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Santo Domingo.- Dominican Republic would become a developed country with a gross domestic product (GDP) per capita of more than US$12,300 as soon as 2025 years.

The figures are from Maurizio Bussolo, head of the World Bank Group’s Economic Development Centre, who said the jump would be possible if the country keeps pace with the growth of recent years.

Quoted by elcaribe.com.do, Bussolo said vibrant growth held stable for several years or decades are the essentials for a balanced development.

The World Bank official, who also worked on drafting the National Development Strategy (END in Spanish), said if Dominican Republic manages to implement all necessary plans to maintain the growth it has shown thus far, it would enter the base tier of the developed countries. "This can be done, what happens is that you need to have some patience."

Bussolo, accompanied by World Bank economist and Miguel Sanchez Martin and Public Information associate officer Alejandra de la Paz, said GDP per capita in developed countries starts at US$12,300.

The Dominican economy has grown at a rate of more than 3.5% in the last six years.

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Written by: Ricardolito, 8 Jun 2012 8:02 AM
From: Dominican Republic, calle A.Portes
yes ,,that may be true but if you look at the mean figures you would still find that more than 75% of the population would be below that figure ,,simply for the reasons that there is so much tax evasion and the opportunities to make the average per capita figure are limited by the corrupt system of appointments .This is made doubly true because the government is so much the largest employer.
As soon as merit replaces cronyism, then the mean figure may be at around 50% of the population ..
Written by: lennoxnev, 8 Jun 2012 8:22 AM
From: United Kingdom, part time DR
Quite realistic- if corruption and cronyism is eradicated and drug related criminal activity curbed.

DR has alot going for it but I fear change will be hard to come by.

After all nearly 50% of the population recently voted for a gauranteed steep path backwards last month.
Written by: DR_guy, 8 Jun 2012 8:29 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Let's be optimistic for once, even if it doesn't become fully developed in 13 years this is a positive for future generations. I myself have children that may or may not decide to live here when they are old enogh to make that decision. I surely hope things get better and through my eyes I do see slight improvements in infrastructure and quality of life. The amount of foreign investment here has grown thanks to this government (no one can deny that). I can't imagine developed countries throwing good money after bad.

Now the task at hand is to educate the ignorant and change the way of thinking.
Written by: josean, 8 Jun 2012 8:31 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"a balanced development."


An Alien Concept in NARCO-METORLANDIA!



Written by: ymarmolejos, 8 Jun 2012 8:48 AM
From: United States
"After all nearly 50% of the population recently voted for a gauranteed steep path backwards last month."

THis is why it might not happen... bc that 50% wont change, theyre all ignorant and dont really want change all they want is the government to give them a better life, but dont try themselves. All they do is wake up to liquor and hang out all day instead of looking for some type of job!
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jun 2012 9:08 AM
From: United States, NYC

"This can be done, what happens is that you need to have some patience."


As I've stated since joining DT some two years ago, DR is on the correct path, but important and crucial steps need to be implemented for her development and modernization to fully take hold and see through the first stage of becoming "a developed country with a gross domestic product (GDP) per capita of more than US$12,300 as soon as 2025 years."

The hardest steps are those that do away as humanely possible with the strong legacy issues inherited from the past: political cronyism, cynicism, tax evasion, low educational investments in K-12 grade education, corruption are among the hardest to bring under control. But with attention to correcting these legacy problems, some patience and good macro-economic and fiscal stability, DR can reach the first stage of First class development in the next decade. Will that be 2025 or 2029? I don't know, but if the ship is guided properly, DR will be far better
Written by: UnderCover, 8 Jun 2012 9:15 AM
From: United States, Dame LUZ..24/7 and everyone will progress!
Lets do real Math here... if a 6 year old child is not getting a real education (typical to other countries) at this moment, than in 13 years from now the child will be 19 years old, doing what? Now figure out how many 6 year olds are getting a real education, and how many are not and what are their chances 13 years from now. Thats the picture of DR that you will see in 2025.
Written by: pelaut, 8 Jun 2012 9:15 AM
From: United States
Consider the original source for the data from which Bussolo constructed his "Castle in Spain".
Consider the relationships the WB and the IMF have with the DR.
Written by: ohhhvictor, 8 Jun 2012 9:19 AM
From: United States

I certainly agree..

If you look at the economy of the rest of countries of the Caribbean and central america , we 're in a WAY better situation..

According to Wikipedia we have the biggest economy in the area...And even with a big recession worldwide, our economy , inflation and dominican pesos have been VERY steady.

I think that the economists of the World Bank is one of the most reliable source of information
So, for obvious reasons we can achieve that goal

So, to achieve this goal is a matter of patience.

THANKS PLD !


____________
2012-3000
Written by: TonyTunTun, 8 Jun 2012 9:31 AM
From: United States
Thanks to Leonel for allowing the DR to open its doors onto trade and growth and promoting investment in infrastructure even when considering the inherent obstacles such as location (being an island), earthquakes, hurricanes, persistent Haitian poverty, illiteracy, and corruption. These obstacles have long existed even before the PLD. I would not consider drugs an obstacle since it’s mainly a health issue for consumers. The US is slowly legalizing drugs which would eliminate some of the trafficking.
Written by: stillhere, 8 Jun 2012 9:41 AM
From: Dominican Republic
"So, to achieve this goal is a matter of patience."

Yeah...Come guys.. be patient it's only 168 year of independence... "Roma wasn't built in a day"
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 9:43 AM
From: United States
says victor


Written by: ohhhvictor, 8 Jun 2012 9:19 AM
From: United States

I certainly agree..

If you look at the economy of the rest of countries of the Caribbean and central america , we 're in a WAY better situation..

According to Wikipedia we have the biggest economy in the area...And even with a big recession worldwide, our economy , inflation and dominican pesos have been VERY steady.


in a better situation than the rest of the caribbean? way better position? better than Barbados? better than Trinidad? better than the Bahamas? better than Puerto Rico? WAY better than Jamaica?.you have the biggest economy, because you have the biggest country, next to Cuba. do not listen to Atabey. you guys need to attend some economics classes.
Written by: danny00, 8 Jun 2012 9:43 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
simply for the reasons that there is so much tax evasion
good comment and thoughts.
some years ago i started a small business in the pop area.
each month i went to pay my taxes {the building near casa nelson}
had some friends that had their own business's in town and when they saw me coming out of the tax office all of them said i was a "sucker" for paying any taxes at all.hey! they said only the government steals that money for their personal use and to make them selfs fatter in the wallet.
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 9:44 AM
From: United States
says victor

According to Wikipedia we have the biggest economy in the area...And even with a big recession worldwide, our economy , inflation and dominican pesos have been VERY steady.

according to Wikipedia? next, you will be telling me ¨according to youtube¨:
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jun 2012 9:48 AM
From: United States, NYC
Tony,

That's correct. Improving educational opportunities, especially in the K-12 grades, opening the DR to more investments by becoming more pro-business, getting the infrastructure needs of the country started and completed with a bias towards promotion of greater export opportunities and job creation, the PLD has demonstrated the far better party in delivering the goods.
Written by: danny00, 8 Jun 2012 9:51 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
economy of the rest of countries of the caribbean and central america

what countries? most cant cross the street by themselfs,
as for central and south amercia they are sinking fast.
iam saying dont base the drs future by what the other little islands are doing or what they can or might do.
greece is a dead very lttle country their debt is over one trillion dollars
spains banks are in hugh trouble and italy who their main business is olive oil
{they dont have much growth because their only assets are the olive oil business} cant sell only bananas and think the country is getting stronger.
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jun 2012 9:52 AM
From: United States, NYC

"WAY better than Jamaica?.you have the biggest economy, because you have the biggest country, next to Cuba. do not listen to Atabey."


Dready,

This news just confirms my position and argument against your biased opinion against the DR. Always seeing the glass half-empty has been your calling card regarding developments in DR, but now AGAIN confirmation that your position was and is very weak. Your Jamaica IS WAY BELOW DR in the TRENDING, Man. The facts speak for themselves. Calm down and have that TALL GLASS of Lemon Tea.
Written by: danny00, 8 Jun 2012 9:57 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
many say that china is going to become the worlds top economy passing the united as the leader.
if that was ever to happen it still could be much better to live in the states and do business over there then in china.
china has over 600 million peasants whcih they can never will be able to bring out of poverty. living conditions in the states still be be much better then in china.
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 9:58 AM
From: United States
says the mongoloid ape, Atabey

Dready,

This news just confirms my position and argument against your biased against the DR. always seeing the glass half-empty has been your calling card regarding developments in DR, but now AGAIN confirmation that your position was and is very weak. Your Jamaica IS WAY BELOW DR in the TRENDING, Man. The facts speak for themselves. Calm down and have that TALL GLASS of Lemon Tea.

what constitutes a bias? because i ask questions?. besides, i will not lower myself to get into an argument about economic development with a guy who gets information from 5 minute youtube spots. i left the forum behind, because it has become an intellectual wasteland and ghetto, caused entirely by yourself, and anthonyc. you cannot even do simple arithmetic, but are talking about TRENDING. a guy who looks at an econometric model and calls it calculus is going to give me a lesson in statistics. a guy who cannot do simple percantages. get lost, numbskull.
Written by: danny00, 8 Jun 2012 10:05 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
the us is slowly legalizing drugs which would eliminate some of the trafficking.
really! in which united states is this slowly legalizing going on?
u taking about the medical pot in ca.?
its never going to happen in the states.
better the dr gets some real education for the young then to wait for the states to do the legalizing of drugs.

or at least build some more metros {with tv's playing tom and jerry on all stops}
choo choo train all aboard. {thanks leo we needed the choo choo train}
Written by: ohhhvictor, 8 Jun 2012 10:11 AM
From: United States
No dreadlock.. According to the US state department..
Check that information.

According to them D.R, is a upper-middle income developing country
D.R. , with a GDP per capita of almost U$10,000 that is relatively high in latin america.
At the same timeD.R. have an exceptional grow of the economy of an anual 9.1 % of GDP.

The increase in the exportations , income receive throught tourism, remittances from dominican abroad over 3.2 billions, controleed inflation despite recession in US, greece Spain, Portugal etc put D.R. in a stand up situation in relation of other countries in the area.

The dominican goverment have invested heavily in macroeconomy and infrastructure,besides the finantial and political stability we have, that makes D.R. a very appealing for foreign investment.

Personally speaking I think that the Banco Central has done an excellent job getting our currency at a steady level.

We are certainly bless of having a visionary goverment like PLD

Written by: danny00, 8 Jun 2012 10:11 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
so all of u great thinkers who get high when some story comes out about the dr and its future.

let me ask some question please.

how can u have a real country without a real police force?
when and how are the young going to get a real education?
the dominicans that spend 1/2 their lives living in the dark when will they get 24/7 luz?
and for the people that say dont worry about the drug problem in the dr
u better worry now not later just take a look at mexico today and u dont have to look any more.{remember columbia} the bombs blowing up 1,000 of people?
Written by: danny00, 8 Jun 2012 10:15 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
guess most of u guys are correct every thing is going great in the dr keep up the good work.
why the hell in the world though are so many on the yolas going to puerto rico the boats leave every day.
u remember the song hop on the bus gus {boat in this case}
make a new plan stan.....

choo choo train.
all aboard.
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 10:15 AM
From: United States
per capita GDP for caribbean territories

Bahamas $23,175
Trinidad & T. $16,693
Antigua $16,284
Barbados $15,799
St Kitts and Nevis $12,687
Grenada $7,913
St Lucia $7,522
Dominica $6,833
St Vincent & G $6,447
Dom. Rep. $5,406
Jamaica $5,376

you were saying something about WAY BETTER, victor? 30 dollars per capita , per annum, is a wash to me.
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 8 Jun 2012 10:21 AM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
If they say: the D.R had a 8.5 quake, most of you would be laughing
but, for any good news out of DR you guys are complaining.
I understand, you guys are ignorant foreigners.
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jun 2012 10:21 AM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: ohhhvictor, 8 Jun 2012 10:11 AM
From: United States

No dreadlock.. According to the US state department..
Check that information.'


Victor,

Dready is just jealous that it's DR doing the heavy lifting in the Caribbean these days. He always looks for the "bad or quinta-pata del gato" DR can do almost NO right according to Dready.

The trends speak for themselves: DR has improved and needs to continue improving. BUT the important point is that IF she continues to grow her economy, and address those legacy problems I've mentioned above, DR will gain first stage status among the developed countries of the world. OJO! This is not to say that ALL Dominicans will be at the status! In order for most Dominicans to reach that status, strong and corrective actions need to be taken. But at least, DR is MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. Jamaica isn't.
Written by: danny00, 8 Jun 2012 10:25 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
push for education gets hemispheric award

oh my god.
other award.
i cant believe it.
iam moving back on sat to santo domingo iam no fool iam not going to miss out
the future is bright in the dr.
dont be a fool iam selling all my shares i have in home depot and disney world and going to invest all my money into the dominican stock market and live off the fat of the land.
and for sure iam going to ride the metro.
choo choo train
all aboard .
Written by: ohhhvictor, 8 Jun 2012 10:29 AM
From: United States

People, calm down..
According to the Banco Mundial developed countries have a GDPof U$12, 500, and that's how the economists measure it..
According to wikipedia and the US state department in 2007 D.R had an GDP per capital of U$9,207.
The dominican republic have an average growing rate of 3.5% anualy..


So, the question is , at this growing rate can we be there in 2025?

Hell yeah!

Again, if we keep the same healthy politics of the Banco central, increasing the exportations, foreign investment, increasing the income and keeping the job of infrastructure to make our country appealing for constant stability and investment..and those are factor that will strengh the dominican macroeconomics ( the strong part of leonel goverment..)


In other words, keeping PLD for the next million years!

