Santo Domingo.- Cadastre agency director Bolivar Marte affirmed Wednesday that only half of the country’s total territory has its deed of property registered in its files.
He said Cadastre signed an agreement with the Dominican Agribusiness Board (JAD) to start issuing titles for lands occupied by sharecroppers and farmers, to provide them with access to local banks to finance harvests and livestock.
Marte said the country has made important advances in the land registry system, citing a nationwide land price index and the approval of the project of surveys in the entire country, carried out with an international fund.
Earlier this year the Anti-American Development Bank announced the disbursement of funds to assist the Government in the effort to issued deeds to untitled lands.
From: Dominican Republic
Anti-American Development Bank????????
Hey DT are you reading what you print or just pasting to get some story out.
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... (Look, beyond the words)
Yeah right, proof reading ..... that's a laugh
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
No government could ever solve the land occupation issues.
One of the main problems is Pepe will get a title if he's with the right party, but his neighbours Pipo Papucho y Pingo will object alleging they occupy the same land.
Fernandez, then the Hippo, then Fernandez again tried to clean up the mess in Oviedo (SW), and never could. That's only one example.
Written by: Atabey, 15 Dec 2011 11:04 AM
From: United States, NYC
"Cadastre agency director Bolivar Marte affirmed Wednesday that only half of the country’s total territory has its deed of property registered in its files."
50% of the territory does not have a deed of property registration! Again, this immense task needs to be corrected for a better overall developmental strategy to advance. Hereto the future revenues will come forth as some of these landowners have not been paying their taxes to the state.
I wonder what the % for other property, housing and the like that fail to have deed registration. Anyone have any credible stats?
From: United States
"Cadastre agency director Bolivar Marte affirmed Wednesday that only half of the country’s total territory has its deed of property registered in its files. "
This is on purpose because how else can corrupt officials do a land grab when they want your land? If we had actual laws that were enforced and werent so damn corrupt maybe more than 1/2 the countries land would be legally owned with proof they can use in court.
Pay careful attention here people. 1/2 the land in the country has no deed. This means whatever you own has no deed and hence you never owned it!
Written by: Atabey, 15 Dec 2011 11:20 AM
From: United States, NYC
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....cs-to-fight-corruption-and-bust/3The End of Botellas and bogus Land deeds? DR could use biometrics to fight corruption and bust fake workers and documents. The Indians are doing this and other developing nations, too. DR needs to jump on board, the savings are potentially huge.
"The scale of the problem can be jaw-dropping. In Zimbabwe, a recent examination reportedly revealed 75,273 ghost workers out of 188,019 employees from various ministries. Eliminating these phantom employees would save taxpayers more than $200 million annually. The potential savings are immense in a country where up to 80 cents for every dollar of government revenue goes to salaries."
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
@Vero
Granted, but you knew that when you first bought, didn't you?
The whole downtown POP area in unregistered, people sell properties udsing the Registro Civil.
The first saneamiento will be the mother of all cans of worms.
From: Canada
Use the Phyto to trace back the product to the original farmer and use that as a basis of land ownership ...
Written by: danny00, 15 Dec 2011 12:42 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
used to be stolen cars from new york that was the number one business in the dr then on to real estate fraud and now its the drug business, but the good news for the crooks is that the car and real estate fraud business is still doing well.
{but if one is to ask mr. ricky he states their is no problem with gringos buying into the real estate market in the dr.
really? big f.......k problem for the gringos and dominicans alike
{if u get a lawyer hes going to f...k u also}.
Written by: anthonyC, 15 Dec 2011 1:28 PM
From: United States
This is one of the Main reasons I stopped doing business in the D.R.
You cannot have a vibrant, market economy without private property rights
Written by: dolo1, 15 Dec 2011 1:44 PM
From: United States
The upside is that without clear property rights, strangers i.e. foreigners can never be secure in their investment and hence are deterred from swooping in and dispossessing the locals who due to their local knowledge can have greater security.
The day titles get cleared up in the DR is the day Dominicans will find themselves dispossessed and homeless in their own country in short order.
Written by: Atabey, 15 Dec 2011 2:43 PM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: dolo1,
"The day titles get cleared up in the DR is the day Dominicans will find themselves dispossessed and homeless in their own country in short order."
That day is fast approaching and couldn't come sooner. I don't think the rightful owners will be dispossessed, but that the REAL owners will have confidence that his/her title will be respected.
And tax collected on many previously undocumented deeds and properties. If you want modernity, you have to pay the price for modernity. Respect for the rule of law, low corruption, competent and honest police enforcement, and all the rest need to be created. People that lived outside of a modern structured polity might find the going not to their liking-they prefer the old personal corrupt ways to handle things. In a modern society, such "personal" touches don't a prosperous and enlighten polity create. Yes, some people are honest, but too many are not and so government and laws have to exist-and Taxes to pay
Written by: josean, 15 Dec 2011 3:20 PM
From: United States, Show your Love for DR Vote AGAINST the PLD!
The deed for the METRO is only priority for this dysfunctional government!
Written by: RoyStone, 15 Dec 2011 3:44 PM
From: Australia
Many of the current "owners" are the descendents of squatters with little education and know nothing about capitalism, only materialism an consumerism. Once they have a legal deed to their property, then they can use it as collateral to take out huge loans from the bank. Bank's don't care if they have the income to service the loan, as long as they get their interest and retrieve the principal when they foreclose. The economy will get a big boost with all the new consumer spending, until the shit hits the fan.
I'd put money on it. Any takers?
Written by: dolo1, 15 Dec 2011 6:36 PM
From: United States
Atabey = totalitarian big government apologist mascarading as pro "progress". or are you just a Communist in sheeps clothing ?
