so how exactly does this speculation work ...do the growers put the chickens in refrigerators for months or do they not slaughter the chickens until they are old hens and roosters ..I would suggest that as most people buy their chickens either ready for cooking or cooked already , the culprits are more likely to be the big supermercados that have just raised their margins

when the peso was in the 50s did we see a price drop.

Ahhhh That old standby of the fascist left. The Evil Speculator.

Everybody blames them when the price goes up. Never mentioned when the price goes down.

You people are being played like a $5 violin.

Hey Anthony,

Nobody blames them when the price goes down, when did that happen?

It is unjustifiable for chicken farmer to rise the price when the production cost has not going up.

It is called business 101.

says Dr anthonyc

You people are being played like a $5 violin.

if you were a violin, you would not be worth 5 pesos. if cartels collude to occasion unjustified price hikes, that is detrimental to the poorest people in the country. 42% of Dominicans live below the poverty line. this is a STAPLE.know what that means? this is not a 5% hike on the price of a Ferrari.

Written by: bernies,

"It is unjustifiable for chicken farmer to rise the price when the production cost has not going up."

Really?

Unjustifiable?

Why?

Who are you or anyone else to tell anyone what they can charge?

And how do you know the cost of production hasn't gone up? How? because some self-serving government hack says so?
Lets just skip the arrogance of your beliefs and hit the even deeper argument.
Can you say without any doubt the the price of Polts, feed, rent, power, salaries, insurance, medicines, finance and transport hasn't gone up?
The weather has been perfect and there was no loss of production nor delays?

Can you?


BTW Business 101 is Buy Low/Sell High

So it is obvious you know nothing about business so move along.

From Dr Ac.... And how do you know the cost of production hasn't gone up?


aaahhhh .... price of fuel is still going down therefore produce/food staples should not rise but fall too... Main cost of chicken farming... feed ..... and the main cost of the feed is.... fuel... Even when there is a glut it staple and over supply, prices are still going up..

Ricardolito... it's wall street gambling on food staple prices years before harvests. Deregulation has enabled speculators to dominate the food markets, causing drastic spikes and crashes in prices.

From Dr AC "The weather has been perfect and there was no loss of production nor delays?"

So explain why are they still going up?

Besides the FACT that is none of your business why the a poultry producer wants to raise their prices......

None of you can say without a doubt that none of their production costs have gone up.

And the Idea that fuel prices haven't gone up is ridiculous at best and worrisome at its worse. Worrisome that people actually cannot look further back that a month or so.

But we all come back to main argument

WHO THE HELL ARE YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO TELL THEM WHAT THEY CAN CHARGE?

They could charge $100US per chicken if they felt like it. The only choice you have is to either pay it or not eat chicken......It is called FREEDOM. Deal with it.

"None of you can say without a doubt that none of their production costs have gone up."

As I just pointed out the main cost is fuel.... AND IT HAS GONE DOWN..... March 105 Crude Oil, Now it is below 80...
This subject is bigger than just the DR, the biggest chicken producers are American owned and are manipulating the prices.

You know what? There is no point talking to you about this, this is an ethical and moral issue and as we know it just about money money money to you..

If the price of chicken is too high, take advantage of the glut of goat meat - as in government scape-goat meat. Can anyone tell me of any other county's government that blames speculators for high prices? .... and who will a Dominican boycott hurt - global speculators? Hardly! Dominican retailers, wholesalers, distributors and producers? Probably.

is that correct ,,,the biggest chicken producers in the DR are americans ??

Stillhere,

Of course it is an ethical and moral issue.

I am on the side of Freedom you are not.
I am on the side of private property rights and you are on the side of socialism.

I am on the side of personal responsibility and you are on the side of Total government control of one's life.

this passage from a working paper is intended for those readers among us who went to school, and have a brain. sorry, anthonyc, this excludes you

Everyone has to eat. A functioning just food system cannot simply let prices fall as supply and demand dictate. Policy choices determine whose demand is effective in the market, and if we price those who live in poverty out of the market, then we need to find other ways to protect their right to food. In effect, the path of globalization adopted and implemented over the past several decades in almost every corner of the world has priced hundreds of millions of people out of their local food markets.