:)




Written by: danny00, 8 Jun 2012 10:30 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
moving in the right direction

most be a joke today guess its friday joke day.
the drug haven the dr has become is the right direction?
education does not exist.
some many years waiting for the lights to go on.
so they make more new malls and hotels so what
it does very little for the advage joe in the dr. does it?
Written by: danny00, 8 Jun 2012 10:34 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
i understand, you guys are ignorant foreigners.

can they be just or more ignorant as dominicans.
i dont think so. india is the world leader in exporting bananas maybe the dr can beat them out in that game of bananas? for sure its not going to be in the tech field is it?

choo choo train
all aboard.
Written by: danny00, 8 Jun 2012 10:38 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
italy exports olive oil.
what else?
they have no growth they are going bust.
what is the dr going to export that the world really needs in the future?
get an education and then maybe in the next 20- 25 years the dr will then have a real chance to be a shining star in the caribbean.
Written by: Ricardolito, 8 Jun 2012 10:58 AM
From: Dominican Republic, calle A.Portes
some of you are missing the point ,,,it may be quite correct that the GDP per capita will be $12,300 ..that is a simple calculation of dividing the GDP by the population,
..it suggests that the people here in the DR produce about that amount equally and the GDP is shared equally .. but we all know that it is not the case here and to suggest that we will be a rich country across the population spectrum is simply fantasy ...The increased wealth, as measured by the GDP per capita will be gobbled up by a minority and the majority will stay poor.I am prepared to bet my house on that .
Written by: synapse, 8 Jun 2012 10:58 AM
From: United States

That is wishful thinking for a Banana Republic! I would add another century to that.

It will depend on if sons and daughters continue in Papitos scam of theft, monopoly, crime, racketeering, extortion and fraud to survive in a dog eat dog Mafia Narco State, or if they begin to say Ya Basta and stop killing their enemies, competitors and journalists and the courts stop being nice decorations with the law books on the wall.
Written by: elanonimo This user is banned, 8 Jun 2012 11:13 AM
From: Iceland, Haitians out of DR.
Great news this is what I needed to hear to make my morning!

Our country is in a good path, we just need to be consistent and get rid of many of the corruption. not to forget the Haitians as well which put a weight in both our society and development.
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jun 2012 11:14 AM
From: United States, NYC



"The increased wealth, as measured by the GDP per capita will be gobbled up by a minority and the majority will stay poor." (Rich)

Perhaps so, but as Chile has demonstrated even with high Gini Coefficient against it, the many HAVE progressed toward a higher and richer status of living. Is it where these majorities want to continue living? NO. And they are fighting for a better distribution of the gains in society. Better educational opportunities with Public sector investments. But the salient point is that this battle for greater resources and opportunities is taking place in a growing economy! And that's an extremely important point: you can do much more with a growing pie than with a stagnant or decreasing pie.
Written by: ohhhvictor, 8 Jun 2012 11:30 AM
From: United States


sypnase=JosiAno


Stop this gloom and doom prespective...!

Why dont you get excited when you see good news that great economists worldwide are saying about D.R. ?

Why are you keeping such pesimist POV?


The truth is that D.R. is improving and the future is WAY brighter through PLD administration..

We are moving in the right direction, and the skeptical POV of some anti dominicans here, really is geting on my nerves..

We should celebrate the great news of Banco Mundial..

Like Arystoteles say:
"We dont need a perfect goverment , but a practical one.."


So , because of the excellent job achieve by PLD administration, the financial and political stability and the great macroeconomic work ..they are almost perfect...




Written by: danny00, 8 Jun 2012 11:32 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
OK! U WIN MY SELF AND MY FAMILY ARE NOW GOING BACK TO THE DR.
BUT I WILL WAIT UNTIL 2O25 FOR THIS MOVE JUST IN CASE.....

BY MR RICKY.

..it suggests that the people here in the DR produce about that amount equally and the GDP is shared equally .. but we all know that it is not the case here and to suggest that we will be a rich country across the population spectrum is simply fantasy ...The increased wealth, as measured by the GDP per NOW THEIR IS THE BEST THOUGHTS TODAY ON THE MATTER.
DONT THINK THE RICO DOMINICANS ARE GOING TO SHARE ANY THING WITH THE POOR OR MIDDLE CLASS.
THANK U MR RICKY. FOR THIS VERY INTELLIGENT COMMENT.
Written by: hellborn25, 8 Jun 2012 11:37 AM
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
Its gonna take a whole alot of work for the dominican republic to be a developed country , first thing first solve the energy problem, second do something to curve the rampat corruption , and third approve the 4 percent gdp for education .
Written by: ohhhvictor, 8 Jun 2012 11:46 AM
From: United States

@Danny:

If you compare dominicans with people from for example salvador, nicaragua, guatemala etc and a lot of islands in the caribbean , you would realize that those numbers are not fictisious at all..

These are numbers provided by Banco central, world bank and US State department.
And those people dont play with the numbers..

If you REALLY think you are more intelligent that those economists, maybe you should seek a position as President of World bank or something like that.. Genious

By the way, you Really match the anti dominican POV of Joseano..
Written by: danny00, 8 Jun 2012 11:48 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
Written by: lennoxnev, 8 Jun 2012 8:22 AM
From: United Kingdom, part time DR
Quite realistic- if corruption and cronyism is eradicated and drug related criminal activity curbed.

DR has alot going for it but I fear change will be hard to come by.

After all nearly 50% of the population recently voted for a gauranteed steep path backwards last month.

NOT MUCH ELSE TO VOTE FOR IS THEIR?
EVEN HIPPOS $500 PESOS GIVE AWAY DID NOT HELP THIS TIME.
BUT STILL GOOD COMMENT BY U.
BY THE WAY WHERE U IN A BOAT FOR THE QUEENS PARTY THE OTHER DAY...LOL
Written by: MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier, 8 Jun 2012 12:08 PM
From: United States, NJ
Guys:
You all have a point,but i think DannyOO and dreadlocks are more to reality.
Dread I like your figures It is telling more what the truth is.
DannyOO; Latin America was not affected by the world plung. On the contrary it shows a growth/

A lot has to be taken into acct First remitance of 3.2 billions should not be part of equation
Secondly the Dr GDp per caita has been calculated among the working force only
There is a 50% unemployment nation wide just waiting for the monthly welfare check (remitances)
pies and charts could be manipulated any way a person desires.Lets take out from the gross the
national debts and the remitances since that is not part of the national growth.
Some one mentioned about the Europeans countries as comparisson to DR. Spain has 25% of
its working force unemployed as compared to ours 50% and they are manufacturing countries
and export .





Written by: ohhhvictor, 8 Jun 2012 12:30 PM
From: United States

@thelmoAmeyda= Josean


Another desinformation campaign?

So, are you saying that 3.2 US billions anually shouldnt be taking into consideration in D.R . economy and shouldnt be part of the equation?
Are you nuts?

U$3,200,000,000.00 ? ARE YOU SURE?

Over 50 % of unemployment Jose ano? What the hell are you smoking? Them, we are WAY worst than Haiti and we should imigrate there, because they have less unemployment than us...

Acording to FMI we are 14 %.. source :indexmundi.com/dominican_republic/unemployment_rate.html


I still dont get WHY are you manipulating the news with such nonsense in your mythomaniac world..

Only gloom and doom in your uthopical world...Speculation , gloom amd doom!
Written by: MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier, 8 Jun 2012 12:32 PM
From: United States, NJ
cont.

Italy does not live of its olive oil only as well as Spain, Greece,ireland,Potugal. We are an Island that depends on import.We import more than we export which places us in an unfavorable scale.
By the time the year 2025 comes if the calculations are made without any variables.We should
have 16 millions Dominicans in the Island and a debt of 40% of the national income,remind you
population doubles every generation and the land remains corroded if no attention is placed to it.

The worst thing they could have done is the signing that agreement with DR/CAFTA, by so killing
our small bussiness as well as the agricultural sector by competing with countries that produce
goods for 1/2 the price.

Education is not all there is to prosperity when you have lots of unskill laborers as compare to
Jamaica where the blue collar are placed at the middle income spectrum.
We have in Fl engineers and post grad driving cabs as well as in Europe.
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jun 2012 12:39 PM
From: United States, NYC
CIA World Factbook (2011)

Rank-----Nation----------------$US------YR
93 Dominican Republic 9,300--- 2011 est.

94 --- Jamaica ----------- 9,000 --- 2011 est.

World Bank (2010)

Rank--Nation------------------in $US----YR
86 --- Dominican Republic- 9,350 -- 2010

94 -- Jamaica ----------------- 7,673 ---- 2010


International Monetary Fund (2011)

87--- Dominican Republic --- 9,287 -- 2011
88 --- Jamaica ----------------- 9,029 --- 2011


Let's keep it REAL Dready!

Next time put your sources and DATES!!!!
Written by: MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier, 8 Jun 2012 1:04 PM
From: United States, NJ
To me and any one in the USA( section 8 and welfare) are non-productive sector of the population

Therefore the 2.5 billions send to DR by their compatriots is nontaxable threre ,only in form of gifts

so the people could spend their time playing cards and domino.

As to the national debts it has increased exponentionally where almost 50% of its income are

borrowed in order to build any infrastucture. Guess what (se acabo la lechita) the IMF as well as

the W/B are not lending any more money to DR because they have max-out their borrowing cap.

If you were thinking of building more METROS at their expense you are so wrong ,It has come to a

stop





Written by: Atabey, 8 Jun 2012 2:30 PM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier,

OJO! Be careful with Dready's numbers. He neither gave his source nor provided a date for the information.

My three sources give DR an advantage over Jamaica of:

US$ 300 (CIA, 2011)

US$ 1, 677 ( WORLD BANK, 2011)

US$ 258 ( IMF, 2011)


Or an average of US$ 745 more than Jamaica.



Written by: JosyHiedeVivo, 8 Jun 2012 3:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I saw some videos of jamaica.. and that looks like haiti 100 %, so personally I dont think that NOBODY should compare a country left behind in 19th century with a country with exceptional rate of economy growing..

In my humble opinion, the hight rate of unemployment due to the high % of people using drug among the general population is the biggest weaknest that wont allow Jamaica to get out of poverty, not to mention that Jamaica is one of the countries with a higher homicide rate worldwide according to Wikipedia..

So, please, dont you dare to insult D.R. when you compare to an Africa look alike style of living..
Written by: lcabrera, 8 Jun 2012 3:04 PM
From: United States
This must be a fu$%ing joke, with 4% for education and a mediocre health system, not to mention the most crooked government we ever had. Ha right!
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 8 Jun 2012 3:27 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Great topic and very informative postings by many. I learned the other day that GDP means little when most don't have food to eat.
What matters most in a nation's real growth, is the number of dollars in the pockets of the poorest. This can be accomplished by exporting products and attracting businesses.

But no business will relocate here, and no exportation can take place unless four basic ingredients are added to this goal

One: sufficient energy generation must take place. The govt must invest heavily in solving the electricity dearth by better maintenance and retrofitting of our dams to become much more efficient and increase output. Also, invite foreign companies to build more wind turbines. A few more megawatts produced, will take us over that threshold.

Two: Continue to build infrastructure to facilitate transport and export. We need more/better seaport. Build railroads from producing areas to ports.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 8 Jun 2012 3:28 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Three: We must make it easy to do business in DR. One of the biggest obstacles in investing, is govt red tape and corruption/bribes

Four: Last but not least, adult training in basic skills is absolutely necessary; without it, nothing grows.
Written by: LaCacata, 8 Jun 2012 3:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..


I think that some viewers want to see a pesimist POV of dominican situation.The fact that we, as dominican are changing our attitude to the future is VERY positive.

These number are accurate , and if we have a U$9,350.- in GDP per capita that Atabey mention, something relatively high in latin america paterns, with a regular grow of 3.5%, the amount of $12,500 it's perfectly achievly by 2025 if dominicans continue to have an steady macroeconomy, and a good fiscal politic to handle the actual peso currency and the same inflation level..

Good job by the Central Bank by the way..
Written by: tomito, 8 Jun 2012 3:49 PM
From: United States
Some people here are confusing GDP per capita (Nominal) with GDP per capita (PPP) Power Purchasing Parity).

"Purchasing power parity (PPP) asks how much money would be needed to purchase the same goods and services in two countries, and uses that to calculate an implicit foreign exchange rate. Using that PPP rate, an amount of money thus has the same purchasing power in different countries. Among other uses, PPP rates facilitate international comparisons of income".

GDP per capita (PPP) in the DR is now close to 10,000 US dollars a year. Now income distribution is another animal but not exclusive to the DR.
Written by: MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier, 8 Jun 2012 4:30 PM
From: United States, NJ
RonEvans:

You have said it all w/o comparing one Island to the next or belittling our neighbors as Josey

Hiede Vivo has above. Don't forget the population of Hispaniola to that of Jamaica is three fold,

I said the ISLAND because we have to absorve Haiti immigation to DR as population of working

class. Ron all those negative factors were mentioned before by many of us.#1- No railroads &

facilities to bring the product to megaports in form of containners there would be no progress. #2-

The main factor here is electric power regardless where it comes from.#3- If we are to remain a

tourist atraction the Gvt should patronice such education gear towards tourism, This way no

import of personnel by Spaniards who are the main Hotel investors in order to fill the gap of 80%

local and 20% import of personnel qualified as the DR constitution demands.
Written by: MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier, 8 Jun 2012 5:01 PM
From: United States, NJ
LaCacata,tornito:

If what you say is true then DR has 8 million +1.5 Haitians gives us 91/2 millions of which lets

say 50% are in the working force,leaves us with 4.75 millions x 9,350=$44421 thousand million

or as you would call it US$44.5 billions. Is this DR national budget/annum ?
Written by: beammer158, 8 Jun 2012 5:03 PM
From: Canada
in 2025 but he forget to say the date and the date is the 31th of February 2025 lol.
Written by: MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier, 8 Jun 2012 5:25 PM
From: United States, NJ
Tornito:

Are you refering to the inflationary purchasing power in diferent countries like Argentina 4 pesos to

a dollar yet it cost as much to keep themselves form the poverty line,since the gvt wants to retain

all the dollars in order to do international purchase. (GDP)gross domestic product would never

be US$44.5 billions since they don't export grate quantities of agriculture goods been an agro nat.

