Where are the jobs for the graduates?

culinary arts== yuck,yuck

The Reality of METROLANDIA:

"82% High school students want to go to College, but afraid they will not get job"

"RESEARCH SAYS THAT 59% IS PROUD TO BE DOMINICAN, BUT 58% DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN THE COUNTRY"

Santo Domingo

Bethania Apolinar


"59 Percent of the high school students feel proud to be Dominican; however, 58 per cent does not want to live in the country, according to a study made by Juan Bosch Foundation and the Institute of teacher training Salomé Ureña."

"The investigation, which took as a sample of four thousand 650 students aged 15 to 18, found that 82% of these have interest in going to College after high school, but were worried about becoming professionals and not getting work or not being able to achieve their goals because of lack of resources and opportunities."

listin.com.do/la-republica/2012/6/28/237844/82-estudiantes-de-bachillerato-quiere-ir-a-la-universidad-pero-teme-no

Si el gobierno invierte en la educación y formación tecnica de los ciudadanos. Os quejais de la falta de oportunidades de empleo. Parece cierto que el punto aquí es quejarse.
Cuál ha sido vuestro aporte a la creación de empleos en la Dominicana?

Dis donc!...La plupart s'arrête à mi-trajet et se résigner bien à court du sommet...That’s the issue.

People say there are no jobs in DR, bs my uncle lost his job as an architect in Us, he was out of the job for 3 years he went back to Dr and got one right away. It's a small country with lots of potential !

"Si el gobierno invierte en la educación y formación tecnica de los ciudadanos."

Where does it say this was "investment" by the government?

"Written by: elanonimo, 28 Jun 2012 4:36 PM
From: Iceland, Haitians out of DR.
People say there are no jobs in DR, bs my uncle lost his job as an architect in Us, he was out of the job for 3 years he went back to Dr and got one right away. It's a small country with lots of potential !"


So you are saying we should all return to DR based on your uncle’s fortunate but possibly uniquely lucky experience?

PS

When are you returning from Iceland?

This is a purple-party plot to educate the masses!.. Blame must be placed squarely on Lie-onel and his cronies for this attempt at wasting peoples time,, training them at skills they will never use due to the lack of a ready-made job market.
I mean, no sane corporation will ever invest in the DR!..Right? So what's the use?....
I say, let young people learn how fend for themselves without government wasting good money on education!
.....Querian Morao,....Cojan Morao!!

That's the Ticket!

Here is a little information from someone who might have some expertise in the area:



"Manuel Diez Cabral calls for reinventing the country"


National Business Council president Manuel Diez Cabral used the American Chamber of Commerce luncheon as a forum yesterday, Wednesday 27 June to call for action to improve the Dominican Republic's competitiveness. His speech read like a blueprint for the actions the business sector would like President-elect Danilo Medina, who takes office on 16 August, to adopt in order to stimulate genuinely sustainable growth in the Dominican Republic.

continued:

He highlighted the fact that the rest of the world has been moving at a faster pace towards modernization than the Dominican Republic. Diez mentioned that the World Bank's 2012 Doing Business report shows the DR ranked 108th of 183 countries in business climate, with the DR being below the average for Latin America and the Caribbean that is 85. He made the point that in the region, we are only above Guyana, Suriname and Haiti. Moreover, in the 2012 World Economic Forum Global Competitiveness ranking, the DR fell 9 places from 2011, 15 places since 2010 and is now ranked 110th of 142 countries only above Belize, Venezuela, Paraguay, Haiti and Nicaragua.

He criticized that in recent years there has been a sustained trend towards an increase in the public deficit and debt. He said that in 2011, the fiscal debt stood at RD$56 billion, but for this year, the government plans a public deficit of RD$96 billion, or 4% of GDP, when originally 0.9% had been contemplated.

continued:

He criticized the way that it has become normal for the government to issue a supplementary budget that is funded by an increase in taxation at the mid-term point.

