Santo Domingo.- The tourism sector is concerned with the outbreak of cholera in Haiti, because if not managed adequately, could “take it with” Dominican Republic’s high tourism season, which begins in November.
Hotels and Tourism Association (Asonahores) vice-president Arturo Villanueva said the sector yesterday requested an urgent meeting with president Leonel Fernandez to discuss the situation. “We understand that it is a very delicate subject that it must be handled by the President”
He said the chief executive must call a meeting with the Tourism and Public Health ministers, and Asonahores. “If it isn’t handled consciously, the situation can take the high season with it,” Villanueva told newspaper Caribe by telephone.
To keep the disease from arriving in Dominican territory, “there must have an absolute control of the Dominican-Haiti border,” the Asonahores executive said, and urged Fernandez to “dictate the line” for the corresponding officials to proceed.
Villanueva said beyond the Tourism and Public Health commission, created to deal with health issues which may affect the tourism industry, Fernandez must intervene to protect this side of the island from the disease.
“The situation is going beyond that and requires that the President immediately convene a meeting to determine what actions will follow” he said, adding that it’s a matter of State for the presidential must intervene.
Written by: Atabey, 26 Oct 2010 7:54 AM
From: United States, NYC
"EU teams to patrol Greek border amid migrant surge
Illegal migrants at Nea Vissa station, northeastern Greece, 4 Oct 10 Hundreds of migrants are entering Greece daily from Turkey, the UN says
The EU is for the first time sending border guards to help Greece stem an influx of migrants entering across the land border with Turkey."
Protecting the borders and sealing it if necessary are not crimes nor an act of racism LF. All your dreams could go up in smoke if this cholera plight extends into DR. Tourism would take a significant downward trend, and investments too might suffer. So be wise and get ahead of this one before it's too late.
Written by: zooma, 26 Oct 2010 8:08 AM
From: United States
Seal the border !!!! .....before it is too late.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
Seal it with Margarita!
Written by: generoso, 26 Oct 2010 8:18 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
WARNING: CURFEW AND STATE OF SIEGE MUST BE IMPLEMENTED ASAP AT BORDERS
All of our other tourism competitors in the area, including Mexico are salivating from this news, that maybe they could redirect the flow of DR tourists to their destinations, because of the cholera scare and epidemic in Haiti.
This adverse propaganda, encouraged by our competitors is propagating worse than the disease itself, in Europe and the USA.
Our "most democratic and compassionate" government has been asleep at the wheel, as usual, all these weeks that the news about cholera have been known to them, and now they are finally trying to "band aid" the damage.
BORDERS MUST BE CLOSED NOW- AT ALL POINTS- SEALED SHUT AND MILITARIZED- ORDERS MUST BE GIVEN TO SHOOT ANY TRESPASSERS ON SIGHT, NO QUESTIONS ASKED- THIS IS A NATIONAL EMERGENCY-
If tourism stops coming because of this, it will be worse financial disaster than the burst of the real estate bubble in the USA, and our own RE bubble will also burst.
Written by: juanb, 26 Oct 2010 8:23 AM
From: Dominican Republic
I cringe that LF is still our President.
Written by: Gringo_1, 26 Oct 2010 8:25 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
Perhaps Sr Empty Suit can use the cholera as an excuse for what everyone knows. Seal the frickin border and keep the illegal Haitians out of the DR. If cholera spreads to the DR, we can expect tourism to fall be 50%. Let's hope Mr. ES listens to his advisers and makes a decision that is good for his country and his people rather than his international reputation. It is not too late!!
From: United States
Its too late. The world media is warning of cholera in Hispanola.
Actually this may drive some sense in Leonel since he feels the DR is immune to external forces.
What a laughable idiot you have for a president.
From: United States
Yes, a New York Times article says that it will definitely make it to the DR and it will be (not could be) several years before they can eradicate it.
Well, it is time for empty suited LF to go around telling everyone the it not "structured" cholera, so it does not exist.