Now as manufacture goods they export very little to Europe or USA.

Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 8 Jun 2012 5:29 PM
From: Haiti
elanonimo 1 AND DOMINICANS IDIOTS
I see you are a real dominican, a ignorant person of course.
You forget without the Haitians, your country will become poorer than HAITI. You forget Haiti is the second country which buy your f*cking goods? Haiti give you 800 000 000 dollars usd by year.
You forget a lot of people who work in the tourism in DR are HAITIANS? All food the tourist eat are not from DR, is the food of HAITIANS. But we have a great new government will take measures so that we can discourage buyers Haitians as you did on your side for HAITIAN products. Soon the products of DOMINICANS Will boycott in HAITI, because the DOMINICANS COWARDS HATE HATIANS. AND YOUR NEW PRESIDENT COME JUST TO DO SOME MEASURES THAT YOU WILL PAID SOON. If the DOMINICANS DON't respect their customer who are HAITIANS, the other country like VENEZUELA and CUBA will have the market of HAITI. BECAUSE THE DOMINICANS ARE TOO IDIOT AND ARROGANTS. IS FOR THAT SOON YOU WILL LOST YOUR EXPORTATIONS
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 8 Jun 2012 5:38 PM
From: Haiti
ELANONIMO
YOUR NEW PRESIDENT HAVE AFRAID. He wants now a free trade with HAITI. But ALL THE HAITIANS ARE TIRED OF YOUR ATTITUDE. HERE A LOT OF PERSONS BEGAN BOYCOTT YOUR PRODUCT. THE DOMINICANS THINKS THE ARE MOST INTELLIGENT THAN THE HAITIANS BUT IS WRONG. YOU ARE LESS INTELLIGENT BECAUSE YOU WANT WIN THE MARKET AND YOU ABUSE THE HAITIANS WHO LIVE IN DR. YOU THINK YOU ALWAYS HAVE THIS MARKET? 30% OF THE EXPORTS OF DR COME IN HAITI. BUT the attitude of your new government annoys the Haitian people. An i don't think you will become a great country. Because you have a little spirit. HAITIAN PEOPLE IS A GREAT PEOPLE, the only things the HAITIANS HAVE LOST SINCE A LONG TIME WAS A GOVERNMENT WHO WORK FOR US. But now a lot of thing have happen now in haiti. THE GOVERNMENT OF DR DONT WANT THAT BECAUSE THE PROBLEMS OF HAITI IS THEIR wealth. YOUR TOURISM WILL GOING DOWN.
Written by: Chompiras, 8 Jun 2012 5:41 PM
From: Zimbabwe, La Bemba Colora
I think 2025 might be too soon. 2030-35 seems more reasonable.
Written by: RoyStone, 8 Jun 2012 5:51 PM
From: Australia
Hey guys,
The nice man at the bank says some nice things about the country so we can feel good about the economy and borrow more. Then you have to spoil it by stating the facts. Dready, your are not the only one, but perhaps the worst. Cut it out - you're spoiling my drink!
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 8 Jun 2012 6:04 PM
From: Haiti
thelmo and eleanonimo
Don't forget we absorb here 450 000 dominicans. A lot of Dominicans come more and more in HAITI. The DOMINICANS ARE NOT humiliated here unlike the HAITIANS IN DR.
A lot of FRENCH tell the dominicans steals your materials in the site, the are lazy. THE FOREIGNER PREFER WORK WITH THE HAITIANS BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE BOSS OF THE DOMINICANS THE HAITIANS WORK BETTER AND MORE. THE HAITIANS ARE MORE PROFESSIONAL AND NICE PEOPLE. IT's for that the Dominicans are jealous. It's for that you will never become a real country!
Written by: tomito, 8 Jun 2012 6:13 PM
From: United States
Mr Thelmo Almeyda Rancier:

"If what you say is true then DR has 8 million +1.5 Haitians gives us 91/2 millions of which lets

say 50% are in the working force,leaves us with 4.75 millions x 9,350=$44421 thousand million

or as you would call it US$44.5 billions. Is this DR national budget/annum ?"

It looks like you are very confused and do not understand how GDP per capita, both nominal an PPP are calculated, and BTW it has little to do with a country's national budget. Do a little research then come back with your analisys. Also "per capita" includes everybody, not just the working force.

Written by: MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier, 8 Jun 2012 6:15 PM
From: United States, NJ
beammer 158:

That was a good one since February never brings 31 days, then the answer is never !
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 6:23 PM
From: United States
says Atabey


Dready is just jealous that it's DR doing the heavy lifting in the Caribbean these days. He always looks for the "bad or quinta-pata del gato" DR can do almost NO right according to Dready

jealous of what? jealous of whon?. who are you? what are you? what have you ever achieved? do you know anybody important, who has left a mark on this planet? does anyone know you? you are just a simple minded asswipe, who believes that evryone is jealous of the Dominican Republic, because it is the superpower of the caribbean. get a grip. as much as you like to be delusional. Jamaica still ranks ABOVE you on the Human Development Index. you might be closing the gap, but that does not mean you are ahead. a lot of athletes close gaps on the front runner, but the only thing that matters is who is at the front at the finish. as of today, Jamaica is ahead, so put that in your pipe, and smoke it. as to victor...i will not waste time replying to him.
Written by: MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier, 8 Jun 2012 6:24 PM
From: United States, NJ
tornito:
Aare you also including the Haitians in DR even so the (GDP) still don't come up to US$22 billions
Written by: MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier, 8 Jun 2012 6:33 PM
From: United States, NJ
kiskeyaman:

i can not argue with you there. you do have a point !
Written by: LaCacata, 8 Jun 2012 6:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
@Dreadlock

Human developed index?
My Gosh, so far, the videos and photos that I see of jamaica looks worst that Haiti itself..
Pure guettos with no streets or sidewalk..

Not to mention that Jamaica have a HUGE decline in exportations, a BIG trade deficit ,a big problem with gangs and drugs in the roots of everybody in jamaican society, an outstanding corruption and it's called one of the most danderous places in the whole world according to Wikipedia....

A comparation of Jamaica & D.R. is more than insulting..International news show that you are moving backward, and the headline here is that we 're looking for some bright future

Not to mention the mental and political subordination to Queen Elizabeth II, a person that dont want to know ANYTHING about jamaicans...

Isnt that pitiful?
Written by: Vivacuba, 8 Jun 2012 7:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic
United States of America would become a developed country with a gross domestic product (GDP) per capita of more than DOP 30,300 as soon as 2125 years.
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 7:24 PM
From: United States
La Cacata, i see that you have decided to add your voice to the army of semi literates who seem to be drawn here , like a magnet. if you can actually read, go look at a little thing called the Human Development Index. it is going to be hard for you to understand it, because it is evident that you have the mentality of a seven year old retard. Jamaica is ahead of the DR, in just about every category of Human measurement. besides, with idiots like you , who use words like comparation, you will never catch up. what have you done, that you can say makes you the best in the world, at anything? videos, and photos? wikipedia? which rock did you crawl out from under? drugs? i guess the 5000 guys deported from the USA, back to the DR last year were sent home for singing too loudly in church? i guess the people who constitute 25% of the inmantes in the NYC prison system are there because they give too much to the poor? i guess guys like Quirino is in the USA to host a party for OBAMA.
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 7:31 PM
From: United States
says the new jackass of the site, Caca

Not to mention the mental and political subordination to Queen Elizabeth II, a person that dont want to know ANYTHING about jamaicans..

subordination to the Queen? did we send troops to IRAQ, like you had to, because George Bush paid off your President with a few pieces of silver? at least we had the manhood, and independence, to tell the USA and England to take a walk. look, Caca, the DR is a country with a lot of potential, but do not get carried away with yourself. you still rank last in the latest round of scholastic achievement testing. you stll have a population that boasts 42% below the poverty line. go read some reports, and some data, before you come here making a fool of yourself. wait till Danilo adds some money to the education budget, and go enrol in remedial education.
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 7:34 PM
From: United States
Caca, i cannot believe that you said this

an outstanding corruption

outstanding corruption? can that be coming from a citizen of the Land Of Baninter? corruption? are you serious? every week a new report comes out about some thievery among your public officials. shall i start posting articles, two per day?
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 7:39 PM
From: United States
i will not try to explain economics to the likes of Caca, but just wait till these asset bubbles really burst

In 2 years foreign property buyers lost over US$ 1 billion in Punta Cana alone
Foreign property buyers of vacation homes in the Punta Cana area lost more than US$ 1 billion on unfinished developments like Cap Cana, Punta Perla and Roco Ki among others in the last couple years. This is only the top of the iceberg in the Dominican Republic were a corrupt justice system and useless title guarantee companies has left foreign buyers without money and property all over the country

you were saying something about corruption, Caca?
Written by: LaCacata, 8 Jun 2012 7:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
@Dreadlock:

So now Jamaica is ahead of D.R.in every aspect ..Like what?

exportations? Economic deterioration continued from the mid-1980s due to the closing plants of Alpart and Alcoa.
GDP? atabey already talk about it?
Tourism? Only 1.3 millions a year? Give me a break..
Stability? Uffff..
National security ? a video shows more than a thousand words: youtube.com/watch?v=IauG5vujq5A&feature=relmfu

Capotillo looks like a piece of heaven in front of Jamaica, what U.N. called one of the most violent places on earth..

The reason that we have more deportations is basically because we have 5 TIMES more people than you..
25 % of inmate in NYC are dominicans? where are those numbers? Speculating like Joseano?

Jamaica continued to lag economically speaking ( check on Wikipedia), not to mention the problem of inflation reaching it's higuest poit of 80% in 1992 and the lack of new investment.

So answering your anti dominican comments,Jamaica is ahead in what exactly?
Written by: RoyStone, 8 Jun 2012 7:54 PM
From: Australia
LaCacata,
Before displaying your ignorance by going on about "the mental and political subordination to Queen Elizabeth II" can I suggest you read up on the role of the monarch in democracies of the British Commonwealth? QE2 does not exercise any power over the British government or the British people, let alone the governments or peoples of British Commonwealth countries like Australia, which has had stable, effective democracy for its entire history, unlike the Dominican Republic that never has.
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 7:57 PM
From: United States
Caca, what is this

Haiti has the highest rate of undernutrition, with 46 percent of its population going hungry. It is followed by the Dominican Republic with 29 percent, and Nicaragua with 27 percent. In South America, Bolivia heads the list with 23 percent of its people undernourished.
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 8:06 PM
From: United States
says Caca

GDP? atabey already talk about it?

that alone says it all. Atabey knows nothing, so if you are looking to him for advice, then you are wasting time. as to your numbers about tourism...2 million. that is for a country of 2.7 million.now, sit tight , and learn some elementary arithmetic. that means there is almost one tourist per person in Jamaica. you have 9 million people, and get 4 million tourists. that is one tourist for every 2.25 people. get the math? besides, it is not the number that counts,but how much they spend, and how much money stays in the economy. ever heard of LEAKAGE? i bet you have not. anyway, i have no time to educate you. go to school, learn some arithmeyic, then return. you have 42% of your population living below the poverty line.Jamaica has 19.get the point? you have the second worst malnutrition figures in Latin America, after Haiti. get real.
Written by: VeronicaDR, 8 Jun 2012 8:07 PM
From: United States
Not likely until corruption is brought under control.
Written by: LaCacata, 8 Jun 2012 8:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..

@Roy Stone
democracy?

Excuse me!
A queen is part of an archaic and obsolet medieval system of goverment..called monarchy that still in use for some countries to justify the imperialism that took root mostly by the british in the 19 century.

A lot of people in North , latin america and D.R. died to have some freedom and a REAL democracy.. Not to be dependant of a third country. That's what we call independance and sovereignty.

And maybe it doesnt means anything to you, but people like Duarte , sanchez y Mella in D. R., Bolivar in latinamerica and Lilncon in north America, put their life in danger so many times so we don't have a clown Queen as the head of our state and we can decide our own destiny.

So if you want to know what is democracy, you should be here this may 20th in D.R. and see how dominicans choose our own destiny.

And that is called democracy
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 8:13 PM
From: United States
Caca informs


The reason that we have more deportations is basically because we have 5 TIMES more people than you..
25 % of inmate in NYC are dominicans? where are those numbers? Speculating like Joseano?


no, fool.the only number that matters is the amount in the USA. the guys here cannot get deported. so, Jamaica has 900,000 people in the USA, and the DR has approximaely 1 million. very similar numbers. 1280 Jamaicans were deported last year, and 5000 Dominicans. 4 times the rate. get your dog to help you with the short division,since it is obvious that school is not a part of your curriculum vitae.
Written by: RoyStone, 8 Jun 2012 8:18 PM
From: Australia
Dready,
Undernourished yet very high rates of overweight and obese people. What does that tell you?
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 8:19 PM
From: United States
Caca informs

o we don't have a clown Queen as the head of our state and we can decide our own destiny.

until people like George Bush come and give you your marching orders. Jamaica is the only nation in the Caribbean that ever expelled a United States Ambassador for interfering with its internal sovereign affairs. so, do not give any lectures about independence. life is more than symbols. Trujillo declared war on Germany, and never threw a rock, while the British West India Regiment was fighting the war in Europe. does dim wittedness run in your family, or are you the lone idiot?
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 8:23 PM
From: United States
more laughs from Caca

Excuse me!
A queen is part of an archaic and obsolet medieval system of goverment..called monarchy that still in use for some countries to justify the imperialism that took root mostly by the british in the 19 century.

the 19th century? do they have schools in your village?did you attend one?do they teach history there? 19th century? make that the 16th century. big difference. then again, it is likely you do not know the difference between 16 and 19.
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 8:25 PM
From: United States
assures Caca

So if you want to know what is democracy, you should be here this may 20th in D.R. and see how dominicans choose our own destiny.

yes, we all saw it. 500 pesos per vote. now that is democracy.
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jun 2012 8:33 PM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 8:13 PM

The reason that we have more deportations is basically because we have 5 TIMES more people than you..
25 % of inmate in NYC are Dominicans? where are those numbers? Speculating like Joseano?


