Santo Domingo Metro - Photo: elnuevodiario.com.do
Santo Domingo.- In a second reading yesterday the Chamber of Deputies approved the loan contracts for the construction of the second line of the Santo Domingo Metro, for a total sum of 251.5 million euros, some RD$13.6 billion. The deputies also approved the commercial contracts for the construction of the project, some 101 million euros, executed by the Transport Reorganization Office (Opret).
The loan, which had already been approved by the Senate, will be sent to the Executive Branch for immediate execution. Financing for the project has been granted by BNP Paribas Fortis, Citibank Europe PLC, KFW and Deutsche Bank, S.A.E.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Where is our little buddy Josean when we need him ?.....This is a good investment in the long run but a back breaker in the short run
From: United States
Blutarsky its a back breaker no matter which way you go with it.
The DR needed a subway just like it needs a hole in the head.
Written by: telemeco, 23 Jun 2011 8:19 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
i have rather have the metro aprove and the 4% for education,,,i guess you cant bake a pie and eat it too
From: United States
This is and will ever be ONLY for the rich. And there is not that many of them to keep it alive.
These government pin heads haven't calculated in maintenance.
NYC subways loses money and everyone one takes them.
Written by: jhcl2012, 23 Jun 2011 8:46 AM
From: United States
@gmiller261,
Si fuera por ustedes, comprarían RD$13.6 billónes de matas de plátano y rulo para sembrar en la frontera!
:-)
From: United States
jhcl2012, did not Google translate well.
What did you say?
Written by: Atabey, 23 Jun 2011 10:07 AM
From: United States, NYC
Anyone aware of the demographic dimensions in SD will have to agree that this METRO project is badly needed for the long-term interests of the DR. By 2020 the population of SD will increase by another million or so people, and unless Mass Transit is constructed SD will be a hell hole in more ways than can be imagined today. Now this DOES NOT mean that there are other VERY IMPORTANT and NECESSARY sectors, Education and Housing, among the many competing ones, that need close and vital attention. But in order to get the modernization drive balanced and offer more investments across the board to all these important sectors, the State in DR has to FINALLY achieve overall taxation collection monopoly. Yes, you heard it, want more infrastructure developments, more schools, more this and that, then you need to collect taxes. Those Bonds need to be serviced and tax revenues collected to do so. The rich and middle classes and the working classes all have to contribute.
Written by: Atabey, 23 Jun 2011 10:10 AM
From: United States, NYC
The Dominicans aboard contribute 2 billion or so annually to support relatives and future dream retirements in DR. So, everybody has to contribute. You can't have a significant portion of the economic pie outside the taxation collection system + meet all the demands of a developing nation. Not possible. Of course, it is far easier to get additional taxation streams with an expanding economy so DR must develop its export capacities to the fullest. With China re-valuing the Yuan, perhaps small developing nations like DR will have a bit more room to expand their exports to the main international markets. Not sure what the overall taxation penetration is in DR, but in PR the governor has stated that only 55% of the taxable base is taxed. DR is in the mist of developing its most comprehensive property registration system and it will use that information to tap into the massive valuation development of the past several decades. Taxation is the price we pay for Civilization.
From: United States
Could not have said it better Atabey.
Written by: jperez, 23 Jun 2011 12:04 PM
From: United States
Agree 100% with Atabey.
Written by: Escott, 23 Jun 2011 12:58 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera and Sosua a 2 days a month for payday
What BULLSHIT. 100% of what is spent on transportation is spent on this shit that very few people use.
4% for education before this CRAP. The debt from this shit is beyond comprehension.
Written by: telemeco, 23 Jun 2011 3:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
I guess these politico reason that the student need a way to get to school
Written by: lovingit, 23 Jun 2011 3:41 PM
From: United States, Delaware
@gmiller261
The NYC Metro keeps loosing money because of the contracts and policies with greedy unions. NYC is home to some of the worse unionized labors in the U.S, which increases costs dramatically!
I mean, how are you not going to loose money when you have hire three people to take out a screw?
One person holds the screwdriver
One turns the screwdriver
One is the supervisor making sure the other two do the right job
If any of them was to do the job of the other, it would be a violation of union rules because they are "taking away" the job of the other.
From: United States, NJ
lovingit:
wherever you got that information from is wrong. purely propaganda by the
nycta/mta ceo .
this is done every 3 years before the contract is re-negociated with (twu)
local #100. some years there is a surplus of 600 millions and other there is
a shortfall of 800 millions.
what you have probably seen or were told and in some cases it is true,the
contractors who are confused with the operating people are the ones.
local# 1 for instance (the electrical union) milks the system working 5 hrs
per day and gets pay 3 times as much as a maintainer on the payroll . the job
gets under run as estimated and never gets finished on time, under capital
projects. that is why we have a/p (access and protection) ,to over see the
project and inspect it as it progresses by our engineers & ta inspectors.
what manager does not tell the public is the starting salary of a (tma)
transit managemet annalyst is $80,000 starting & more than a supt in 3 yrs
From: United States, NJ
continue:
when they tell tou that hey have 50,000 workers on the pay roll this is also
including administration personnel that makes up the other half. by right
there should not be more than 25,000 (twu) members made up of maintainers
and helpers.since back in the 80's mayor kotch desolved the true known civil
serice jobs.leaving only 2 steps,the rest were appointed and (tma) started.
when i started you had to be an american citizen to hold a gvt job. it is no
longer a pre-requicite, in order to get them from china ,india,russia.. in a
way it is our fault since we were not producing hands on techs. exept comp
techs, and the subways need more than that to maintain it in good working
order and up to date in electro-mechanics field.that's where the russians
and eastern europeans come in after the cold war. so you can see we went
thru a lots of changes in the last 30 years.
