Port-au-Prince.- The lower house of the Haitian Parliament voted this week to
raise the minimum wage in the assembly sector from 1.29 dollars (70
gourde) to only 3.20 dollars (125 gourde) per day, rather than the 5.12
dollars (200 gourde) which had been demanded and passed.
This
exemption must now be approved by the Haitian Senate. Preval, bowing to
pressure from business owners, had refused to sign a bill which called
for an across the board increase in the minimum wage to 200 gourde a
day.
He returned the bill to Parliament on Jun. 17, recommending
instead that the minimum wage for an eight-hour day be fixed at 125
gourde. The "assembly sector" is defined as those industries whose
products are dedicated to re-exportation.
The close vote of 38 for to 36 against, held by secret ballot
as permitted in the Constitution, opens the way to a resolution of the
disturbances that have rocked the Haitian capital since April.
Industry leaders had threatened that if they were forced to
pay the minimum wage of 200 gourde a day, as proposed, many of the more
than 300,000 workers might lose their jobs.
Written by: generoso, 23 Aug 2009 12:59 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
And the Haitians complain when they come to DR and get paid cash for illegal construction work for five times that amount, (US$15.00 a day) plus free health care, housing, security, running water, and other goodies they never had in their homeland.
From: Dominican Republic
This is a big problem! Haiti has not raise it's minimum wage for a long time FORCING THE HAITIAN TO MIGRATE TO WHERE HIGHER WAGES ARE WHICH IS DR! DR continues to increase its minimum wage and that ACTS LIKE A MAGNET THAT DRAWS THE HAITIAN.
Haiti is ON PURPOSE keeping their minimum salaries low TO FORCE THE HAITIAN TO MIGRATE. This is how the displacement of the Dominican by the Haitian is being fueled! At the same time, the corrupt in Haiti continue to maintain their profits!
The combination of 310,000 newly born Haitian every year, low salaries, and low opportunities greatly push that humanity towards DR where there are no physical barriers to the jumping Antelopes and in DR, there are the proHaitian who are orchestrating their actions to give a warm welcome to the illegal!
From: United States
"el fosforo , so far you are doing great.
Do not let anybody disrupt your thinking .
Follow Roso's example
From: Dominican Republic
So now Etien is a cheerleader too? Is she wearing skirt, pom pom, and pantyhose? Psychiatrist, judge, professor, evaluator, and selectively blinded to Haiti's guilts and wrong doings!
From: United States
el fosforo , you have finally discovered my game.
From: United States
read all my posts to verify if I had not been hard on these cynical vermines that have turned HAITI into the HELLITI it is now .
From: Dominican Republic, Boca de Chavon
Firstly i can assure you that in the 3 construction companies I know personally here in la Romana, the wage per day is no where near $15 a day ,,I can only talk about here and not in the capital.I had some renovations in my home here and one day the haitian worker hurt himself ,,he was alone and I drove him to a doctor and then home ..he had no power, no fresh water and definitely no security ,,his pay then was between 100 and 15o pesos a day ..maybe just a little more than the haitians working in the sugar fields.
But if the minimum wage was raised in Haiti I am sure many less would come here looking for work and the Dominicans could do the work , but with less diligence and energy. There is huge wealth in the hands of a few in Haiti and their government needs to take a stronger stand so the workers can earn more, There are a very large number of students paying good money to attend universities in the DR and of course many rich Haitians living in the DR.
From: Dominican Republic, Boca de Chavon
I hope that the aid being given to Haiti by Europe and the USA will be in the form of work being generated there and not just cash handouts
From: Dominican Republic
Ricardo, logical fallacy: Never extrapolate or scale up personal experience to the whole nation or situation.
Remesas haitianas
http://www.rumbodigital.com/editorialedit42.htmEstoy seguro que todos estos hermanos haitianos que hacen vida, se sostienen y mantienen sus familias que viven en Haití a través de las remesas que se calculan en unos RD$800. millones mensuales tienen una opinión diferente de República Dominicana como país receptor de los haitianos.
From: Dominican Republic
Ricardo!
Haitianos envían remesas por US$350 MM anual desde RD January 28, 2008
http://www.bancentral.gov.do/otra....as.asp?a=listindiario2008-01-28-1 Los haitianos residentes en República Dominicana envían alrededor de US$350 millones anualmente a sus familiares en Haití, a lo que se suma la incuantificable cantidad de alimentos y medicinas que transportan desde este país para beneficio de los suyos en la vecina nación.
