Oui Oui Oui ......................all the way home

Josean can now return to his native tongue

I think we should reject that offerd, it might come back and buy us in the rear,,,,the French have a second agenda, i will rather give the project to the portuguese

we should be thankful if anyone takes it .....Portugal does not have two escudos to rub together

Finance the project does not in any way mean that they will pay for it. They are going to "lend" us the necessary funds and then bleed us to death with the interest.

They need a Metro from the airport to the city. Those taxi drivers are bandits with those prices.

Who's gonna ride it? The first one is empty? Not even the ladrones rides the Metro...there's nobody to rob!

doggy you should know

Telemeco you might be on to something. Reading from the other article that is on the headlines today about the france meeting, one can assume that France has ulterior motives at hand. Very peculiar. This offer should be looked at a bit more closely.

" dont look a gift horse in the mouth "

Great news!
France has the fastest unmanned metro in the World - you can go up front to where the drviver normally sits. Think of the savings in staff costs if they do this in the DR!
http://www.atkielski.com/PhotoGallery/Paris/Metro/MetroCarSmall.html

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abc there is one leaving in ten minutes ......be under it !

Oh - you do have a problem Blut! The original latter day luddite as he blows up his TV's to leave them broken down in his establishment.
S.

is there an inside TV joke that we are missing?

you have not returned the remote yet

What's the catch frenchy?

Don't trust the French, look at how they don't help the haitians they are supposed to help

will the illegals sit at the front of the train or the rear?

Is this part of LF horse trading idea. He turn a blind eye to the Haitian illigal migration issue France just got to throw a few dimes in his pan. Def a win win situation for France , a lot less than what Mr Aristide was demanding.

Wait a minute I thought his political party leader stated here a few weeks a go LF told his French counterpart before ,DR sovereign was not for sale? Was that statement for the local media. Are you sure
you can tell the French what to do when you come as a beggar.

Hey MSjersey

Is the picture becoming clearer to you. Now you understand why LF is becoming Haiti biggest spoke person as stated by you yesterday. What do I know Im just a dumb Haitian!

Hate to sound nasty, but....
Nothing like a good old visit to France, you go in empty handed and say one thing, then come out with a........METRO.
GOOD LET THE NEW FRENCH TOURIST RIDE THE NEW METRO......
I sure hope the new french tourist aren't afraid of the dark, if and when the power goes out.
God help the DR from becoming the future Mexico. LOL ! I could see it now, the new metro becomes a new drug smuggling apparatus, we can at least then call it the "LE Frenchy connection part 2"
VIVA LA FRANCE

From technological standpoint, I'd favor the French over the Portuguese to build METRO or railway system and that is from personal experience, as my company has several plants in Portugal which I visit frequently.

The rest of this deal concerns me greatly, since I do not trust Sarkozy's motives very much, and I believe he has ulterior motives. LFR is correct prey because of his administration's corruption and greed. I do believe that the French have expressed their wish to homogenize the island and turn it into a single state.

I don't suppose the French learned anything from Bastille. Perhaps a reminder should be in order.

MJEV.

glomar, my sentiments exactly. why would someone toss a billion or so at a project which has no chance of making a positive return on the investment?

You guys are missing the whole point. It will be french companies that build the next line of the Metro. Anyone who thinks that it will be any other than OUR Dominican money that pays for it is really dumb. This is not a gift, this is a loan. That is why soon the govt will be paying 50%of its tax income to the banks to whom we already owe too much.

Glomarexplorer & Dread

good observation as usual. In matters of States you never get something for nothing.

PatD,

Thanks for kind comments.

Dr. Dread is way more deserving than I, however.

Dr. Dread,

You are the economist and, if you see it that way, perhaps we should refuse these overtures until they are fully understood.

xw TV-'s blut has a doss house ( 0 stars ) in SD with broken down TV's.
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Ok the west east metro or train for the chimpies go and comes fast to haiti with no soldiers asking for money and besitos , is the best way to bond the two countries in one only. Lienel is very smart he sales all the country and let their money overseas.

I think the French Revolutionaries were wrong to behead Marie Antoinette even though her husband was guilty as hell, however world ward II have proven that their arrogance only serve them to surrender in mass.

