is the reason why I know what I'm talking about.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 12 Jan 2009 8:07 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Etienn01:

Will leave to your nearsighted ignorance, pathetic feelings and Haitian envy to assume whatever
in the heck you want to, I don't need to suffer or prove you anything and regarding Haitians in
NY as far as my knowledge all of you live in the poverty in Brooklyn.
Written by: miloskorac This user is banned, 12 Jan 2009 8:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Who gave jobs to so many Haitians? Themselves?
Bricks & Tiles, Ceiling Items, Cement Products, Chemical & Plastic Items, Floor Items, Hardware Accessories, Marble & Stone Products, Metal & Stainless Products, Partition, Wood Items, Water Resistance Building Material, Fire Proof Building Material, Paint & Surface Coatings, Roofing Materials, Movable Screens, Ceramic Materials, Bathroom Sanitary Equipment Materials, Kitchen System Equipment Materials, Sauna Bath Equipment, Heat-Barriers Materials, Wall Coverings, Building Stone, Building Board, Acoustic Building Elements, Decoration Materials, Plumbing Supplies, Architectural Ironmongery, Prefabricated building Materials, Silicone (Modified Phenolic Adhesive), Toilet Partition and Accessories...

Adam Drucker
Written by: etiennc01, 12 Jan 2009 9:20 PM
From: United States
Rubi has been in Brooklyn checking where poor Haitians live.
That is his mission in life :discorver where Haitians live in misery and poverty and document it.
This obssession with Haitian poverty is beyond me.
I willl leave to qualified professionals to try to undertand this fixation with Haitian poverty .
I have my own idea about what was the sad incident that Rubi has experienced that has turned his life in that direction.

My question:was it really a Haitian who did it ?
We will never know.
How can someone function with so much hate and so much pain?
Will he object to a Haitian kidney should he need one ?
I guess no.he would rather die
This hate is pathological !!!!!.
Poor man,he is just an impotent witness to what is happening over there. All he can do for now is seeking consolation in posting these venom hoping someone will read it and get upset.
Your posts are redundant ,same cries for attention, same desesperation.
Then what ?just nurse your hate
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2009 9:45 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Lie-onel is really a MANCUHRIAN CANDIDATE! His real father was "Papa Doc!"
Written by: JRRubirosa, 12 Jan 2009 9:48 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
etiennc01:

Is not hate or Childish feelings is reality, common sense and information that guides me to
defend my country against your monkeys, the Brooklyn information and everything else
about Haitians is over all the media coverage, I don't have time to F..K around about your peo
ple, is up to You to do your work, if Dominican Republic would be in the same boat as your
country I would be ashamed of myself (because I do have honor) and would be busting my
brain cells to improve my people lives, instead people like you are so "Stagnant" that You
don't have the brain cells to design, create and promote your ideas on a creole website,
instead you enjoy being a parasite violating our customs and beliefs coming to this blog
to post "pro Haitian" ideas that Dominicans don't care!!!
Written by: antonioj, 12 Jan 2009 9:51 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
"Written by: etiennc01, 12 Jan 2009 9:20 PM
From: United States
Rubi has been in Brooklyn checking where poor Haitians live.
That is his mission in life :discorver where Haitians live in misery and poverty and document it.
This obssession with Haitian poverty is beyond me.
I willl leave to qualified professionals to try to undertand this fixation with Haitian poverty .
"
Suffer from a typical case of small penis envy, good try etiennc however do nto waste your valuable time trying to educate, or teach an old dog new trick, Rubia is a funny character. Please ensure that you factor in, his limited mental capacity, in this way you can have a clearer picture of him
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2009 9:57 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Well Rubi good evening to you too!

Believe me I think as highly of you as you do of me my son!
Written by: antonioj, 12 Jan 2009 10:00 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
neon_genesis, and rubi are genuises unfortunately we are stuck with individuals like them in the forum.
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2009 10:02 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Yeah, they are out of this world!
Written by: etiennc01, 12 Jan 2009 10:59 PM
From: United States
Antonioj.josean, some terrifying event has happened to him
May be a Haitian has hurt him or a Haitian had witnessed someone hurting him and did not help or he may have witnessed a Haitian male getting undressed and his whole world has taken a turn for the worse realizing that all men are not created equal.
I can utilize all the resources and tools that I possess in ths field(Psycholody )to give him the tools to fight the demons that have been tormented him

Rubi ,,I need u to get a pillow.
I want u to sit comfortably and I want you to countf rom 1 to 20.
I want you to breath slowly 'Inhale Exhale as u count to 20.I want u to go back to when u were 5 yeras old. Concentrate on what events had caused a lot of pain.
Concentrate on the person who has hurt u
Does he look like Haitian or a dark skind Dominican or u r not sure
Grab the pillow and star hitting a chair
Say: you are going to pay me
Hit harder Harder Harder Harder
Cry let it out
How do u feel now ?
Written by: haitian1804, 12 Jan 2009 11:25 PM
From: Haiti
Rubi needs a psy. if not we r not going to see him on DT no more he might come blow himself with arkatype as a kamikaz....death to terrorism.
Written by: haitian1804, 12 Jan 2009 11:32 PM
From: Haiti
Lautaro:

you can see by yourself that DR have been build by other people Haitians,spaniards........... To answer you Haiti is at this place because of the politicians these bastards,it s not because that we Haitians are not hardworker or smart and have determination.
Written by: Jander, 12 Jan 2009 11:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic
You guys are of on your own agenda, talking crap to each other.

This is classic pissing contest or who's is bigger?

Thats just being rivals and the DR and Haiti will always be rivals.

Just like football teams and high schools , this normal human behavior.

Ruby is proud of his roots and obviously the Haitian team are proud of theirs.

I find it amusing and at the same time just goes to show men will be men no matter where they are from.

So lets hear ' The simian, manly "grunt"
Written by: antonioj, 13 Jan 2009 2:00 AM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
Haitian Dies After Shooting by Dominican Republic Border Guard

SANTIAGO, DOMENICAN REPUBLIC -- A Haitian man died here Monday after being shot by a Dominican border guard while trying to sneak into the country.

The dead man was identified as Schilchid Pie, 20. His compatriot Medeleine Telcide, 36, was also shot and is listed in grave condition at Jose Maria Cabral y Baez Regional Hospital in Santiago.

The CESFRONT border security force says that Sunday's shooting took place while one of its detachments was pursuing motorcyclists carrying 18 undocumented Haitian immigrants into Dominican territory.

When one of the border guards tried to stop the migrant traffickers, the smugglers opened fire, forcing the guard to respond with his M-16 assault rifle, CESFRONT said.



http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=325315&CategoryId=14092
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Jan 2009 8:20 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
And to answer you, my disinformed friend 1804, the spaniards have always been a minority on this land, and excepting the role that they have played on the sugar industry, the role of the haitians have been minimal too. The upsurge of their presence in the other branches of the economy can only be traced to the beginnings of the year 2004, so I challenge you to show proofs that the 50 years growth that the dominican economy have had before that upsurge hasn't been produced by dominican hands. And before you turn your eyes to the sugar industry, I'll have to remind you that ever since Trujillo ceased to exist, the role of the sugar in the dominican economy has been insignificant, its former importance being filled by other traditional staples (rice, coffee, cocoa, etc.), all of which employed (until 2004) a majority dominican labour, which was up to recent years mostly concentrated on the campos of the Cibao, a region that historically have been impacted the less by haitian migration.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Jan 2009 8:30 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
(cont...) the other activities being the free trade zones (which employs a majority dominican female labour). As I told your dearly departed comrades in hogwash Dominicanation and WhySmitty, until you show proofs backing your rantings, then I'll have no choice than to treat them for what they are, that is, as unfounded Bull***. It's so easy to hurl bs at others when behind of a PC, I'd wager that you lack the guts to call a cibaeño peasant lazy on his face, if you're not suicidal, that is. You should be thanking Leonel for allowing the DR to be used as the escape valve for all the mess that elite types like yourself have done to Haiti, cuz' I can't help but agree with Josean on this one, he's really your manchurian candidate.
Written by: etiennc, 13 Jan 2009 12:40 PM
From: United States
ok i am calling for a break
compose yourself and stay put.
save your fire for the next subject
hear me?
ok thank you!!!
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Jan 2009 12:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Sorry for the rant, mon ami, but I couldn't help but feeling stung by 1804's careless remarks, although you can say the same with Rubi's ravings. But there's a subtle difference between the two: Rubi is speaking in the stead of the displaced, diasporic proletariat, while 1804 is speaking in the stead of the one which is the main culprit for the current dilemma, that is, the elites of the island. A thing which makes his remarks all the more insulting, cuz' he's pointing fingers while the tiny minority to which he belongs to have plenty of tail for one to step upon, if you get my drift. Se pone a hablar mierdas cuando la infame minoría a la que pertenece tiene mucha cola para pisarle.
Written by: haitian1804, 13 Jan 2009 2:07 PM
From: Haiti
General hullyses Herreaux son of an Haitian man served as President from 1882-1883, 1887 and 1889-1899, His government undertook a number of major infrastructural projects, including the electrification of Santo Domingo, the beginning of telephone and telegraph service, the construction of a bridge over the Ozama River, and the completion of a single-track railroad linking Santiago and Puerto Plata, i don t have to fullfill the forum with all the proof you can do your own research or you can go back to school Lautaro.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Jan 2009 2:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
I said the last 50 years, and I was talking about a population effort, not the doings of one man, specially when these "accomplishments" banished with his death. Or is it that you have problems with comprehensive reading? (which wouldn't surprise me in the very least, given your misplaced braggadocio). Please, if you have some dignity, don't bring Heureaux into the discussion, specially when this ruthless tyrant helped the Vicini's in the reenslavement of your countrymen on their sugar plantations.