Así lo establece un documento suministrado por el Instituto Azucarero Dominicano (Inazúcar), el cual sirvió de base para una presentación que hizo el director de la entidad, Faustino Jiménez, en el marco de su reciente participación en un cónclave internacional sobre la producción de azúcar, efectuada en Londres, Inglaterra.
Según los datos, alrededor del 76% de los haitianos residentes en República Dominicana viaja con cierta regularidad a su país para visitar sus familiares. Destaca como un elemento importante el
Written by: generoso, 23 Aug 2009 8:17 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Ricardolito
The average pay for a Haitian construction worker in Bavaro, Samana or the capital is $15 a day in large construction projects, where they usually sleep inside the building being built. They have access to public hospitals and the same facilities as Dominicans as far as water, security and transportation services.
The $6 a day figure you mentioned, if true it may be in a local, microcosmic scale and not the norm, but even if true it is still twice as much as they could get in Haiti if the bill is signed, and 4 times more than they are actually getting now.
The treatment of Haitians and Dominicans in La Romana, and Casa de campo is one of the worst in the country considering that the homes there are the most expensive in the island. The Cuban Fanjul family, multi multimillionaire sugar barons, are known for the exploitation of both Haitian and Dominican workers, and have a sad history of poor worker policies.
Written by: oupala07 
, 23 Aug 2009 8:32 PM
From: Canada
Thanks Generoso for the info, it is very enlightning indeed.
I am sorry that my comments may have offended you guys, and I apologize. However, you must admit that there is indeed a subtil color problem in your society. What you don't understand, and I don't think I'have enough allowed caractères in order to explain it to you, however, I am going to try to resume it at best.
I am Haitian and I consider myself one of African origin by my features even though I come from a very mixed family from my father's side. I am not going to waste my time about racism inside the mixed Haitian family, let's say that I grew up, thanks to the education I was fortunate enough to receive, and a good knowledge of our history, I grew up with the love of my country and my people.
I love the Dominicans even though the first one I knew was the most beautiful mulatto woman restaurant owner I've ever seen in my life and I was just 5 years old.
From: Dominican Republic, Boca de Chavon
the 3 companies I know in la Romana employ only about one truck load of workers each and build houses and shops but not large hotels ..the owners are all Dominican and I am sure do not pay the health insurance ,,in fact my home in la Romana is relatively small but i need security and some house help and when I offered medical insurance they were surprised as there seem to be many loopholes for employers not to pay .I have yet to see any haitian worker living in reasonable conditions and when i go to the bateys to give some gifts, I almost cry at what I see ,,but before anyone jumps down my throat , I also see dreadful conditions that Dominicans live in , especially along the river in the capital so is bad for anyone without money. I just want a better distribution of wealth in Haiti and in the DR
Written by: oupala07 , 23 Aug 2009 8:46 PM
From: Canada
In my teen age I had one of the bravest and most honnest for friend. There wasn't a question of black white, african, taino bull shit, there were only haitians and dominicans. When I met my Dominican girl friend, I found it normal to love her, it was like loving another beautiful Haitian girl, but I had the impression that she was better, because she was foreign.
Now, we have all this socio political mess which has devided us so much that I don't think we will ever found back that mutual respect.
Do not put in your mind that my concern is uniquely vectored toward Haitians, no my friend every Black Dominican Haitian or not is my concern on your land, this is what I call the bond of kinship.
And this bond of kinship extends even to the whole Dominican nation, because if the blacks are my brothers, the remaining dominican population of a different skin pigmentation will always have my regional support :
Written by: oupala07 , 23 Aug 2009 9:02 PM
From: Canada
Its suvivial is my survival even though he seems not to understand the concept. We will continue to massacre each others the same way the two Germans tribes who gave the Francks of France and the Germans of Germany. I hope we will not spend more than a millenium in order to achieve piece, because we must remember that those two groups of fellows have ceased to massacre each other only in 1945, and they had started with Clovis.
As piece dividend, they now own the biggest chunk of Europe, and they're not finished. Even the American cannot challenge them now.
I sincerily do not think that you deserve such support and loyalty, but if you go down the whole island will go down, if you are at war, we must feel threaten too and entervene by your side, but you have preferred to think small and sell the real nationalist Dominican pride to a Super Power that considers you more as puppet than a partner. I am deeply ashamed of what those two countries have become. Sorry, I'll die abroad.
From: Dominican Republic
The salary that Generoso mentioned ($15.0 dollars per day) matches the minimum Dominican salary before the 2008 adjusment (by 12%). Therefore, that salary rate makes sense! That rate explains the $350 million dollars Haitian send to Haiti every year from DR! There is no argument that the termites are making more wealth on DR that on the western latrine!