Meeting the french Lie-onel want the UN to stay in Haiti for another 10 years

http://metropolehaiti.com/metropole/full_une_fr.php?id=16148

Antonioj:

Sorry to say but I respect you !

pat,

we as a country are not haiti's way to heaven; It does not matter what the frenchfries do, and you know it; don't get me wrong, I would like to see haiti prosper beyond anybody's imagination, even more than D.R. maybe we would have to migrate to haiti in search of food and money, but if the international community leave the problem to D.R. alone, or to both country by themselve, we are not going to see the light at the end of this tunnel called misery.
It doesn't take a GREAT thinker like you to figure this one out.
Then again everything here it's just mere speculations.

Why don't the French finance the reconstruction of Haiti after all they are the original rapist of its wealth?

A promise from the French is like a promise from LIE-onel Fernandez, CACA!

MsJersey,
An interesting true twist of reality, "We'll look in the mirror yet, we don't like the reflection".

Go METRO!! I can't wait for lines 3, 4 and the one from Santo Domingo to the Las Americas Airport.

Glomar, you couldn't say better, as always!
"The rest of this deal concerns me greatly, since I do not trust Sarkozy's motives very much, and I believe he has ulterior motives. LFR is correct prey because of his administration's corruption and greed. I do believe that the French have expressed their wish to homogenize the island and turn it into a single state"

Leonel should back down from that deal and get the loan from someone else that do not have an ultimate motive beside financial gain.

THIS IS A FAUSTIAN PACT! And the one to loose will be the Dominican mass.

France wants to look altruist, showing off by trying to do something good for the Haitians. France wants to make up for whatever happened between it and Haiti on our expense, on our sovereignty.

What is going to happen next!? France will ask from us to do what they want to do or they will ask for the money back at an unreasonable time.

Leonel should back down from THIS FAUSTIAN PACT!

DR can always default - and dollar may devalue real quick against the gold DR is mining.
no-one can take back holes in the ground.
If lines are built oil import bill should go down.
Fact is France needs jobs right now and there may be a good deal....
DR could become a major hub for the region...... like Singapore.
S.

Abc200,
"DR gold mining" special thanks to Oh'Blama's economic socialist policy's the dollar will go down......I can only hope the Dominican miners [if any] don't get the same treatment the Spanish gave the native Tiano's of Quesqueya starting late 1400 century threw the early 1500 century.

The DR will default, just wait and you'll see, I like many won't be shocked or surprised.

Maybe the DR can use "those holes in the ground" as bomb shelters or for planting mangoes.

"oil import bill should go down" then oil prices will go up and up and up.

"France needs jobs right now" not like in the DR.........right now.

The DR is far from Sing-sing-apore, try like half way around the world near economic booming China the new world Capitalism.

abc, what do you mean default? and then what? Elaborate please.

An example of a default is Argentina in 2002. World capitalist sytstem is unstable and countries will default from time to time. Since 2005 poverty has considerably reduced in Argentina.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_economic_crisis_%281999-2002%29
Default is when a country no longer pays interest and/or capital repayments on loans. The bonds it has been issued although highly decorative are worthless. Russia had a default in 1998.
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If a country borrows lots of money, say to build a metro, then defaults the country gets the asset for near nothing. If it borrows in dollars and and mines gold to pay back if the dollar price of gold increases by 100% it only has to pay back half the amount of gold that it could have bought when it borrowed. Of course the DR has lots of gold in the ground and with friendly nations such as Venez it can pay back loans with food/ tourism etc. One time in my home town a company sold Poland some radios and took bacon in exchange. For a time there was a lot of Polish bacon in the shops.
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Jobs for France and DR - Metro will have construction and running staff in DR. Replacing car journeys will save imported oil. Its true rickshaws might provide more jobs and save more oil but special rickshaw tracks would be needed. Bicycles also would save oil but not necessarily create jobs.
http://www.londonrickshaws.co.uk/
S.

Everybody is entitled to an opinion, here's mine.

I THINK I GET IT NOW.......
I really don't believe the DR has that much gold left to begin with [gold the international currency], much was taken by the Spanish in the early 1500 century threw slave labor and is somewhere distributed all cross Europe. Greed repeated in Mexico, Central & South America.

The idea that gold is some what plentiful and still waiting to be found is enough to let "Da Money loans roll in", with false hope of being re-payed back plus interest and in the end the People get it in the end literally.

Question: what happens when the value of Gold drops internationally [ I predict in the mid to late first quarter of 2010] and with not much gold found in the DR ?

End result CHANGE "The Oh'Blama way" MORE NATIONAL DEPT.

I HOPE I'm wrong. GOD save the DR from those who seek to control every aspect of our lives thus rendering us controlled and totally dependent.

