Let's see the Audits Lie-onel?

Get a life Josie!

You are quite a piece of work... Just as annoying as SPAM!

Look a little bit like the jersey city pathway station , the thing I wanna know is do they have there police station inside the stations .

if your question is serious ..the police stations have not moved but I have seen 2 policemen together at many stations either near the platforms or neaar the gates ,,but not always..I have not seen any problem at any station

What happened to the plans/surveys/soil tests? Oh yes, national security. Just wait for a small tremor.

josean,
Test ride the new line and let us know how smooth it is

I agree with Concatchero..Just as annoying as SPAM! Get a life Jose Anne!

I think we should start a campaign for that..Josie Anne Get a life!Get a life!Get a life!
:)

Wonder if by now a Dominican industrialist have his,her light bull on.......These Subway car could be made in DR..not need to imports...just buy the parts from Japan, Korea,China and the US and assemble in Santo Domingo.

Create jobs you Dumb politicians.

telemeco,

If they assemble them here they can’t get their "commissions" deposited in foreign banks!

I agree with Concatchero

Josie Anne Get a life!Get a life!Get a life!

Josean:

Judging you by your enemies, you must be a wonderful, thoughtful, intelligent person.

If one day there was an article on the Metro and Josean didn't comment, we would all die of shock. Hence you could say his comments are life-saving?

Thank you!

I will make sure to ask the Editor at DT to post more articles on the Catholic Church so we can all enjoy a longer life!

When will the new line be completed?

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Written by: Concatchero, 19 Apr 2012 11:23 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Get a life Josie!

You are quite a piece of work... Just as annoying as SPAM!



Why does the truth annoy you as much as Lie-onel?

@telemeco

About creating these cars in DR

We don't have the skill labor to support that. With DRCAFTA, there were rumors that S Korea (Hundai) and Japan (Nissan) would be willing to open plants in DR, but they would have had to import most of the labor because the technical staff they would require does not exists in DR.

4% anyone? Heck, I say do what Costa Rica has done and play catch up by doing 12% for a 30 years.

Yes, Josean,
We are overdue for some more words of wisdom from his hole-full-ness, the good cardinal.
Is that what is referred to in legal circles as "cardinal knowledge of a minor"?

Major cities of the world without a metro (subway) system:

Australia: = inhabitants in millions.
Sydney..........4.2
Melbourne....3.7
Brisbane........1.1
Perth................1.0
Adelaide...........1.0
Auckland, New Zealand.....1.0

North America:
Detroit..............5.5
San Diego.......4.0

South America:
Bogota..............8.0
Cali.....................4.0
Lima....................8.0
La Havana...........4.3
Panama City........1.4

Europe:
Belgrade................2.1
Liverpool.................2.1
Dublin......................2.0
The Hague..............1.2

Africa:
Dhaka......................15.0
Johannesburg.........5.0
Capetown..................4.0
Lagos.........................10.0

Israel:
Tel aviv.......................1.3

Asia:
Jakarta........................16.0

Redux:


Let's see the Audits Lie-onel?

Play it again Sam!



telemeco,

If they assemble them here they can’t get their "commissions" deposited in foreign banks!

Josy Anne..


how can you be more repetitive and annoying?

Dont you understand that everybody is happy with the Metro, but you?

Interesting list, RonEvane...

Now I understand why there's such chaos in Lima, the city with the craziest traffic in the whole wide world.

I can't imagine a metro in any of the Colombian cities you've listed before the 50-year old civil war ends.

I can only wonder how many lines there would be by now in Havana, had it not been by more than 50 years of frozen urban development of what was the most modern Caribbean city of its time.

Good post fellini..

You have a point!

Most, if not all of those cities have a surface metropolitan passenger rail service,or Metro. Melbourne also has an underground rail loop, circling the central business district, which is seamlessly connected to the surface rail network. It also has an extensive tram (light rail) network through out the CBD and suburbs as well as modern buses. There is also an extensive network of dedicated walking and cycle paths, and a limited riverboat service. The train, bus and tram services are all privately run, but coordinated in a central metro transport system, with extensive on-line support. There is also an extensive, interconnected network of freeways, and traffic cameras and police, who actually enforce road-rules and road-worthiness of vehicles, and drivers who generally comply.
Sydney has a similar system, with a more comprehensive underground component, and the addition of a mono-rail running above the city.