The first thing that come to your mind after clearing up titles is the taxes that government can impose on the owners ???? eventually that same government will come to dispossess the owners of their property simple by increasing those taxes beyond the ability of most of the owners ability to pay.
People will be renting from the government essentially. This is proving to be a disaster in the US and you want to apply it in the DR.
Written by: Atabey, 15 Dec 2011 7:11 PM
From: United States, NYC
There can be no semblance of modernity without some allocation of taxes to a central authority. Check out Bismark's Germany or any other attempt at modernity. While DR is small relatively speaking, it has monumental deficits in many important areas that require urgent redressing. DR has been governed very poorly for many generations. The clear mismanagement is very evident in the lack of confidence with "legal documentation" across the board. Cédulas are multiplied at the discretion of personal gain and so with all sorts of titles and certifications.
Biometrics and cheap computer power offer a technological gateway to amend these deficits and I see no reason why this avenue should not be explored. Yes, technology can and has been used to centralize authority of the political regime, but you can't be a little pregnant with modernity. Or do you think you can be a half-virgin?
Written by: RoyStone, 15 Dec 2011 7:38 PM
From: Australia
Atabey,
You seem to be suggesting that biometrics is the answer for all of this country's problems. Have you just bought shares or landed a container-load of stuff?
I agree about the tax bit. In much of the untitled countryside, apart from not paying any land tax, they don't pay any rent, income-tax, municipal rates, have free water, free contraception, free health-care, free education (including a free lunch and uniform), free rubbish collection, heavily subsisted electricity and gas, yet continue to whinge the government doesn't give them enough.
Written by: Atabey, 15 Dec 2011 7:49 PM
From: United States, NYC
No. But a good one there!
Just appears to be a good tech fix for many of the vices that plague the DR at this moment. It couldn't be worse than our traditional ways of "controlling" corrupt practices.
Think of the savings just from useless paperwork!
Hey DT are you reading what you print or just pasting to get some story out.
One of the main problems is Pepe will get a title if he's with the right party, but his neighbours Pipo Papucho y Pingo will object alleging they occupy the same land.
Fernandez, then the Hippo, then Fernandez again tried to clean up the mess in Oviedo (SW), and never could. That's only one example.
50% of the territory does not have a deed of property registration! Again, this immense task needs to be corrected for a better overall developmental strategy to advance. Hereto the future revenues will come forth as some of these landowners have not been paying their taxes to the state.
I wonder what the % for other property, housing and the like that fail to have deed registration. Anyone have any credible stats?
This is on purpose because how else can corrupt officials do a land grab when they want your land? If we had actual laws that were enforced and werent so damn corrupt maybe more than 1/2 the countries land would be legally owned with proof they can use in court.
Pay careful attention here people. 1/2 the land in the country has no deed. This means whatever you own has no deed and hence you never owned it!
The End of Botellas and bogus Land deeds? DR could use biometrics to fight corruption and bust fake workers and documents. The Indians are doing this and other developing nations, too. DR needs to jump on board, the savings are potentially huge.
"The scale of the problem can be jaw-dropping. In Zimbabwe, a recent examination reportedly revealed 75,273 ghost workers out of 188,019 employees from various ministries. Eliminating these phantom employees would save taxpayers more than $200 million annually. The potential savings are immense in a country where up to 80 cents for every dollar of government revenue goes to salaries."
Granted, but you knew that when you first bought, didn't you?
The whole downtown POP area in unregistered, people sell properties udsing the Registro Civil.
The first saneamiento will be the mother of all cans of worms.
{but if one is to ask mr. ricky he states their is no problem with gringos buying into the real estate market in the dr.
really? big f.......k problem for the gringos and dominicans alike
{if u get a lawyer hes going to f...k u also}.
You cannot have a vibrant, market economy without private property rights
The day titles get cleared up in the DR is the day Dominicans will find themselves dispossessed and homeless in their own country in short order.
"The day titles get cleared up in the DR is the day Dominicans will find themselves dispossessed and homeless in their own country in short order."
That day is fast approaching and couldn't come sooner. I don't think the rightful owners will be dispossessed, but that the REAL owners will have confidence that his/her title will be respected.
And tax collected on many previously undocumented deeds and properties. If you want modernity, you have to pay the price for modernity. Respect for the rule of law, low corruption, competent and honest police enforcement, and all the rest need to be created. People that lived outside of a modern structured polity might find the going not to their liking-they prefer the old personal corrupt ways to handle things. In a modern society, such "personal" touches don't a prosperous and enlighten polity create. Yes, some people are honest, but too many are not and so government and laws have to exist-and Taxes to pay
The deed for the METRO is only priority for this dysfunctional government!
I'd put money on it. Any takers?
The first thing that come to your mind after clearing up titles is the taxes that government can impose on the owners ???? eventually that same government will come to dispossess the owners of their property simple by increasing those taxes beyond the ability of most of the owners ability to pay.
People will be renting from the government essentially. This is proving to be a disaster in the US and you want to apply it in the DR.
Biometrics and cheap computer power offer a technological gateway to amend these deficits and I see no reason why this avenue should not be explored. Yes, technology can and has been used to centralize authority of the political regime, but you can't be a little pregnant with modernity. Or do you think you can be a half-virgin?
You seem to be suggesting that biometrics is the answer for all of this country's problems. Have you just bought shares or landed a container-load of stuff?
I agree about the tax bit. In much of the untitled countryside, apart from not paying any land tax, they don't pay any rent, income-tax, municipal rates, have free water, free contraception, free health-care, free education (including a free lunch and uniform), free rubbish collection, heavily subsisted electricity and gas, yet continue to whinge the government doesn't give them enough.
Just appears to be a good tech fix for many of the vices that plague the DR at this moment. It couldn't be worse than our traditional ways of "controlling" corrupt practices.
Think of the savings just from useless paperwork!