Let me repeat my wish: I want you to give me proofs showing that the astounding economic growth that the DR have experienced on the second half of the XX century (1950-1999) wasn't the accomplishment of the dominican population, the cibaeño one most of all. In other words (in case my earlier sentence was too much for your tiny brain), I want you to prove your BS assertion of the DR being a lazy nation during that half-century span. Understood? Capish? Compris? Verstanden? Entendiste?
Written by: haitian1804, 13 Jan 2009 3:20 PM
From: Haiti
Oh God....ok seems you don t understand a word with your tiny brain you can only see tiny things. my first post said that for 200 years Haitians was helping building your country, Remember DR was a slum when Jean-Pierre Boyer invade it. And during the occupation (what is normal) we build cities ,bridges,roads ....we civilized the place.( do research) and since then Haitians never stop migrate to DR to work as builder or in the canefield and else...and all this bring a huge help to DR, Haiti is one of the biggest buyer of DR products....you focus on (1950-1999). But during all this time Haitians was in DR building everything with some other Nations. What do a Dominican own in Haiti or build in Haiti that can be considered as a help to us or our economy...nada,niech,nothing,rien,anyen. BTW i wasn t honoring Heureaux i was just bringing you the minimal proof Lau.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Jan 2009 3:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Mocking query: Could you please point at least ONE city, bridge, road, etc. done during that occupation? The universal consensus of that time (even from haitian writers) being that Boyer did nothing, nada, niech, rien, anyen on this part of the land, except coercing people to pay an independence debt for a conflict in which they didn't take part in the first place (the one that the french cunningly extorted from your trembling hands), closing universities and churches, and letting the soldiers procure their own pay the bandit way, that is, getting it from the populace at gunpoint, such was the poverty of the haitian state back then, that even european friends like Victor Schoelcher couldn't stop themselves from showing their disappointment with the sad and humilliating state of the island at the time. Moreover, even the african americans that Boyer brought to Samana ended up fleeing back to the USA, choosing to face discrimination on the States better than the privations (cont)
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Jan 2009 3:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
(cont..) and misery they were living on the island, or in their own words "we rather live under the hateful glare of the white man than to live under this barbarism". Again, do more research before speaking, spoiled brat.
Written by: etiennc01, 13 Jan 2009 5:13 PM
From: United States
Didn t I say to hold on the fire ___?
I want a dialogue or a discussion or a debate and I am not getting neither one.
So, it is time to stop this bovine waste slinging.

Written by: josean, 13 Jan 2009 5:15 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Written by: etiennc01, 13 Jan 2009 5:13 PM
From: United States
Didn t I say to hold on the fire ___?
I want a dialogue or a discussion or a debate and I am not getting neither one.
So, it is time to stop this bovine waste slinging.

Thats like asking Lie-onel for results!
Written by: etiennc01, 13 Jan 2009 5:36 PM
From: United States
josean,
Please ask them to stop.They will listen to you.
When el diablo1804 and el toro lautoro are knocking horns, they get carried away.

Written by: lfernandez, 13 Jan 2009 9:21 PM
From: United States
Dominicans need to help Haiti. Dominican leaders need to pressure international organizations and other countries to help develop Haiti. The Haitian government can't do this because it's grossly incompetent and broke, and the haitian elite (MRE) does not care about Haitians and thier country.

There is quite a lot the DR can do to help Haiti - sell it electricity, help create joint special economic zones along the border, provide it with technical and material assistance to get agriculture on its feet again so Haitians won't have to go to the Dominican Republic just to support their families.

A better Haiti will benefit the Dominican Republic. A stable and developed Haiti will stop the Haitian invasion to the DR and stop the DR from becoming Haiti.



Written by: josean, 13 Jan 2009 9:25 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
YOU got to be JOKING, RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"sell it electricity, help create joint special economic zones along the border, provide it with technical and material assistance to get agriculture on its feet"
Written by: josean, 13 Jan 2009 9:27 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
We have no electricity for ourselves, our free zones are bankrupt and our agriculture is in depression!

Did you fall on your head recently?
Written by: etiennc, 13 Jan 2009 9:42 PM
From: United States
We need a new breed of Haitians instead of these fithy vutures
And the dirty elite needs to disappear and return to whatevr country they were from.
Otherwise Haiti will crumble more and more in misery.
I am glad that the Dominicans Republic is buying more war planes.
When they get the signal from Washington they could go ahead , clean up this place and
get rid of this useless style of governement.
Haiti does not need a president nor this pack of ladrones called senators and deputies.
They are all useless and can not conceive any program of governing.


Written by: kmnupe, 14 Jan 2009 2:09 AM
From: United States, NYC
Etienne,

Unfortunately a lot of the elite families have been formed since the days of slavery. Some people are just continuing the legacy of their fathers, that's all.

The foreigners that came during the late 1800s and early- to- mid 1900s are rightfully Haitian. Many worked hard to get " a piece of the pie".

It's not their fault the the African did not take care of their own(in Haiti).
Written by: PROUDTOBEHAITIAN, 14 Jan 2009 3:54 AM
From: United States
The Haitian Government needs to bring back all of the Haitians in DR and make them rebuilt Haiti. The Haitian Government needs to reinstate the Haitian Army to maintain order within Haiti and Haiti's borders. The Haitian Government needs to create jobs and invest in it's citizens. The Haitian Government needs to educate it's citizens and make them aware that people on the other side of the Island have no use and no respect for them and therefore should avoid migrating to the other side of the Island. The Haitian Government needs to implement a zero tolerance policy in migrating to the other side of the Island.
Written by: poponlaburra, 14 Jan 2009 5:03 AM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
Haitian1801,
isn't that funny that that for 200 years Haitians help build the slum that DR was to the glorious place it is now (compare to Haiti), and for those 200 years they have let they own country Haiti rotten with calamities, I wonder why? Remember people make a country and their government. A government does not make a country. So do not blame it on your government.
So come to DR and get all your people. Enough is enough.
Written by: etiennc01, 14 Jan 2009 10:44 AM
From: United States
Now we are getting somewhere.
Stop this Dominican bashing and come and get Haitians out of the Dominican Republic.
Although I disagree with all the cursing and generalizationing from psychos like Rubi and his gang,Dominicans have every right not to want Haitians in their country.
NO EXPLANATION NEEDED
Proud to be Haitian does not mean proud of Haitian history, it means have the courage to say Haiti has been ruined ,traumatized and turned into a failed nation because of the greed,the selfisness,the colon mentality of Haitians.
The world has witnessed the way we treat each other and I do not blame a Dominican who fears that Haitians may bring the same vices to their country.
If we are not able to gather all Haitians and return them home now,perhaps we should be smart enough to shut the hell up and not enrage Dominicans with our stupid and provocative posts full of vain patriotism.
We need to show political maturity and patriotic courage and fix Haiti.
SAVE HAITI
cont.
Written by: etiennc01, 14 Jan 2009 11:10 AM
From: United States
By colon mentality I mean that during slavery the rich slave and plantation owners never step foot in Haiti,
He lives in France enjoying the fruit of slavery
The poor white in charge of the plantations dream becoming rich one day and escape to France to enjoy the money made out of slavery
The mulattoe nurture the same dream as the poor white
The slaves dream one day of becoming free,taking over the country , brutalizing his fellow Haitians, and make enough money and escape to a foreign conutry.
And then the came 1804 and then the former slaves began to kill each other and kill their own people
And then chaos,misery,mistrust,savegery.envelop the country turning it into a failed nation and a public nuisance.
Haitians are a public nuisance to Dominicans and we must redirect our attention and attacks toward those who have brought down Haitia to that low
Leave Dominicans alone and take on the savages and the vultures who have brought us to this forum in the first place
Written by: kmnupe, 14 Jan 2009 11:33 AM
From: United States, NYC
Etienne.

Taking on those vultures?

First of all. there has to be incentives for them to leave the people alone.

Second, if incentives fail, they would have to be eradicated. I don't recall too many peaceful revolutions.

Last, but not least, the vultures (not legitimate, hardworking individuals) are protected by MINUSTAH, the US embassy, The CIA and all those who wish for the country to remain their on-call bitch.