Presidente Nada.........
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Look to the bright side: we'll be getting a lot more Haitian tourists.
And they come with turista!
Written by: vacanos, 26 Oct 2010 9:38 AM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Not even this will get Leonel to seal the border.
I hope at the very least that Balaguer hater feel happy in their skins.
Written by: ElFactor, 26 Oct 2010 10:09 AM
From: United States
Jerge are you nuts! It's Haiti's loss, you're countrymen benefit more than Dominicans. Remember your country would be extinct if it was not for D.R. Build a physical border Leonel and forget about Haiti, these bastards will send us to hell in a mud basket with them.
Written by: matador, 26 Oct 2010 10:18 AM
From: United States, www.brugal-ron.com/home.php
Just closed the border completely and you won't have to worry about it. But I bet they will wait till is to late to do something about it.
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
We Dominicans are notorious for locking up AFTER we get rob.
sadly , I think the DR-Haiti border is as open as always and that's the way is going to stay, our country has already been given away. We no longer have a choice, El mago de la Maria Montez y sus 400 ladrones entregaron el pais , asi que esta seria una buena opurtunidad para lanzar una fabrica de basinillas, pampers o papel sanitario porque ese colera ya esta cruzando el rio masacre a pie.
pobrecito mi pais
Written by: BASTA, 26 Oct 2010 11:04 AM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
Not a problem; President idiot will increase tax on tourist card to make up for the short fall.
From: Haiti, Delmas
ElFactor, it seems that you don't understand my point.
1- When I say DR will win if the border is closed, I mean that it could be benefic to DR to avoid contamination of its folks. Good!!!!!!!
2- But, since 1960's my country and its government through these years have done nothing to put our boost economy and compel all the country intellectuals to a no return exile to CANADA, USA and AFRICA.
Now, it’s a shame for me, HAITI becomes a DR economy province. Every little thing that produces DR,Is being sold to HAITI and help the DR economy to boost. Today before coming to work I take some slices of SALAMI from INDUVECA. This is a market of 9 millions of soul
This is where that could cost a big crash to DR economy.
When Haiti coughs DR is cold.
Written by: danny00, 26 Oct 2010 11:40 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
seal the border? man its to late.....
better u go to puerto rico or some where else..
its all over for the dr...
Written by: jcl_67, 26 Oct 2010 12:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
guys lets not forget who your asking for help here. its the no action, always on a business trip resolving other countries problems, turn the other way, ignorant empty suit president, mr. leonel fernandez
Written by: wents22, 26 Oct 2010 12:53 PM
From: United States, New York City
I still have hope for the Dominican Republic. So far, there are no cases reported, and hopefully it will stay that way.
Written by: ElFactor, 26 Oct 2010 1:44 PM
From: United States
Again Jerge you're nuts. You mean if Haiti sneezes, Haiti will catch a cold, Haiti don't produce anything, so how can D.R. catch a cold. You mean some of the border towns, which house the poorest provinces of the Dominican Republic will catch a cold nominally. The rest of the country will be doing just fine smartypants. Haiti is no longer the Jewel of the Nile anymore, when the French back in the days enslaved you're people.
From: Zambia, I LIKE MY HAITIAN SHAKEN NOT STIRRED!
Teach Factor teach.
Written by: Belly, 26 Oct 2010 2:02 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
JergeGABRIEL,
This is where that could cost a big crash to DR economy.
When they say the the border is sealed they mean it has been turned into a oneway street as far as business goes. So only Dominican products go into Haiti and none can come back. Maybe Leonel could grow some guts and do whats right here to make Haiti certify that every product coming back is free of anything cholera related. Anyways Haiti did make DR certify that every egg coming into Haiti was clean by certifying every producer in DR.
From: Zambia, I LIKE MY HAITIAN SHAKEN NOT STIRRED!
Wrong Jarobacoa.