On the subject of employment, he expressed concern about the increasing number of informal jobs. He said that year 2000 Central Bank statistics showed that 47.2% of people worked in the formal sector, and 52.8% in the informal sector. But by 2011, informal jobs now represent 57.1% of employment. This occurred at the same time that the number of government jobs increased from 330,592 in 2000 to 653,595 in 2012.

Diez Cabral urged the government to listen to the business sector's call for a new business model. "The country has to leave behind the circumstances that have led to 90% of the national savings being used to purchase imported goods and services rather than using the resources for national investments."

continued:

He called for comprehensive tax reform that should be a priority for improving tax structure and eliminating excessive pressure, obstacles and distortions to production. The business leader said that tax reform and the labor regime must be redesigned to stimulate production, competitiveness and generation of wealth and new business, and a labor regime that stimulates new formal jobs and job stability. He said that the constant changes to tax laws have contributed to a climate of uncertainty for the economic sectors. He called for more vocational and technical training. "What good is it for our society to have 60,000 lawyers that the economy does not need, when we often have to import industrial technicians that the country is not training," he warned.

He backed the creation of effective institutional channels of communication between the public and private sector.

Diez called for the Central Bank to concentrate on its role as financial regulator and issuer.

continued:

He urged the government to take an active stance in the case of military officials who are in the business of cargo transportation saying that they are often the same people who are taking advantage of their rank promote and protect vandalism by unscrupulous groups. "If transport does not stop operating under extortionate conditions, we will not be able to reorganize the sector. Free competition in transport and free access to ports needs to become a reality."

"If we want to break the inertia, we must work hard to transform our culture of governance. Only if we build strong institutions to ensure compliance with the law and act with transparency will we have a real democracy and genuine rule of law. We must bury once and for all, the idea that prevails in our society that positions of power, public or private, are carte blanche to violate the law with impunity," he stressed.

amcham.org.do/pdf/Discurso_de_Manuel_Diez_ante_la_AMCHAMDR_27-6-2012).pdf

100% of Haitians want to live in the DR

More education is exactly! what this country's youth needs. Lack of education is what keeps this country wallowing around in it's own ignorance. The DR is 30 years behind developed nations in basic education. It's a start, keep it rolling.

i applaud this , with hands and feet. what took them so long is the question for the ages. next, a teachers´training college. then, we can be talking development. this is not GDP numbers, this is real human capital development. hip, hip, hooray!!!

Josean has been critising the fact that the education standards are bad and now there is a great new college he is saying that it is a waste of time students going there because there are no jobs....obviously never heard of better trained tradesmen

The only thing good for Josean is a Burro, he is more transparent than what he can take.
knowledge is power but ignorance is more a powerful tool (!)

Josean,hopefully you didn't step on dog sh&t before putting your foot in your mouth...

"he is saying that it is a waste of time students going there because there are no jobs"


Where did I say that other than in your distorted mind?


The Purple Clapping Seal Little Ricky doesn’t understand that you need high quality basic education K through 12 to feed the Colleges.

So again this is Cart before the horse.

Besides this appears to be a private project!

But of couse the PLD wants to take credit for the Sun coming out everyday as well!

Toshiba,

"On the subject of employment, he expressed concern about the increasing number of informal jobs. He said that year 2000 Central Bank statistics showed that 47.2% of people worked in the formal sector, and 52.8% in the informal sector. But by 2011, informal jobs now represent 57.1% of employment. This occurred at the same time that the number of government jobs increased from 330,592 in 2000 to 653,595 in 2012."

Where are the PURPLE produced PRIVATE sector jobs?

Yet Lie-onel Ferandez and the PLD Mafia nearly doubled the Purple Botellas i.e. do nothing jobs!


Where is Alpha66 to denouce the PURPLE Moochers?

This is a very good start. now lets hope it keeps going... Lets see more... please...

Maybe a traditional trades collage would be good too...