I wish that I had the courage of a Malcolm X and an arsenal of grenades among other things.
Written by: PROUDTOBEHAITIAN, 14 Jan 2009 12:27 PM
From: United States
Haitian1804, Stop your ranting about Haitians building DR. Why don't you advocate for the Haitians in DR to go back to Haiti and rebuild Haiti. Why dont' you write to the Haitian Government to bring it's people back and put them to work in rebuilding Haiti. Only the Haitians can help rebuild Haiti. That mentality of running away from your problems have to be eradicated from the Haitian mindset.

poponlaburra, Only in a democratic Government that people make a country and their government. Haiti never had a democratic Government. Haiti had been ruled by ruthless dictators. The Haitian people are traumatized by the pain inflicted on them by those ruthless dictators. Their only means of escape was to run away. Now Haiti has a democratic Government elected by the people. It is the responsibility of this new democratic Government to educate it's people and teach them that they don't have to run away. They the people are the Government and can and must rebuild Haiti.
Written by: haitian1804, 14 Jan 2009 4:09 PM
From: Haiti
It is true it doesn t matter if you don t want to admit it...They realy help DR to be what it is now. All of you are out of your minds.Human migrations from a place to another exist since the beginning of the civilization. and it is will never stop until the end of it. DR keep complaining about the haitians on their soil, this show how uncivilized they are...let s not lie to ourself how many Dominicans migrate illegaly to the US,PuertoRico,Haiti....? Do you think they do not bring trouble to these nations?What about all the Dominicans Hookers in Haiti? Do you realy think we'r not affected by their presence? What you guys don t understand that it is everywhere immigration is a problem, however it cannot affect a country developement...big Exemple the USA with millions of immigrants from the whole world just make it more powerfull everyday more...Kapitch?
Written by: etiennc01, 14 Jan 2009 5:53 PM
From: United States
Haitian 1804 Let"s talk about human migration or the laws of ecology.(The survival of the strongest)
I am glad that we have stopped posting attacks ,showing vain patriotism. We need to reach deep inside ourselves and deal with the roots of all the humiliations that we experiencing in the Dominican Republic.
Dominicans are not to blame,Haitians are to blame for Haitians eating mud cakes
Men have always wanted to move from a localty where food is scarce to a locality where food is abundant.
When food supply is low the new comers must compete with other emigrants and the sedentaries(live there first) in order to survive
Competition creates ,conflicts conflict means that there is not enough food to share,only the stronger will eat and survive.
The stronger will have no compassion(Rubi)and will extermintate the weaker.
Haitians are the weakest and we are getting signals from psychos like Rubi that if they do not leave the RD on their own ,they will be forced out by any means
Written by: etiennc01, 14 Jan 2009 6:11 PM
From: United States
Dominicans are not (our brothers keepers)
We have been unable to change Haiti because of the opium of Christiany and Voodoo that preach resignation and fatalism.
We are taught that God is the friend of the poor. BULL !
God said in Exodus that he would give us abundance not making us nation of beggars of zombies.
It is a good thing Dominicans finally want Haitian back to Haiti . Start a revolution and get rid of these stincking vultures that have turned Haiti into this hell it is now.
We must be motivated to act and this motivation could not come at a better time from the Dominicans.
We are so accustomed to run from the problem to another country instead of facing the problem and reaching a sustainable solution.The Haitian stinking elite ,these dirty bastards, these fithy leeches are the cause Haiti's misery
Leave the Dominicans alone,They have not enough esources themselves to share
They already spend million of dollars yearly to care for our sicks and pregnant women
Written by: etiennc01, 14 Jan 2009 6:23 PM
From: United States
Haitia1804 , US has the statue of liberty that welcomes immigrants
Dominicans has none and they have made it very clear that they can not feed their own and can not absorb any new Haitians.
If you are such a beleiver of " immigrants make a country stronger " go tell that to Preval and his stinking parasites so to encourage the return of the unwanted Haitian immigrants from the Dominican Republic and make Haiti stronger.
Excuses Excuses Excusees
One day you are cursing the Dominicans and show them how proud you are of your past (Haitian 1804)
Next day you are giving them a lesson in compassion to see if the will accept Haitians

Man , you are so confused. what a coward !maybe too many mud cakes in your empty stomach.

You have never mentioned the name of Preval of your dirty elite who are robbing Haitians of every charity penny sent to them
Written by: etiennc, 14 Jan 2009 8:15 PM
From: United States
Stop blaming Dominicans.
Take charge of the future of your country.
Dominicans do not owe Haitians shelter nor food.
The same pride you display when you are telling Dominicans about your" spotless " and heroic past,use the same pride to gather all Hatians from dominican soil and help them return home.

When you so proudly post the herculean bravery of Capois Lamort at the battle of Vertieres
Do not suffer from partial amnesia, say it loud :that the same Capois Lamort was assassinated by Henry Christophe in their bitter struggle to accumulate riches and deplete Haitian coffers

Tell people of the cowardice of Capois Lamort for having ordered the lashing of a woman who simply failed to say good morning to his wife.

Just a few examples of how Haiti's nightmare began
Written by: haitian1804, 15 Jan 2009 12:01 AM
From: Haiti
Lautaro once The Haitian poor people like the ones who move to DR have nothing to do with Haiti poverty, all this is because of the corrupt politicians...and beleive me we see a revolution coming at the horizon...After all the struggle we ll remember DR as the new Nazi.
Written by: haitian1804, 15 Jan 2009 12:01 AM
From: Haiti
Seems your low level of understanding won t allow us to realy talk about the problem you have said so many things that have nothing to do with my post. The Haitians don't migrate to DR because Haiti have no food, they move because there s Job,because the Dominicans refuse to work,and now they r jealous of everything the Haitians are realizing with the humiliate salary they r receiving. We Haitians take the negative and turn it to positive...we take the dust and make it become Diamond. The Dominicans are Jealous they can t understand where we find the strengh to resist and win after all.like the white world couldn't understand how a few slaves with no military training and no great weapons defeat the Napoleon's Army .As I said to my friend
Written by: haitian1804, 15 Jan 2009 12:10 AM
From: Haiti
Leave the Dominicans alone,They have not enough esources themselves to share
They already spend million of dollars yearly to care for our sicks and pregnant women
from etiennc.

But we r building your resources...what will you do if all the Haitians leave? who will build your houses? don t you see we r 85 % in the construction industry? I don t even think the rest of 15 % are Dominicans...Amazing lazy Nation.
Written by: yumnuk3, 15 Jan 2009 12:38 AM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
Hiede Vivo 1804,
All you can ever do is badmouth us. So far, in all your posts, you have had absolutely nothing positive to say. You're the problem passing on your hate to your offspring ! All you can do is denounce this country, yet you would be the last person to actually step up and do something about it. Typical loser, all you can do is talk bad about our people, blame Dominicans for everything, and whine, whine, whine....There may be a emotionally distressed "child" inside your emotional makeup.
Written by: etiennc01, 15 Jan 2009 1:17 AM
From: United States
Haitian1804 you are experiencing many emotions.
1 Frustration-Haiti is depriving Haitians of the basic necessities in life they have to go foreign lands and endure the humilations of the sedentaries
2.Anger-because u are helpless and can not do anything to a gang that is depriving your peolple of everthying while they are enjoyng a good life
3.confrontative anger-anything u say is to offend and can not be rational
4.displaced anger-u are directing your anger at Dominicans instead at your fithy elite
5.ambivalent anger-sometimes u do not who to realy blame Haitians or Dominicans
6.guilt-u can not help the situation
7 surviviig guilt -why u r not poor yourself
8 shame -deep inside u know that the Dominicans are better off than Haitians
9 fear-what will happen to me if i can not find work in Haiti will I be forced to migrate also to the Dominican Republic
and then you die
Written by: haitian1804, 15 Jan 2009 2:28 AM
From: Haiti
it s so difficult to just find one of you on this forum to keep a conversation with ....I do not talk bad about the Dominicans, I just confirm what is true. Haitians are not responsible for the bad thngs going on DR. DR have resources but the Dominicans can t use their brain to find a way to live. Haitian immigrants send back millions to family in Haiti...where do they find them? what make the difference between the Dominicans and the Haitians that is responsible for the fact they can t work to make money? would you guys pay attetion to an american say it s because of the imm.Dominicans if he can t find a Job? it s just an excuse....So i guess any Dominicans would be glad to hire another Dominican, But the Dominicans prefer to steal instead of cutting the canes, they say "it s for the slave(Haitians)" but they just don t know ......................
Written by: haitian1804, 15 Jan 2009 2:29 AM
From: Haiti
..................the salary of most of them is paying university for their children, some are saving to start a little business....so ask yourself. who is the slave? 'cause all the Haitian knows that "Travay se Libete" = "work is freedom". My advice to all of you is " everytime you fail to do your duty somebody else will do it at your place. And with your racial attitude you won t go far...each time you see an Haitian is doing a kind of work,you classify it as low,too low for Dominicans...good for my smart Haitians.
Written by: poponlaburra, 15 Jan 2009 2:57 AM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
proudtobehaitian and Etienne,
Glad that you have such insight and to help the Haitians. Haitians need to go back and re-build their country. Dominicans should do the same, to go back to DR and give back to their land.