Santo Domingo's roads could not support a tram system, and acquisition of land for surface rail would be too expensive. In addition Dominican driving practices would make a light rail inoperable, and a surface electric rail system would be hazardous with citizens stealing electricity. An extensive underground rail network is the only option, and is long overdue.
Scrapping nepotism and the military would pay for it.
What is the PRD's policy on this? (Assuming they have policies).

The test runs are a smart move on the part of Opret. What they have learned from the operating behavior of the "old cars" over both lines is a control against which the "new cars" behavior is compared. The benefit of this is Opret has valid field tested findings of the quality and/or improvements of the new fleet and knowledge of the refinements on the new cars that could be used for the old fleet. Should upgrades of the old fleet be covered under the warranty contract this testing will bring these wants into the sunlight.

Just wanted to post this facts , leonel never really originated the ideas of a mass transit system , it was sorta always there , just look at these wikipedia facts

Central Romana Railroad was established in 1911 in the sugarcane fields. The total length of the line is 757 km (470 mi), 375 km (233 mi) being the 1,435 mm (4 ft 8 1/2 in) standard gauge.
The Dominican Republic Government Railway is a 142 km (88 mi) 1,067 mm (3 ft 6 in) narrow gauge railway.
There are 240 km (149 mi) operated by other sugarcane companies in various gauges: 558 mm (1 ft 9 31/32 in), 762 mm (2 ft 6 in), 1,067 mm (3 ft 6 in) gauges (1995).
There are no connections with Haiti.

Sugar-cane rail constitutes a "mass transit system"? Not in my book.

dont you understand that everybody is happy with the metro, but you?
hey! put me on the list please iam not happy also, but then again iam not happy about any thing about the dr.
whats to be happy about fools???
the only ones that have smiles and laugh all the way to the bank are the government boys, drug dealers and lets not leave out the folks that rob the luz and cable.........
have a great day in la-la land.... suckers.......

"Most, if not all of those cities have a surface metropolitan passenger rail service,or Metro."

Fact of the matter is that, regardless of it's functional efficiency, none of those cities enjoy an UNDERGROUND system.
The city of Bogota has, supposely, a very good surface transport system, with it's "millennium" buses. The same type slated to run in SD as "feed" lines.
However good all these systems may be, a subway is best!...So please, don't give me turd!

WELCOME ABOARD!
Our goal is to provide a safe, healthy, caring and learning environment for young children to explore. Our practice is to promote the development of the whole child. We consider the whole child not just cognitive, physical, and emotional.
Classroom activities will be based on hands-on experiments and age-appropriate tools, and include phonics and Chinese language, math and science, arts and crafts, music and movement, social play, gardening, and computer lab.

Every child is different, and has different developmental needs. We offer support and encouragement through their interest and curiosity to build up their self-esteem. Individual attention helps

Choo Choo Train ........... LOL..... LOL..... LOL.....

all aboard for ride of your lifetime suckers, maybe we dont u give u chairs or good teachers in fact we dont give u shit people, but we do give u the choo choo train. ride it and be happy so what that the world thinks u are all fools and idiots, who cares we have the choo choo train dont we...

If Hipo wins, he says he will stop the Metro...

And replace it with the zoo chu chu train!... So he can ride all the animals that voted for him...Including Jose Anne ...of course!

:)

lovingit;

You have a point there on the 12% for education same as COSTARICA but remember Costarica did away with their military in 1935.
As to Roy's statement the soil at DR will not support tracks for trains is incorrect ,how about the run from Sanchez to Pto Pta built in 1890 by the Belgians? ,the only setback was the approach to Pto Pta where A system of geers (engranajes) were needed due to the steep incline but the right of way is still there .It was desmantled in 1950 ,2 years before i left the country,since Trujillo needed the steel from tracks and bridges to manufacture his Cristobal rifles.It was obsolite.
Roy we don't need electrified tracks for trains as log as you have diesel engines that produce their own & traction power.We have the tunnel boering machines building the Metro once they finish they could start building 2 tracks heavy gage no more than 2 degrees incline straight from Santiago to PtoPta.