"no, fool.the only number that matters is the amount in the USA. the guys here cannot get deported. so, Jamaica has 900,000 people in the USA, and the DR has approximaely 1 million. very similar numbers. 1280 Jamaicans were deported last year, and 5000 Dominicans. 4 times the rate. get your dog to help you with the short division,since it is obvious that school is not a part of your curriculum vitae."


Wrong! Dready El MAMAO , As always, trying to excuse his own nation for the sins of their children in the USA. The 1280 Jamaicans deported-if your numbers ARE CORRECT? A BIG IF GIVEN YOUR TENDENCIES TO MINIMIZE NEGATIVITY WHEN JAMAICA IS CONCERN-must be based on the population of the island. THESE ARE CITIZENS OF JAMAICA, Man
Written by: LaCacata, 8 Jun 2012 8:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
@dready

Numbers?Source of 25 % of NYC inmate ?

So the numbers that Atabey toll you of World Bank and United Nation means nothing?

My Gosh, in that circunstances maybe somebody should designate you the head of U.N. because you got the REAL numbers!

How come that child labor , financial meltdown and according to, a World Bank (WB) study suggested that inclusion of the informal sector would raise Jamaica’s GDP statistics by as much as 40%.?
Let me repeat this , of the employed people 40 % are hustling..

The big improvement in Jamaica acording to U.S state department is "Caribbean's largest producer and exporter of marijuana."

source : state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2032.htm#econ

Acording to the US state department jamaica have a GPD of $8,300 (way lower than D.R.) and a MINUS grow rate in 2009 of -3% of GDP

Now , for the first time, the PNP jamaican party is considering to detach from monarchy and become a republic, like D.R. in 1844..


So, that makes you pro
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 8:37 PM
From: United States
says Atabey

rong! As always trying to excuse his own nation for the sins of their children in the USA. The 1280 Jamaicans deported-if your numbers ARE CORRECT? A BIG IF GIVEN YOUR TENDENCIES TO MINIMIZE NEGATIVITY WHEN JAMAICA IS CONCERN-must be based on the population of the island. THESE ARE CITIZENS OF JAMAICA, M


Atabey, do not make an even bigger fool of yourself by arguing this with me. i do believe that i spent more time in mathematics, and statistics classes than you did. you might be a sabelotodo, but you can barely count to ten, so stay off this track. the populations of the areas of deportation are the only populations that can be considered, since the people back in the homeland are not exposed to reasons for deportation. go ask someone who actually understands this. we already know how ignorant you are. do not make matters worse.
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jun 2012 8:39 PM
From: United States, NYC
CIA World Factbook (2011) GDP per capita

Rank-----Nation----------------$US------YR
93 Dominican Republic 9,300--- 2011 est.

94 --- Jamaica ----------- 9,000 --- 2011 est.

World Bank (2010) GDP per capita

Rank--Nation------------------in $US----YR
86 --- Dominican Republic- 9,350 -- 2010

94 -- Jamaica ----------------- 7,673 ---- 2010


International Monetary Fund (2011) GDP per capita

87--- Dominican Republic --- 9,287 -- 2011
88 --- Jamaica ----------------- 9,029 --- 2011


Let's keep it REAL Dready!

Next time put your sources and DATES!!!!


OJO! Be careful with Dready's numbers. He neither gave his source nor provided a date for the information.

My three sources give DR an advantage over Jamaica of:

US$ 300 (CIA, 2011)

US$ 1, 677 ( WORLD BANK, 2011)

US$ 258 ( IMF, 2011)


Or an average of US$ 745 more than Jamaica.
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 8:40 PM
From: United States
says Caca

So the numbers that Atabey toll you of World Bank and United Nation means nothing?

Atabey can teach me nothing about the GDP. what i have forgotten about it, he will never learn. i am a World Bank trained development analyst. Atabey is a delusional lamebrain, who thinks he knows things.

Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 8:42 PM
From: United States
says sabelotodo


Or an average of US$ 745 more than Jamaica.

in respect to what? what does that have to do with the Human Development Index?
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Jun 2012 8:43 PM
From: United States
the idiot further raves

My three sources give DR an advantage over Jamaica of:

US$ 300 (CIA, 2011)

US$ 1, 677 ( WORLD BANK, 2011)

US$ 258 ( IMF, 2011)

in respect to what, sabelotodo?


Written by: Atabey, 8 Jun 2012 8:44 PM
From: United States, NYC

Dready,

The Jamaicans and Dominicans sent back to their countries are they NOT CITIZENS OF JAMAICA OR THE DR?

AND if they are citizens of either Jamaica or the DR, should they NOT be counted as part of each nations population?

It IS YOU who needs to thread very carefully and backtrack on this silly notion that the USA base population needs to be used as a denominator.

I know you want to save MORE embarrassment for old J, but this lie is all too apparent. Go Drink some more Lemon Tea in a Tall glass. Chill the glass before pouring.. ...
Written by: LaCacata, 8 Jun 2012 8:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
So, let me see if I understand:

Dready is a "World Bank trained development analyst" but he disregard the numbers of W.B. where he works, U.S.state department, U.N. but his own numbers?

I think he got his numbers from a "rastafari session"!

:)

I guess that he really is a "rastafari stone trained development analyst" !


Written by: RoyStone, 8 Jun 2012 9:11 PM
From: Australia
A Dominican preaching to an Australian about democracy, independence and sovereignty - that's a laugh!

Australia has successfully defended its democracy, independence and sovereignty, as well as done more than its share in defending the democracy, independence and sovereignty of its allies. Japan dropped more bombs on Darwin Australia than Pearl Harbor, yet no foreign power has ever set foot on our soil.

In contrast, foreign powers (Haiti and USA 3 times) have walked in and taken over the Dominican Republic without requiring any shelling or bombing, and you begged Spain to make the country a dependent colony again.

QE2 a clown? Despite almost bankrupting the country, you nearly made the Hippo president again. QE2 has seen more Dominican dictators, thieves and morons as presidents come and go than you've had hot meals. Now the country lives off foreign loans, foreign tourists and "foreign" Dominicans.

Next?
Written by: cheflord522, 8 Jun 2012 9:23 PM
From: United States, Boston, Mass,
O M F&$*^ G
Here goes Roy again with his insults to Dominican and it's people...I get it, he has so little to worry in his Anglo -British nation that he needs to find some nation or people to release his bias opinions.
Yes, they say the queen rules no one....oooohhhh yeaaaa....just look at them last ,like little puppies kissing ass to that British leech......let it be known that none of those F%$*S were or are good to no one, the only ones who knew better were the Russian who blew the monarchy to little pieces.
While her former colonies in Africa, Asia, caribbean and Indian continent starve to death she spend millions of pounds showing her ugly face full of stolen goods from poor nations...give me a break jack ass
Written by: LaCacata, 8 Jun 2012 9:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
@Roystone:

dude.. You are the "toe" of the world.
I am 100 % sure that if you give away a mansion in Australia to anybody here in the forum , but they have to live there, nobody would take it!

In contrast we 're in the belly bottom of the world: ocupied initially by Tainos, invaded by spaniards, haitians, french, english an americans.
That's why Columbus started the colonization of the rest of New world in D.R.

But to be free of colonialsim cost a lot of blood and lives..

The fact that QE II is the head of Australian state and you called her "Queen of Australia" is the most ridiculous thing EVER !

As a dominican if they want to call the queen of Spain our "Queen of D.R.", or QE II the Queen of Americans and they probably wouldnt even understand that nonsense.

The british imperialism is the official form of a goverment pillage and looting.
Africa , Asia, India etc, had bad memories.Gandhi stood against it .Nobel Prize

QE II is basically the queen of plunde
Written by: cheflord522, 8 Jun 2012 9:31 PM
From: United States, Boston, Mass,
RoyStone is by far the most despicable person(If I may call him one) writing here....I wonder....why do the people of the DR take the shit that this racist moron writes here...Roy if your nation and people are so good and smart and the DR people so worthless...why don't you get the "F" lost in your own little "f" perfect nation and allow the DR to make their own progress? Ooh I forgot you A hole we do not need jack ass like you.
My apologies to the rest of the readers.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 9 Jun 2012 12:00 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Ooh, c'mon. Roy and Dread ain't so bad! They love to criticize and compare simply out of love and appreciation for our land!

I've always known that if one does not care, one ignores. They don't, so they're totally fascinated and in love with all the nonsense, comedy of errors and daily drama occurring in our stage.

Give them a break. Our quixotic land keeps them entertained and amused! What's the harm?
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Jun 2012 12:33 AM
From: Australia
LaCacata, pontificates

"QE II is basically the queen of plunde"

The British royal family are wealthy in their own right, pay taxes and have never even been accused of corruption by either side of politics.

The Dominican "royal family" are wealthy from robbing the country, don't pay net tax and everyone knows they are corrupt. Nothing real is done about corruption in government since everyone wants an uninterrupted turn at the trough.

The Dominican Republic is not a democracy. It is a narco-kleptocracy, a failed-state and a banana-republic, corrupt from the top down to the lowest manhole-cover thief. The likes of Duarte became extinct generations ago. Now you have the likes of the Hippo. Australia has statesmen of conscience, and leaders in every field of human endeavor. You have a good women's basket-ball team. That's all.



Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 9 Jun 2012 12:52 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

"You have a good women's basket-ball team. That's all."

Well, don't know about anyone else, but whenever I've travel to the narcokleptocracy, I've had a great time with the many adulating women, sunny beaches, beautiful mountain towns (Jarabacoa,Manabao, Constanza), cerveza Presidente, night life, and friendly people.

To me, that's plenty of entertainment and adventure. It's gonna be even better this time around.
The old ball and chain won't be around!.. Puss me, beer me!
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Jun 2012 12:58 AM
From: Australia
cheflord522, declares

"the only ones who knew better were the Russian who blew the monarchy to little pieces."

He has obviously never stayed in Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union. I have, a number of times. Many now regret the loss of the Romanov family. Putin's fortune is over 40 billion, much more than QE2's, and he didn't inherit it from his grandfather. Remember QE2 does not "own" the crown jewels or Buckingham Palace, any more than Juia Gillard owns Kirribilli House.

As for "her former colonies in Africa, Asia, caribbean and Indian continent starve to death"
- the only ones starving to death are those that expelled the British settlers and their descendents ages ago.

The people were far better of when it was Rhodesia under Ian Smith than Zimbabwe under Robert Mugabe. India is a thriving democracy, largely thanks to British infrastructure and their abolition of the caste system.
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Jun 2012 1:00 AM
From: Australia
If the British Commonwealth countries are so bad, how come your government is always courting them, and gate-crashing their parties?
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Jun 2012 1:10 AM
From: Australia
Ron,
No argument from me about Dominican women - the best in the world and I have often said so here.
Yes, Jarabacoa is a nice town, and there are some friendly Dominicans. However every country has some nice towns and friendly people. Still few countries have as much crime, corruption, environmental vandalism and pretentiousness.

As for your "old ball and chain" - perhaps you should have dealt with that ages ago? There are too many good, young women in this world (especially in the Dominican Republic) to waste your manhood on a bad one.
Written by: Atabey, 9 Jun 2012 8:11 AM
From: United States, NYC

Countries by future GDP (PPP) estimates

The following list is of world economies sorted by their gross domestic product (GDP), the value of all final goods and services produced within a nation in a given year, adjusted by purchasing power parity (PPP), in US Dollars.

Rank-----Nation-----------------2011-----2012-----2013--------2014--------2015------2016

73---Dominican Republic-- 93.408 --99.587--106.240---113.576-- 121.831---131.018

113-- Jamaica ------------------ 24.637--- 25.333-- 26.114--- 26.995--- 28.096---- 29.360




The forecasts, covering a seven year period from 2011 to 2017, were calculated by the International Monetary Fund per its World Economic Outlook (WEO), September 2011, and its WEO Update, January 2012.
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Jun 2012 8:17 AM
From: Australia
Atabey,
The article is about the Dominican Republic being a a developed country by 2025, no mention about Jamaica. I would prefer it become a civilized and environmentally-responsible country first.

Written by: Atabey, 9 Jun 2012 8:19 AM
From: United States, NYC
"Jamaica still ranks ABOVE you on the Human Development Index. you might be closing the gap, but that does not mean you are ahead. a lot of athletes close gaps on the front runner, but the only thing that matters is who is at the front at the finish. as of today, Jamaica is ahead, so put that in your pipe, and smoke it." --- Dready


7 year estimates by IMF, GDP PPP. As someone USE TO SAY: You have to look at the trends. I wonder where that old wiser man has gone?

Written by: DR_guy, 9 Jun 2012 8:28 AM
From: Dominican Republic
BTW Dread..

I have had interests in Jamaica for near 15 years and just this month we had to pull out..



Jamaica is in all kinds of doo-doo with the IMF, they are frantically searching for ways to keep their head above water.

"Financial observers note that Jamaica is currently paying more debt interest than any other country, including those in Europe that have been reeling under the near collapse of the euro. In total, the island owes around US$18 billion."

This is from imf dot org and Jamaica Gleaner.

Trinidad and the Bahamas well thats a different story but also not LA countries.

If the DR can pull this kind of positive rating even with the all the negatives just think what could happen if some of the negatives are taken out of the equation. They may hit their target before 2025.