Abc200,
That sounds great, but.....
Temporary jobs for Metro construction for the locals, then what.
Why not go the route of the monorail ?
Why not build a bicycle factory in the DR ?
Why not build badly needed roads and fix the existing ones.
Adding more, and more and more without the thought fixing the DR's infrastructure does not make economic sense.

ABC, do you know what happens to entities (people, countries) which default on debts? yes, they get no more money in time of need. also, the aggrieved parties can lodge claims against their assets abroad. you think you can stiff the World Bank and get away with it, in the long run? why do you suggest such idiocies? on the subject of "bicycle factories"...how about bicycle assembly plants, instead? we have no foundries to make the parts, ABC. on that note, assembly plants should be examined by Leonel, rather than his current modality of globetrotting with his hat in hand, like a Times Square panhandler. the the most commonly used, and bought, big ticket item is electrodomestics. washing machines, dryers, refrigerators, freezers. they are not rocket science to put together. those things should not be coming into the country assembled in containers. neither should passolas, which are child's play to assemble. even the small motorcycles, those ubiquitous "cien" yamahas, and their like,

should be put together here. at least, some of them. but Leo does not want to push for this, and give his people some employment opportunities. because then, they will become independent and empowered, no longer dependent upon charlatan political thieves for a handout. heck, they even might end up going to school, educating themselves, and challenging the status quo. what good would that do?

While LIE-onel Fernandez is hopping around in Europe, all this lady wants is clean water:

http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=123867


¿Y no Era Y Que Pa’Lante Que Íbamos?

"Written by: josean, 5 Dec 2009 1:25 PM
From: United States
While LIE-onel Fernandez is hopping around in Europe, all this lady wants is clean water:

http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=123867


¿Y no Era Y Que Pa’Lante Que Íbamos?
"
more metro, more clean water

The PRIORITY is the lack of potable water.

In all of recorded human history there still is not one case of people dying from a lack of METRO!

whip them, Dean Josean, whip them till it hurts. as well it should.

dread,

First of all how are you my friend?

It is amazing to me that otherwise intelligent persons here on DT, at least way more intelligent than me, in the 21st century still can’t decipher the difference between a want and a priority!

because, Dean, in their cases, wants are priorities.

fric and frac continue to massage each others testicles while they hold each others pitchfork .....{Not that there is anything wrong with that }

Many accidents happen on roads - metros are safe.
S.

No foundries required to make bicycles.
http://www.americanbamboo.org/GeneralInfoPages/BambooBicycle.html
Schools could grow the bamboo and as part of their craft studies children could make them saving imports..

In the reference I gave you Argentina's poverty is reduced a short span after the default. When a default occurs people actually have to grow things, make things rather than strut around university campuses learning law, ride in their SUV's and go to fancy restaurants eating imported food. not so bad an idea. Motor cycles I see coming in are pretty well knocked down - dealers assemble. A high degree of automation and continuous 24 hour production is needed to make say engine parts or press frames - difficult for a small market. Its better to tax imports so existing imports are repaired for a long life, say 10 years plus for a motorcycle, 20 years for a car.
Experience of my friends working at a freezer factory in Scotland was that there must be

government support, research support, market portection for success.
http://www.norfrost.co.uk/products.html
I bought a ches\t freezer for my new business makde in China and it incorporates some nice desing features. Empty the, the worst case condition for a freezer, at approx 30 deg ambient and with inside temperature of -20 deg. C. it used .7 kwh /day. Not so bad. If the government had a small team going round advising on energy efficiency I'm sure they could close one power station. Energy efficient light bulbs are mandatory in Europe - for example. One hear's horror stories of one small restaurant seating 8 having 6000 pesos ( at 13 peso unit ) electricity bill per month.
For reference the best freezers are possibly those expensive 12 V units. Their consumption is:
http://www.norfrost.co.uk/products.html
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your new business ? pray tell, give us the details of your capitalistic venture .....who are you exploiting ? what is the scam ?...timeshare business not what it used to be

Am setting up an honorable society of pumpkin eaters with very exclusive membership. Robert McBride when he composed the Pumpkin Eaters Little Fugue for orchestra gave great inspiration to all those lovers of a little japery , the yellow flesh of the pumkin and the rhyme:
Peter, Peter pumpkin eater,
Had a wife but couldn't keep her;
He put her in a pumpkin shell
And there he kept her very well.
Membership will obviously appeal to the discerning individual and a full range of pumpkin related epicurean delights will be available. including pumpkin French toast to delight the Americans.
http://artnow.ru/img/14000/14391.jpg
So there: I have made the revelation and membership application kits will shortly be available.
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