I wonder what the people dying of Cholera here on Santiago Think about the MONEY invested on this stupid Metro, i would guess they would love to have that kind of money invested on WATER SUPPLY so they don't have the possibility of DYING from a disease that is easily CONTROLLED just by having F@CKING RUNNING WATER like the civilized countries on the 20th century...

RonEvane, pleads
"So please, don't give me turd!"
Please explain, how can you run your green dream-home on electricity from a sludge-digestor without "turd"?

Ooops, faux pas!...I should not have said that. I need all the turd, I can get!

"I wonder what the people dying of Cholera here on Santiago Think about the MONEY invested on this stupid Metro"

Whenever there's a need for something, the first thing mentioned is the "useless, stupid metro".
No one refers to the racketeering in govt. syphoning billions from the treasury that could otherwise be implemented in socio-economic benefits, or the useless armed forces costing us billions more!?

Some can't see the real and present blessings that this form of infrastructure contributes to the welfare and myriad manifold savings to our land!...
If you could dig down deeper, you may come to understand, what a good thing this metro is, for us all!

Absolutely, Ron,
It is reasonable to debate whether the Metro is good value for money or not, however I believe there are more significant areas of wastage and theft, more worthy of mentioning when bemoaning shortcoming of the health, education and other system.

Roy, those same, one-dimensional idiots,should also consider the billions spent on traffic overpasses, tunnels, roads, etc, that have made transportation that much faster and convenient throughout!..

Shouldn't they be wailing about these too? Would they refuse to transit these roads because it is a "travesty of government to spend billions in it, rather than welfare for the people"??

I don't hear anyone protesting the building of highways, bridges,and ports!!...

Por que sera?

Did I read here that 84% of the population receive government handouts? It's not my country, but if it were, I'd rather it was spent on Metros than bludgers.

Written by: RonEvane, 24 Apr 2012 6:11 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Whenever there's a need for something, the first thing mentioned is the "useless, stupid metro".
No one refers to the racketeering in govt. syphoning billions from the treasury that could otherwise be implemented in socio-economic benefits, or the useless armed forces costing us billions more!?

Some can't see the real and present blessings that this form of infrastructure contributes to the welfare and myriad manifold savings to our land!...
If you could dig down deeper, you may come to understand, what a good thing this metro is, for us all!
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1- IT IS USELESS because it can JUST be used by a TINY FRACTION of the population, actually is 5% OF santo domingo population!!! . WHAT ABOUT the OTHER persons? they don't count?

2- According to Wikileaks the total cost of Line Number ONE was close to 1,300 USD MILLIONS on 2007, that is TWICE the budget of EDUCATION for the ENTIRE COUNTRY

3- BEFORE you RUN, you have WALK, Before Putting new clothes YOU HAVE TO take a Bath!! that is called LOGIC, and LOGIC tells me that committing SUCH A MONSTROUS amount of Money into ONE SINGLE place that Benefits A MICROSCOPIC NUMBER of the 10 MILLION DOMINICANS is Nothing more than a F@CKING DIRTY BUSINESS, NO ONE on this country asked for a METRO, this was NOT included on ANY plans WHATSOEVER, it was just Build to COVER UP CORRUPTION, that stupid thing has NEVER been treated with transparency EITHER, remember that Huchy Lora had to take the Government TO COURT because they REFUSED to release data on this, VIOLATING on the process a LAW THE SAME GOVERNMENT SIGNED, just like EDUCATION LAW.

4- I live on SANTIAGO, WHAT FREAKING BENEFIT to I get from this thing??? WHY was MY SO HARD EARNED MONEY invested on that without CONSULTING ME??

