Who is going to throw the first mojon in the fan ???
http://www.libertarianpunk.com/wp....the_shit_hits_the_fan_3215952.jpg

My sister pays one of them even less than that, but the woman has a job, on the contrary, back in Haiti she would've been eating mud cookies. Thank GOD for D.R. the regular Haitians are surviving.

The cheap Dominicans and the gov looking the other way are to blame for this mess...

@ Don't be silent

My sister pays one less than that,but the woman has a job.
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The trickle down effect of readily available cheap labor, everybody can have a helper. Are you not one of those who always railing against illegal Haitians migration in DR?

IN a few generations, we'll see Haitian deputies, senators, public officials..

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I have been saying this for years...

The DR has enough jobs to employ it citizen but because of the displacement by haitians that maid, garner and others have to risk their lives at sea to earn a decent wage. Send back all the haitians and we'll stop our own flights out of the country.

@patdiamond you are always on Dominican Today defending Haitians.... since Wyclef Jean can't run for Haiti presidency why dont you run for president and solve all of Haiti's problems... You are always logging on the Dominican Today website criticising we Dominicans and calling us racist and slave masters etc. Why don't you logg on Haiticulturalx.org, haitixchange.com and the rest of the Haitains web sites and criticise the Haitian government and the people of Haiti on how they have Haiti so messed up with thier high curruption level and selfishness. We have curruption in D.R but our government works for us unlike the Haitian government. Cheap labour is every where. Look at emerging China, how big their economy is and just about every product and electronic gadget you use, when you look at the bottom of it, it says "Made in China". Hasn't cheap labor contributed to that and thier rich economy?

Economics drives this baby and until there are sufficient economic activities in Haiti the process is likely to continue. But the nationalistic impulse and the quick pace of this process is providing a "dry gun powder" effect to take hold. When will this blow, no one knows. Hopefully, the pace of Haiti's economic revitalization takes hold and fast, before the gun powder is set ablaze. Then both sides will be the worst off. Regularization and documentation of all foreign workers is needed and all workers should understand and their leaders that while DR will help out, some future repatriation will take place. Leonel Fernandez will need to make National Address to speak on this important topic, and answer questions. Nothing good can come about from a process that pits the poor against the poorer, and the national labor pool against a poorer labor pool across the border. Haiti and the DR need to combine their labor pools, this is the true ace for both in promoting exports.

These were the kind of jobs for many years that people would never give to Haitians. People would hire a Haitian to a little side job or some construction work but for a permanent domestic position it was frowned upon to hire a Haitian. So this is definitely a sign of the times. There is some blame to go around though mostly on the Dominican side. For many years Dominicans have taken these kind of jobs for granted and when they had them they have acted like they were doing the person hiring them a favor so take that into account on the other hand you have cheap people who don't pay their employees a fair wage and abuse. The Haitians are just trying to feed themselves and their family we all know what condition Haiti is in.

i kind of agree with elchico, must dominicans just want to be involve in politics so they can do the same as those politician also, they just want to be drinking in el colmadon and get a good paying job with no skill also all of those botella is making much easier for dominican to be even more lazier than what the are now. when you live as a middle class or above you must be carefull who you hire. first and foremost dominican will sell you out to thiets and kidnappers etc if they know you have some cash. hire an hatians it will be the next best thing. look at it this way if you going to hire a nanny it is bes to hire a hatian nanny that might teache your kid another language like french also they tend to be more loyal

Brotto

look at it this way if you going to hire a nanny it is bes to hire a hatian nanny that might teache your kid another language like french also they tend to be more loyal

And once that nanny kidnap your baby and takes him/her across the border to a country where 70% still don't have a birth certificate in their own land then all I can wish you is good luck trying to find the Haitian in Haiti. I much rather have a Dominican working at home much safer and I know there easier to find if something is to happen ever. Your scare tactics have been tried here before and they don't work, heck it doesn't even pass the smell test here anymore.

All I can tell Dominicans is hire Dominicans and money stays in DR and builds up the country to become a better place.

In a few years when the Haitian solidify this venue and completelly take over WATCH OUR ENEMIES SAYING THAT WE DOMINICANS DO NOT LIKE TO DOTHAT KIND OF JOBS AND FOR THAT REASON ALONG IT IS A WIN WIN FOR D.R.. Just as they had been saying with the construction, agriculture, ect.

We need a strong man in power who will do what is right for the country. Not appease all these international do gooders with their leftist agendas. There WILL be a reaction against all of this nonsense going on. Esto se tiene que acabar.

I don't blame our people for not working as slaves. It is our Governement's job to protect them not the other way around. These Haitians are dictating the salary and our Governement response is to take on their shoulder the problem of Haiti; trying to fix their problem before fixing ours while our populace is being displace in all sector.

maybe dominicans should slow down on partyin and drinking and do a little or more work and what make you think that a dominican nanny would not do the same look at the statistic about such of thing kidnapping etc. so please give me a break.