Believe it or not I feel the same towards my Dominican people immigrating when there is not an immediate need for it. It just an easy way and trend and it's happening in most Latin American countries. I knew people in DR (professionals with degrees) living in a good condition, a high quality life you might say, (that a middle class American could not conceive) migrated to USA to live a meager life moonlighting the lowest paying jobs. Incomprehensible! It’s just a trend, it's what is fashionable!

haitian1804, alias dominicanation,
Wow!! ...................................... I.........................................really......................................... started to feel sorry for you....You have no sense of DIGNITY for you or the Haitians.
Written by: Lautaro, 15 Jan 2009 7:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Baboso1804 said: Lautaro once The Haitian poor people like the ones who move to DR have nothing to do with Haiti poverty, all this is because of the corrupt politicians...and beleive me we see a revolution coming at the horizon...After all the struggle we ll remember DR as the new Nazi.

How do you hope to find someone to keep a conversation with when the only thing that you are able to do is to be always whining and complaining about how the world treats you badly because of your color, when in fact your color is only a convenient excuse for you to do nothing? Why don't you man up and stand up against the elites, which are the ones responsible for the sorry state in which your country finds itself in the first place? To have a conversation with someone you have to learn to recognize when your views about things might be wrong, something that you have dismally failed to accomplish on the present case. (cont...)
Written by: Lautaro, 15 Jan 2009 7:53 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
(cont..) but I guess it might be too much to ask of you to stop being a whining weakling and recognize that the solution for haitian problems don't lie in your migrating to the DR, the US or some other place, but in growing some balls and facing the forces inside the haitian country that are stopping it from going forward. Running away from your problems can lead only to their worsening on the long run, and most of all, as ettienc has tried to get into your thick skull, can only end up making your neighbours get more hostile to you, cuz' they can only surmise, and not unjustly, that they have no moral obligation to pay for the dishes that you have carelessly broken.
Written by: etiennc, 15 Jan 2009 12:35 PM
From: United States
I am closing this chapter.
The solution to Haitian nightmare is for Haitians to express their :
1-Shame at seing what a country that we have ruled for 22 years has been able to accomplish
2-Anger appropriately direct your anger at those filthy leeches that have kept Haiti in this misery
3-Willingness to have Balls (Lautoro) to undertake regime and mentality change
4-Pride to tell the Dominicans:look at us now , we made it ,we do not not to come to your country
and endure the humiliations from sicko-wackos like Rubi.
6-Humility to acknowledge that Dominicans do not owe Haitians a damn thing and Dominicans
have every God given right to decide who they want in their country and who they do not want in
their country

Ite misa est

see you soon

Written by: haitian1804, 15 Jan 2009 3:39 PM
From: Haiti
Whatever Lautaro and Etiennc...you r saying that i m the one complaining, but in one of my post it says that this is the Dominicans always whining about the fact the Haitians succeed so well in DR while they r rotting in misery, but they can t see the result is from hardwork. As I always say the Haitians in DR do not represent a danger to them but just affect it the way all the immigran people affect the country they go to...Like the dominicans hookers in Haiti fulfilling the streets spreading HIV. Like the Haitians taking all the Job in DR because they r smarter.Like the other nations move to the USA who the number is almost more than the natives..................... I ope this one will be easier for you both to understand.
Written by: Lautaro, 15 Jan 2009 3:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Hateiam1804 said: "Like the Haitians taking all the Job in DR because they r smarter"

That's BULLSH*T. They're taking them because they're desperate, the alternative being dying of hunger in their own country. Nothing more, nothing less. Heck, they might take them even if the engineers of the construction sites would offer them only their food and a shelter, as it's being done by the multinationals to the chinese kids working on the sweatshops in Hong Kong and in the bateyes under their control in the DR (specially the ones belonging to the Florida based Flo-Sun). You really are insulting the intelligence of your countrymen with those careless remarks, you know, cuz' only someone who have nothing to lose would take the pay that those companies are offering with a cost of living as high as the one of this country (although lower than the one from Haiti, from what some people say). And then you have the gall to demand that someone have a non-confrontational attitude with you. (cont)
Written by: Lautaro, 15 Jan 2009 4:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
(cont..) How can someone be non-confrontational when the only thing that you're capable of is insulting the neighbour? "Don't do unto others the evil that you don't want others to do upon you"
Is that too much to ask from you, hateiam1804
Written by: haitian1804, 15 Jan 2009 4:51 PM
From: Haiti
So will you explain to me why the Dominicans are complaining so much of the presence of the haitians if the dominicans don t need those desperate Jobs that the Haitians are doing? And if you r not agree that the Haitian are 85 % more in the industry of construction, you r going to have to check this with DT not me, And I m wondering what would you say if they published the percentages of Haitians in all the works. to go back to your remark about china; it s construction...not a kind of factory or something else,it s a long and expensive investment that need to be solid well build and comfortable, so no enginneers will take worker just because they accept a low salary and don t care about the result they give. I guess you r agree with me that this 85 % is a result of a good job from the Haitians who definetely build a good reputation in construction in DR,You can check by yourself the houses they builded. BTW my intetion was not to offend you but let s admit ''the truth hurts sometime"
Written by: Lautaro, 15 Jan 2009 4:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
By the way, if you want proof about the desperation that's being experienced by your country (something that you seem to be terribly unaware and oblivious about despite living there), check this out:

http://www.miamiherald.com/1374/v-fullstory/story/849297.html

By the way, how'd you feel if I started to follow your example and say that all the haitians living on the DR can't seem to stop speaking their kreyol loudly every time they address each other (even at close quarters), that they all stink under the armpits, or that they are all cat-eaters, just to mention some of the more common stereotypes? As you would say, the "truth" hurts sometime.
Written by: poponlaburra, 15 Jan 2009 5:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
Lautaro, thanks for the link.
What UN and international help must do before anything else is to bring to Haiti a group of doctors to perform vasectomy to the men and tubal ligation to the women. At this point in Haitian history people should be allowed to have only one child, only one child. Nothing else would help their economy if they keep on adding more mouth to eat and support. Abstinence should also be taught. Did you notice the army of kids in the streets?
My god Haiti looks just like one of the poorest African countries you see in TV.
Written by: haitian1804, 16 Jan 2009 1:01 AM
From: Haiti
One of my biggest problem it s how the media focus on Haiti's misery, all the pictures videos from Haiti were shot in the slum the abadonned place. Like there s nothing good here,Politic to fool the rich nations to receive more money from them.....shame on them.I have so many friends from the whole world who visited Haiti and they think it s crime the way they r presenting Haiti to the world....whateva there s acrisis that affect every country so I don t see why it s Haiti that overturned you...let go man you r going nonsense.....BTW at least try to answer my question on the previous post.
Written by: Lautaro, 16 Jan 2009 7:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
They're complaining about their presence because this one puts a strain to the already thin resources devoted to public services in our country, are you cretin enough not to see that? That for every pregnant woman of your country that takes a bed on a hospital a dominican one gets the service denied. That the overabundance of the inmigrants in some barrios (most of them living all piled up in single rooms) can only contribute to the reappearance of illnesses that were erradicated since Trujillo's dictatorship, like tuberculosis, malaria and dysentery, the three illnesses that are, after AIDS, the haitian populace's everyday bread according to the American Medical Association. That some of them are oblivious enough to urinate and evacuate in the middle of some avenues (as some acquaintances of mine told me that they saw on Sarasota Ave.). Do these points answer your question, hateiam? As the popular saying goes: "No hay cama para tanta gente" (There are not enough beds for everyone).
Written by: Lautaro, 16 Jan 2009 7:48 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
(Cont...) to sum it all up, the dominican populace complains so much about the presence of haitians because, being also a Third World country, the DR simply lacks the resources to deal with Haiti's gross overpopulation. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that this issue is as simple as that.
Written by: Lautaro, 16 Jan 2009 8:38 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Seeing your spirited defense of how things are conducted on Haiti (despite their obvious fatal flaws), I'll not find it shocking to find you agreeing with the tenets of Duvalierism, which sustains itself on the enrichment of a tiny minority at everyone's expense, the vehicle of this enrichment being the promotion of the very "Le Misere" that you criticize the international media for only showing when talking about your country, in order to get the lion's share of every dollar that enters the country by way of international aid:

http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/bookreviews/abbott.htm



Written by: haitian1804, 16 Jan 2009 3:54 PM
From: Haiti
You can t realy complain about all this first of all the Haitians in DR pay a contribution to all this services, ar eyou cretin enough to see that the thin services you r talking about is possible with the taxes of the whole population include the immigrants, if the y r paying taxes they have the right to these services as anyone else. your other point describe what happen in every slum no matter which nationality or which country. India,Brazil,Haiti,DR.....it s the common point of the slums, this have nothing to do with Haitian. your third point about them urinate in the middle of an avenue you r just moking your own country, it proves there s not a law to force everyone to have a toilet in their house and there s not a qualify police dept to patrol the streets and make it impossible to anyone do this... you ll have to pay a visit to here to see your working girls in Haiti streets to know exactly what mean unsociability
Written by: Lautaro, 16 Jan 2009 4:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
You really haven't gone to Cite Soleil, haven't you? cuz' if you'll have gone there (or any other bidonville or flea market on Haiti, for that matter), you'll have seen with your own eyes the people relieving themselves on the sidewalks whenever the opportunity arises. I see that I was right on my assessment of your belonging to the duvalierists responsible for the present mess. Your lack of scruples in pointing fingers at us is incredible, why don't you come down from your mountain mansion (along with your other parasitic accomplices) and see with your own eyes all the miseries that your stealing have brought to your country?