5- I CAN'T never AGREE with a Monstrosity Like the INVESTMENT on this Metro, when the same Government SAID they did not have Money to Built TWO Carbon Powered POWER PLANTS of 600MW each at a Cost of 1,200 MILLIONS USD to help LOWER THE COST of energy, BUT then the same Government HAS MONEY TO THROW IT in to a F@CKING HOLE UNDERGROUND!! the electric Problem AFFECTS ALL DOMINICANS, the "TAPON" on the Maximo Gomez just affects TRES GATOS, that is SIMPLE LOGIC for GODs SAKE!!

6- I did my own analysis on this subject and REACHED a conclusion based ON SIMPLE LOGIC, I don't oppose things JUST for the sake of it, I DO IT FOR A REASON... IN A NUTSHELL, IF you invest TWICE the BUDGET of EDUCATION on a SINGLE PROJECT, it BETTER BE FOR at least, repeat AT LEAST, 50% of the 10 MILLION PEOPLE that CREATED that money!! it is A SIMPLE and CLEAR FACT!! if those 1.3 Billion DOLLARS were invested on POWER, HEALTH, EDUCATION or ROADS i would be the FIRST PRAISING the GOVERMENT!!!

Written by: RonEvane,
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Roy, those same, one-dimensional idiots,should also consider the billions spent on traffic overpasses, tunnels, roads, etc, that have made transportation that much faster and convenient throughout!..

Shouldn't they be wailing about these too? Would they refuse to transit these roads because it is a "travesty of government to spend billions in it, rather than welfare for the people"??

I don't hear anyone protesting the building of highways, bridges,and ports!!...

Por que sera?
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Porque Tu NO preguntas a la gente FUERA de Santo domingo que son mas del 65% de la poblacion!! POR ESO ES...

the DISTRITO NACIONAL, is NOT the dominican republic, and THAT ONE DIMENSIONAL VIEW is what has this country F@CKED UP, i would like to hear Punta CANA's people Opinion on the wat THE MONEY THE THEY PRODUCE is SPENT somewhere else , WHAT good is to have good highways on the Distrito IF THE rest is a SH!T HOLE?

airgordo,
I, and I assume others, would be delighted to read of your alternative to the Metro that will provide transport to all 10 million Dominicans.

GOOGLE transmilenio, and begin with that, there are not 10 million dominicans on the 14 km that this thing runs, therefore you need to plan ACCORDINGLY AND INVEST ACCORDINGLY...

I'm talking about NUMBERS and MONEY, i would expect an INTELLIGENT RESPONSE, from whoever that supports this stupidity to PROOF me WRONG WITH NUMBERS and LOGIC on my analisys...

Airgordo, believe me when I say that I agree with your brand of logic…Yes, true enough, one needs to take a shower before putting on clean clothing!...That’s usually the methodology and sequential order of things, but it doesn’t always follow to be commonsensical. The fact that it slaps hard in the face of reason does not make this metro a governmental foolishness or idiocy. …Why? Because it makes all the sense in the world. As we all know, any big city, if it’s to prosper and function effectively, has to have an efficient and dependable transport system. There’s no getting around that!
Yes the govt. Didn’t ask permission from you or me or the rest of the nation, about spending, (some may say, wasting), over a billion dollars on something that might have found other, more acceptable, politically correct, uses. True! But you can bet that, sooner or later, the need for it would have been necessary for SD, even if it only serves 1/3 the population!
I have already posted many..

.... of the immediate, and very important advantages, this type of infrastructure offers!...Just the fact that it can save hundreds of millions, that’s right, lots of money annually, in oil imports, is reason enough to celebrate and thank goodness we have an alternative mode of transport other than the usual Conchos and inefficient bus lines!
Think about it this way:.. without the right tools, one cannot do the job properly. A big city can never pave its’ way out of horrific traffic! The way to go is to build rail lines. Cars and/or buses can never take the place of an efficient, safe, and fast system, as our subway lines are!!!

"GOOGLE transmilenio, and begin with that"

"TransMilenio is a bus rapid transit system that serves Bogotá, the capital of Colombia. The system opened to the public in December 2000, covering Av. Caracas and Calle 80. Other lines have been added gradually over the next several years, and today 9 lines totalling 84 km (54 mi) run throughout the city."