8/11/2007
El entierro del pobre
7:11 PM - Analizando el valor de un enterramiento con un mínimo de decencia para la familia de una persona fallecida de escasos recursos económicos, el cual pueda expresar respeto por la perdida de un ser querido.
Tomando en consideración que el sueldo mínimo promedio es de cuatro mil setecientos($4,700.00), para un pobre poder enterrar a un familiar con un mínimo de decencia debe de invertir más de tres sueldos y medio, colocándola en una situación mas difícil.
From: Dominican Republic
Origins
Germanic tribes from ca. 100 AD until 300 AD.The area of modern-day Germany in the European Iron Age was divided into the (Celtic) La Tène horizon in Southern Germany and the (Germanic) Jastorf culture in Northern Germany. The predominant Y-chromosome haplogroup in Germans is R1b, followed by I and R1a; the predominant mitochondrial haplogroup is H, followed by U and T.
Written by: oupala07 , 23 Aug 2009 9:21 PM
From: Canada
Allumeusegeneroso,
You need a real psychiatric examination. Haitians are not in the Dominican republic because they love it, they're there because they have no other choice and that passers from both side of the border, are encouraging them to migrate illegally. They are lurred by jobs the same way the Mexicans are invading the United States.
The main accomplice is your own governmen which closes its eyes and turn its head, because, in a certain way, this traffic profit to the low cost development of your country. So, stop insulting my country and my people. Do your research, in 1986 after the fall of Baby Doc Duvalier, a pan North American survey showed that 86% percent of all Haitians living in Canada and the United States wanted to go back to their country.
Our peasants whouldn't invade your land if your own corrupted industrials and officials wouldn't entice them. For the sake of some real gentleman here, I am going to ignore you, but just imagine that I hang you by the
Written by: oupala07 , 23 Aug 2009 9:22 PM
From: Canada
hair if you have, and that I am roasting slowly your feet with my fork and knife ready.
Written by: oupala07 , 23 Aug 2009 9:30 PM
From: Canada
I am talking after the fall of the Roman Empire, and the beginning of the great invasions and the big push of the Germans Tribes toward the sea. In fact, it wasn't really a push but an escape under the overwhelming invasion of the Huns, the Magyars who were a branch of the Huns family, and most of all, the Mongols. In Clovis times there were Franks from both sides of the Rhine river, the Western were the Salians and the Eastern whom I forgot the names of the tribe, you see I don't need to wikipedia, was to become member of the German federation with several other tribes like the Alemans who gave their name the country. I don't remember the dates, because what I am telling you hasn't been Googled neither wikipedia. Check the period Eistein.
Written by: oupala07 , 23 Aug 2009 9:39 PM
From: Canada
Later on Charlemagne the Great will unite the Gernan Tribes and will reconquer most of the old Roman Empire which he will name the Holly Roman German Empire. Check the fact Eistein, I don't need Wikipedia.
From: Canada, Montreal
Brasil is a traitor, he should stop drinking barbancourt everyday his seem more like a monkey he's a big ASSHOLE. it's take someone from PÉTIONVILLE . Shame on him
From: Dominican Republic, Boca de Chavon
I have been driving around the east quite a bit lately and the one very obvious thing is that there are not many Haitians around at present so none need be too paranoid ..not much construction or sugar activity ,,the western union places and the shops and the streets have only Dominicans ..I notice that the trucks bringing the workers in and out of la Romana every day are next to zero.
Written by: oupala07 , 23 Aug 2009 10:59 PM
From: Canada
Ricardolito,
There are no paranoid Haitians here, there are only ones who are facing the living facts every single day of their life. I can understand why thing has slowed, even China has, in Beijing only, more than 400 hundred unfinished highrise. So, I think that everybody understands now that it is time to lighten our wine with water and to start working together instead of insulting the customer that brings you hundreds of milions of dollars every danm' year and year after year.
I swear to God if all my Haitians counterpart where fitted with my education and my character you would have been forced to respect us, because I would have retaliate harsly as soon as you would have stepped out of the line, and you know that I would have had a very powerful leverage we could call a heavy trade imbalance. Anybody with knowledge in economy can tell you that the US can't mess up too much with China, this country can crash its economy when it wants by massively selling its tresury bonds.
From: Dominican Republic, Boca de Chavon
Although the war in Iraq and Afghanistan is being financed by bonds taken up by China and the middle east ..the holders of these bonds have just as much to lose if the value of the bonds decreases ..and China would not want to crash the US economy any more than the USA wants to see the bonds flooding the market so is a two way street.