" Dental technician" yes "dental mechanics"???? No... I don't want to go to one of those thanks???

After reading some of these posts, it clearly shows a total lack of understanding of how community education works and why it has been vital for the US when compared to a traditional University education. Community colleges serves to cover the gaps public schools were unable to fill and offers a solid education for those truly motivated students who neither have the time nor the money to attend a standard four year college. It is the least expensive way to obtain a decent education in the shortest time possible to best prepare for both the Dominican and int'l job markets. If necessary, community colleges offer remedial courses in basic education prior to taking on a standard curriculum to increase chances for success. Once the student is considered prepared and ready to take on a full class load, he/she can proceed with career training that only a community college can offer. Nevertheless, a CC does not eliminate the option of a 4 year degree if the student later wishes

So a community college opens up (education by the way) and its a bad thing? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

And then the problem is education, but when things like these happen its a bad thing. WOW, how sad must some people's lives be to be so negative about some of the most positive things that can happen in our country. Pessimism is why some never grow but it is still mesmerizing how prevalent pessimism is among the so called "educated" ones.

Mcruz, right on brother!

This is good news; students with low income can get their degrees quickly and cheaply. It is one step further along down the road to descent education in our country. I wished something was done to improve our elementary schools and high schools; some are falling apart, especially in the small towns. One thing that I like is that the private sector is taking steps as well, there are many affordable private schools becoming available in the country, some by the church and others by private organizations. Nonetheless the government has a titanic task ahead if it wishes to improve our education.

"students with low incomes can get their degrees quickly and cheaply."

Yes it's called a "Community collage" but it's not saying how "cheap" or how placing are allocated and to whom.. As it is unknown if it has a % of publicly funding??, we must assume it's in it to make money, unlike the US community collage system or the TAFE system in Ozz, that are cheap and a good place to further educate when collage may not be an option.

"some are falling apart,"

The UNDERSTATEMENT of the Century!

Dear Rovane, I see a lot post on the local papers looking for qualify workers. Give the people an opportunity to learn something and then the jobs will come. The government doesn't create jobs the private sector does that is the way it works in moderm sociaty.

You guys complain about the government having too many botellas and now you are asking the government to create jobs. No first people get into technical school and get some sort of diploma and then they look for jobs. I moved back from the USA where I was working and making about 6000.00USD per month a single guy back in 2002, guess what I have not been without job since I got back from the USA. My fellows Dominicans need to learn that only in the F Colmadones and Liquour stores is where you expend your time. I used to work mond to Sat and go to universidad del caribe on Sunday to learn Real Estate business, and ones I got that diploma I went on my own and now I make 15 more than what I used to make.

That school should come with a job placement program if they are serious about it.

Congratulations DR. A positive step forward

Does anybody know why we are no long able to rate each other comments????

i guess because some guys would get together to gang up on people who expressed opinions they did not like, and get them erased.

That sucks, cause I kind like that.

This is why the young people are apprehensive about becoming professionals!


"Superintendent of Banks earns 100 times more than a teacher"


SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic

More than expression of wage distortions in the public sector, the difference between what the Superintendent of Banks and an elementary school, mid-school or high school teachers earns, is the perfect x-ray of the government’s appreciation for education: the superintendents sallry 100.2 times times that of those teachers. In Cash money alone, the bank official earns monthly 899,415.80 pesos; the teachers, 8,972.63 pesos.

If this same official salary is compared to the average salary of a doctor, estimated at 36,706.08 pesos, the first is multiplied by 24.5 times the second.

Read the rest at:

7dias.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=120233


Also you will see a chart of who is earning what in PURPLELANDIA goverment!

"he also said that there was a need to tackle the lack of EDUCATION and social inequality, which were the most important causes of deforestation."


Soo many things depend on EDUCATION!


"Poor state of Dominican rivers"

According to a professor of the School of Biology at the Autonomous University of Santo Domingo (UASD), Geraldino Caminero, the country's rivers are polluted, many have dried out and others have been diminished due to deforestation and the extraction of aggregates.