Written by: ElFactor, 26 Oct 2010 3:37 PM
From: United States
Sure Haiti should unite to creole speaking Africa or creole speaking Caribbean, that would be nice.
Written by: ElFactor, 26 Oct 2010 3:52 PM
From: United States
I don't want anything to do with Haiti or Haitians. So please keep you're wishes to yourself, i could careless if you're an albino Haitian pretending to be French, it dont matter. Haiti for Haitians, D.R. for DOMINICANS. SIGNING OUT...
From: Zambia, I LIKE MY HAITIAN SHAKEN NOT STIRRED!
Ha ha that's funny Factor. Most Haitians are dark Kongo black they want some milk in them, but too bad for Haitians, white Dominicans don't want that dark chocolate in them, ha ha... Oooh Oooh, Aaah Aaah...
Written by: ElFactor, 26 Oct 2010 3:57 PM
From: United States
You're too funny We.
From: United States, Omnipresence
Wow, looks like it's all going to SHIT!
Written by: Perez, 26 Oct 2010 5:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic
It sucks to be in DR's shoes right now!
From: Haiti, Delmas
aitianDominicanPuertorican, i like your point of view.
But only problem what are doing in Pueto Rico?
Written by: BASTA, 26 Oct 2010 5:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
Wehaitiano= there are no white dominicans!!!
From: Haiti
Effective Wednesday, Octorber 27th, 2010, midnight local time, all flights between Haiti and the DR are suspended. All imports of perishable goods from Haiti are banned. How far is Leonel going with this?
From: Puerto Rico, United States, HAITI, Puerto Rico
Like I saying before, I think the Haitian paramilitary police and the Dominicans should keep the borders closed. The United Nations troops dumping polluted and contaminated sewage into rivers, they are responsible for the cholera outbreak in Haiti. The borders should stay closed until they fix this mess.
From: Puerto Rico, United States, HAITI, Puerto Rico
@ JergeGABRIEL: I am here for a couple months with family. I have family in PR, DR, Haiti, and the U.S.
From: United States, words of wisdom from the nutcracker
they need to prepared themselves for this possible outbreak , one idea seal the border or have round the clock mobile vaccination vans or buses for the public . another idea don't shake anybody hand .
Written by: Vysotsky, 28 Oct 2010 6:34 AM
From: Russia
To the Dominican extremists, your hateful speeches toward all Haitians are doing nothing but causing indignation and fueling their anger. I can understand your concerns about those who are allowed to cross the border illegally, but does that make it fair to take your anger on all Haitians? It seems to me that most of the extremists who post their frustration on the DT are at the same level as the Haitians working in the sugar cane fields and the ones who are begging on the streets. You seem to be competing with them because you cannot compete with Haitians who have the same level of education, the same economic status as you.
From: Zambia, I LIKE MY HAITIAN SHAKEN NOT STIRRED!
Stop lying Nehesy most blacks in D.R. are descended from Haitians. Another thing very few African slaves were brought by the Spaniards. Since the island had a large population of indigenous (Indian) people, that unfortunately became slaves. And after the natives began to die or escape into the Cibao mountain region, (that's why today still in the Cibao theirs whites that look mestizo, including people of darker hues, also look like they have indigenous blood in them). The Crown authorized the importation of natives from all over the Caribbean and even as far as South America, to be brought as slaves or to serve as domestic servants for the Spaniards. Many indigenous woman intermarried with the Spaniards which the Crown encouraged. As for African slaves they were introduced in 1519, in any significant amount. All this information is recorded, only 4,000 African slaves were brought, and before that about 20 African slaves were introduced in Hispaniola. CONTINUED...
From: Zambia, I LIKE MY HAITIAN SHAKEN NOT STIRRED!