Written by: oupala07 , 24 Aug 2009 7:40 AM
From: Canada
It is a more than excellent point Ricardolito, however, whatever they want it or not, the US is very dependent on the Chinese now. Besides, lately I heard that they refused to buy any more treasury bond from the United States, and that's why Europe and Japan had to step in and pick up the tab.
But with a 9 trillions deficit projected for the next decade beginning next year, the United States is dangerously flirting with unsolvancy and bankrupcy, and you know that if they go down, the whole danm' world goes down the economic sink with them.
From: Dominican Republic, Boca de Chavon
Yes it has been a difficult time for the economists in the USA and actually throughout the world ..but the decision to bail out various parts of the banking sector , the insurance sector and the motor industry by passing all the debt onto future generations was preferable to seeing a long term depression throughout the world that would have led to huge human suffering .
There needs to be a strong country or group of countries acting as policemen against the evil extremists , the terrorists throughout the world but the price of vigilance is high.
Written by: ambioriv, 24 Aug 2009 11:31 AM
From: United States
minimum wage is a stupid idea. Its cheap labor. its a way out for haitan citizens. many will lose their jobs and opportunities.
From: Dominican Republic
Haiti's government needs to find a way to keep their citizens in their country and out of the Dominican Republic. This situation has become a tremendous problem in our country and needs to be adressed. I do not have anything against haitians as i have said many times before but do have a problem when it starts affecting my country, my community, my family.
From: Dominican Republic, Boca de Chavon
Cheap labour of foreigners in a country has been a fact of life for many years in many countries > The Italians use the north Africans in their car factories in Turin , the French also use north African labour, the Americans use cheap mexican labour and we use cheap labour from Haiti > I am sure the employers would prefer to use labour from the indiginous poulation but when they can make more profits or maybe change a loss into a profit , then they go for the cheapest labour .
The other alternative is to have all the factoriees in Haiti and keep the labour force there !!
From: Dominican Republic
To be honest Ricardolito,
I would prefer for any Zona Franca or company in general which hires predominantly Haitians to relocate in Haiti and take all the Haitains they hire with them than to keep them in DR and cause so many problems to society in DR.
Written by: oupala07 , 24 Aug 2009 7:01 PM
From: Canada
ojedamaggiolo80,
Go keep the same talk with your insdustrialists from the construction and agriculturarl departments, you can add the politicians on the list too. Tell your agricultors to stop encouraging the passers that fuels the illegal migrant trade and tell your government to impose fines and/or hefty prison terms to them instead of swelling your throat and pointing your racist fingers at my people. I don't you would have had any problem to see us invade your country if we were light skin or white.
As far as I am concerned it is primarily my government's fault for not having cared enough for those folks, but as I said before, tell your people to stop encouraging them to come to replace your laxy asses in hard labouring jobs before hypocritly spiting on them.
From: United States, THE SKE
oupala come on! you can't tell me that what you are putting is not fueled out of frustration. this laxy ass thing that you mentioned is getting a little played out. relax
Written by: oupala07 , 24 Aug 2009 7:29 PM
From: Canada
JARABACOENCE,
I can't relax when every time you need a scapegoat you decide to pick the Haitians living on your territory. I am not pleased either to see them invading your country like a population fleeing some kind of natural desaster. But you must acknowldege first that those passers, your agricultors, construction contractors and even your government have not ceased to make it easy for them to cross illegally into your country.
You must scream and yell after them first before taking on my people, because if the situation was reversed the Dominicans would have done the same to us like in the 1920 and 40s. So, if someone needs to relax my friend it is the one that are crying falsely foul play while knowing what is going on. If you need to stop the invasion, first stop the passers and impose heavy fine on anyone hiring an illegal immigrant, and not only haitian then, enforce the laws. As long as you don't do that you'll still be screaming after the Haitians.
Written by: ateo1992 , 24 Aug 2009 10:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic
lmao! this comments make me laugh all day long!
keep on the good work guys hahahahaha!!
From: Dominican Republic
oupala07
First off I am not a racist because I am Mulato with a white mother and a black grandmother on my fathers side! For your info I have said many times that these soldiers in the border need to get arrested if found allowing haitians into the country. It is not a color thing its a money thing. If you guys were rich I wouldnt care because you wouldnt be taking from my country you would be apporting to my country. Your people's government needs to do something to keep them in their country period. My government needs to enforce its borders and keep all illegal immigrants out of our country! Whomever doesnt like it, thats too dam bad! We are an independent nation noone can tell us what to do with the nation Juan Pablo Duarte, Sanchez Y Mella left for us!