Protect means governments must devise and enforce laws that protect individuals’ access to human rights. Fulfill means governments must show progress toward making sure that the right to food is universally recognized and acted upon. The human right to food is not just about putting food in people’s mouths, necessary though that sometimes is. It is about ensuring that people have meaningful choices on how to live their lives, both as individuals and in community with one other.

"Of course it is an ethical and moral issue. "

So it is ethical or moral to drive up price of food staples though speculation, even when crops are at all time highs, while forcing poorer countries to pay well above cost + profit margins on staples.

"I am on the side of Freedom you are not. "

Yes you are on the side of freedom, the freedom of some to continue to profit of the poor. The freedom to put profits before all, the freedom to keep the poorest countries poor and indebted to your profits....

"I am on the side of personal responsibility and you are on the side of Total government control of one's life."

When personal responsibility is devoid of moral and ethical responsibility and is only about profits what happens then? Continue self regulation?? Well that has worked well so far! Right?

Dready, I don't agree with the premise of your paper. I do not believe people have an inalienable "right" to cheap food any more than big business has a "right" to cheap labor.

"inalienable "right" to cheap food"

It's not about "cheap food" it's about a fair price, not an manipulated inflated price...

Thanks for coming out of the closet AnthonyC! We now know your true color!!!

I wish I could exercise the FREEDOM to prosecute and hang any SOB market Speculator. Although I support democracy and the "free market", I do not support speculation with people making bets on what-ifs and what-if-nots, especially if it is about food, water, or power! In the USA, if the price of chicken is high, you can buy other things to feed youself, or go to the soup kitchen. Here chicken is taboo. Without it and the growth ormones, many chicas would not develop into the women they become! : )

Free market does not mean you can change prices based on predictions to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Staple foods in a poor countries should be protected from "speculation" and price-gouging, this should be regulated and enforced by the elected Govt. Since there is no such thing here, they called out for the boycott.

I would put speculators in the same boat as lawyers!... And sink it!
C.

Roy, we are not talking about pheasant under glass. we are talking about STAPLES. the way in which food is produced, and marketed, worldwide, is largely a matter of oligopolitic arrangements. the idea of a free market is a myth. 40% of the world´s production of basic food products is controlled by 5 or so major players. they can control prices, create artificial shortages by paying farmers to store grain, and many other tricks of the trade, designed to raise prices. take the lowly potato, in North America. 4 major players, including the family of the late JR Simplot, Cargill, and two others, control the entire crop. government has to step in, at some point, and regulate the moving parts, in order that people who cannot afford debilitating price increases can still put food on the table. that is government´s responsibility, as stipulated in the Human Rights Charter of the UN agreements . all signatories to this document are bound by that agreement.

Sorry Roy,

I need to agree with Dread's comments, and Stillhere is still here!

It is not about price control, it is about keeping price manipulations down and money out of speculator hands!

C.

says concatchero

Written by: Concatchero, 28 Jun 2012 12:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Thanks for coming out of the closet AnthonyC! We now know your true color!!!

we knew it all along. he was never in the closet. he is a miserable, loathsome excuse for the absence of a human being, who believes that employers should pay workers whatever they feel, and charge whatever prices they want for their products. if people die of starvation, tough shit. that will just leave more stuff on earth, to be divided among less people. he is vermin, a reprobate degenerate, who deserves to get a seat on that boat you described in your posting.

he feels is needed. I hope you rotten on whatever town or hole you crawled out from and DT should be censored anyone like you from posting comments. I agree with everyone else who agrees that price manipulations should be banned out of speculator hands paid by the business owners who want control everything and pay speculators for such acts. Anthony C, you should drown on your CACA (Letrinoso)…I hope your ignorant brain knows what that means…CUCARACHA!!