Brotto

what make you think that a dominican nanny would not do the same look at the statistic about such of thing kidnapping etc. so please give me a break.

Well since you now claim there are statistics that proves your point of Haitian being safer to hire than Dominicans in DR why don't you just show all of us such statistics exist.

Please let us all see the statistics of your claims. We will be waiting but I will grab a chair and seat until you show those statistics here.

@ MR Shelinof

Please forgive me me Sir for I'm not sure if you are simply a drunken fool or someone who simple lack reading comprehension, you can't have your cake and eat it too. You cant be against cheap labor via illegal migration but for its benefits. You reference to China is moot on this issue for yes China source of cheap labor is great for its development, but China is a homogeneous country ,influx of immigrants legal or illegal is not an issue there.

The point of my posting was to show the hypocrisy of some of the posters on here.
Side note- You do not get points for trying to be more Dominican than the true Dominican on this site at least there is some logic to some of their arguments,not just rants FYI the whole purpose of the forum is to exchange ideas from all sides on the topic of the day, I doubt you will find too many here who agreed with your characterization of my posts on DT, but I do understand the truth is sometimes uncomfortable.

yucahu "We need a strong man in power who will do what is right for the country Not appease all these international do gooders with their leftist agendas. There WILL be a reaction against all of this nonsense going on. Esto se tiene que acabar. "


Try telling that to our leftist "COME SOLO" and they will all jump at you like some vermin flea. They will rather see our country unified with Haiti THAT IS A SAD FACT.

If Balaguer were to be alive today; he would had taken care of this problem allright, even though he would have been called RACISTS by our own people And faced with a enormus pressure from the big powerful countries. Like he cared to protect our sovereign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLZxI3ryYoA

LONG LIVE OUR NATIONALISTS.

@ Vacanos

While your comment may come from a sense of Patriotism it is clearly out of touch with the time. As I recall your government just sold your birthright to the interest of foreign investments by enshrined in its constitution the beach close. When 30% of your annual budget depend on foreign aid,and you are constantly walking around begging for foreign investments you are no longer your own master.

Pat-Demon
You calling another person drunken fool it is like me saying that you are the only Haitian with internet acess. Common Man everybody here knows the kind of Bofoon you are in this site.

@Vacanos

Is that your best rebuttal?

Pat-Demon "While your comment may come from a sense of Patriotism it is clearly out of touch with the time. As I recall your government just sold your birthright to the interest of foreign investments by enshrined in its constitution the beach close. When 30% of your annual budget depend on foreign aid,and you are constantly walking around begging for foreign investments you are no longer your own master. "

Demon, personaly I don't find or sense the patriotism in a leftist person. Your statement is correct when you are talking to a leftist who believe FIRST in IDEAS and NOT Country. A nationalists or patriot as you stated-will die to defend his/her homeland. There was a time not long ago when we had a leader in Joaquin Balaguer who will put in his pocket and play with them all these knuclelhead NGO, human right, pest. There was no amount of money that could put a finger to pressure him to relent on his Dominicanidad.

My question to you WTF are you talking?

Illegal immigration under cuts and destroys wage scales.

@Vacano

Sorry Hombre, I see we are on two different planets- Your problems are not the NGO's Its the business interest of your country. I did not realized I was talking above your head .

Atabey- can you please educate this young man .

"LONG LIVE OUR NATIONALISTS"
That comment was truly inspiring. As a 23 year old I have always noticed the demographic changes when I would visit la Isla annually throughout my childhood. The sad case is that we are being out-breeded. Both countries holding about ten million citizens on each side on a island with a limited number of resources. Please take into consideration that does not include the illegal Haitian immigrants that are currently in the Republic.

My brothers and sisters this is not about purifying but perserving.

Some of you can look in the mirror right now and ask yourselves
do you want to live in such land? Where your daughters are no
longer safe? Where law has no order? Everything behind metal
bars? More sexual deviance introduced into our youth culture?

Stand up Dominican brother!
The time has come.

Pat-Demon "Sorry Hombre, I see we are on two different planets- Your problems are not the NGO's Its the business interest of your country. I did not realized I was talking above your head .
Atabey- can you please educate this young man ."

Demon I left you speechless, right? That is right create some annesia inside your close minded brain when you feel you that you had been schooled. You can't put "business interest" in other word money in the hand of a nationalist when it come to defending its Sovereign, idiot.