Written by: oupala07 , 25 Aug 2009 2:10 PM
From: Canada
ojedamaggiolo80,
Your new comments show even more subtil racism than the previous ones. You just try to hide it under a nebulous sense of "duty to the motherland". When someone is a die hard nationalist, he must be like my friends and I, his nationalism should not be occasional, and be actively vectored toward a certain group or aimed at some kind of demagogic ideal.
I don't see your patriotism when the US is humiliating your country by publicly cancelling such a high profile figure of your country : an Admiral of your own armed forces. I don't see your patriotism when the world's press headlines your brethren being lost in the Mona passage in order to Porto Rico. I should have seen your nationalism shooting red canon balls at your government which has turn your country like mine into an IMF client state.
No, all I see is someone that is trying to take the racism coat off his body after finding out that it doesn't fit him that well.
Written by: oupala07 , 25 Aug 2009 2:15 PM
From: Canada
http://www.newsweek.com/id/209790I post send you this link. Take a good look at it, it shows poor Mexicans living in the San Juaquin Valley in California. There situation is almost the same as the one the Haitians are living in your country with the exception that the Americans don't treat them the same way you're treating us.
Just put in your mind that a lot of thing can change in ten years, and that the situation existing now between your country and mine could reverse.
That time, I'd pay dearly to see your hypocrit face seeking economic refuge way west of the island the same way we're looling east now.
From: Dominican Republic
Listen you don't know what you are talking about! The agreement is a positive thing being that the corruption in my country needs some kind of control and the IMF will help do this. I do not need to discuss this with you anyways it is our internal affairs and you shouldnt even be arguing in this DominicanToday you should be in a Haitian site trying to figure out how will you all resolve the mess in your country! Why do some Dominicans go to PR? It is part of USA and they think will find the american dream there which in most cases it never happens! with all the respect oupala it is none of your business why Dominicans go to PR. That is an issue for the Puerto Rican government to resolve or better said the USA government to resolve! As I said b4 haitians are going to the wrong country. We are a poor country which happens to start progressing within the past 10 years. You all need to take boats to Miami or PR and make your way to the USA! I am not racist,
From: Dominican Republic
I am not a haitian hater, I just want this issue to be resolved. It is not fair that what we have accomplished with our hard work (because Dominicans are very hard workers anywhere we go) to be stolen by some new comers who are not even Dominican! Go to your country and complain to them and have your government restructure your public entities. In DR we need to look out for Dominicans first. When every single Dominican in my country has all of their necesities covered I wont mind the whole world come and take advantage of our public entities! Until then you know my stand.
Written by: oupala07 , 25 Aug 2009 2:31 PM
From: Canada
I am off of the debating bus my friend. Go raise your level of understanding and we will have a debate.
Written by: kmnupe, 26 Aug 2009 1:49 AM
From: United States, NYC
Look, All of you guys are making good points. Why get easily offended when someone disagrees with you? Why constantly repeat something that the other side does not see nor accept?
From: Dominican Republic
"You can't comprehend subjects that require a ton of research" , What I can comprehend is that this is DominicanToday and here you are debating on something that has nothing to do with you! I am not trying to shut you or anyone else up, I am commenting in a Dominican Forum that the Haitian immigration towards our country is a threat to a continued development of our nation and that the haitian government needs to do something to take control of their country so that not so many of their citizens cross over ilegally. The Dominican government needs to take control and do massive deportations. If you did not like my comment does not mean I am not informed or educated on the situation. Therefore you need to find your way out of this Dominican forum and I said before go to a Haitian forum and try to figure out how to make the western part of the island of Hispaniola a more civil and based society.
From: Dominican Republic
Oupala you do not need to debate with me. You do not need to be in the site period!
Written by: oupala07 , 26 Aug 2009 3:03 PM
From: Canada
My friend why don't you preserve what remains you as a little bit of dignity? You are making a fool of yourself by trying once again the false nationalist card. I am not going to keep debating you, not because you are not educated, but because you are not informed enough, and it is a proven case that you can't comprehend subjects that require a ton of research.
Before you try to insult someone, go educate yourself, and maybe you'll succeed to shut him or her up.
Written by: oupala07 , 26 Aug 2009 5:04 PM
From: Canada
We've debating that for months, and everybody, except you, has finally understood where the problem comes from and how to stop it. Where were you when we were talking about it? Learning how to pick on Haitians and forget the Dominicans that are invading Porto Rico and Florida the same way we're invading your country?
You will hardly find a forum for hate here my friend, common sense and educated people have decided to ignore hatemongers, and you risk to find yourself alone if you have nothing to day than to promote hatred under a false nationalism. Go reprogram yourself my friend, you version of windows is way outdated.