Anthony C, Is simple a miserable and unjust person who always goes hand to hand with the rich and those who promote illegal practices to keep the poor marginalized and in total misery because that’s where he feels they belong. If he was a true Dominican or Latino, he will care more about our people and the countries of Latin America but he is only another conservative arrogant capitalist who only care about profits for the business owners. I wonder if any day he visits the rural areas of the Dominican Republic and any other country in Latin America and experience the poverty people are exposed where they cannot even buy a whole chicken to feed a family of 4 of 5 and the hazards they have to go through without government sponsored programs like those of many socialist governments (who truly care about their people) where families get food stamps and government assistance, he will change his way of thinking. I guess what makes him happy is to post subhuman comments on DT forums anytime

Hi Dread,
I think u have gone soft on AC. If this guy could get into a position the same as Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot he would make them look like boyscouts, not to mention his "friend" Fidel who would be a soft pussy. I hope there will come a time were dna is possibly and mandatory to discover such individs and hence make sure the problem is taken care of swiftly, for the best of human beeings.

From Swede to AC in the forums
"I'm sorry dear, In order for you to insult me, I must first value your opinion. Nice try though."

Wow talk about nail on the head first time around... I like them already...hahahahahahahhahahha

says Xavier

I wonder if any day he visits the rural areas of the Dominican Republic and any other country in Latin America and experience the poverty people are exposed where they cannot even buy a whole chicken to feed a family of 4 of 5

yes ,he does. whenever he needs a good laugh, he goes to the depressed areas, so he can laugh at the people who are suffering, and dying from hunger. it makes his day to see people who do not know where the next meal is coming from. he sees them as a boil on the backside of a world that belongs to him, and his laissez faire capitalist fellow travellers. to him, they are all being punished by karma for being born lazy. they are moochers, taking his precious money. he deserves to be put in a cage, and fed through a slot. such human dreck should not be allowed to roam the world unshackled. he is, without exception, one of the foulest, vilest, most loathsome creatures that fate inflicted upon civilisation, and is the poster boy for birth control .

Dreadlocks,
God Bless your words of wisdom my dear friend. There is nothing else to say to Ms. Anthony C after your comments!!

Obviously, AC can make comments from the US where the financial system is collapsing onto itself due to FN speculators and rich people killing the life savings of the middle class. This same arrogant attitude and shit got the US in trouble in the first place. What I hate about it is that people like this turd are trying to give us a lesson in economics, while siutting in front of their PCs and looking at their stock portfolios. They can't even comprehend the misery in the world because they were never exposed to it, and frankly, I dont think they give a shit for anyone apart from themselves. I bet you anything that this asswhipe has something to do with the chicken industry or similar!
I find it funny that the US Free trade agreements with us and many nations, and international laws, are only respected when it is in their favor! They deserve their FALL FROM GRACE! And we will still have cheap chickens and rice in the DR to feed our people!
C.

I have doubts that world commodity speculators have much influence on the domestic price of chicken in the Dominican Republic. I also have doubts that the price of chicken is causing massive starvation - I have seen far more over-fed Dominicans than skinny ones. As for gambling, Dominicans don't seem to have an aversion to it, given there are far more bancas than bookshops, magazine and news-stands, libraries and schools combined.

says Concatchero

What I hate about it is that people like this turd are trying to give us a lesson in economics,

that is a laugh, as he does not even know what demand means, in economic terminology. i am serious.

TO DT Editor....

Why is it that I cannot post links to prove my point on your blog???.... You are affecting our capacity to communicate and I am against this. There are other ways to stop SPAMS, then to limit your readers ability to share valid information about a subject!

C.

@Dread..... I SO Agree with you! lmao Not a day goes by that I do not read garbage from ignorant people that obviously have a stake in the subject of the blog.... Some for guns, some for drugs, some for politics, and some for the Chicken market, such as AC.

@Roy, My friend, research the "BRICS Agreement" on the web and there are plenty of examples of how and why the price of chicken is manipulated world-wide. Unfortunately, I had the weblinks and the DT "nanny" did not want to let me post these. I think that you greatly underestimate the influence of globalization and the effect on local markets, and ultimately on the poor populations... Your fat Dominican may be hanging around the main street Banco, but the poor one is hiding two blocks behind the main street in the Barillo... I still believe that basic staple necessities of life should be locally protected from global influence, and that falls upon the elected Govt to protect!

Cheers,
C.

Concatchero, to post a link just leave off the w's

@Stillhere.... Thanks

C.