The DR isn't looking so bad after all...
Written by: ScandiViking, 9 Jun 2012 10:00 AM
From: Norway
I am lost here - Do I understand it correct that DR are changing their population with somebody else and hence be a developed country by 2025????? Please educate me someone.
Written by: stillhere, 9 Jun 2012 10:31 AM
From: Dominican Republic

Yes ScandiViking the government is shipping 6million Dominicans to South Korean in return for 2million Koreans.....hahahahahhahahah
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 10:35 AM
From: United States
New report about deportations of Dominicans
By Candida Portugues, El Diario La Prensa, 1 May 2009. Translated from Spanish by Emily Leavitt.

More than 36,000 Dominicans have been deported since 1996, when then President Clinton signed into law the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act. Dominicans constitute 25 percent of the incarcerated population in New York State.

Caca, unlike Atabey, i have no childhood issues. i do not post for attention. i knew my father, very well. so, i am not looking for people to notice me, recognize me, or affirm my existence. i have no abandonment issues.so i do not have to open 19 concurrent threads in the forum, in order to prove to people that i exist. so, along those lines, i do not have to post fictions in order to make points. the above information is from a study made by highly recognized academic institutions in the USA. compared to them , UASD is like a kindergarten playground.
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 10:37 AM
From: United States
says DRGuy

Written by: DR_guy, 9 Jun 2012 8:28 AM
From: Dominican Republic
BTW Dread..

I have had interests in Jamaica for near 15 years and just this month we had to pull out..

which `proves exactly what? Trinidad has had economic interests in the DR for a long while, and have just sold out all their restaurant properties there. Americall just closed its doors in POP, and headed to Jamaica. so, your point is?
Written by: Atabey, 9 Jun 2012 10:38 AM
From: United States, NYC
The Batty Boy Dread,

Jamaica is in deep poo and your wet diapers just adds to its misery. Time for you to face the facts, DR is leaving behind J.

Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 10:39 AM
From: United States
says ScandiViking

Written by: ScandiViking, 9 Jun 2012 10:00 AM
From: Denmark
I am lost here - Do I understand it correct that DR are changing their population with somebody else and hence be a developed country by 2025????? Please educate me someone.

yes, they are going to replace them with more sabelotodos like Atabey, and will have their first Space Shuttle launch in 2015.
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 10:42 AM
From: United States
says Atabey

The Batty Boy Dread,

Jamaica is in deep poo and your wet diapers just add to its misery. Time for you to face the facts, DR is leaving behind J.

leaving behind? you mean like infant mortality? hunger? people living below the the poverty line? inequaitability of income? people sufering from malnutrition? EDUCATION? corruption and mismanagement in government? IT technology? international accomplishments? the only thing left behind was you and your mother , by your father.
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 10:44 AM
From: United States
If the DR can pull this kind of positive rating even with the all the negatives just think what could happen if some of the negatives are taken out of the equation. They may hit their target before 2025.

negatives such as what? the preponderance of know it all types, who do not know squat, but think they are college professors?
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 10:45 AM
From: United States
says Atabey

7 year estimates by IMF, GDP PPP. As someone USE TO SAY: You have to look at the trends. I wonder where that old wiser man has gone?

you do not even know what GDPPPP means. what does that have to do with the HDI?
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 10:51 AM
From: United States
says Atabey

Written by: Atabey, 8 Jun 2012 8:44 PM
From: United States, NYC

Dready,

The Jamaicans and Dominicans sent back to their countries are they NOT CITIZENS OF JAMAICA OR THE DR?

AND if they are citizens of either Jamaica or the DR, should they NOT be counted as part of each nations population?

this is a matter of methodology in comparative statistics, so, here goes

1...one of us is right, and the other is wrong

2...one of us studied statistics in college, while the other did not

3..i am the one that studied the subject, despite the fact that i hated it, and was never very good at it
Atabey is the guy who does not understand the difference between 200 and 400 percent


5..i believe that even with the limitations of my understandings, i know more than a guy who cannot recognize a regression analysis model, or who knows what a scatter chart is.

6 i would put money on a bet that i am right, in this case.
Written by: Atabey, 9 Jun 2012 11:03 AM
From: United States, NYC


How long did it take his Vikings to reach today's lofty standards? I say we Dominicans aren't that far behind schedule and several centuries ahead. LOL
Written by: Atabey, 9 Jun 2012 11:07 AM
From: United States, NYC
"In economics, purchasing power parity (PPP) asks how much money would be needed to purchase the same goods and services in two countries, and uses that to calculate an implicit foreign exchange rate. Using that PPP rate, an amount of money thus has the same purchasing power in different countries. Among other uses, PPP rates facilitate international comparisons of income, as market exchange rates are often volatile, are affected by political and financial factors that do not lead to immediate changes in income and tend to systematically understate the standard of living in poor countries, due to the Balassa–Samuelson effect."

CIA World Factbook (2011) GDP per capita

Rank-----Nation----------------$US------YR
93 Dominican Republic 9,300--- 2011 est.

94 --- Jamaica ----------- 9,000 --- 2011 est.

World Bank (2010) GDP per capita

Rank--Nation------------------in $US----YR

86 --- Dominican Republic- 9,350 -- 2010

94 -- Jamaica ----------------- 7,673 ---- 2010

Written by: Atabey, 9 Jun 2012 11:08 AM
From: United States, NYC



International Monetary Fund (2011) GDP per capita

87--- Dominican Republic --- 9,287 -- 2011
88 --- Jamaica ----------------- 9,029 --- 2011


Let's keep it REAL Dready!

Next time put your sources and DATES!!!!


OJO! Be careful with Dready's numbers. He neither gave his source nor provided a date for the information.

My three sources give DR an advantage over Jamaica of:

US$ 300 (CIA, 2011)

US$ 1, 677 ( WORLD BANK, 2011)

US$ 258 ( IMF, 2011)


Or an average of US$ 745 more than Jamaica.
Written by: LaCacata, 9 Jun 2012 11:14 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
Somebody please explain me..

Why dready says that he studied statistics in college to be an analyst from the world bank, but he disregard the numbers provided by the world bank itself, the U.N., IMF, and the US depatment?


Is he trying to say that his own work is useles?


And to make it better, he doesnt provide numbers or source....what kind of economist is that?
Somebody smell fishy over here ... !
Written by: Atabey, 9 Jun 2012 11:35 AM
From: United States, NYC

He has the smell of something more in rhyme with sheet, than fish. LOL


But your point is crystal clear: Batty Dready has no clue why the REAL NUMBERS FROM THREE SOURCED INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS go against his own numbers.

Talk about misaligned Egomaniacs. LOL
Written by: Atabey, 9 Jun 2012 11:40 AM
From: United States, NYC


gdp ppp?????
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 11:40 AM
From: United States
says Caca, regarding Jamaica

, an outstanding corruption


Corruption Perception Index, 2011

Jamaica 86

Dominican Republic 129

Caca, the larger the number,the worse it is. get it?

Written by: Atabey, 9 Jun 2012 11:41 AM
From: United States, NYC

GDP ppp????



The Larger the number the better.
Written by: Atabey, 9 Jun 2012 11:43 AM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: LaCacata, 9 Jun 2012 11:14 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..



Somebody please explain me..

Why dready says that he studied statistics in college to be an analyst from the world bank, but he disregard the numbers provided by the world bank itself, the U.N., IMF, and the US department?


Is he trying to say that his own work is useless?


And to make it better, he doesn't provide numbers or source....what kind of economist is that?
Somebody smell fishy over here ... !



Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 11:43 AM
From: United States
How come that child labor , financial meltdown and according to, a World Bank (WB) study suggested that inclusion of the informal sector would raise Jamaica’s GDP statistics by as much as 40%.?
Let me repeat this , of the employed people 40 % are hustling..

this is exactly why uneducated people should not be allowed to post on matters of substance. how do you arrive at the figure that 40% of the people are hustling? do you understand the nature of the informal sector? do you know what it means?
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 11:44 AM
From: United States
Written by: Atabey, 9 Jun 2012 11:41 AM
From: United States, NYC

GDP ppp????



The Larger the number the better.

i knew that you did not have the answer
Written by: Atabey, 9 Jun 2012 11:45 AM
From: United States, NYC

And hustling ain't part of the story in DR's case???


Sad Dready, really sad. Where did all that training go and World Bank experience?? You saying you don't trust the work at the WB??? The IMF??? The CIA???



Where's the Magic 8 Ball? LOL
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 11:48 AM
From: United States
Atabey and his little idiot posse really show why there really is a serious need to improve education in this land. his last reply shows exactly what happens when people fail to educate themselves. GDPPPP means absolutely NOTHING when factored into human development. NOTHING. it is a number which impresses the sabelotodos here, but people who have been to school ignore it. it has nothing to do with Human Development, whatsoever, any more than nominal GDP does.
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 11:50 AM
From: United States
asks the idiot

Written by: Atabey, 9 Jun 2012 11:45 AM
From: United States, NYC

And hustling ain't part of the story in DR's case???


Sad Dready, really sad. Where did all that training go and World Bank experience?? You saying you don't trust the work at the WB??? The IMF??? The CIA???

i asked how the Caca arrived at the figure that 40% of the people are hustling. maybe you could help explain the mathematics, you being a math wizard, and all.
Written by: LaCacata, 9 Jun 2012 11:53 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..


If dready is an analyst of World Bank.. without giving any professional answer.. And when you ask, he simply gave you THE SAME WIKIPEDIA explanation..copy and paste, the same thing I would do..

If he is a analyst from the world bank, and went to college for that , them , I am Santa Claus ...!

My Gosh, this guy is a joke, A BAD one for sure ...
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 9 Jun 2012 11:54 AM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
If Roy is from Australia, then Im from Russia, that ninja is a f0cking Haitian.
Written by: cheflord522, 9 Jun 2012 11:55 AM
From: United States, Boston, Mass,
RoyStone
I knew from day one that you were one those separatists Rhodesian or South Africa who abuse a whole race with no mercy for decades.....MAN you must be sick by saying that slavery is better than hungry...death is better than what the British did to S Africans and Rhodesians.
You my friend ....you are a scumbag indeed...your pathetic defence to the monarchy is beyond common sense.
Written by: Atabey, 9 Jun 2012 11:58 AM
From: United States, NYC
Guys,

Just have Roy answer this:



Who is Eddie Mabo?
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 11:59 AM
From: United States
says some mental defective called JosyHeideVivo

Written by: JosyHiedeVivo, 8 Jun 2012 3:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I saw some videos of jamaica.. and that looks like haiti 100 %, so personally I dont think that NOBODY should compare a country left behind in 19th century with a country with exceptional rate of economy growing.

it looks like Haiti, he says. another self hating Dominican, who is probably blacker than the ace of spades, but seeks to demean something because of blackness. so, Josy, tell us, in your best English, the following

1...what have you accomplished, at the international level?. if i go to Azerbaijan, and say the words Dominican Republic, who will come to mind?

2..you admittedly have a great wealth of baseball talents. what have you won, since 1948?

3...do you have any popular artists that anybody readily recognizes, anywhere in the world?

4...how many of your athletes have ever set a world record, IN ANYTHING?

Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 12:00 PM
From: United States
besides beauty contests, what international competitions have you ever won?

what products do you have that are known as the standard by which all others are judged?

answer me those, and i have a few more, just in case you do not like those.
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 12:04 PM
From: United States
hey, Heidi Ho, i do not see you on this list

.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scripps_National_Spelling_Bee_champions
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 12:10 PM
From: United States
hey, Ho, we even excel at things never seen on the island

Bobsleigh Canada coach Gerd Grimme described Brown as one of the top three brakesmen in the world, along with Beat Hefti of Switzerland and Germany's Kevin Kuske.

we only use ice for preserving things, and cooling drinks,yet we produce one of the three best bobsledders in the world. when you reach that level, talk to me.
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 12:13 PM
From: United States
hey, Ho, i do not see your guys on this list of 100 greatest artists of all time

11 - Bob Marley
12 - Beach Boys
13 - Buddy Holly
14 - Led Zeppelin
15 - Stevie Wonder
16 - Sam Cooke
17 - Muddy Waters
18 - Marvin Gaye
19 - Velvet Underground
20 - Bo Diddley

they left off antony santos? what a shame.
Written by: LaCacata, 9 Jun 2012 12:58 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
I can answer to Dready:

1.-We have the best musician in the world. Period.
2.- bobsledders? Is that a sport? I dont recall see it everyday on espn..
3.-The best baseball and basketball is play in MLB and NBA..And in MLB we are simply THE BEST !
4.- Atletes for the olympics games? Something you see ONLY every 4 years? are you kidding me?

5.-I live in USA and I had work with a lot of musicians, and mostly they disregard playing Marley music because is SO BORING..The same annoying repetitive rhythmic.

6.-So, "rastafari WB analyst wanabe" you expect go everywhere in the world and people recognize you because you are jamaican?
There are some neighbors here that wont allow you to just walk on the streets simply because you are who you are. They will call the cops on you right away..

Please give me more of your mojo, because I can answer all your questions..


p.s. a pic of dready in his WB office: gulu4everything.blogspot.com/2010/12/picture-of-ganja-tree.html
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 1:10 PM
From: United States
says caca

1.-We have the best musician in the world. Period.

and just who might that be?

The best baseball and basketball is play in NBA and MLB..And in MLB .we are simply THE BEST

you are the best in basketball? name me one Hall of Fame player that you have?