From: Dominican Republic
Listen up u are talking to the wrong person about hate because I definately do not hate anyone! The Dominicans invading Puerto Rico Ive said many times is a situation that the USA government needs to address and has all the right to deport every single illegal Dominican from its territory. I doubt very strongly that anyone here in the Dominican Republic will advocate for what you are saying! I am not picking on Haitians I am addresing the problem the same way I am sure Americans address our problem upon their society in Puerto Rico or on the US mainland. Like I said many times before I do not have anything against haitians I only have something against illegal immigration especially when it is towards an underdeveloped nation which is my own!
Written by: oupala07 , 26 Aug 2009 6:53 PM
From: Canada
Well, if it was the truth, how come we never heard the Porto Ricans and the Americans using the language you show to depict your sentiments toward Haitians. As a matter of fact, I've never heard them talking the way you talk about haitians. That's what I always thought then, you are someone prone to over reaction. I advise you to cool down and to face the problem in order to solve it. We are in the 21st century the time of Attila the Hun is over.
From: Dominican Republic
Listen buddy you have totally lost it! I am not using any derrogatory terms towards haitians at all and the exact same issues I am bringing up about haitians in DR I have heard throughout my entire life while I lived in the USA! I just moved back to the Dominican Republic a year ago. I lived in the USA since the age of 4 up until the age of 27 therefore I know the issues that affect the USA and Puerto Rico and I know for sure they arent happy with illegal immigration in their countries either and have put preassure on the Dominican Government help stop illegal immigration to Puerto Rico or anywhere else in the mainland! We cannot get offended because a free independant nation like the USA asks the Dominican government to control illegal dominican immigration. To show you that I am clearly in favor of haitian prosperity but in their own country I just read an article where it said that due to a new program that was established last year called FAO and FIDA Haitis agricultural
From: Dominican Republic
Production has increased by 25% in one year. You do not know how happy this made me. I am not one to hate anyone and especially not Haitians that we share an island with. I am just for fixing the situation in Haiti so that illegal immigration can be lowered to its lowest capacity. I do not mind legal Haitians or chinese or africans or afgans coming here, as long as legal, orderly and does not become a burden on my country. I hope you understand my point of view.
Written by: kmnupe, 29 Aug 2009 3:49 AM
From: United States, NYC
OUPALA
You can't paint everyone with the same brush my man.
Written by: oupala07 , 29 Aug 2009 9:28 AM
From: Canada
That's your point of view ojeda, but not your government and your industrialists one. Go tell them to keep the Haitians at bay by shutting down the illegal and immoral networks of passers, and the enterprises that are hiring them for peanut salary.
You do that and I will be more than ready to keep an attentionate and condescending ear at your complaints, otherwise just shut it up because you have no ground to accuse those folks of invading willfully your country.
From: Dominican Republic
First off not only I but millions of Dominicans here have and will continue to express their unease with the allowed illegal immigration through the border! That is why in many towns ( and I mean many) in DR there has been uprisings of locals marching down to the authorities and telling them that if they do not take control of the situation they will take it into their own hands to make sure haitians arent allowed in their towns. I do not agree with this but they are acting out of desperateness and I know Haitians are also acting out of desperateness because of the horrible conditions in their country but that is why I continue to put pressure on the Haitian Government and the world to help the Republic of Haiti get on its feet so that as many Haitians need to migrate. As far as Haitians invading my thing is that instead of coming to DR which is Poor and will cause more chaos they should go to the USA which can deal with this situation better due to the available funds!
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Haiti is ON PURPOSE keeping their minimum salaries low TO FORCE THE HAITIAN TO MIGRATE. This is how the displacement of the Dominican by the Haitian is being fueled! At the same time, the corrupt in Haiti continue to maintain their profits!
The combination of 310,000 newly born Haitian every year, low salaries, and low opportunities greatly push that humanity towards DR where there are no physical barriers to the jumping Antelopes and in DR, there are the proHaitian who are orchestrating their actions to give a warm welcome to the illegal!
Do not let anybody disrupt your thinking .
Follow Roso's example
But if the minimum wage was raised in Haiti I am sure many less would come here looking for work and the Dominicans could do the work , but with less diligence and energy. There is huge wealth in the hands of a few in Haiti and their government needs to take a stronger stand so the workers can earn more, There are a very large number of students paying good money to attend universities in the DR and of course many rich Haitians living in the DR.
Remesas haitianas
http://www.rumbodigital.com/editorialedit42.htm
Estoy seguro que todos estos hermanos haitianos que hacen vida, se sostienen y mantienen sus familias que viven en Haití a través de las remesas que se calculan en unos RD$800. millones mensuales tienen una opinión diferente de República Dominicana como país receptor de los haitianos.