Speaking at a conference "The Destruction of Natural Resources Threatens Life on Earth", he also said that there was a need to tackle the lack of education and social inequality, which were the most important causes of deforestation.

He said that addressing environmental problems should be the first Millennium Development Goals and not the seventh, because people cannot live without water, agriculture or food, as reported in Hoy.

DR1

Ah, but the METRO is the Priority!


hoy.com.do/el-pais/2012/6/27/434469/Biologo-denuncia-rios-del-pais-estan-secos-y-contaminados

Another reason why the 12 years of PLD governance have been a MERTO WASTE!


“Due to lack of incentives, the brightest students not studying pedagogy”

"The Dean of the Faculty of Education Science of the UASD advocates for teachers to be compensated with a dignified salary, so that the best students motivated to study education."

SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic-The Dean of the Faculty of Education Sciences of the Autonomous University of Santo Domingo (UASD), Carmen Matias, expressed concern that the students with the highest academic achievement refuse to view teaching as an option because of the low economic remuneration received Dominican educators.

"There is a disappointment among the students with high merit to start studying science education and that is directly related to the salary paid, a teacher earns round 8 or 10 thousand pesos. But much is the rental of the teachers dwelling? And then, you have to dress, you have to eat" she said."


Read the rest at

acento.com.do/index.php/news/18600/56/Por-falta-de-incentivos-estudiantes-meritorios-no-estudian-pedagogia.html

guillermone:

You are absolutely correct on the above statement and I agree. Except this is not a COMMUNITY

COLLEGE as we know in the USA.This is a vocational/technical HS . In order to be a CC which

offers an associate 2YRS degree or pre UNIVERSITY.

You first have to come out of a 4 yrs HS.(BACHILLERATO DOMINICANO) NOT NYC HS GED.

Don't get me wrong every Province should have one if you opt not go to UNIVERSITY. I have been

after this for the longest time to get our citizens to face the labor market regardless,if they stay in

DR or decide to immigrate At least they will be ready for the labor market. Not all have the capacity

to go to University or go for the only carreers offered (MD,DENTISTRY,LAWYER,ENGINEERS).

They have to get ready if they are going to be competitive in the labor market specially as a tourist

country.IF THEY DECIDE TO STAY.

Thanks for the correction. The way the article was translated it seems as if it was talking about a post secondary career training. Now that you clarified that point, I sure hope that the curriculum offers a solid foundation in basic education as vital to anyone entering vocational studies.

guillermone;

i don't think dt is too familiar with the education back in the usa and by doing so under-estimate dr bachillerato which is by far above the (usa hs ged). i would say it is equivalent to a 4 yrs usa baguelorette degree. back under secretary of education balaguer in the 1950. don[t forget he copied it from the european system.i don't know if things have changed for the Worst. knowing them anything the gringos do is a perfect system therefore it has to be copied. i would call that lack of good teachers AND INFERIORITY COMPLEX.
my ambition was ,have evry province equiped with a vocational/technical school and i brought it up to my cousin franklin almeyda rancier then when he was incharged of the universidad autonoma of dr. uner balaguer his repply was it was too expensive and that the lays would desappear like the weapons factory did AND THE NATION WOULD GO BROKE THEN DO ONE EVERY YR

Regardless of the always negative comments from some DT posters, this development is a GOOD one for DR and the Nation.

Providing jobs is a function of the economy and NOT the educational institution!

Atabey :

It is the responsability and obligation of every gvt is to educate its people.Regardless if the jobs

are there or not. Once they are educated they will find the means of creating jobs themselves.

A good example is Chile that can make anything any industrial nation manufactures. Most of those

come out of Vocational/techinal school. The only diference between the two forementioned is

for a vocational trtade you don't need the Academics requirements namely 4yrs of math,4yrs of

science, 4yrs of language,4yrs of social studies,including geography,world history & local history.