CONT., By 1530 only several hundred African slaves, were brought to Hispaniola. Most of these Africans were escapees (cimarrones) that died because of diseases, and the harsh living conditions in the jungles of Hispaniola. Read the "Devastaciones de Osorio" and what happened after 1606, slave ownership ceased to exist for those Spanish colonist that remained in the city of Santo Domingo. Stop lying Nehesy, you're too easy to debunk.
http://www.sg.inter.edu/revista-ciscla/volume29/guitar.pdfWritten by: ElFactor, 28 Oct 2010 3:27 PM
From: United States
We you're 100% correct.
Written by: ElFactor, 28 Oct 2010 8:17 PM
From: United States
Heres an example of a Cibaeño of medium skin tone or trigueño, with obvious native roots. Very strong native roots, just look at his phenotype.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0273592/ From: Zambia, I LIKE MY HAITIAN SHAKEN NOT STIRRED!
Damn Factor he looks very indigenous indeed!
Written by: ElFactor, 29 Oct 2010 11:51 AM
From: United States
Nehesy nobody is claiming Aryan-hood, we are just stating the fact, that most Congo blacks in Dominican Republic are of Haitian descent and that's a fact. African slavery in old Hispaniola or Spanish Santo Domingo never became big. The importation of African slaves by the Spanish was insignificant, so negligible that all records point that out. So you could spend you're whole life repeating the same thing, the records speak for themselves. The population in Spanish Santo Domingo peaked around half of the end of the 18th century. Most of the people that migrated to Spanish Santo Domingo were white families from Spain and the Canary Islands. (Frank Moya Pons)... Blacks were never the majority, they were then a small minority. That's why Haitians always found opposition from Dominicans, when ever invaded. Just look at the founder of the Dominican Republic a white Spanish Creole man, not a black guy. It was whites that were affected the most by the Haitian Occupation. CONTINUED...
Written by: ElFactor, 29 Oct 2010 12:32 PM
From: United States
CONT... Back then the mixed race people were not the majority either for their were not enough people to mix with, although they were much more than blacks. The mixed Dominican people today are a remnant of the depopulation that occurred because of the negative effects, Haitian invasions had on the country. As for you're last statement who cares what you think, you are not in the shoes of those who fell victim to the barbarous, murdering hate filled invasions perpetrated by black supremacists like Dessalines, Toussaint L'Ouverture who hated the Spanish, likewise Boyer, and all the swarms of black troops that killed many innocent people. In short Nehesy nobody is claiming Europe, that's you're mantra that you and others like yourself love to repeat. Dominicans are not Europeans, Indians or Africans we are Dominicans, and we come in different hues or colors... And as i always say and will forever say, as long as i'm alive Dominican Republic for Dominicans, Haiti for Haitians.
Written by: ElFactor, 29 Oct 2010 1:52 PM
From: United States
The book Trans-atlantic slavetrade look for the chapter named: Spain and the slave trade, see page 48. Look at the table of estimates for African slaves imported to the Spanish Empire. Look at the number for Santo Domingo and compare them to Cuba or even Puerto Rico. They were even less African slaves brought to Santo Domingo than Puerto Rico...
http://books.google.com/books?id=....0in%20the%20caribbean&f=falseFrom: Zambia, I LIKE MY HAITIAN SHAKEN NOT STIRRED!
Teach Factor teach!
Written by: mrchivo, 2 Nov 2010 7:14 AM
From: United States
Nehesy you've been had, what Factor and Wehaitiano say makes much sense! Plus the links are pretty much in there side.
Written by: mrchivo, 2 Nov 2010 1:53 PM
From: United States
Nehesy you're an idiot trying to Africanize Dominican history, with all the distorted misinformation you're giving. First as clearly stated by We and Factor, the Dominican side of the island already had plenty of indigenous people inhabiting the land. Those same Indians were enslaved, and the need for African labor was negligible, that's why so few African slaves were brought to Hispaniola, by the Spaniards. It was in Haiti that the French when ceded the western part of the island by the Spanish, because of losing land from the French, through war. The Spanish had to surrender less than one quarter of western Hispaniola. It was there that the French brought large numbers of African slaves, i think you should focus there, in Haiti, instead of attempting to totally Africanize Dominican history. You're attempt has been proven to be false, so you can continue to think that you are right, when you are obviously wrong.