Alright, here you are!..Are you saying bus lines are better, faster, safer, more efficient than a subway system?..If so, you must be nuts and I'm wasting my time dealing with you, bud!

Ronevan..excellent post...

Ron,
There is no logical reason to object to the proper implementation of a Metro system in Santo Domingo. I believe the real objection is an objection to the PLD and the Metro is clearly a PLD initiative. All other areas of expenditure or wastage, real or imagined are historically common to both PLD and PRD.

No Roy there are other reason than to just protest PLD STEALING!


It is a matter of National Priorities over local needs; the METRO is a local a need that only serves 0.5% nationally and at best 2% of the population locally i.e. a few neighborhoods in the Capital and not very well at that.

EDUCATION is NATIONAL PRIROTY for 100% of the school age children in the country.

The METRO does nothing for the NATIONAL industries, of agriculture, tourism, manufacturing etc. and It doesn’t transport any type of light or heavy goods. It has ZERO impact on the economy in the immediate or long term future. It was ill-conceived, poorly planned and for the foreseeable future because of its half ass planning it will be a big financial albatross on the NATIONAL Dominican taxpayer, rather than the marginal romantic benefits some try to sell here.

continued

It is amazing how political partisanship make people blind to object reality, that in the cost benefit analysis the costs out weight the benefits by a HUGH MARGIN. The only benefits are to those who are stealing the Dominican taxpayer’s money with its GROSS overvaluations!

I suspect that many who are so pro-METRO, other than the usual my country wrong or right crowd, are just folks that have some type financial interest in this cart before the horse project.

"doesn’t transport any type of light or heavy goods. It has ZERO impact on the economy in the immediate or long term future."

I won't waste my time trying to make any sense with you because you don't have any.

If it were not for the subway system, here in Washington, I wouldn't think about going to see the Nationals baseball team play in South East, DC. A place that's too far and difficult, (and dangerous), to get to if not by subway. Driving is a nightmare of traffic congestion and forget about buses...

The stadium was built there because it was an out-of-the-way place and land is a lot cheaper.
The nearest subway station handles thousands of people each game. If not for it, only mentally challenged people would go there by car and pay a $50.00 parking fee!!

This is just one of many reasons why the DC metro system is an invaluable convenience for all.
Without it, the city would come to a halt...literally!

By the way, the DC school system is the worst in the nation. The city has, for many years, tried to fix it to no avail. Countless mayors and their city councils have tried and failed many times over.
One of the most blaring reasons for this is the teachers' union, comprised of ineffective and inept personnel with a death grip on the city's youngsters.
Interesting to note that many students take the subway to get to schools in Maryland and Virginia in order to escape the ineptitude!

What the hell does the DC METRO have to do with the price of tea in China or the real objective needs of the Total National Dominican population GENIUS?

If you can't see the correlation, I need not continue to spell it out for you, sir....You haven't the mind to understand.

EDUCATION is the economic LOCOMOTIVE of all development; then the rest will follow!

Written by: RonEvane, 28 Apr 2012 8:58 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

By the way, the DC school system is the worst in the nation. The city has, for many years, tried to fix it to no avail. Countless mayors and their city councils have tried and failed many times over.
One of the most blaring reasons for this is the teachers' union, comprised of ineffective and inept personnel with a death grip on the city's youngsters.
Interesting to note that many students take the subway to get to schools in Maryland and Virginia in order to escape the ineptitude!
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Cool, i guess those students DON'T have to be concerned about power cuts and have running water on their homes so they effectively won't die of Cholera , Malaria or Amebas...when you have THE BASICS solved, then you think on metros or Space Staions if you want, NOT A MINUTE BEFORE, First is the FIRST unless you have MONEY to do both, which we don't!

Written by: RonEvane,
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

"GOOGLE transmilenio, and begin with that"

"TransMilenio is a bus rapid transit system that serves Bogotá, the capital of Colombia. The system opened to the public in December 2000, covering Av. Caracas and Calle 80. Other lines have been added gradually over the next several years, and today 9 lines totalling 84 km (54 mi) run throughout the city."