5.-I live in USA and I had work with a lot of musicians, and mostly they disregard playing Marley music because is SO BORING..The same annoying repetitive rhythmic.

maybe that is why people who actually know something, and not some country bumpkin Dominican sabelotodo, rates him as the 11th best , ever. BORING? ever listen to bachata? the same 4 major chords . repeated over and over.

here are some neighbors here that wont allow you to just walk on the streets simply because you are who you are. They will call the cops on you right away.

i have friends in the USA who teach school in upper Manhattan, and i cannot get them to come here to the DR on a visit. they say that having seen Dominicans in America, th
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 1:16 PM
From: United States
would never go to the country they come from. numerous landlords in the USA would never rent to a Dominican. i let two different Dominicans use my apartment for 6 months at a time, free of charge. they did not even have the decency to thank me, but left me with the problem of having to fight off bill collectors, after they stiffed people like Sprint, and MCI. hey, 82% of Dominicans in NYC are on some form of welfare. that is enough for me. even when they get all the free stuff from social services, they will pocket the money , and stiff the creditors. not to mention all the medicare scams, the counterfeit money scams, the insurance fraud..you name it. some of us also are familiar with the usa. i lived there since before you were born. i see you guys with your laundry hanging from the porches, throwing garbage into the street below, playing loud music, disturbing the neighbors at 3 am. that iswhy the PRs do not want you in the area. you drive down the property values, in a heartbeat.
Written by: LaCacata, 9 Jun 2012 1:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
@ dready

You are OBVIOULSY no reading or too ignorant or both..

let me enlight you:
--The best musician in the world is playing in the land of Roystone this week

--My landlord wont allow jamaicans in his properties.. He just ask.." Are they Irish" ?And everybody understand..

--To play bachata ( and I play guitar as a hobbie at home) you need to be a Hell of a good musician! Only watch any video and watch the fingers, how somebody can memorize all that stuff.Regae is a 3 VERYbasic notes rythmic.A child can do that. That's why you dont need to remember anything ( speciailly when using ganja! )

I 'll be more than happy to answer your nonsense..World bank analyst..
By the way, if they see ya in a bank, they dont call the cops on you right away? Not to mention to work in one with dreadlocks, nobody would be that insane to hire something like that..
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 1:21 PM
From: United States
before the Dominicans started getting into the auto repair business in numbers, the NYC Department of Motor Vehicles had a rule that all repair shops had to display a sign, on the side of the building, with the shop registration number. when the DR gang got into the business, they did not bother to fill out the forms, and pay the fees. they just rode around, in thedead of night, stealing other people´s signs off the wall. in the end, the shops had to peyition the DMV to allow them to keep the sign inside, and place it in a conspicuous position. i kid you not.!
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 1:32 PM
From: United States
visions of prosperity for you, Caca

.google.com.do/#hl=es&sclient=psy-ab&q=images+of+dominica+yola&oq=images+of+dominica+yola&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.12...7223.14992.2.16629.29.21.6.2.3.0.373.5390.0j2j14j5.21.0...0.0.naOqaqpwmHM&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=35f7a30de19086c4&biw=1024&bih=673

Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 1:38 PM
From: United States
--To play bachata ( and I play guitar as a hobbie at home) you need to be a Hell of a good musician! Only watch any video and watch the fingers, how somebody can memorize all that stuff.Regae is a 3 VERYbasic notes rythmic.A child can do that. That's why you dont need to remember anything ( speciailly when using ganja! )

i also played guitar. i gave it up, and played bass instead. bachata is basic, simplistic, repetitive, rubbish. there is nothing difficult to playing it. if it is so fantastic, why does nobody of note bother with it. let me give you some idea of bands which have played reggae music

The Police

The Beatles

The Rolling Stones

UB40

The English Beat

Men at Work

David Bowie

Sting

i could go on all day, but none of this means anything to you, since people who live in village huts do not hear this stuff on a daily basis.
Written by: LaCacata, 9 Jun 2012 1:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..


To play regae you only need to learn G, D Em, C notes..
The VERY basic notes you learn on your first day.
You can teach that to somebody from the streets in 15 minutes! That's not music, that 's a repetitive rythmics!

I can play David Bowie, sting, men at work etc because it's SO easy.But can they play Bachata?
Not in a million years!

I got a photo of you working at the World Bank:
georgiabankrobbery.com/2009/02/college-park-georgia-02182009/
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 1:50 PM
From: United States
what´s up with this, Caca

Dominican auto fraud in United States

Auto fraud runner gets probation - The Dominican Leo Lopez cooperates with prosecutors, pleads guilty
eagletribune.com — Leo Lopez, a major player in the city's once-thriving auto fraud industry has pleaded guilty — again.
Lopez, 31, cooperated with prosecutors to take down a host of local attorneys and chiropractors after his indictment on 36 larceny, fraud and conspiracy charges.
The former Lawrence High School basketball star previously pleaded guilty to 26 auto fraud crimes, but later asked for a new trial due to ineffective counsel. His new trial request was granted in September 2010

by the way, did i ever tell you that your name suits you to a T?
Written by: ScandiViking, 9 Jun 2012 1:53 PM
From: Norway
Dread,
with guys like LaCacata it will certainly not come into consideration until 2325. Btw I suppose the likes of caca must be close to a 100% of the population.

Dread, as you know the whole world know of the outstanding ahtletes from Jamaica.

As far as I understand DR has a lot of "baseball stars" who falsify their birthcertificate to get a bit of the cake of NBA, which is right in the mind of dominicans. Minimum effort for maximum gain is what the Dominican mentality is all about.

To be a baseball star what does that take. Obviously you need 2 arms and legs, but what else???
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 1:54 PM
From: United States
Caca, you should consider doing something useful with your life, rather than staying home on your fat ass, sucking up welfare. maybe you would have less time for simple minded games. go enrol for a class in remedial reading, like Atabey has. at least he can cobble a few words together. you are stll basically a little below functionally literate.
Written by: LaCacata, 9 Jun 2012 1:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
Ufffffff
Scandviking


I though that dready was ignorant , but boy, you REALLY impress me!

To say it's easy to bat a ball with a lot of effect at 95 miles and hour ( if you could see it) and hit a home run , it's the same thing like saying getting a ball and to put it in a basket make you a great star.

it takes long years of practice to get there..To say it , is WAY easier than do it..
Written by: LaCacata, 9 Jun 2012 2:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..

@dready

ok..
I will follow the advise of a drug addict...
VERY smart..!
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 2:25 PM
From: United States
well Caca, that is your time for today. i have to go deal with adults now. people who actually have brains. as Scandi says, with people like you, 2525 is more like it, not any time this milennium.
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 2:27 PM
From: United States
says Scandi

As far as I understand DR has a lot of "baseball stars" who falsify their birthcertificate to get a bit of the cake

it is not that they intentionally falsify their ages. they are all like Caca. they do not know the difference between one number and the next. it is all because of that wonderful education system they have here.
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 2:33 PM
From: United States
here´s a little corruption news for you, Caca

Senate president Reinaldo Pared said Tuesday his colleague Alejandro L. William hasn’t informed the Senate on his judicial situation over an alleged Medicaid fraud of an undisclosed amount in the United States, reports newspaper listin.com.do.

old news, but same style as today.
Written by: kewrunner, 9 Jun 2012 2:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic
2025 I will be dead. So will you! Who cares!
Written by: LaCacata, 9 Jun 2012 2:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..

@dready

I am cracking up.. So you are telling me that jamaicans are sweethearts or any better?
gojamaica.net/news/read_article.php?id=33582
Written by: stillhere, 9 Jun 2012 3:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic
we are simply THE BEST !

Really?? we need to go over this AGAIN???

Dominican Republic ranks 12 in the world... how is this "simply THE BEST !"
Cuba is simply the best... Look it up dip sh%#t ..... I'll even give you the link
ibaf.org/en/world-ranking.aspx?type=1

"let me enlight you:
--The best musician in the world is playing in the land of Roystone this week.."

Your enlighten us with out saying anything ???
So who is it?? As I can see who it might be on any gig guide.......

But can they play Bachata? No the question is would they want too????
Written by: LaCacata, 9 Jun 2012 3:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..


@Stillthere..

-position by position we ARE the best in baseball... No stupid baseball federation...Most of our stars were not allow to play there..
MBL is where you play the BEST baseball on earth and EVERYBODY knows that !

-The best muscian in the world? JLG ! what kind of question is that..?

-The question is this..Does the best dominican musicians want to play boring regae? I dont think so..

Any more questions?


Written by: LaCacata, 9 Jun 2012 4:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..


@spinach

-People want to hear cuban music? is there such a thing?
You mean mambo, son, and cha cha cha? Because they havent make any music in the last 60 years.. !

-Dominican music nobody want to hear? Really? Them if you go to a hispanic club ( the hotest ones here in USA by the way) I wonder what do they play ? Tango?



-Reggae is the best beat ever? The same repetitive patern? I have NEVER been in a party where they only play that music, because it's so BORING !

-Dominicans are copying reggae music? Please mention a couple musicians because I dont know NOBODY..


Sorry Spinach, wrong info..
Written by: Barbie59Ray64, 9 Jun 2012 4:55 PM
From: United Kingdom
I don't wanna be a pesimist but, if the education level is not improved then this prediction is uncertain and on top of that, we have the haitians problems, immigration from Haiti, Just a lot of young hatians giving birth and multiplying the population , hooooo. No way we'll reach that point in 13 years. For every 10 dominican who emigrate abroad, there are 100 haitians coming in. I am not an anti- haitian but our dominican population is not well educated so if we add the haitians up that would be equal to ZERO. The more uneducated people a country has the longer it takes to get develop itself. By the way, do you think that the way our secondary students for the past 25 years are being educated , we will get to that point so soon ? No my friends. There still lots of students who do not even know what the cardinal points are or who are the national patriotics some still answering ( Juan, Pablo y Duarte). See you soon
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 9 Jun 2012 5:00 PM
From: Haiti
Barbie59Ray64,
go to read what I have writed.
Don't forget, take your responsability, it's too easy to put your problem on an another people.
Haiti give you too much money. Continue to have the attitude and you will lost your tourism and your place in 10 years.
I don't think DR will reach something. This people is too much ignorant and lazy.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 9 Jun 2012 5:15 PM
From: Haiti
Spinash
Can You tell me why you speak like them to dreadlock?
Could you explain me that?
Did he talks a bad thing about HAITI?
Written by: stillhere, 9 Jun 2012 6:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic

Ha.... dip S&*T.... nobody has said or is saying the Dominican Republic doesn't produce good Ball players....
The fact is ... now got your glasses on??? The fact is it is a TEAM game... If they can't put the best team together and place better than 12 in the world in a TEAM game. Then change your jocks as it is your ass talking....

"-The best muscian in the world? JLG ! what kind of question is that..?"
Nope.... still can't find who that is....
is this it? myspace.com/jlgmusical1 or this facebook.com/jlgmusic?sk=wall&filter=2

And just how is this tittle judged? "The best musician in the world" ???? I know they have a guitarist and drummers of the year awards..????
I don't think I have ever seen "The best musician in the world" wards ... anyone???
Written by: LaCacata, 9 Jun 2012 6:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..

@stillhere


3 VERY stupid answers


Are you playing stupid or you really are?
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 8:36 PM
From: United States
stillhere, it is because of people like Caca that they invented the word Dumbinican. he, she, or it, calls Juan Luis Guerra the best musician in the world. you can tell that someone who says that has never gotten out of the ghetto, to go see what real musicians are like. never seen a live concert. never heard good music. the most complicated stuff they have ever heard is tipico. as to their achievements...the last time the DR won a major tournament was in 1948. never since. in the biggest competitition on earth,the Olympics, they have produced ONE world class runner. ONE medal in track. never had a world heavyweight boxing champion. never even won a bronze in baseball, at the olympics. their biggest talent is making excuses for getting their asses kicked, by teams like Australia,and Chinese Taipei. they are the brst in basketball now, to hera Caca tell it. never had a Hall of Fame player, but they are the best.

Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 8:38 PM
From: United States
says Spinach

Written by: SPiNACH, 9 Jun 2012 4:02 PM
From: Canada
Bye
Bye
Jamaica

The 1970 s and 1980 s are over
You had your golden moment

if i did not feel so much pity for Haiti, i would really have a go at you, Spinach. it is just that i do not kick a dog when he is down, and never likely to rise again.
Written by: ZonaDominicana, 9 Jun 2012 9:09 PM
From: United States, Orange County, California
One way to keep up with the grow is by increasing export to other countries. Of course, the units produced need to be cycled. For example, at one time, it was very cheap to manufacture clothes in the DR but, now is cheaper in Asia. We have to increase production in other areas to support or keep the growth.
Written by: LaCacata, 9 Jun 2012 9:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
Is there anything more lame and boring that watch people in a track running?
how many of you has pay money to see something like that in a stadium?
Not me for sure..'cuz it's more a discipline than a sport..

Dominicans play a professional sport,baseball, and we 're the best at it.. money talk and BS walk..

Playing boringgae it's under the same category..
The fact that Jamaican are struggling in most of the economy and it's relegated to the 70's is a sad fact. The fact that you are comparing with D.R. is an insult.

My best bet is that Haiti will have a better future than Jamaica in a few years due to the hard working people and the lack of drug dependency of jamaican general population..

If there is a single jamaican in a better position than JLG now , please tell me because I really wanna laugh!

And no hall of fame player?


Can this "world bank rastafari analyst" speak anything beside nonsense?
Written by: azeen, 9 Jun 2012 10:41 PM
From: United States
-Dominican music nobody want to hear? Really? Them if you go to a hispanic club ( the hotest ones here in USA by the way) I wonder what do they play ? Tango?

Dread says nobody wants to hear Dominican music and you say that at the hotest Hispanics clubs they play a lot of Dominican music.. NO shytt. As oppose to them playing U2, Tom jones, and a bit of Reba McIntyre.
Written by: azeen, 9 Jun 2012 11:08 PM
From: United States
Caca! I'm heading to one the hottest Caucasian club tonite. What are the chances that they'll play some JLG, Secreto, or fefita tonite?
Written by: LaCacata, 10 Jun 2012 12:00 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..