Written by: ElFactor, 2 Nov 2010 7:46 PM
From: United States
Boy mrchivo talking about distorting information indeed. Nehesy let me correct you on something Dominicans are not only mulattoes, a mulatto is a person of white and black parentage. In colonial Santo Domingo you had different groups; they were: Spaniards, or Peninsulares, Spanish creoles (criollos), mestizos, mulattoes, zambos, blacks. When you speak of the War of the Restoration as some clash between Spaniards and mulattoes, you are distorting the facts.The Spaniards considered themselves better than even the Spanish Creole inhabitants lumping them even with the mulattoes etc. Many of the heroes of the War of Restoration were Spanish Creole men also. How do you explain that, Juan Pablo Duarte a Spanish creole man, was 100% for the War of Restoration. Most authors use the word mulatto loosely to define mixed race, it does not mean, that only people of white and black parentage mulatto or bi-racial were fighting against the Spanish soldiers. CONTINUED...
Written by: ElFactor, 2 Nov 2010 7:53 PM
From: United States
CONT... The soldiers from Cuba were as mixed as the Dominican people, the only difference was that they had a contingency of soldiers that were Spaniards and Spanish creoles in there ranks. Plus the administrators and soldiers that came directly from Spain that were the majority in Dominican soil, sent by the Queen where Peninsulares. Look at a picture of the main heroes of the War of Restoration, they came from different backgrounds, but most were Spanish creoles. And likewise in the Dominican ranks you had people of different colors or hues in an effort to defeat the Spaniards.
http://www.suncaribbean.net/rd_la....il_historiaNY_archivos/heroes.jpg Written by: ElFactor, 2 Nov 2010 8:10 PM
From: United States
On another note, we are not Haiti, where Dessalines and his black troops committed genocide against all whites in Haiti, after independence. Where mulattoes gradually became a smaller group, because of racial lead civil wars between the black majority and mulattoes. Like the War of Knives, or the partition of Haiti, split in two between Henri Christophe which led the blacks in his "Kingdom" in the north. And Alexander Petion which led the mulattoes and lighter skinned blacks in his "Republic" in the southern peninsula of Haiti. So you can try to racialize us all you want, we never had the problems Haiti faced.
http://fbc.binghamton.edu/dupuy.pdfFrom: Zambia, I LIKE MY HAITIAN SHAKEN NOT STIRRED!
Teach Factor teach!!!!!
Written by: mrchivo, 3 Nov 2010 12:46 PM
From: United States
Nehesy most blacks in Dominican Republic are of Haitian origin, and that's a historical fact. The number of African slaves brought to Santo Domingo was insignificant. Country's like Cuba and Puerto Rico received way much more African slaves than Santo Domingo, that's why in Cuba their are more blacks than Dominican Republic. The blacks in Dominican Republic are mostly of Haitian descent, that were colonized during the Haitian Occupation 1822-1844, to darken the country or Africanize it, even bringing American blacks to places like Samana (Otto Schoenrich). All along the 20th century and presently, as we speak thousands of Haitians have been arriving in the country illegaly. Then second in far less numbers are Cocolos that are descendants of people who hail from the Lesser Antilles, British West Indies, that came to work in the sugar cane fields, under the auspice of the U.S., during the occupation between 1916-1924. So SHUT YOU'RE TRAP, and stop making up crap!
From: Zambia, I LIKE MY HAITIAN SHAKEN NOT STIRRED!
Damn mrchivo you killed somebody, and they don't know? they are dead!