Written by: lovingit, 27 Jun 2011 3:46 PM
From: United States, Delaware
@MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier,
How about the fact that if there is a deviation of plan during the day, the workers get paid another 8 hours per diviation?
So if someone is working on a track, and all of the sudden they are to leave that to go to another track for some unforseen issue, a "deviation" is caused, thus, this person now gets paid an additional 8 hours (because of the deviation) + the current hours they are working. They get paid those 8 hours even if the deviation is something as small as a 30 minute fix. Sometimes there are 3 to 4 diviations in one day and, thus givin a worker 32-40 hours on one day alone!
That is bizarre and flat out robbery!
From: United States, NJ
lovingit:
That is new to me since i retired in 2003 .That must be M/W ,3rd rail, & power distribution.I used to work in OPERATION / MAINTANANCE division and i never heard of that. If they get it more power to them. You have to remeber they are at risk all the time. Look at me after 41 yrs with them
i was exposed to a very bad illness obtained at the generating plants and asbestos wrapped cables".ASBESTOSIS"I don't wish that on my worst enemy yet after 5 years i won the case after i retired, in Albany W/C/B for life on top of my retirement and s/s. Again that is a job injurry and job connected and related. No one knows how filthy those tunnels are and the toxic enviroment those poor guys are exposed to around the clock. So if the get shifted to an emergency call by S/O or TRAIN MASTER they better respond . In must cases the public is at risk due to fire or other element that they don't disclose over the 6 wire ,so the public don't get alarmed. Also are their own F/D,electricaly. .
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The DR needed a subway just like it needs a hole in the head.
This is and will ever be ONLY for the rich. And there is not that many of them to keep it alive.
These government pin heads haven't calculated in maintenance.
NYC subways loses money and everyone one takes them.
Si fuera por ustedes, comprarían RD$13.6 billónes de matas de plátano y rulo para sembrar en la frontera!
:-)
jhcl2012, did not Google translate well.
What did you say?
4% for education before this CRAP. The debt from this shit is beyond comprehension.
The NYC Metro keeps loosing money because of the contracts and policies with greedy unions. NYC is home to some of the worse unionized labors in the U.S, which increases costs dramatically!
I mean, how are you not going to loose money when you have hire three people to take out a screw?
One person holds the screwdriver
One turns the screwdriver
One is the supervisor making sure the other two do the right job
If any of them was to do the job of the other, it would be a violation of union rules because they are "taking away" the job of the other.
wherever you got that information from is wrong. purely propaganda by the
nycta/mta ceo .
this is done every 3 years before the contract is re-negociated with (twu)
local #100. some years there is a surplus of 600 millions and other there is
a shortfall of 800 millions.
what you have probably seen or were told and in some cases it is true,the
contractors who are confused with the operating people are the ones.
local# 1 for instance (the electrical union) milks the system working 5 hrs
per day and gets pay 3 times as much as a maintainer on the payroll . the job
gets under run as estimated and never gets finished on time, under capital
projects. that is why we have a/p (access and protection) ,to over see the
project and inspect it as it progresses by our engineers & ta inspectors.
what manager does not tell the public is the starting salary of a (tma)
transit managemet annalyst is $80,000 starting & more than a supt in 3 yrs
when they tell tou that hey have 50,000 workers on the pay roll this is also
including administration personnel that makes up the other half. by right
there should not be more than 25,000 (twu) members made up of maintainers
and helpers.since back in the 80's mayor kotch desolved the true known civil
serice jobs.leaving only 2 steps,the rest were appointed and (tma) started.
when i started you had to be an american citizen to hold a gvt job. it is no
longer a pre-requicite, in order to get them from china ,india,russia.. in a
way it is our fault since we were not producing hands on techs. exept comp
techs, and the subways need more than that to maintain it in good working
order and up to date in electro-mechanics field.that's where the russians
and eastern europeans come in after the cold war. so you can see we went
thru a lots of changes in the last 30 years.
@MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier,
How about the fact that if there is a deviation of plan during the day, the workers get paid another 8 hours per diviation?
So if someone is working on a track, and all of the sudden they are to leave that to go to another track for some unforseen issue, a "deviation" is caused, thus, this person now gets paid an additional 8 hours (because of the deviation) + the current hours they are working. They get paid those 8 hours even if the deviation is something as small as a 30 minute fix. Sometimes there are 3 to 4 diviations in one day and, thus givin a worker 32-40 hours on one day alone!
That is bizarre and flat out robbery!
That is new to me since i retired in 2003 .That must be M/W ,3rd rail, & power distribution.I used to work in OPERATION / MAINTANANCE division and i never heard of that. If they get it more power to them. You have to remeber they are at risk all the time. Look at me after 41 yrs with them
i was exposed to a very bad illness obtained at the generating plants and asbestos wrapped cables".ASBESTOSIS"I don't wish that on my worst enemy yet after 5 years i won the case after i retired, in Albany W/C/B for life on top of my retirement and s/s. Again that is a job injurry and job connected and related. No one knows how filthy those tunnels are and the toxic enviroment those poor guys are exposed to around the clock. So if the get shifted to an emergency call by S/O or TRAIN MASTER they better respond . In must cases the public is at risk due to fire or other element that they don't disclose over the 6 wire ,so the public don't get alarmed. Also are their own F/D,electricaly. .