Haitianos envían remesas por US$350 MM anual desde RD January 28, 2008
http://www.bancentral.gov.do/otra....as.asp?a=listindiario2008-01-28-1
Los haitianos residentes en República Dominicana envían alrededor de US$350 millones anualmente a sus familiares en Haití, a lo que se suma la incuantificable cantidad de alimentos y medicinas que transportan desde este país para beneficio de los suyos en la vecina nación.
Así lo establece un documento suministrado por el Instituto Azucarero Dominicano (Inazúcar), el cual sirvió de base para una presentación que hizo el director de la entidad, Faustino Jiménez, en el marco de su reciente participación en un cónclave internacional sobre la producción de azúcar, efectuada en Londres, Inglaterra.
Según los datos, alrededor del 76% de los haitianos residentes en República Dominicana viaja con cierta regularidad a su país para visitar sus familiares. Destaca como un elemento importante el
The average pay for a Haitian construction worker in Bavaro, Samana or the capital is $15 a day in large construction projects, where they usually sleep inside the building being built. They have access to public hospitals and the same facilities as Dominicans as far as water, security and transportation services.
The $6 a day figure you mentioned, if true it may be in a local, microcosmic scale and not the norm, but even if true it is still twice as much as they could get in Haiti if the bill is signed, and 4 times more than they are actually getting now.
The treatment of Haitians and Dominicans in La Romana, and Casa de campo is one of the worst in the country considering that the homes there are the most expensive in the island. The Cuban Fanjul family, multi multimillionaire sugar barons, are known for the exploitation of both Haitian and Dominican workers, and have a sad history of poor worker policies.
I am sorry that my comments may have offended you guys, and I apologize. However, you must admit that there is indeed a subtil color problem in your society. What you don't understand, and I don't think I'have enough allowed caractères in order to explain it to you, however, I am going to try to resume it at best.
I am Haitian and I consider myself one of African origin by my features even though I come from a very mixed family from my father's side. I am not going to waste my time about racism inside the mixed Haitian family, let's say that I grew up, thanks to the education I was fortunate enough to receive, and a good knowledge of our history, I grew up with the love of my country and my people.
I love the Dominicans even though the first one I knew was the most beautiful mulatto woman restaurant owner I've ever seen in my life and I was just 5 years old.
Now, we have all this socio political mess which has devided us so much that I don't think we will ever found back that mutual respect.
Do not put in your mind that my concern is uniquely vectored toward Haitians, no my friend every Black Dominican Haitian or not is my concern on your land, this is what I call the bond of kinship.
And this bond of kinship extends even to the whole Dominican nation, because if the blacks are my brothers, the remaining dominican population of a different skin pigmentation will always have my regional support :
As piece dividend, they now own the biggest chunk of Europe, and they're not finished. Even the American cannot challenge them now.
I sincerily do not think that you deserve such support and loyalty, but if you go down the whole island will go down, if you are at war, we must feel threaten too and entervene by your side, but you have preferred to think small and sell the real nationalist Dominican pride to a Super Power that considers you more as puppet than a partner. I am deeply ashamed of what those two countries have become. Sorry, I'll die abroad.
8/11/2007
El entierro del pobre
7:11 PM - Analizando el valor de un enterramiento con un mínimo de decencia para la familia de una persona fallecida de escasos recursos económicos, el cual pueda expresar respeto por la perdida de un ser querido.
Tomando en consideración que el sueldo mínimo promedio es de cuatro mil setecientos($4,700.00), para un pobre poder enterrar a un familiar con un mínimo de decencia debe de invertir más de tres sueldos y medio, colocándola en una situación mas difícil.
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You need a real psychiatric examination. Haitians are not in the Dominican republic because they love it, they're there because they have no other choice and that passers from both side of the border, are encouraging them to migrate illegally. They are lurred by jobs the same way the Mexicans are invading the United States.
The main accomplice is your own governmen which closes its eyes and turn its head, because, in a certain way, this traffic profit to the low cost development of your country. So, stop insulting my country and my people. Do your research, in 1986 after the fall of Baby Doc Duvalier, a pan North American survey showed that 86% percent of all Haitians living in Canada and the United States wanted to go back to their country.
Our peasants whouldn't invade your land if your own corrupted industrials and officials wouldn't entice them. For the sake of some real gentleman here, I am going to ignore you, but just imagine that I hang you by the
There are no paranoid Haitians here, there are only ones who are facing the living facts every single day of their life. I can understand why thing has slowed, even China has, in Beijing only, more than 400 hundred unfinished highrise. So, I think that everybody understands now that it is time to lighten our wine with water and to start working together instead of insulting the customer that brings you hundreds of milions of dollars every danm' year and year after year.