How the inmigrants can pay taxes, when the single room hovels in which some of them live don't have electricity nor running water? heck, the majority of the construction workers LIVE on the construction sites, and without a cedula or any other type of ID the state can't tax them directly, so investigate more before you talk.
Written by: haitian1804, 16 Jan 2009 5:11 PM
From: Haiti
listen carefully lautaro i ll try to do my best to help you understand even if I have to draw you a picture. Everyone pay taxes some more than others, you pay taxes in everything like when you buy a piece of bread, when you make a phone call,gaz......everything,if not they was gonna be cheaper. when you spend any peso there s a sum that goes to the gvt, Electricity and water are not the only taxes people pay and if they don t use it you can t ask them to pay it. so directly or indirectly you ll pay taxes. and you r judging me by telling me I steal my own country and that I have to come down of my mountain mansion...you dont know anything about me so stop it...everything i own is from hardwork and I help so much more people than you can ever be able to count. i hope you got it now how Im gonna link a draw to to you.
Written by: Lautaro, 16 Jan 2009 5:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Then do as poponlaburra says and stop trying to justify your government and elites' irresponsibility towards your people and to create a guilt feeling about a social, ecological and demographic disaster in which we dominicans haven't had a bleeding part in the making in the first place. Is that so hard to understand? we have enough problems trying to deal with the poverty of our own native population as it is to deal with the outcasts of another society. You can't really blame the international media for representing your country the way they do, specially when it's the elites and the government which are the most interested in maintaining that image in order to profit from the duvalierist tactic of looking like a beggar, receiving aid and then stealing it under everyone's noses, and then the cycle starts again and continues ad infinitum...
Written by: haitian1804, 16 Jan 2009 11:11 PM
From: Haiti
But we r not begging at all. and You can t look like Haitian, you can t be this proud. For the whole things we have done in this world we would not trade it for the whole forrtune in thi universe. and you can be only jealous of it...You r going to come back telling me I mliving in the past...at least i have a past. any country have know a crisis during their existence...Haiti is sick but not dead, the empire will rise again like the Phoenix. Hope all of you will still present to admire Haiti in all his glory, we will forgive DR for all the struglle our people suffer on their soil. we r different. we never complaining about your working girls here.
Written by: Lautaro, 17 Jan 2009 9:19 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Of course you won't. It's not the same having 20,000 inmigrants from one country as having 2,000,000. Only a someone like you would ever present the comparison when this can't possibly hold. Those prostitutes can hardly make a dent on any public service left on your country when they only represent a 0.2% of your population (assuming that your country have a population of 10,000,000, cuz' at the rate your people keep having kids one's never too sure), while your construction workers and street beggars represent a 20% of our population, and you still have the gall of complaining, when the US, the Bahamas or any of your Caribbean french "brothers" would never allow this issue to get so out of control as the DR has carelessly done, human rights be damned. Do the math for once in your life, or do I have to draw a picture for you?
Written by: haitian1804, 17 Jan 2009 11:48 AM
From: Haiti
you better draw apicture for yourself Lautaro 'cause the 0.2 % of working girls which is just a rate you feel free to post without any proof, I think it s 6 time more. I m remembering you these prositutes by spreading HIV here in Haiti cause much more trouble here than the haitians do in DR, 3/5 of them are infected. So the math have nothing to do in it. Haitians are building your homes and buildings while your Dominicans are sending the young Haitian men to the grave and being a bad exemple for our daughters, now you see the difference. You r right all the civilized country set up a good politic to control the immigrants problem,except DR which prefer to act like barbarians and hope this will change something,the Haitians move to DR because the dominicans refuse to work and it s a good oportunity for them to help their families they prefer to face your humiliation instead of being a reject of the society...
Written by: Lautaro, 17 Jan 2009 12:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Hateiam1804 said: "you better draw apicture for yourself Lautaro 'cause the 0.2 % of working girls which is just a rate you feel free to post without any proof, I think it s 6 time more."

Then show the proofs about your assertions, mr. affranchi, cuz' my numbers come from the dominican embassy itself while yours seem like another piece of anecdotal BS.

Hateiam1804 said: "the Haitians move to DR because the dominicans refuse to work and it s a good oportunity for them to help their families they prefer to face your humiliation instead of being a reject of the society..."

Yeah, yeah, and I'm the bleeding King of France, give me a break. I guess that you can't stop repeating that BS to yourself before you go to sleep. They're a reject for society because elitistic SOBs like yourself make them so with your parasitic ways and your negative to carry out the reforms necessary to change things over there, nothing more, nothing less. The Nile is not only a river in Egypt, you know...
Written by: etiennc, 18 Jan 2009 7:43 PM
From: United States
Hola por favor I beg you to consider a cease fire until wenesday.
Obama will be swearing next Tuesday and this will affect all of you no matter your skin color,your prejudices,your wealth and what have you.
Please, por favor, je vous en prie hold on the fire !!!

Merci bien Gracias Thank you
Written by: PROUDTOBEHAITIAN, 19 Jan 2009 2:50 AM
From: United States
Lautaro, Haitian1804 will never see the bigger picture. Just ignore him and hope he goes away.
Written by: miloskorac This user is banned, 19 Jan 2009 2:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Lets make an example with Moto Conchos, here in Bavaro thats how some people earn for living, maintaining their families.
So in past months we have more Haitian moto conchos then Dominicans (there was one Chech also). Where ever there is a group of Haitian Moto Conchos, there is a noise, verbal fight all the time. Just at the entrance of Cortecito, and after Cocotal Golf, there are Haitians selleing fals jeans, t-shirts etc.
I haven't seen any dominican actually doing that.

Milos
Written by: haitian1804, 19 Jan 2009 3:29 PM
From: Haiti
I was agree for the cease fire but when he said that " Where ever there is a group of Haitian Moto Conchos, there is a noise, verbal fight all the time" . It makes me laugh, this man need a tour to Boulevard Jean Jacques Dessalines to see the Dominicans prostitutes, or to millenio at Petion-ville to understand what does that mean "verbal fight all the time" BTW it s not even verbal fight no more it s knife fight all the time. other point the fake Jeans, T-shirt etc... selling by Haitians, 65 % of them are from DR factories 20 % from China and the other 15 % are from other countries (include Haiti). So you see before you come up with a such post think and make carefully some research it is not because it s kind of anonymous that you can freely write whatever you want, there s a lot of people reading...Respect them.
Written by: haitian1804, 19 Jan 2009 3:44 PM
From: Haiti
PROUDTOBEHAITIAN...what is this name for? proudtobealavalas,proudtobearatpacaca, proudtobeachimere...these ones goes better with you. we need no self claimig king here, but democratic president, no more guns in the hands of our children in the slums, but bags with notebooks and scholar furniture, we don t need no more of drugs dealer, but legal industry, factories and bussinessman. you can stay to the US like your self claim king JBA will stay to South A...we don t need you here no more, no more bloods, no more killing, no more Chimere... for a better Haiti and a better tommorow that will be possible with the youth generation...farewell criminals.
Written by: miloskorac This user is banned, 19 Jan 2009 3:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
I have nine years in Dominican Republic, passed by Duarte in Santo Domingo more times then you did. Boulevard Jean Jacques Dessalines means shit to me.

Those things that haitians womans takes on their heads, wraps like 40 kilos of clothes, guns, baby hands for soup etc. Thats common, you will not see dominican woman with that.

I had three years in Santo Domingo, two in Santiago, and 4 in Bavaro, and we are worse then every with Haitian Moto Conchos here, I am just telling me as some of my dominican conchos are complaining, Haitian will take a tourist for 50 pesos, and then its taking of the food for a dominican concho.