@Vacanos

I'm not going to bother with re posting your rebuttals to my comments clearly there is a disconnect here. Congratulation son you have managed to prove to the whole wide web that you are truly a Dunce, however do not worry your self I'm certain you will get all the +s your heart desire for great minds do think alike.
Ciao

@patdiamod... LOL i have to laugh that you have the audicity to call me a drunken fool..by the way i don't drink alcohol. You claim that foreign aid makes up 30% of our annual budget... O god which country on earth recieves more foreign aid than Haiti? Tell me please and still the country can not do better for its selve. All those missionaries and NGO's in Haiti now and before the Earthqauke. investors are willing to take risk in D.R and invest but they are sacred to invest in Haiti because of political instability and restrictions on foreign ownership that your constitution has. Foreign investment is needed in every economy and it has build nations such as China, Brazil, India, Singapore etc so stop talking shit about our birthright sold for foreighn investment. The problem with you is that Haitians like you are jealous that the D.R is much more richer and develop than Haiti and feel as we Dominicans owe you and that our country is yours. Hater!!! I smell a hater!!! LOL

People your sitting here wasting your time talking to one literate Hai-tian-mon who has a chip on his shoulders because he comes from a land of chaos.

I'm not going to bother with re posting your rebuttals to my comments clearly there is a disconnect here. Congratulation son you have managed to prove to the whole wide web that you are truly a Dunce, however do not worry your self I'm certain you will get all the +s your heart desire for great minds do think alike.
Ciao



Pat-Demon ok then GTFO while you can still use your leg to run. For us Dominican we don't have to look anywhere to see why Haiti had been a mess since the beggining we just like at bofoon like you.

@vacanos i agree with you. patdiamond is just a jealous Haitian jealous and envious our country. que viva la Republica.

Mr Shelinoff

Thank you for educating me on matter of a countries development by the way Sir I'm make my living behind a Bloomberg terminal, . As far as being a jealous Haitian let's See I have a US passport with an addendum, year to date 200k frequent flyer miles mainly Europe and Africa my friend at that stage where I'm from does not defined who I'm as a person for the world is very small thru my prism so I do not wear my country's flag around my shoulder.

Oh here it comes the Internet Haitian success story. American passport huh? Yeah I guess if I was born in Haiti even Uganda would sound like a good move. 200,000k on your flyer miles? Nice let me guess white and dominican woman all the time? Haha your country is in critical condition and your taking trips from Miami to Lakeland . Awesome!

@patdiamond stop lying to yourselve about your profession. living in fantasy world. Alice in wonderland lol. Delusional. You should cashin in your flyers miles and feed Haiti Mr. delusional

@stop lying to yourselve about your profession. living in fantasy world. Alice in wonderland lol. Delusional.

Haha he is so important and professional that his business is to go on dominicantoday.com and post rebuttals. But what can you expect just look at where he comes from. And where they come from ;]

Hahahaha what a clown, @Hisponiola youre right... what a clown. spends his whole day o nfacebook attacking and critising the dominican republic and its people but yet he wants to pretend he is so important. stupid!!! Go back Haiti and help your country. Haiti needs professionals. LOL estupido.

Mr Shelinoff

As you have stated hear before your wife is Haitian from Jacmel as far as my contribution to Haitian Society you Can asked her about that Higher learning Institution in Port Au Prince that bear my Family name its well knowing in Haitian Society its been there for generations its only rival is the jesuit School St Louis Gonzague where some of the best and brightest of the Haitian Elite have received their formal education. On my mother side grandpa was the third largest coffee exporter out of Haiti with over 200 on his payroll and later merge with Madsen and Brandt formed PRIMEX.

As far as spending time responding to post on DT- Yes you can do that with a blackberry that's the beauty of technology. beside 10 to 14 hrs a day at the trading desk specially before non farm payroll can get boring.

^ "Haitian elite"? Oh your parents have a school for rich little mulatto, sons of corrupt exploiters, to get their education. How admiring the vast majority of your country is uncapable of

Governing, feeding or educating themselves yet you have some snobby prep school. And you trolling the Internet has to do with what?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AEGlVs5cGHo
everyone check that out and prepare yourselves for what is to come

ShelinoF ese demonio piensa que nosotro a la fuerza tenemos que sacar a los Haitianos de sus propio hoyo que ellos se enterraron. Si nosotros no usamos nuestro recurso limitados para ayudarlo no dicen que somos racista. Uno no puede ganar con esos Demonio.