I swear to God if all my Haitians counterpart where fitted with my education and my character you would have been forced to respect us, because I would have retaliate harsly as soon as you would have stepped out of the line, and you know that I would have had a very powerful leverage we could call a heavy trade imbalance. Anybody with knowledge in economy can tell you that the US can't mess up too much with China, this country can crash its economy when it wants by massively selling its tresury bonds.
But with a 9 trillions deficit projected for the next decade beginning next year, the United States is dangerously flirting with unsolvancy and bankrupcy, and you know that if they go down, the whole danm' world goes down the economic sink with them.
There needs to be a strong country or group of countries acting as policemen against the evil extremists , the terrorists throughout the world but the price of vigilance is high.
The other alternative is to have all the factoriees in Haiti and keep the labour force there !!
I would prefer for any Zona Franca or company in general which hires predominantly Haitians to relocate in Haiti and take all the Haitains they hire with them than to keep them in DR and cause so many problems to society in DR.
Go keep the same talk with your insdustrialists from the construction and agriculturarl departments, you can add the politicians on the list too. Tell your agricultors to stop encouraging the passers that fuels the illegal migrant trade and tell your government to impose fines and/or hefty prison terms to them instead of swelling your throat and pointing your racist fingers at my people. I don't you would have had any problem to see us invade your country if we were light skin or white.
As far as I am concerned it is primarily my government's fault for not having cared enough for those folks, but as I said before, tell your people to stop encouraging them to come to replace your laxy asses in hard labouring jobs before hypocritly spiting on them.
I can't relax when every time you need a scapegoat you decide to pick the Haitians living on your territory. I am not pleased either to see them invading your country like a population fleeing some kind of natural desaster. But you must acknowldege first that those passers, your agricultors, construction contractors and even your government have not ceased to make it easy for them to cross illegally into your country.
You must scream and yell after them first before taking on my people, because if the situation was reversed the Dominicans would have done the same to us like in the 1920 and 40s. So, if someone needs to relax my friend it is the one that are crying falsely foul play while knowing what is going on. If you need to stop the invasion, first stop the passers and impose heavy fine on anyone hiring an illegal immigrant, and not only haitian then, enforce the laws. As long as you don't do that you'll still be screaming after the Haitians.
keep on the good work guys hahahahaha!!
First off I am not a racist because I am Mulato with a white mother and a black grandmother on my fathers side! For your info I have said many times that these soldiers in the border need to get arrested if found allowing haitians into the country. It is not a color thing its a money thing. If you guys were rich I wouldnt care because you wouldnt be taking from my country you would be apporting to my country. Your people's government needs to do something to keep them in their country period. My government needs to enforce its borders and keep all illegal immigrants out of our country! Whomever doesnt like it, thats too dam bad! We are an independent nation noone can tell us what to do with the nation Juan Pablo Duarte, Sanchez Y Mella left for us!
Your new comments show even more subtil racism than the previous ones. You just try to hide it under a nebulous sense of "duty to the motherland". When someone is a die hard nationalist, he must be like my friends and I, his nationalism should not be occasional, and be actively vectored toward a certain group or aimed at some kind of demagogic ideal.
I don't see your patriotism when the US is humiliating your country by publicly cancelling such a high profile figure of your country : an Admiral of your own armed forces. I don't see your patriotism when the world's press headlines your brethren being lost in the Mona passage in order to Porto Rico. I should have seen your nationalism shooting red canon balls at your government which has turn your country like mine into an IMF client state.
No, all I see is someone that is trying to take the racism coat off his body after finding out that it doesn't fit him that well.
I post send you this link. Take a good look at it, it shows poor Mexicans living in the San Juaquin Valley in California. There situation is almost the same as the one the Haitians are living in your country with the exception that the Americans don't treat them the same way you're treating us.
Just put in your mind that a lot of thing can change in ten years, and that the situation existing now between your country and mine could reverse.
That time, I'd pay dearly to see your hypocrit face seeking economic refuge way west of the island the same way we're looling east now.
Before you try to insult someone, go educate yourself, and maybe you'll succeed to shut him or her up.
You will hardly find a forum for hate here my friend, common sense and educated people have decided to ignore hatemongers, and you risk to find yourself alone if you have nothing to day than to promote hatred under a false nationalism. Go reprogram yourself my friend, you version of windows is way outdated.
You can't paint everyone with the same brush my man.
You do that and I will be more than ready to keep an attentionate and condescending ear at your complaints, otherwise just shut it up because you have no ground to accuse those folks of invading willfully your country.