Zean, I dont know, but dont play reggae, unless you really wanna go to sleep..
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Jun 2012 12:05 AM
From: Australia
Both Jamaica and the Dominican Republic have very serious problems. But when it comes to music and sport, there is no comparison. Quite simply, Jamaica is world famous, and the Dominican Republic almost unheard of. Ask anyone around the world where Jamaica is, and most can tell you its in the Caribbean. As for the Dominican Republic, they know it's not in Europe, and probably Catholic from the name, and that's about it.

I don't know much about baseball, but I believe it is a team sport. Some top American teams have good American players, born in the Dominican Republic, or of Dominican descent. Arguably as a result of their African DNA and American training. I don't think it is from their Spanish ancestry, that Dominicans like to boast about (to differentiate themselves from what they consider inferior Haitian stock). When did a Dominican baseball team last win anything?

Written by: RoyStone, 10 Jun 2012 12:25 AM
From: Australia
Reggae vs. Bachata? (Meringue is just as much Haitian, and is even more boring)
Bob Marley is a household name in every country, even amongst people who don't like Reggae. Many bands worldwide, and for decades, include Reggae in their repertoire, and some even specialize in it, even without any links to Jamaica. Yet Reggae is undeniably Jamaican, as the Blues is black-American, Samba is Brazilian and Tango is Argentinian.

Bachata on the other hand is virtually unheard of outside the Dominican Republic and the Dominican diaspora in USA. When I first saw Aventura billboards in Santo Domingo, I thought it was an adolescent fashion-label. This now defunked band, the only Bachata band with any semblance of recognition outside of this banana republic, was formed in USA by mostly American born and educated Dominicans, but funded with Dominican illicit-drug-trade money. Yet Dominicans seem to think Marley is an abbreviate for Marley-juana.



Written by: LaCacata, 10 Jun 2012 2:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..


@Roystone:

"Bachata on the other hand is virtually unheard of outside the Dominican Republic"

Really? I was in a party in West Palm Beach last month, and I was the only latino In that party..And for my surprise when they play Prince Royce everybody was dancing...and singing his music.. something that I dont even know
Opss..
Sorry , RoyStone dont know who he is...either because he only knows Aventura..
He is the Billboard & Lo Nuestro winner..

Latinamerica is a mix of 24 different countries united by a language ( spanish) the third most spoken language in the world.The fact that we can produce most of the music that people consume in those
countries and you can find bachata classes from Argentina to Israel and Holland say a little bit more that the ignorance of Mr Roystone.

Maybe this dominican hater he should learn a couple steps in his kangaroo republic and study a little bit before speaking nonsense.

Ignorance can be a bless,so you are almost St Roy .
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 10 Jun 2012 5:32 AM
From: Haiti
SPINACH
Ok, is just to know I ask you the question. Like you I am a prood Haitian, and I am here to educate the ignorant Dominican.
I KNOW A DAY haiti will come back and close the loud mouth of ALL PEOPLE IN THIS EARTH.
YES WE CAN, we are too much rich for to be poor!
We stay poor because before we don't have no government for defend us, for manage us, but now I feel a new wind in HAITI. We have competent and willing person to work for haitian people.
Soon we going answer DR a new answer. The border will be protect. too MUCH DOMINICANS come here. HAITI is come back do you know in europe I hear a lot of people see a travel for haiti for 5 days is for 850 EUROS plane + hotel? our beautiful minister of tourist make a great job. She is tireless! VAMOS HAITI, viva HAITI un hermoso pais que tiene un pueblo muy amable!
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 10 Jun 2012 8:38 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

I'm an individual first and Dominican second. No liking Bachata, Merengue, Salsa, Reggae, or Rap and preferring Opera, does not make me any less Dominican, just a little weird.
But that's ok, all music isn't for everyone, there's a genre for every taste.

Music does not need be world famous, just what you enjoy listening to in the privacy of your home. A big problem arises when others try to force their brand of music onto you..... People think theirs is the best there is, and will prove it to you by blasting the stereo so as to try to wake the dead.

One thing's for sure, ALL music is beautiful to one person or another but not to everyone in general..




Written by: airgordo, 10 Jun 2012 9:40 AM
From: Dominican Republic
THIS stupid Article is PROOF of what DRUGS can do with the Human Brain!! you have to be DRUGGED and FLYING HIGH to give credit to the statements attributed to this world bank guy
Written by: airgordo, 10 Jun 2012 9:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: KISKEYAMAN
From: Haiti
SPINACH
Ok, is just to know I ask you the question. Like you I am a prood Haitian, and I am here to educate the ignorant Dominican.
I KNOW A DAY haiti will come back and close the loud mouth of ALL PEOPLE IN THIS EARTH.
YES WE CAN, we are too much rich for to be poor!
We stay poor because before we don't have no government for defend us, for manage us, but now I feel a new wind in HAITI. We have competent and willing person to work for haitian people.
Soon we going answer DR a new answer. The border will be protect. too MUCH DOMINICANS come here. HAITI is come back do you know in europe I hear a lot of people see a travel for haiti for 5 days is for 850 EUROS plane + hotel? our beautiful minister of tourist make a great job. She is tireless! VAMOS HAITI, viva HAITI un hermoso pais que tiene un pueblo muy amable!
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Ohh Lord haha!! I also hope that day will come, perhaps that day something GOOD finally comes from the west
Written by: airgordo, 10 Jun 2012 9:55 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: dreadlocks
From: United States
stillhere, it is because of people like Caca that they invented the word Dumbinican. he, she, or it, calls Juan Luis Guerra the best musician in the world. you can tell that someone who says that has never gotten out of the ghetto, to go see what real musicians are like. never seen a live concert. never heard good music. the most complicated stuff they have ever heard is tipico. as to their achievements...the last time the DR won a major tournament was in 1948. never since. in the biggest competitition on earth,the Olympics, they have produced ONE world class runner. ONE medal in track. never had a world heavyweight boxing champion. never even won a bronze in baseball, at the olympics. their biggest talent is making excuses for getting their asses kicked, by teams like Australia,and Chinese Taipei. they are the brst in basketball now, to hera Caca tell it. never had a Hall of Fame player, but they are the best.
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COMPLETE sports ignoranc
Written by: dreadlocks, 10 Jun 2012 10:34 AM
From: United States
Caca, you still are avoiding the question. when last did a team from the DR win a major tournament, in anything? let me tell you. 1948! at least, every 4 years, JAMAICA goes to the olympics, and dominates sprinting, even though it has a population of only 2.7 million. when our athletes are on the medal stands, your guys are in the showers. you have all those great stars, and cannot win anything. no Dominican has ever set a world record, in any sport. we set the sprint records, and break them. you claim to be so great in basketball, yet we have a Hall of Fame player, and you do not. it is not even a sport that we play on a regular basis. we have had two world heavyweight boxing champions, and a number 1 contender. we have had several other world boxing champions. what do you have? great teams, on paper. well, the sports are played on the field, which is something you are yet to learn. besides, your asinine remark about money talking just shows why people laugh at Dominicans
Written by: dreadlocks, 10 Jun 2012 10:38 AM
From: United States
the purpose of sports is competition, and excellence, not making money. if the abilities of people were measured by money, then rappers and hip hop nitwits would be considered better musicians than concert violinists. i fail to see how you can claim to live in America, and continue to be so ignorant, backward, illiterate, primitive,unexposed, and basically simple minded. i realize that knowledge is in short supply in the village you crawled out of, but take some time to get out of Washington Heights, and familiarize yourself with the 21st century world. you speak about Juan Luis Guerra being the best musician in the world, and the difficulty of playing bachata guitar. i will bet that you cannot name 10 famous, accomplished guitarists without going to wikipedia.
Written by: dreadlocks, 10 Jun 2012 10:41 AM
From: United States
says airgordo

COMPLETE sports ignoranc

so, educate me. show me where i am wrong.
Written by: dreadlocks, 10 Jun 2012 10:46 AM
From: United States
says RonEvane

People think theirs is the best there is, and will prove it to you by blasting the stereo so as to try to wake the dead.

i do not listen to music that needs to be played loudly. music reproduction systems in the DR are penis statements. mine is bigger than yours. so, they build monstrosities that are capable of waking the dead, to make a size statements. in close to 30 years here, i have never heard ONE decent stereo system, except for one owned by a friend of mine, which i put together.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 10 Jun 2012 10:51 AM
From: Haiti
airgordo,
A lot of things well begin since a long time here.
But the journalist of your country prefere say only the bad news.
Do you know a lot of DOMINICANS LEAVE YOUR DR TO LOOK FOR A JOB?
A lot of DOMINICANS DON't want share the good news in DR.
Because he said me, it's not a good idea to see TOO much Dominicans here.
IN HAITI, THE DOMINICANS ARE NOT ATTACKED LIKE YOU DO IT IN DR. YOU ATTACK ONE HAITIAN YOU ARE 20. A LOT OF COWARD IN THIS ISLAND WHO ATTACK A LOT OF INNOCENT PERSONS.
Written by: dreadlocks, 10 Jun 2012 10:53 AM
From: United States
SALSA BANDS OTHER THAN PUERTO RICO AND USA

Dimension Latina...Venezuela
Oscar De Leon..Venezuela

Orquesta De La Luz...Japan

Grupo Niche...Colombia

MERENGUE BANDS, OTHER THAN DOMINICAN REPUBLIC

?????

Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 10 Jun 2012 11:01 AM
From: Haiti
dreadlock
i forbid you to speak like than about haiti. if you have a problem with dr i can understand but you have respect the first nation black of the world.
i am not sure the jamaican are so strong like the haitians. your country is better in this moment because a lot of white people have your ressource.
before i was proud to the jamaican but now i am not because you think you are superior. it's a joke, jamaica is not a great nation, like haiti.
a lot of jamaican cry to come make business in haiti. haiti is your master u have to respect that!
Written by: Atabey, 10 Jun 2012 11:02 AM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Jun 2012 12:13 PM
From: United States
hey, Ho, i do not see your guys on this list of 100 greatest artists of all time

11 - Bob Marley
12 - Beach Boys
13 - Buddy Holly
14 - Led Zeppelin
15 - Stevie Wonder
16 - Sam Cooke
17 - Muddy Waters
18 - Marvin Gaye
19 - Velvet Underground
20 - Bo Diddley

they left off antony santos? what a shame."



What do all the individuals listed by Dready have in common?

They have English as their language of creation. The lingua Franca of our modern world is English and sadly, for those who create in Spanish, the market is still far behind in appreciation and market share. You lucked out by having England as colonial masters Dready. Switch English for Spanish and J and ALL its musical talent, however, talented would be little known beyond hard core music aficionados of the world.

So let's have a little more balance in your take. :-)
Written by: Atabey, 10 Jun 2012 11:08 AM
From: United States, NYC
Dready,

YOU STILL>>>>>HERE......have NOT answered how your number, $30 dollars difference squares with the actual numbers put out by The World Bank, IMF, and CIA.



OJO! Be careful with Dready's numbers. He neither gave his source nor provided a date for the information.

My three sources give DR an advantage over Jamaica of:

DR US$ 300 more than Jamaica (CIA, 2011)

DR US$ 1, 677 more than Jamaica ( WORLD BANK, 2011)

DR US$ 258 more than Jamaica ( IMF, 2011)


Or an average of US$ 745 more for DR than Jamaica!

And please remember THE TRENDING!!! If the growth rates provided by these organizations are valid, then DR's advantage will INCREASE over time.



So what's up with yea number, $30, Dready? That Magic 8 Ball ain't blowing more hot air? LOL


Written by: dreadlocks, 10 Jun 2012 11:10 AM
From: United States
i firmly agree that Bob Marley would not have had the degree of success that he enjoyed, had he been a singer in a different language. he still would have had the same degree of TALENT. anyone who does not recognize his talent should be confined to a mental institution.
Written by: airgordo, 10 Jun 2012 11:13 AM
From: Dominican Republic
you are wrong on:

1- Your "baseball and the olimpics" statement and the reason why we have not won any medal on Olimpic baseball, there a BIG reason for that called MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, the SAME reason why the baseball sport was kicked out of the olimpics, the same reason why NO country with HIGH baseball MLB player production has achieved NOTHING as well, just FYI the DR is the biggest MLB player producer after the US.

2- Yes we have produced ONE track olimpic champion AS WELL AS BOXING olimpic Champion and Taekwon Do Silver Medalist, can you type here what OLIMPIC stuff has jamaica produced appart from Track people?

3- So all the Boxing champions and Boxing in general that should care are the Heavy wheights? by the way champions, from WHICH of the 3 or 4 different pro boxing institutions?

Actually you can even source from Pan American Games as well which are the level just below Olimpics, let's see what can be said about achievements on sports, repeat SPORTS with
Written by: Atabey, 10 Jun 2012 11:16 AM
From: United States, NYC


I said: "...however, talented..."

There are some talented musicians in the world that go largely unknown and under-appreciated by most of the world. Their only sin is that they create in non-English, non-western languages.