Having all these above the pupil can enroll in any university out of those techinical

schools,because he or she has the requirements of DR Bachllerato plus parallel to it he/she has

learned a vocation if he decides university is not for him.Then you will see how many industry

rush to DR

dt

please change the title to the first vocational & technical high school

MrThelmoAlmeydaR-"I don't think DT is too familiar with the education back in the usa...."

On the contrary, I do think they are very familiar with the US educational system. The editor in chief Mr Pineda grew up in the US and speaks fluent English. The problem with DT is probably their lack of resources to pay for top quality help and are therefore unable to get adequate translators. Who ever is assigned to that job is probably paid cut rate fees, as clearly demonstrated by the poorly translated articles and that may also include the person who does the editing.

It may help these translators to attend this community college, and refine their English-language skills, eh?

It may also be the case that they are just writing from the press kit about this collage, it may be the collage calling it's self a "community collage" which is misleading...

Whatever the case ;

He should rectify his writings ,specially for us that are familiar with both systems and don't partcular care about making our DR system of educationinferior like the one in USA,that has proven to be a faillure at every step of the way ,specially in WDC and NYC. This prooves that money does not buy education if the teachers are not completely certified and don't have the vocation to be one.
Same applies to the students who are lazzy and don't apply themselves as the Dominicans back home.,Unless a calculator is presented to the kids back in the USA they are lost.Forget about
the metric system they don't know what that is or the decimal.
I ususlly make constructive critisism but this time is in favor of the DR educational system,hope
they have not changed it for an inferior one,by copying the Anglo-American system of education.

Much to our regret, believe it or not, during the Trujillo regime, when "La Escuela Normal" was established, the Dominican public education system was by far superior and on par to any advance country at the time, much better then today. He helped alphabetize most of what was a predominately illiterate population. The Dominican educational system produced high quality students and intellectuals with less. However, today we have comparatively more, but I neither understand nor sure what exactly happened.

This why we really need to Prioritize EDUCATION in DR especially the teaching of HISTORY!

Actually, Mr. G. the non-sectarian Normal School or Teachers College was founded by the Puerto Rican Eugenio Maria de Hostos also known as "El Ciudadano de América" (meaning: The Citizen of the Americas).

It was actually Trujillo who Destroyed the “Normal School” or Teachers College in his quest to seek his coronation by the Vatican as Benefactor of the Church via his signing of the Concordat which turned over the public’s education to the Catholic Church.

It has gone downhill ever since!

"Contributions to Latin America"

continued:

"While in Peru, Hostos helped to develop that country's educational system and spoke against the harsh treatment given to the Chinese who lived there. He stayed in Chile from 1870 to 1873. During his stay there, he taught at the University of Chile and gave a speech titled "The Scientific Education of Women." He proposed in his speech that governments permit women in their colleges. Soon after, Chile allowed women to enter its college educational system. On 29 September 1873, he went to Argentina, where he proposed a railroad system between Argentina and Chile. His proposal was accepted and the first locomotive was named after him."

continued:

Educator

In 1875, Hostos went to the Dominican Republic, where he founded, in Santo Domingo, the first Normal School (Teachers College) and introduced advanced teaching methods, although these had been openly opposed by the local Catholic Church; nonetheless, his response to these criticism was calm and constructive, as many of his writings reveal. In 1876, Hostos traveled to Venezuela and married Belinda Otilia de Ayala. Their maid of honor was renowned Puerto Rican poet Lola Rodríguez de Tió. He returned to the Dominican Republic in 1879 when the first Normal School was finally inaugurated. He was named director and he helped establish a second Normal School in the city of Santiago de los Caballeros.

continued:

Hostos returned to the U.S. in 1898 and actively participated in the Puerto Rican and Cuban independence movements; his hopes for Puerto Rico's independence, after the Spanish-American War turned into disappointment when the United States government rejected his proposals and instead converted the island into a United States territory.