If you like the motors so much, please do a concho some where else. Why dont you go to Cuba for example?
Written by: haitian1804, 19 Jan 2009 3:48 PM
From: Haiti
"I shall remain in full alert in my post always to dig up these vermin and fumigate them swiftly." you know well your Job boyscout...at least there s something that you can do well, why don t you stop posting on DT?... now you have another occupation. good luck in your insects hunting.. ..poor old boyscout.
Written by: haitian1804, 19 Jan 2009 3:57 PM
From: Haiti
(OMG...can t believe him)....I was just making a difference for you, ok let me explain it to you, Boulevard Jean Jacques Dessalines is in Haiti it is crowdy with dominicans working girls Millenio also. So I suggest you to come take a tour to Haiti and see what s that mean verbal fighting all the time...very often it turn into knifes fight. and please do yourself a favor do not compare our women to yours.... it d brake your heart to know what 95% haitians think about your women.
Written by: haitian1804, 19 Jan 2009 4:01 PM
From: Haiti
it d break your heart so much that you'd like to change your nationality, oh BTW if you ever come to Haiti do not let no one know you r a Dominican, try Puerto-rican or cuban, if not they would probably think you r a thief...it s sad but it s true, it s the reputation that your brothers have
here in Haiti.
Written by: miloskorac This user is banned, 19 Jan 2009 4:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Why dont you write in french if you have so many problems writing English?

WTF FOFLMAO
Written by: haitian1804, 19 Jan 2009 5:05 PM
From: Haiti
"Haitans are changing the look of DR, we are already dark enough." lolllllolll...this is the most outrageous and the most hilarious post I ve read since i m here. Popon, what do you think you are?answer: son of slaves. who liberate the island ? answer: slaves. what is the color of the president of the USA that is feeding you? answer: Black. Do the KKK would have consider you as a white person? answer: No. what is the difference between black,white,asians? answer: no difference....what a pity to see it s still exist people in 2009 living,think and act like cave men. you have an enormous lack of education...BTW to let you know I m not black, but what s the difference my friend? you r stupid if you think there s one....Lau even if we r never agree on this forum, but you have to discouraged this kind of comments here,it ll prove you r a free man not a blind patriot.
Written by: etiennc, 19 Jan 2009 5:15 PM
From: United States
Please t,ake a break.
Listen to this old fellow.
Take a break until wenesday so you can witness a new world order unfolding right before your eyes,
You will still have time to sling shit at each other since this is what you guys do best .

You are not born leaders and can not solve problems but yes oh yes you can create new ones
Please allow me to change your soiled pampers so you can feel clean and witness tomorrow this new madruga
I will see if you will not have enough verguenza to stop this exercise in futility until wenesday
Written by: haitian1804, 19 Jan 2009 5:16 PM
From: Haiti
(A bus driver),Lautaro,it s one man. big differrence between 95 % of a nation and one man, don t you think? it s not stereotype...it s sad but it s true, it s the reputation that your sisters have
here in Haiti. and I think the younger DR generation can change it by sending in Haiti other girls than prostitutes...and I hope if you like your country you ll do the first step. It s ashame for your nation a shame for DR and the worst of it it s the barbarians awful behavior against the Haitians in DR you r ruining your reputation....the truth hurt sometimes, but what can we do? it s the truth. remember?
Written by: PROUDTOBEHAITIAN, 19 Jan 2009 5:34 PM
From: United States
Haitian1804, you have made it clear that you and your Tonton Macoute friends are playing the same old politics in keeping the poor Haitians poorer and pushing them to the Dominicans. This type of Tonton Macoute Policy needs to stop. Why don't you join me in petitioning the Haitian Government to bring back all the Haitians that are in DR and put them to work in Haiti. I would even go as far and petition the Haitian Government to employ the returning Haitians and have them build a wall along the Haitian Border. Also petition the Haitian Government to reinstate the Haitian Armed Forces thus creating more jobs and security.
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Jan 2009 7:47 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
And then in true thieving hatian elite whiner fashion, he has the gall of crying foul when someone tells him the truth in his face, Proud. The truth that he and his Petionville/Kenscoff cohorts are nothing more than vampires that don't know the meaning of earning their bread honestly, or at least not without lording over the misery of their fellow haitians. It's a shame for your nation, hateiam, one that prides itself of being the first one in having eliminated slavery on the continent, to be replicating the same despicable behaviour of its hated french colonists masters of old. Let me give you a sample of your own medicine, hateiam: "it s sad but it's true, it's the reputation that your brothers have here in the DR, of being part of a society that keeps being divided between masters and slaves (even slaving your own children, shame on you!!), it's a mighty damn shame that the younger haitian leadership can't change it's ways by sending in DR other people than their SLAVES!!!!".
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Jan 2009 7:52 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
(cont...) it's not stereotype, its the TRUTH. If Dessalines revived, he would die again of the grief of seeing his country being a slave society, of realizing that it was a worthless act of his part having ordered the extermination of the remaining french colonists when you're so occupied reliving the same vices and corruption that characterized the colonial society, with the aggravating factor that you haven't been able to replicate the astounding wealth that this society got to amass.
Written by: haitian1804, 20 Jan 2009 2:34 PM
From: Haiti
Slaves? big mistake Lautaro...I told you they prefer your humiliation, they prefer you name them slaves instead of being the reject of the society,intstead of losing their freedom, Haitian says "Travay se libete= work is freedom" so you r waisting your time calling them slave cause they know that they prefer to die instead of being slave again. " Libète ou lanmò = freedom or death" this is their code of living, this is what they believe in. BTW not only those hardworkers that you dare call slaves move to DR, but your universities are full of young Haitians and a large amount of Haitian tourists go to your country everyday. Now I wanna hear what else you send us....let s see: 1) prostitutes with aids 2) criminals hiding for DR justice 3),,,,,,,nothing else. but I See you don t have any strengh to say anything about the comments of Poponlaburra I notice you r not a man of freedom that don t say what he thinks but what they ll like...too bad.
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Jan 2009 3:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Let' s see what you send us: 1- Street beggars (be it women or children, or both), usually with aids (are you forgetting that your country is the one with the highest rate of people with aids on the entire hemisphere?)., 2- Slaves to be used by the elites on the construction projects and the sugar cane mills (their levels of illiteracy not allowing them perform anything else)., 3- Tonton Macoutes (like yourself), that serve as overseers for the slaves and also as henchmen to the colombian drug lords, fleeing from US justice (are you forgetting about your pal Guy Phillippe?) 4).....nothing else, except disease, drugs, weapons and backwardness, which includes agrarian practices which lead to deforestation (the level of desertification of your country being the proof). Why don't you give up? for every bad thing that you bring about the DR I can bring ten worse about Haiti that make the DR look like paradise in comparison, so you'd better throw the towel while you have time, macoute.
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Jan 2009 3:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
The only thing that you're doing with your rantings is confirm what everyone knows: mainly, that you're nothing more than a vainglorious baboon, whose only occupation is to vent his envy about the DR by posting nothing more than insults in order to prove a point, whatever that might be. It's not our fault that you and your elite types are so incompetent that you are unable to build something looking remotely like a country. Instead, all that you seem able to do is to remember past "glories", trying to imitate your former french masters to the point of ridicule, or in resenting the fact that we dominicans have built something functional on this island without you being in charge. I really don't blame your countrymen from the populace from fleeing the Gulag (with capital G) that your incompetence, irresponsibility and incurable stupidity have made of what once was a beautiful land. Heck, at this stage even poverty laden Zimbabwe look like paradise in comparison.
Written by: haitian1804, 20 Jan 2009 3:38 PM
From: Haiti
Guy Phillippe? you r going insane now.he s atually candidate to the senate,did you know?stop runnig after your tail.Sorry I can t pay too much attention to your words now, when i noticed that you can t say nothing about your racist friend poponlanburra. you know what they say...if you r agree it s means you can do it too. So maybe there s no difference between you both...you r only writing just to make the time pass, i ve post about the haitians student, you don t say nothing about it, because you can t say nothing about it...saying that my country is with the highest rate of aids in the hemisphere,well thanks to your working girls more than half of the infected haitians have been contaminate by them direct or indirectly...BTW we r still a beautifull land with nice descent and family oriented people...and Guy phillipe never run hiding to DR because of the US justice he went to fleeing Aristide dictatorship...stop posting false information, respect the people here....allright?
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Jan 2009 3:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Oh yeah? Would you have the guts to deny what even your own countrymen say about the guy?http://www.haitielection2005.com/messages.php/522