Alright, here you are!..Are you saying bus lines are better, faster, safer, more efficient than a subway system?..If so, you must be nuts and I'm wasting my time dealing with you, bud!
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CHEAPER and FASTER, with NO MAJOR infrastructure change, that is FACT, Bogota has TWICE THE PEOPLE than the ENTIRE SANTO DOMINGO!! That was the primary solution to be taken BEFORE METRO BUT the GIGANTIC commissions and the Money Laundering CAN'T BE DONE on Buses, since everybody knows more or less HOW MUCH does a Bus cost, that Metro thing is ALL ABOUT STEALING MONEY

Written by: RoyStone, 28 Apr 2012 7:36 AM
From: Australia
Ron,
There is no logical reason to object to the proper implementation of a Metro system in Santo Domingo. I believe the real objection is an objection to the PLD and the Metro is clearly a PLD initiative. All other areas of expenditure or wastage, real or imagined are historically common to both PLD and PRD
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There is PLENTY LOGIC on objecting something stupid as investing TWICE the education budged OF AN ENTIRE COUNTRY, on a SINGLE Project...or do you see any LOGIC on using the Food Money of your home to purchase Flat screen TVs instead???? if that is not stupid i don't know what it is...

A rapid bus transit system is fine if you have the roads for it, and other motorists that obey the road-rules, but in Santo Domingo? Really!

I don't know of any other city that has regretted investing is an underground rail system. You want drinkable reticulated water and reliable electricity? Are you prepared to pay for it? I rest my case!

I hear a lot grumble about the fact the Metro only serves the capital, not the entire country. However the demographics of the Dominican Republic is even greater justification for a Metro. Almost half the entire population of the country live in the greater Santo Domingo urban area. How many other countries have such a high concentration in the one city?

" do you see any LOGIC on using the Food Money of your home to purchase Flat screen TVs instead???? if that is not stupid i don't know what it is..."

No, not a TV, that's a luxury one can live without. But let's say, a car that can get you back and forth to work when there's no other way to get there.
Understandably, that would be a huge sacrifice, but the necessity of transport justifies the expenditure.
Not far in the future, when a gallon of gas costs $10.00US, and conchos are priced out of business, you'll come to thank heaven for this Metro....You'll see!

Now the METRO was a Calling from GOD!

josean,
If we follow your rationale "reductio ad absurdum" then you should sell your car and give the proceeds to your local school, since it provides far less than 0.1% of the population with transportation.

I know this string is about the Metro, but since education keeps coming up, can I throw in a recent observation?

Some kids in our community stay home from school when it rains. I don't mean a hurricane, just common-garden rain. Hello - we are in the tropics and it often rains. Yet I have never seen anyone with a rain-coat and rain-hat here. When it rains, people panic like it's never happened before in recorded history, and that women will die a slow painful death, if their hair gets wet. They wouldn't be seen dead in last-year's fashions, or with anything less than an iPhone or Blackberry, but a rain-coat and rain-hat? That's a "need" not a "want", so the education department should provide that, if they want kids to attend school when it rains, it seems.

As I've asked before, in a democracy, why should the government treat education as a high priority when the people don't?

Written by: RoyStone, 29 Apr 2012 1:45 AM
From: Australia
I hear a lot grumble about the fact the Metro only serves the capital, not the entire country. However the demographics of the Dominican Republic is even greater justification for a Metro. Almost half the entire population of the country live in the greater Santo Domingo urban area. How many other countries have such a high concentration in the one city?
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ALMOST ALL of the countries that have DR characteristics have the same distribution of the population...there is NO WAY to justify the investment, REPEAT, the amount of the investment on a single project that does not even serve 1/3 of the population of SANTO DOMINGO, this stupid thing just serves about 1.5 Million people, and you want to justify that the EDUCATION, POWER WATER and HEALTH of a 10 Million country have to be invested on a SINGLE project that does solves ANYTHING, the same TAPONES are BELLOW the Metro rails, that ALSO is a fact.