Later years

In 1900, Hostos returned to the Dominican Republic, where he continued to play a major role in reorganizing the educational and railroad systems. He wrote many essays on social-science topics, such as: psychology, logic, literature, rights and is considered as one of the first systematic sociologists in Latin America. He was also known to be a supporter of women's rights.

continued:

On 11 August 1903, Hostos died in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, aged 64. He is buried in the National Pantheon located in the colonial district of that city. Per his final wishes, his remains are to stay permanentely in the Dominican Republic until the day Puerto Rico is completely independent. Then and only then, does he want to be reinterred in his native homeland.

Hostos wrote his own epitaph:

"I wish that they will say: In that island (Puerto Rico) a man was born who loved truth, desired justice, and worked for the good of men."

Honors and recognitions

In 1938, the 8th International Conference of America celebrated in Lima, Peru, posthumously paid tribute to Hostos and declared him "Citizen of the Americas and Teacher of the Youth". Puerto Rico declared his birthday an official holiday. There is a monument honoring Hostos in Spain.

continued:

• A municipality was named after him in the Dominican Republic in the Duarte Province.
In Puerto Rico there are two monuments dedicated to Hostos:

• One sculpture created by reowned sculptor Tomás Batista located into a small plaza at side of Highway #2 in the northern entrance of his native city of Mayagüez. (There is a local grassroots movement claiming relocalization of this statue to more central site.)

• Another one created by Jose Buscaglia Guillermety. Recently, located inside the University of Puerto Rico, Rio Piedras Campus in San Juan.

The Municipality of Mayagüez had inaugurated a cultural center and museum near his birthplace in Río Cañas Arriba ward. The city of Mayagüez also have named in his honor:

• A High School building inaugurated in 1954

• A Highway (now Avenue) in 1961

• Eugenio María de Hostos Airport, formerly El Maní Airport, in 1986.


continued:

In 1970, the City University of New York inaugurated Hostos Community College, located in the southern part of the Bronx. The school serves as a starting point for many students who wish to seek careers in such fields as dental hygiene, gerontology, and public administration.

In 1995, the Eugenio María de Hostos School of Law was established in Mayagüez, Puerto Rico. The Hostos Law School aspires to achieve the development of a legal professional that is also responsive to the needs of his or her communities and embraces Hostos educational philosophy. There is an intermediate school in Brooklyn, New York named for Hostos (I.S 318). There is a high school named for Hostos in Union City, New Jersey. There is an elementary school in Yonkers, New York, named for him, the Eugenio Maria de Hostos Microsociety School.

continued:

In 1938, the 8th International Conference of America celebrated in Lima, Peru, posthumously paid tribute to Hostos and declared him "Citizen of the Americas and Teacher of the Youth". Puerto Rico declared his birthday an official holiday. There is a monument honoring Hostos in Spain.

• A municipality was named after him in the Dominican Republic in the Duarte Province.
In Puerto Rico there are two monuments dedicated to Hostos:

• One sculpture created by reowned sculptor Tomás Batista located into a small plaza at side of Highway #2 in the northern entrance of his native city of Mayagüez. (There is a local grassroots movement claiming relocalization of this statue to more central site.)

• Another one created by Jose Buscaglia Guillermety. Recently, located inside the University of Puerto Rico, Rio Piedras Campus in San Juan.

continued:

The Municipality of Mayagüez had inaugurated a cultural center and museum near his birthplace in Río Cañas Arriba ward. The city of Mayagüez also have named in his honor:

• A High School building inaugurated in 1954

• A Highway (now Avenue) in 1961

• Eugenio María de Hostos Airport, formerly El Maní Airport, in 1986.

In 1970, the City University of New York inaugurated Hostos Community College, located in the southern part of the Bronx. The school serves as a starting point for many students who wish to seek careers in such fields as dental hygiene, gerontology, and public administration.