You're clearly in denial, baboon. Next thing we know, you'll say that Jodel Chamblain is a saint or that he's totally innocent. About the dominican women and aids in Haiti, I just have a request: PROVE IT. My numbers come from the UN, do you have a better source aside from anecdotical bs?
Written by: haitian1804, 20 Jan 2009 4:03 PM
From: Haiti
"In what civilized country do you see criminals/drug dealers like Guy Philippe, Jodel Chamblain are walking freely and innocent people like father Jean Juste, Yvon Neptune are in jail and the democratically and constitutionally elected president of Haiti is in exile." Read this read it again and again and again if you have a brain you ll understand this have been post by a lavalassian father Jean juste is one of the first activist of lavalas Yvon Neptune was the prime minister of Aristide gvt Guy Philippe, was the north police chief on Aristide gvt before he turn agaisnt him Jodel Chamblain worked with Sedras and the intl justice was after him, he promised that he ll surrender to the Haiti Justice after he overthrew the Aristide dictatorial gvt what he did after he fight aside Guy Phillipe, after two years the Haitian justice liberate him in the name of services to the nation "and the democratically and constitutionally elected president of Haiti is in exile." cont/....
Written by: haitian1804, 20 Jan 2009 4:03 PM
From: Haiti
"In what civilized country do you see criminals/drug dealers like Guy Philippe, Jodel Chamblain are walking freely and innocent people like father Jean Juste, Yvon Neptune are in jail and the democratically and constitutionally elected president of Haiti is in exile." Read this read it again and again and again if you have a brain you ll understand this have been post by a lavalassian father Jean juste is one of the first activist of lavalas Yvon Neptune was the prime minister of Aristide gvt Guy Philippe, was the north police chief on Aristide gvt before he turn agaisnt him Jodel Chamblain worked with Sedras and the intl justice was after him, he promised that he ll surrender to the Haiti Justice after he overthrew the Aristide dictatorial gvt what he did after he fight aside Guy Phillipe, after two years the Haitian justice liberate him in the name of services to the nation "and the democratically and constitutionally elected president of Haiti is in exile."
Written by: poponlaburra, 20 Jan 2009 4:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
Hateian alias dominicanation,
Oh Why?why did you removed my comments??
Obsessed with DR and its hookers??

It is so obvious you are so obsessed with DR and its hookers. In every comment you post that is all you can talk about , the working girls.

Let me refresh your memory. Since the beginning of the Aids epidemic back in the 80's, Haiti became the first country in the western hemisphere (behind Africa) to have the highest infected population with Aids, don't you remember. Now you want to drop the ball on us in your try to smear us. THERE IS NO COMPARISONS AT ALL, IN ANY ASPECTS.

Now I have a question for you.
WHAT TYPE OF HUMAN BEINGS ARE YOU PEOPLE OR THE PEPLE YOU ARE DEFENDING THAT ARE SO POOR BUT LET THEIR WOMEN EAT MUD, SELL THEIR KIDS INTO SLAVERY FOR 25 CENTS, AND PAY THE LITTLE MONEY THEY HAVE FOR PROSTITUTES?? Demand-Supply.

WHAT TYPE OF SUB HUMANS ARE YOU TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN?

THAT TYPE OF SUB- HUMANS GENES I DO NOT WANT IN MY COUNTRY.
Written by: poponlaburra, 20 Jan 2009 4:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
Who gives a dam about what 95% of Haitains think about our women. What make you think we care what you think?? Pleeeeeeeeeeeese!
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Jan 2009 4:58 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
If you believe that Chamblain and Phillipe are innocent then that makes you a FRAPH sympathizer, and they, mon ami, are as equally despicable on my book as Aristide's Lavalas. If the international community had some sense, it would devote its resources to eliminating both groups from the face of the earth.
Written by: haitian1804, 20 Jan 2009 5:10 PM
From: Haiti
I don't share my idea with racists Poponlaburra..try someone else...thanks
Written by: antonioj, 20 Jan 2009 5:44 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
"Written by: Lautaro, 20 Jan 2009 3:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Let' s see what you send us: 1- Street beggars (be it women or children, or both), usually with aids (are you forgetting that your country is the one with the highest rate of people with aids on the entire hemisphere"

No longer Lat, I think that is the only area one can see some tangible success in Haiti, actually Haitians doctors are passing they know how to Canada, Africa

Haiti's Response to the AIDS epidemic: a success story.
http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102279765.html

the Institut Haitien de l'Enfance and GHESKIO, conducted four national HIV serosurveys among women attending their first antenatal clinic, which showed a gradual decrease in HIV prevalence from 6.2% in 1993 to 2.9% in 2003.
Written by: antonioj, 20 Jan 2009 6:27 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
"Although Haiti's HIV prevalence has dropped from 5.9 percent among pregnant women attending antenatal clinics in 1996 to 2.2 percent in 2008 of the adult population, according to the latest UNAIDS figures, Grand Pierre estimated that about 22,000 people were still in need of ARVs. Identifying them is difficult, especially in remote areas where there are few health facilities, but the country's HIV/AIDS programme also has other challenges looming"
English Guyana has the highest 2.4

http://www.plusnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=81331
Written by: haitian1804, 20 Jan 2009 10:54 PM
From: Haiti
it s confirmed by Antonio,you r writting jut to make the time past, I m dissapointed by your attitude. Posting false information is a crime, make people beleive what is not true and say whatever to ruin a country image is even worst than a crime...I hope you ll stop now with your lies by respect to all the people here.
Written by: poponlaburra, 21 Jan 2009 4:48 AM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
hatian alias dominicanation,
what type of human beings are you people or the people you are defending that are so poor but let their women eat mud, sell their kids into slavery for 25 cents, and pay the little money they have for prostitutes?? demand-supply.

what type of sub humans are you to allow that to happen?
that type of sub- humans genes i do not want in my country.
Written by: poponlaburra, 21 Jan 2009 4:51 AM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
Hateian alias dominicanation,
I was expecting you not to answer, so what?
Accordindg to you we Dominicans are racist against Haitians, so why do you keep on posting your redundant monotony letany about your obssession with DR and its hookers.
Hateian said "we r still a beautifull land with nice descent and family oriented people" a beatiful land that their own peple are fleeing like rats leaving a sinking boat! nice decent and family oriented people? THe one that sell their children as slave for 25 cents? and the one who spend the money they do not have for a Dominican hooker? I do not blamed them Dominicans are irresistible.

WHAT TYPE OF HUMAN BEINGS ARE YOU PEOPLE OR THE PEPLE YOU ARE DEFENDING THAT ARE SO POOR BUT LET THEIR WOMEN EAT MUD, SELL THEIR KIDS INTO SLAVERY FOR 25 CENTS, AND PAY THE LITTLE MONEY THEY HAVE FOR PROSTITUTES?? Demand-Supply.
WHAT TYPE OF SUB HUMANS ARE YOU TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN?
THAT TYPE OF SUB- HUMANS GENES I DO NOT WANT IN MY COUNTRY.
Written by: poponlaburra, 21 Jan 2009 4:54 AM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
Haitian alias dominicanation,
I was expecting you not to answer, so what?
According to you we Dominicans are racist against Haitians, so why do you keep on posting your redundant monotony litany about your obsession with DR and its hookers.

Hateian said "we r still a beautiful land with nice descent and family oriented people" a beautiful land that their own people are fleeing like rats leaving a sinking boat! Nice decent and family oriented people? The one that sell their children as slave for 25 cents? And the one who spend the money they do not have for a Dominican hooker? I do not blamed them Dominicans are irresistible.
What ever Dominicans do, they do best, and that we got from our SPANISH-TAINO ANCESTRY!
I can see you boiling mad Hateyourself.
Written by: poponlaburra, 21 Jan 2009 5:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
Our country has been thrown out of balance with this Haitian influx. Our country in the recent years has financially and economically doing not so bad, with only 20 % of the DR population holding the jobs, that means, that is to the advantage of the Dominican people to keep the rest of the so 75 % - 80 % job holding. This will bring even more prosperity for DR.
We have too many too many Haitians. This is changing the way we Dominican people look and the way DR looks.
We do not want DR to look like Haiti; we do not want to look Haitians,
The government must curb the Haitian immigration to 5 %.
Our government should implement that if any business prefer to hire the Haitians they should take and run their business there in Haiti, do not come here to disrupt our society and history. They can hire all the Haitians they want in Haiti.
As for the sugar cane, we could use inmates. That would solve two problems. Crime in the streets and lack of braseros.
Written by: poponlaburra, 21 Jan 2009 5:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
Hateian said” "Travay se libete= work is freedom" so you r waisting your time calling them slave cause they know that they prefer to die instead of being slave again. " Libète ou lanmò = freedom” so with this you admit that we Dominican are giving the Haitians freedom, for this you should be very greatfull and shut t..f..up.

“what is the color of the president of the USA that is feeding you?” Say what??? That would be my two arms and my smart professional brain I inherited from my father
Written by: poponlaburra, 21 Jan 2009 5:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
Hateian said” "Travay se libete= work is freedom" so you r waisting your time calling them slave cause they know that they prefer to die instead of being slave again. " Libète ou lanmò = freedom” so with this you admit that we Dominican are giving the Haitians freedom, for this you should be very greatfull and shut t..f..up.