Written by: RonEvane
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
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That Metro IS a luxury, why? did you see anyone on this country ASK for that thing? i have the Goverment Plan from the PLD on 2004, WHEN I VOTED for PLD, it does NOT metion any metro! this Metro thing is CHAINED to Leonel Fernandez's ENDLESS BULLSH!T of saying HE, like a PHARAOH or a KING, wanted a NUEVA YOL CHIQUITO.

I'm using NUMBERS to back my position, i would like to see yours to Justify the INVESTMENT for education, health and Power of AN ENTIRE COUNTRY GONE instead on a single project that services 'tres gatos'... when the Gas cost US$10, ME and everyone on this county except for the people living near that stupid thing WILL have to PAY from their POCKETS, that is about 90% of the DOMINICANS, just like EVERY FRIDAY we do on DR when the government RAISES the price on the fuel, you get the Idea Now??

Written by: RoyStone, 29 Apr 2012 1:25 AM
From: Australia
A rapid bus transit system is fine if you have the roads for it, and other motorists that obey the road-rules, but in Santo Domingo? Really!

I don't know of any other city that has regretted investing is an underground rail system. You want drinkable reticulated water and reliable electricity? Are you prepared to pay for it? I rest my case!
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Can you WRITE here of any city that lacks BASIC SERVICES and have a METRO??? i'll sit and wait for your response...I can not be more Clear on this Thread!! FIRST comes FIRST, when you have your Basic NEEDS COVERED, then you move to another subject, if they don't pay the services that is ANOTHER STORY that has NOTHING to do with actually having the services AVAILABLE.

By the way, 1.3 BILLION dollars for the first line of this montruosity GO A LONG WAY in terms of Building roads, EDUCATING drivers and Having AMET full EQUIPPED and WELL paid.

Roy,

It seems that airgordo has you by the little kangaroos!

I don't know of any other city where a multimillionaire mayor refuses to pay a million-Peso personal electricity bill, (uses government-funded petrol to run a generator instead) and gets away with it. Why would anyone provide a reliable, consistent electricity supply system when they know they won't get paid for much of it, others will steal power, and even transmission towers and cables? This has nothing to do with the Metro.

As for water, I don't know any other cities where reticulated potable water is provided totally free. Yet in our community, we pay nothing for this, and only a nominal small monthly fee for electricity. We also get rubbish collection but don't pay any municipal rates. Education might be sub-standard, but it is totally free and includes uniforms, books and even a meal. We get free medical treatment at the local clinic, and also the hospital in town. The "poor" also get a small payment from the government, indefinitely, for free, to assist with living expenses.

"when the Gas cost US$10, ME and everyone on this county except for the people living near that stupid thing WILL have to PAY from their POCKETS,"

No, they won't "PAY from their POCKETS"!...Simply because you and "they", WON'T have the money for it!.. Unless you're very rich, you'll just have to result to a cheaper mode of transport... the only other safe and reliable way to go, will be this metro.
Keep one thing in mind; there are four more lines yet to be built.! I'm sitting here typing and loving it!!

Perhaps not a bad thing if walking or riding a push-bike becomes an economically-attractive option, instead of driving or using a motorbike to go half a block?

I have nothing agaist the METRO had it been finance by the Gvt instead of foreign banks .
If 40% of the population in the capital Sto Dgo de Guzman are in such a need for it to go to their respective jobs it is all well if the jobs were there. I don't know how they make a living with such
a high unemployment rate?
As the need was there the IRT in 1903 was built followed by the IND in 1935 with th GW bridge to
place the working force at their respective jobs in NYC & NJ.
Now days you see the gvt employees as well as the executives in NYC riding it ,due to the low cost
This you will never see in the caital,riding next to a blue collar worker for which it was meant,as long as the gvt provides these high ranking officials with JIPETAS and free gas.Pay it out of their own pockets and pay tolls as every one does here.Put high tolls on the HW and high parking cost.(no exeptions),then you see results!