In 1995, the Eugenio María de Hostos School of Law was established in Mayagüez, Puerto Rico. The Hostos Law School aspires to achieve the development of a legal professional that is also responsive to the needs of his or her communities and embraces Hostos educational philosophy.

continued:

There is an intermediate school in Brooklyn, New York named for Hostos (I.S 318). There is a high school named for Hostos in Union City, New Jersey. There is an elementary school in Yonkers, New York, named for him, the Eugenio Maria de Hostos Microsociety School.

Written works

Among his written works are the following:

"La Peregrinación de Bayoán" (1863)

"Las doctrinas y los hombres" (1866)

"El día de América"

"Ayacucho" (1870)

"El cholo" (1870)

"La educación científica de la mujer" (1873)

"Lecciones de derecho constitucional. Santo Domingo: Cuna de América" (1887)

"Geografía evolutiva" (1895)

wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenio_Mar%C3%ADa_de_Hostos

Note From:

CHRONOLOGY of EUGENIO MARÍA DE HOSTOS



1900 – Arrives in Santo Domingo with his family and is named Inspector General de

Enseñanza

Pública.(Inspector General of Public Education)

Devotes himself entirely to teaching and to elaborating the laws for public

education in all aspects, and writes the programs for the teacher’s colleges.


hostos.cuny.edu/library/Hostos%20Page/Chronology/CHRONOLOGY_by_Diaz_eng.htm



hostos.cuny.edu/about/hostos.html

THANK YOU-Josean for an in-depth and quite elaborate historical exposition to explain the life and work of Eugenio Maria De Hostos.

Josean-"It was actually Trujillo who Destroyed the “Normal School” or Teachers College in his quest to seek his coronation by the Vatican as Benefactor of the Church via his signing of the Concordat which turned over the public’s education to the Catholic Church. It has gone downhill ever since!"

Blame it on the Church...........I am sure Roy Stone will be pleased to hear that.

Nevertheless, now that we have identified the cause, what are we doing about it ? I know it is a hypothetical question because the answer is obvious. However, the first step as you previously stated is to prioritize and address education first, which is exactly what we are not doing.

But, I do have a question, how exactly did the Catholic church ruin public education in the DR ? Catholic education in general is considered among the best in the DR and the world, how can this contradiction be true? How is it possible for a faith base organization to be so detrimental for Dominican education?

The primary reason is that it is NOT FREE and all though it may be good it is NOT UNIVERSALLY AVAILABLE TO ALL.

Universal Free Quality EDUCATION is paramount to the economic and democratic development of any country!

In fact in many urban areas in the US itself, the Catholic Church has been closing its parochial schools because in neighborhoods were the poor and the immigrants predominate they cannot afford to pay.

I will let Roy address the Sectarian Curriculum issues!

It’s not just josean that has taken Lie-onel the BSer and the Narco -PLD to the woodshed on the question of EDUCATION but now the European Union joins forces with crazy josean!


Well Welcome to Europe Lie-onel Fernandez!

"The European Union document leaves the Dominican Government looking badly"

"The most important thing is that the national budget for education is very low compared with the need (in terms of service delivery); "also, although it has increased in absolute terms, has not increased for many years (in terms of percentage of GDP)"

"SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic.-in a document on the Dominican economy, the European Union states that the Dominican Republic does not meet the goals it, does not coordinate the budget with the National Development Strategy approved by the National Congress, and does not comply with the law in terms of the allocation of funds for the educational sector.

In other words Lie-onel Fernandez is a BSer!