Written by: ElFactor, 3 Nov 2010 8:09 PM
From: United States
Written by: ElFactor, 3 Nov 2010 8:35 PM
From: United States
For people that want the truth i recommend you read THE TRANSATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE, and if you want the estimates on the number of African slaves that were brought to Santo Domingo. Go to the chapter called Spain in the Slave Trade, Page, 48. Look at the table of estimates for all the Spanish speaking country's, or former colonies. Notice that Cuba has the largest amount of African slaves 837,000. Puerto Rico, African slaves 77,000. Santo Domingo, referring to the future Dominican Republic only 30,000. You can check the other estimates, for the other countrys. You could check other sources and the estimate you get will be the same.
http://books.google.com/books?id=....0in%20the%20caribbean&f=false
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The EU is for the first time sending border guards to help Greece stem an influx of migrants entering across the land border with Turkey."
Protecting the borders and sealing it if necessary are not crimes nor an act of racism LF. All your dreams could go up in smoke if this cholera plight extends into DR. Tourism would take a significant downward trend, and investments too might suffer. So be wise and get ahead of this one before it's too late.
Seal the border !!!! .....before it is too late.
WARNING: CURFEW AND STATE OF SIEGE MUST BE IMPLEMENTED ASAP AT BORDERS
All of our other tourism competitors in the area, including Mexico are salivating from this news, that maybe they could redirect the flow of DR tourists to their destinations, because of the cholera scare and epidemic in Haiti.
This adverse propaganda, encouraged by our competitors is propagating worse than the disease itself, in Europe and the USA.
Our "most democratic and compassionate" government has been asleep at the wheel, as usual, all these weeks that the news about cholera have been known to them, and now they are finally trying to "band aid" the damage.
BORDERS MUST BE CLOSED NOW- AT ALL POINTS- SEALED SHUT AND MILITARIZED- ORDERS MUST BE GIVEN TO SHOOT ANY TRESPASSERS ON SIGHT, NO QUESTIONS ASKED- THIS IS A NATIONAL EMERGENCY-
If tourism stops coming because of this, it will be worse financial disaster than the burst of the real estate bubble in the USA, and our own RE bubble will also burst.
I cringe that LF is still our President.
Actually this may drive some sense in Leonel since he feels the DR is immune to external forces.
What a laughable idiot you have for a president.
Yes, a New York Times article says that it will definitely make it to the DR and it will be (not could be) several years before they can eradicate it.
Well, it is time for empty suited LF to go around telling everyone the it not "structured" cholera, so it does not exist.
Presidente Nada.........
And they come with turista!
I hope at the very least that Balaguer hater feel happy in their skins.
We Dominicans are notorious for locking up AFTER we get rob.
sadly , I think the DR-Haiti border is as open as always and that's the way is going to stay, our country has already been given away. We no longer have a choice, El mago de la Maria Montez y sus 400 ladrones entregaron el pais , asi que esta seria una buena opurtunidad para lanzar una fabrica de basinillas, pampers o papel sanitario porque ese colera ya esta cruzando el rio masacre a pie.
pobrecito mi pais
1- When I say DR will win if the border is closed, I mean that it could be benefic to DR to avoid contamination of its folks. Good!!!!!!!
2- But, since 1960's my country and its government through these years have done nothing to put our boost economy and compel all the country intellectuals to a no return exile to CANADA, USA and AFRICA.
Now, it’s a shame for me, HAITI becomes a DR economy province. Every little thing that produces DR,Is being sold to HAITI and help the DR economy to boost. Today before coming to work I take some slices of SALAMI from INDUVECA. This is a market of 9 millions of soul
This is where that could cost a big crash to DR economy.
When Haiti coughs DR is cold.
better u go to puerto rico or some where else..
its all over for the dr...
This is where that could cost a big crash to DR economy.
When they say the the border is sealed they mean it has been turned into a oneway street as far as business goes. So only Dominican products go into Haiti and none can come back. Maybe Leonel could grow some guts and do whats right here to make Haiti certify that every product coming back is free of anything cholera related. Anyways Haiti did make DR certify that every egg coming into Haiti was clean by certifying every producer in DR.
But only problem what are doing in Pueto Rico?