“what is the color of the president of the USA that is feeding you?” Say what??? That would be my two arms and my smart professional brain I inherited from my father
Written by: etiennc, 21 Jan 2009 10:40 AM
From: United States
why do cocks fight ?
Written by: etiennc, 21 Jan 2009 10:52 AM
From: United States
I never knew that your hate for and your fear of each other were so deep seated.
I hope you will mobiize all your spent energies to get your elected officials to act soon in order solve this madness instead of slinging nasty posts at each other in an exercise of futility.
If your elected
officials do not hear your fainted voices , perhaps they know something that you do not know.
Nevertheless, if it makes
you feel good to continue this low road ,well enjoy it I will sit comfortably in my chair and wacth two impotent groups devouring each other.
The rich Haitians and the rich Dominicans will continue tapping their fortunes and money reigns and bullshitters fight.
Now the question who is the biggest bulshitter ?
Written by: haitian1804, 21 Jan 2009 2:34 PM
From: Haiti
I repeat,I don't share my idea with racists, Poponlaburra (it s not all the dominicans it s just you)..try someone else...thanks

Written by: haitian1804, 21 Jan 2009 2:55 PM
From: Haiti
http://abakabay.com/gallery.html maybe this link it s a glance of my country to all of you seating behind your pc posting comments,put your nose outside see the world differently, if you need more links feel free to ask I ll help you discover a new Haiti...(greetings to my friend at Ile a vache.)
Written by: haitian1804, 21 Jan 2009 3:30 PM
From: Haiti
http://www.montcelhaiti.com/english/tour/index.html# another view of Haiti, I know you ll be surprise.
Written by: Lautaro, 22 Jan 2009 8:16 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Thanks for the link, antonio. Although it's good to see that some progress is being made on this health problem, the only way I see this progress being maintained on the long run is the building of a system of highways to reach the montainous villages of the interior. Despite the decline of the agrarian sector and the migration to the coastal cities and to foreign lands, a good chunk of the haitian populace still live on the countryside, so it would be good to know in which of the two zones the treatment advanced the most.
Written by: poponlaburra, 22 Jan 2009 6:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
Hateian1801 alias dominicanation,
I never expected an answer to my question because that you can not answer it. "WHAT TYPE OF HUMAN BEINGS ARE YOU PEOPLE OR THE PEPLE YOU ARE DEFENDING THAT ARE SO POOR BUT LET THEIR WOMEN EAT MUD, SELL THEIR KIDS INTO SLAVERY FOR 25 CENTS, AND PAY THE LITTLE MONEY THEY HAVE FOR PROSTITUTES?? Demand-Supply.
WHAT TYPE OF SUB HUMANS ARE YOU TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN?
THAT TYPE OF SUB- HUMANS GENES I DO NOT WANT IN MY COUNTRY. "
I just proved my point.

Hateian1801 alias dominicanation, you are a rumor weed. If you think you will come here to spread false rumors and insults me and my sisters, think twice. The guilt trips do not work with us, this is coming from a mild manner woman, you have not seem yet a Cibaeno encojonado! Do not start with us.
Abaca bay- Wao not a single soul in the beach!! I wonder why? Where are the tourists! They should rename it "deserted bay"
Written by: haitian1804, 22 Jan 2009 10:01 PM
From: Haiti
Can somebody please tell this guy I don't talk to racists, if he wants to apologize,After...maybe I ll tell him what I think about all this.
Written by: PROUDTOBEHAITIAN, 23 Jan 2009 2:41 AM
From: United States
poponlaburra, "mild manner woman" ?

Umm, I would not want to be on your bad side than.
Written by: HarryJeanLouis, 2 Feb 2009 2:41 PM
From: Haiti
Written by: Jander, 12 Jan 2009 10:39 AM
From: Dominican Republic

If Haiti could just stabalize things and like Wyclif said 'make a dent' then I beleive the rest of the world would stop ignoring them, but as was said the world is tired of Haiti as they been given billions and no progress has been made.

When a country has to put it's faith in a Pop Star that says it all right there.

Let me rectify, they gave Haitians, billions, not Haiti...People should know by now that if something needs to be done (don't relay the task to someone else, do it yourself...)
Written by: HarryJeanLouis, 2 Feb 2009 2:55 PM
From: Haiti
Guys and gals, all I can say, after reading all your comments, is: there is a little bit (actually a lot) of truth on both sides. One thing is for sure though, until we get a government of prideful people in Haiti, this problem will never ends. You take any group of people and take everything away from them, they will find a way to survive (through humiliation or not). The haitians cross the border into the Dominican Republic, The Dominicans go to Puerto Rico (where they pass themselves as Puertoricans to get to the United States), The Mexicans cross over to the US, see the trend...People just want to survive. There's always been bad blood between Haitians & Dominicans, it's deep, from far back in time....this argument will never ends....
Written by: HarryJeanLouis, 2 Feb 2009 2:58 PM
From: Haiti
Hey Jander, dude, noone is counting on Wyclef to be the saviour of Haiti. But, what he is doing, commands respect, even from a jerk like you bro.
Written by: etiennc, 2 Feb 2009 8:03 PM
From: United States
Harry I am a litttle bit naive,What has Wicleft actually done for Haiti?
Every artist has their own gimmicks to advertise their products, Haiti serves well for Wicleft,don't you think so ?
Written by: etiennc, 2 Feb 2009 8:13 PM
From: United States
Harry , I am a little bit naive,what hasWicleft actually done for Haiti ?
Artists have their own gimmicks for marketing their products and enrich themselves. Haiti 's flag has worked wonders for Wicleft.
Knowing the mentality of Haitains ,if Wicleft was indeed working for the advancement of the Haitian people ,the dirty elite would have demonized him , called him a communist, assassinated his character and ultimately marginalized him.
Wicleft is just another sweet micky out to make a few bucks.
If wicleft was serious about promoting serious Haitian musicians , he would have chided away from mediocres like T-Vice and Sweet Micky
Written by: miloskorac This user is banned, 3 Feb 2009 12:29 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Ok, lets compare two Moto Concho rides. One with Haitian Wily, and one with Dominican that I dont know the name, but I remembered the face, so that I dont take him ever again.
From El Dorado, entrance of Los Corales, in Bavaro, Punta Cana, one moto concho (for one person, also can be two, three, and the washing machine over all) to Plasa Brisas or Plaza Estrella its 50 pesos (1.4USD$), and in Higuey is 30 pesos. So Haitian moto concho know that I am going to give him 25 pesos for half distance (thats 71 cents) but he takes that as I get 4 rides a day 100 pesos, (2.85 USD$)

What about dominican moto concho, well, he wanted to charge me 100 pesos for the ride of 50, after nine years living here, I honestly gave him 50 and major serbian bad words. dike, tigeraje
Written by: miloskorac This user is banned, 3 Feb 2009 12:30 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
To resume:
2.85 x 26 days = 74.1 - Haiti
2.85 + short course of serbian bad words - Dominican Republic
Fact is that: Haitians are working hard, and Dominican as allways, having fun with tourists, sankipankiando, por ahi por alla.
Written by: dreadlocks, 3 Feb 2009 8:16 AM
From: United States
miloskorac, having lived in this country as long as you have, you will understand a major flaw in the dominican psyche; the tendency to think only in the moment. so, instead of charging you a reasonable rate, and probably securing you as a semi permanent client, he will seek to rip you off for 20 pesos, and lose you for life. it has always been something which boggles my mind, and speaks to a condition wherein desperation overrules good judgement. offer the aeveryday dominican the option of 10 pesos now, or a steady 5 pesos per day in perpetuity, he will, more often than not, elect to have the 10 pesos today, and let tomorrow worry about itself.
Written by: miloskorac This user is banned, 3 Feb 2009 9:05 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Yes, that what Bible says, dont worry about tomorrow, let tomorrow worry about itself..
But you get the point how the klishe with Moto Concho is refelecting to our dominican economy, and construction workers, as thats the topic.

How Government is is preparing and educating young construction workers in DR?

Dread, how many masonic posts do we have on this page?
Written by: dreadlocks, 3 Feb 2009 9:12 AM
From: United States
milos, you lost me with that question. i am a man of simple intellect, so please clarify it for my benefit. this thread is so stormy and accusatory, i have kept a sane distance
Written by: Lautaro, 3 Feb 2009 9:29 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
milos asked: How Government is is preparing and educating young construction workers in DR?

The answer is that the gov. would have none of it, cuz' a better prepared workforce is also more prone to fight for its rights. The only way they would start to do such is for the emperor to issue an ultimatum. After all, both Hipo and Leonel have made it clear in no uncertain terms that this is the gringo's backyard, so it's not a long shot to say that the workers' current condition will change only if Obama make good of his electoral promise of demanding the application of the labour rights chapter of the DR-CAFTA to our countries.
Written by: HarryJeanLouis, 3 Feb 2009 1:56 PM
From: Haiti
Written by: etiennc, 2 Feb 2009 8:13 PM
From: United States
Harry , I am a little bit naive,what hasWicleft actually done for Haiti ?
Artists have their own gimmicks for marketing their products and enrich themselves. Haiti 's flag has worked wonders for Wicleft.

etiennc, I have read your comments and I truly agree with you. Let me rephrase, what I meant to say, was: as little as one can do for our compadres, even for a very selfish purpose (if it's not done in a demeaning manner), it should be welcomed and appreciated. As bad as things are in Haiti now
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