@patdiamond. Yes i have told you before my wife has Haitians roots. Her mother is from Jacmel, Haiti and her mother is of Labaneese descents. My wife great great grandfather migrated into Haiti and settled in jacmel opening up businesses and it was past down by generation . If you see my mother in law you wouldnt believe she is Haitian because of her complexion and hair texture. I have told my wife before its hard to find a Haitian like you because they are rare and the majority are ugly, fat and black like charcoal. During Baby Doc era my wife mother sold off thier businesses and migrated to the Bahamas and there she met her husband. Take note that my wife father is bahamian from Freeport Grand Bahamas and she was born there and lived there her whole life and she hates visiting haiti because of how messed up the place is. i am not denying or hiding the fact that my wife has haitians roots but she is way different from the rest of the ungrateful and uneducated haitians

@vacanos. es verdad. Haiti esta en una miseria.

stand up dominican brother!
the time has come for what?.

u can blame the haitians u need not look far for the answer.
its dominicans and only dominicans who dish out these cheap labor jobs.

ok! show me only one dominican who will go into the fields for $rd's600 for the whole day cutting sugar cane, show me one please.

ungrateful and uneducated haitians
really! uneducated and ungrateful.

and dominicans are intelligent? they are grateful?
which plant u from?
u want to see one intelligent and grateful dominican? try and cross one street in santo domingo or even better try doing the speed limit on one road this is where for sure u find all of this.
in la- la land all is well. hey! the dominican airforce just like n.h.c. has sent one aircraft into the hurricanes to clock the forces of the wind.... man im really proud now of my people.. god bless them
{case u dont know, national hurrican center.} n.c.h.

and for all u jerks that are waitng for uncle sam to go out of business as one fellow said last week the united states will become a 3rd world country.

hey! social security has a 88 billion dollar surplus enough money to pay- out 100% benifits until the year 2039. after that they have enough money to pay 75%..
the war uncle sam just got out of, the cost was one trillion dollars..
think i will wait and see what warren buffet has to say rather then listen to a few idiots on this site. uncle sam does not peddal bananas
they export high technology and medical equipment. some thing the dr will never be able to do. one writer on this site said uncle sam owns this life to china . ok! so the uncle borrows mucho dollars from china... but china also does and will have lots of problems why! because they are printing money 24/7 to buy the dollars from the uncle... its all going too come back to them later.

Danny00 says

"hey! social security has a 88 billion dollar surplus enough money to pay- out 100% benifits until the year 2039. after that they have enough money to pay 75%.."

I say:

the word "money surplus" should be taken out of the American English dictionary for at least a couple of generations to come. There is no such thing as a US Money surplus when the debt equals 202 trillion dollars. I wish I could be as "optimistic" as you are but I'm a person who believes in the saying "numbers don't lie".

here is an interesting article: "We Have $202 Trillion in U.S. Debt"
http://www.austinreport.com/archives/3949

So I get a negative for saying the truth. Okay. This is like 99.9% DR's fault. The truth hurts. If they want to deal with this issue secure the borders and make it harder for people to hire Haitians. Dominicans take more pride in your work and stop trying to get over so you won't lose your job to a Haitian. All I'm saying is don't blame a haitian for trying to feed themselves and their family, it's the same reason many Doms came to the U.S (legally or illegally)...and I'm not Haitian or a pro Haiti guy, just telling it like it is...

Don't blame Haitians for taking your jobs. But blame your poltician for allowing so many Haitians to come inside leading to high unemployment and raising crime in your neighborhood.

With Haitians come:
crime, diseases and other social problems that stem from this invasion.

These Afro lambon Dominicans care more about these Haitians then they do for their own people!
Haitian injustice this and Haitian injustice that. Why don't you you move to Haiti and fight for them?

For Danny AfroLambon saying to find an intelligent and grateful Dominican?
Are you joking me? Haitian manual labor will be Dominican Republics downfall .
Mark my words you liberal commie scum. You have no racial connection with your
Dominican brothers which will lead us to become an endangered speices.


Were dying! All because Danny feels bad for Jean Pierre and his family.
So now Jean has 6 Afro Domi Haitan babies. While the Domi neighbor only has two.

Hispaniola says: "Haitian manual labor will be Dominican Republics downfall".

You tell that to the jefes then!!!! Until that changes which it never will then more haitians will arrive.

I having been raised in the Dominican Republic, attended grade school there, married my wife there and having fathered (3) kids there would think there are more pressing and important issues to discuss than Haitians and stupid jobs like a maid, doorman, tobacco or sugar cane picker. Let them have those jobs, who cares. We have massive unemployment, government corruption, inconsistent electic services, a terrible healthcare and educational system, and a growing underclass of poor which needs job training programs to compete in a growing global economy. A better education is what is needed for poor Dominicans, not more jobs in these areas. I just think a better education and job training skills are more important than some job as a maid, doorman and stupid Tabocco and sugar cane picker. Is this 2010 or 1810? Gimme a break!!!. Brasilenos4ever!!!!!!!!


Post IP/Country: 69

The above statment is what is going to turn Santo Domingo into little Port-u-Prince. Relying on immigrant cheap labor has been destructive to many civilizations in the past including Egypt, Greece and Rome. The fact is when all these houses are built and all the sugar is picked these Haitians end up changing the demographics.

When all the jobs are gone who is going to feed these Haitians and their offsprings? Maybe our Brasilian friend will come and answer that for us.