Continued:

Read the rest of this devastating report on the NARCO-Marco BS Miracle of Lie-onel Fernandez last 8 years at :

"Documento de la Unión Europea deja mal parado al gobierno dominicano"

"Lo más importante es que el presupuesto nacional para educación es muy bajo comparado con la necesidad (en términos de entrega de servicios); asimismo, aunque ha aumentado en términos absolutos, no ha aumentado durante muchos años (en términos de porcentaje del PIB)”

Note:

The full document is linked to the article!

acento.com.do/index.php/news/18680/56/Documento-de-la-Union-Europea-deja-mal-parado-al-gobierno-dominicano.html

Editorial

"Danilo and the Pact for education"

"Teaching, education, and the national priority"

"We do not have a strategy as a country that boosts education, place it in the foreground and that become it part of the strategy of development that the country has. They are words, papers, commitments and laws which abound and that nobody takes seriously into account."

Read the rest at:

acento.com.do/index.php/news/18612/56/Magisterio-educacion-y-la-prioridad-nacional.html

Josean:

Thanks for all the research ,so why not be a historian instead of a politician?. I am up on all that as far as Eugenio Maria de Hostos. But it takes a person with the dedication such as yours to elaborate.THANKS again JOSEAN.
I agree with all the above ecxept that Trujillo changing the system of education for the worst .
If he did anything was to improved it .Don't forget the minister of education was Balaguer .How did the Concordato make the public any worst?You stated "education was in the hands of the Church"
I was there then up to1952 I don't remember the Church interfering with the public education since The Church never taught for free.There is another point we have to clarify. Bachillerato is not
the same as Normalistas. Normalistas don't make it to University. It was an emergency program
developed by Hostos where you did not need the 4 yrs Bachillerato but 2.

Continue:

This Normalistas as the average DR uses it as a synonim for Bachilerato is wrong. So they say

Escuela Normal as Standard for superior learnings.

Normalistas were tranined to teach in the countryside of DR as well as in PERU, Colombia,Chile.

The requirements were 10 yrs of education + 2 OJT . They did not have to pass the REGENTS

exams (State approve) before University entry. But you were right it was similar to a Teacher's

College to stamp out illiteracy. Now days you need more than that to be a teacher in any

Bachillerato. At least 4 years in any" Universidad de Majisterio" I just hope DR did not go back in

its teaching skills. Providing they find teachers with the propper vocational skills it is worth the

investments on hiegher pay for those that complete the 4 yrs of "Universidad en Majisterio"

Mr. Rancier,

I would think that Trujillo benefited from the 30 plus years of the Teachers College that Hostos founded prior to the time he took power in 1930. As well as the reproduction of those efforts during his first 20 plus years (i.e. new teachers be produced under the Hostos model), until he gave up the states sovereignty over education to the Catholic Church when he signed the Concordat in 1954.

Of course the negative effects were not immediate but are certainly evident today, 58 years hence.

I still say the CONCORDATO had nothing to do with the education on a national levell.All it meant
was bringing the Church as the national parish of the nation.Before that there was separation of Church and State. I remember living in the countryside Altamira ,in June of every year for the final
testing starting in the 6th grade,again in the 8th grade,the test came from the Ministry of Education
in a seal envelope with red melted sealler. At the time of exam there were 5 teachers as witness
who had to sign the acknowledgement sheet tp be forwarded back to the Ministry.Start time and stop time was very much enforced. Those that failed 3 subjects had to repeat the grade,no make up in the summer time like hre. I was one among 23 that failed 2 passed but was lucky enough to be send for by my father back in the States Two things my father stressedt o us. No gangs arrest
or bad report cards!

I started in the 7th grade in NYC and let me tell you it was a waste of time with these retards.No

basic arithmetic, general science,world geography or world history. They used to send me to the

black board to solve some equation,decimals mixed numbers percentage,division etc. The kids

could not understand why me not knowing English could solve all these problems and they

couln't even understand them. I was not very much liked by them but i did not give a hoop.

The teacher used to tell them you don't hve to know English to

solve mathematical equation pointing out EInstein basic language was German and so forth.

I had the knowledge of an 8th grader to go to B'klyn tech,Bx HS of science or Steivesent,The draw

back was English. Immagine if a flunky like me could show these Gringos one thing or two? What

the rest that passed the grade with flying colors could show them?