Written by: airgordo, 10 Jun 2012 11:17 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: dreadlocks, 10 Jun 2012 10:46 AM
From: United States
says RonEvane

People think theirs is the best there is, and will prove it to you by blasting the stereo so as to try to wake the dead.

i do not listen to music that needs to be played loudly. music reproduction systems in the DR are penis statements. mine is bigger than yours. so, they build monstrosities that are capable of waking the dead, to make a size statements. in close to 30 years here, i have never heard ONE decent stereo system, except for one owned by a friend of mine, which i put together.
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Cool! so YOU ARE the man! LOL
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Jun 2012 11:21 AM
From: Australia
Atabey,
Gee, I thought Julio Iglesias sang in Spanish. So those 100 million records he sold were in English?
Written by: airgordo, 10 Jun 2012 11:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 10 Jun 2012 10:51 AM
From: Haiti
airgordo,
A lot of things well begin since a long time here.
But the journalist of your country prefere say only the bad news.
Do you know a lot of DOMINICANS LEAVE YOUR DR TO LOOK FOR A JOB?
A lot of DOMINICANS DON't want share the good news in DR.
Because he said me, it's not a good idea to see TOO much Dominicans here.
IN HAITI, THE DOMINICANS ARE NOT ATTACKED LIKE YOU DO IT IN DR. YOU ATTACK ONE HAITIAN YOU ARE 20. A LOT OF COWARD IN THIS ISLAND WHO ATTACK A LOT OF INNOCENT PERSONS.
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Dominicans NOT attacked on Haiti?? hahahaha, yeah right, that is why our company had to stop doing freight trips to haiti, but you are right! they don't attack them, they hold you hostagefor a ramson...i'm not one of these ignorants who write here from 1st wrold countries talking BS about stuff that they don't know, I SEE THIS EVERY DAY.
Written by: airgordo, 10 Jun 2012 11:25 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Jun 2012 11:21 AM
From: Australia
Atabey,
Gee, I thought Julio Iglesias sang in Spanish. So those 100 million records he sold were in English?
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ONE case on thousands...ONE single case which by the way is NOT a musician! just a singer...
Written by: williom, 10 Jun 2012 11:44 AM
From: United States
I grew up listening to Julio Iglesias in French, Spanish, English. Over 300 million records sold, 77 albums released in 14 different languages -GREAT accomplishment.
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Jun 2012 11:44 AM
From: Australia
Dready notes

"ever listen to bachata? the same 4 major chords . repeated over and over."

Absolutely correct. But maybe you haven't listened to Dominican Meringue. That's just 2 chords, the dominant and the tonic, 2 bars each, repeated ad nauseam. Go in to any Dominican bar (if you don't mind damaging your ears) and watch the "dancing" that goes with it - walking on the spot when almost to drunk to stand up. It's good for a laugh!

Written by: RoyStone, 10 Jun 2012 11:57 AM
From: Australia
LaCacata, displays his spectacular igoorance again with

"Latinamerica is a mix of 24 different countries united by a language ( spanish)"

By far the biggest country in Latin America (by population, area, or cultural and musical diversity) is Brazil and they don't speak Spanish, they speak Portuguese!
Written by: dreadlocks, 10 Jun 2012 12:06 PM
From: United States
says yet one more sabelotodo, airgordo, that no country which has a high MLB representation has ever achieved anything in Olympic baseball

Bronze
1992 Barcelona Cuba Chinese Taipei Japan
1996 Atlanta Cuba Japan United States
2000 Sydney United States Cuba South Korea
2004 Athens Cuba Australia Japan
2008 Beijing South Korea Cuba United States

that´s funny. i see the USA has won a gold, and two bronzes. hmmm....there is a certain country i do not see on this list...who could that be?
Written by: dreadlocks, 10 Jun 2012 12:09 PM
From: United States
says airgordo

3- So all the Boxing champions and Boxing in general that should care are the Heavy wheights? by the way champions, from WHICH of the 3 or 4 different pro boxing institutions?

sorry, but i cannot translate gibberish.

Written by: RoyStone, 10 Jun 2012 12:11 PM
From: Australia
"Maybe this dominican hater he should learn a couple steps in his kangaroo republic and study a little bit before speaking nonsense."

Yeah, I've danced Bachata in the Dominican Republic, Salsa and Meringue too. The Dominican Salsa is sh!t-easy compared to Salsa in other countries, including Australia.

I have stayed in Argentina, Brazil, Chile and Colombia too, and would have to say the Dominican Republic is a cultural desert compared to those other Latin countries music and dance-wize.
Written by: dreadlocks, 10 Jun 2012 12:16 PM
From: United States
says airgordo

Cool! so YOU ARE the man! LOL

not really. when i go to a hi fi stereo site, of which i am a member, i do not even bother to post. compared to the guys there, i know nothing. they are so far ahead of me, and know so much more, that i never have written anything that is not a question for help , and advice. that is the difference between i and sabelotodos. i know my limitations. i know when i am out of my depth. i know when to shut my mouth, and open my ears, and eyes. some guys here, such as Atabey, never spent a day in economics class, but want to argue with someone with a graduate degree, a graduate diploma, and who taught the subject to adults. they have no idea of mathematics, nor statistics, but want to correct people who studied it in universities. then they get upset when you point out their ignorance.
Written by: dreadlocks, 10 Jun 2012 12:26 PM
From: United States
says RoyStone

Absolutely correct. But maybe you haven't listened to Dominican Meringue. That's just 2 chords, the dominant and the tonic, 2 bars each, repeated ad nauseam.

i noticed,in the early 2000s, that EVERY Dominican merengue band in the USA used the same keyboard, a KORG M1. with so many advanced keyboards out there to choose from, i was compelled to ask one guy why everyone used the same instrument. his reply was that it produced the ¨correct¨sound. i kid you not! the correct sound! every band wanted to sound like the other! then they tell you that reggae is repetitive. heck, since the 1980s, reggae keyboard players have been using a brace of keyboards, usually a stack with 3 or 4 different types, to get different sounds. every merengue band has the same musician lineup with the alto sax being the obligatory instrument in every one. then they have the nerve to compare it to salsa, with big brass sections, and serious orchestration, not to mention a complete drum set.
Written by: Atabey, 10 Jun 2012 12:36 PM
From: United States, NYC
Get your facts right Dready:

Salsa is something you put on pasta, not in reality a music genre! Cuban Mambo, Son and Guaguanco are and have been the sources from which a COMMERCIALIZATION under the SALSA name came about. Pacheco and Masucchi and the rest called it Salsa BECAUSE they didn't want to pay royalties for all the Cuban songs they copied and used. If you have any sense of recollection, even the Great Timbalelo Tito Puente, forcefully made this point every time people made the mistake. Don't continue to peddle false knowledge.
Written by: dreadlocks, 10 Jun 2012 12:53 PM
From: United States
i am fully aware of how Salsa came about, Atabey. do not go buying any medals for yourself, thinking you educated me. regardless of its origins, it is an existing musical genre, even if by evolution, just like reggae evolved from the ska, but no longer goes by that name. so spare me the Wiki Wisdoms. i believe i have been listening to Salsa a heck of a longer time than you have. when i was watching big salsa bands in NYC clubs, you were still using latrinas in some outback village beyond Laguna Salada.
Written by: LaCacata, 10 Jun 2012 1:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
..Uff. I dont know where to start answering the nonsense of the anti dominicans "rastafari world bank analyst" Dready and "kangaroo man" Roy..

When they told you that Korg was the right kind of Keyboard to be used he was right.. There are sounds that you can not have in any other brand that make it special.The drums and guiras ( the most basic things)have to be with a LOT of specification and not to mention the bachata guitar..( You just can not buy it ANY store in the world).

For people that doenst know , merenge that it’s a very natural rhythmic, for us Dominicans, it’s very difficult for a foreign musician to play.

But for sure you can not get any instrument and any musician to play it.The regular arpeggios that you could find in any bachata song are EXTREMELY difficult to exercise, but you could get on you tube in 5 minutes and play like John Lennon himself.

Conclusion: it takes 10 minutes to play rock or reggae but it takes a musician to play bachata..
Written by: LaCacata, 10 Jun 2012 2:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
@Roysone:D.R is a cultural desert related to Argentina, Chile, Brazil, and colombia?

I've been living in a couple of those places .And to say the least, southamerica listen to A LOT of D.R. music. My girlfriend is coming from there, and she only hears dominican music.
We 're the heart of spanish culture..


But maybe you can ilustrate me with your beautiful traditional aboriginal music..




@ Dready: merengue is a two chord music? LOl..Not even the VERY old ones..Merengue have been around since 19 th century,and now it's a very rich mix of indians, spaniards, cubans, germans african and electronic instruments, with a great complexity.
But reggae..uff.. ALL of them with the chords..ALL

That's make it SOOOOO boring!

It really sucks that in 21th century you still could find these individuals mentally restricted to dark years of colonialism,something we overcome 168 years ago, one from a penitenciary colony and the other like slave for the Queen.
Just pitiful
Written by: stillhere, 10 Jun 2012 2:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic

I think some may be missing the main point.....

Music is all about personal taste. To label and define just one as "The best in the world" is just horse s...t.
If you had said "I think" or "to me he is the best". then you would look less of a fool than you have made yourself to be..

Yes Juan Luis Guerra is a good musician and I like his music...all on here would agree that he is a very accomplished musician, even if they may not like his music they would appreciate his talent......
But for you to place your personal opinion and taste as the defining mark and label it as "The best musician in the world" ,,,??? Well I would suggest you find a good proctologist to give you a quote to have your head removed from you ass for such a ignorant and illogical statement.
Written by: LaCacata, 10 Jun 2012 2:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..


@ stillhere..Instead of being a smart ass.. tell me a better one, cuz humbly I dont know..
Written by: stillhere, 10 Jun 2012 2:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic

@ stillhere..Instead of being a smart ass.. tell me a better one, cuz humbly I dont know..

You don't know what???
A better what?? Band? Musician? Doctor to go and see?
Written by: LaCacata, 10 Jun 2012 3:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
Forget about it.. you are too stupid..
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 10 Jun 2012 3:28 PM
From: Haiti
airgordo,
You have kidnaping process everywhere in the world. If the nasty boy attack a person is not because those persons are Dominicans.
Even the haitians was victims about kidnapping. But now we have more security here.
THE HATIANS ARE VICTIMS OF KIDNAPPING IN DR ALSO.Ministers of the Haitians living abroad was the victim of theft in JERMANI. IN DR you have lots of problem of kidnapping and safety Haiti. DOMINICANS but journalists do not talk about. That's all.
The DOMINICANS WANT The cake and eat it too. They want to be the only ones able to return to Haiti to deliver their goods and when two HAITIAN want to do the same, they do not want. It is normalTHAT HAITIANS REFUSE THIS DEAL.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 10 Jun 2012 3:33 PM
From: Haiti
AIRGODO2
It's for that the haitians refuse that the dr come.
Dominicans send their goods and are afraid of competition HAITIAN. Dominicans love rum HAITIAN, but CUSTOMS DOMINICANS are paid by the Dominican companies for REFUSE THOSE HAITIANS products COME IN DR because the will lost a lot. THE RUM HAITIAN ARE BETTER THAN DR. AND THE BEER OF HAITIANS IS VERY GOOD, even HEINEKEN WANT BUY IT.
THE PROBLEM IS THE DOMINICANS THINK HAITI IS THEIR COUNTRY, the want only have the market haitian but he forbade their market to the HAITIANS. SOON THE THINGS WILL CHANGE. THE AIM NOW IS TO MAKE MORE TAX TO THE PRODUCT DOMINICANS FOR PROTECT OUR PRODUCT. YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE MOST INTELLIGENT THAN THE HAITIANS, It's a great mistake. Now HAITI have A government who work for us.
Written by: stillhere, 10 Jun 2012 4:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic

If you don't know how to ask a straight forward question then I think your delusion is complete.

To say I'm to stupid. hahahaha I'm not the one to make a statement regarding something to be "the best", when it clearly can't be measured on personal opinions..

"tell me a better one, I'll take a guess to what you maybe trying to ask here.
"Tell me a better one" Are you asking me to name a better musician??
I could name you groups or individual musicians I would consider to be the best but it would be a only my personal opinion and have no merit with someone else that may not like or have never heard it.. Where would one start.. how would something like "the best musician" be defined??
How many instruments they play? How many records they sell? How long will their music be remembered and played by others??? It just each to their own personal likes and dislikes..
Written by: stillhere, 10 Jun 2012 4:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic

"cuz humbly I dont know.." You have failed long before in any attempt to be humble so don't try now.... we just aren't buying it....

"Forget about it.. you are too stupid.." The war cry of an agreement lost...
Written by: LaCacata, 10 Jun 2012 5:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..


@stillhere
Nevermind, again, you are too stupid..
Written by: stillhere, 10 Jun 2012 5:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Oh please point out my stupidity...

I'm must be to stupid to know what the stupid thing I said was....
Please enlighten me oh wise one...

No... please show me the errors of my ways, ask me the question and give me the answers so I too can fake some semblance of intelligence...
Written by: LaCacata, 10 Jun 2012 5:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..

I already answer your questions a couple times..Obviously for one of two reasons:
1.-You are not reading or paying atention
2.- You are too stupid..

I think answer is option # 2
Written by: stillhere, 10 Jun 2012 5:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: stillhere, 10 Jun 2012 2:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I think some may be missing the main point..... ect ect..

Reply
@ stillhere..Instead of being a smart ass.. tell me a better one, cuz humbly I dont know..

My reply
"You don't know what???
A better what?? Band? Musician? Doctor to go and see?"

Next reply.
@stillhere
Nevermind, again, you are too stupid..

Next reply.
@stillhere
Nevermind, again, you are too stupid..
I already answer your questions a couple times..Obviously for one of two reasons....

Where did you answer my question? That was a question about what your question was???

Sorry but I do failed to see you answered anything...
Written by: cheflord522, 10 Jun 2012 6:40 PM
From: United States, Boston, Mass,
RoyStone/Airgordo
Anti Dominicans hate moguls....who the hell put in your head that music has to be judged by how many bars and so on...I don't think that bachata is complicated or merengue for that matter, the point in bachata is tha this music was created with the heart of who ever took a guitar and started playing in some bar after a few drinks, and with their heart they played, most of the time people who never seen a music note in their lives or knew who the F Beethoven was, they sang like that because they felt it, but you guys would not know about that....let me say this bachata is so easy to you...pick up a guitar and become famous by refining the living hell out it, idiots racist mongols.
By the way I have been to Colombia , Venezuela and Argentina as well....you can tell people who do not know these country that they are superior , to some who's been there...you would have to stick your stupid heads in your nasty buts
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 10 Jun 2012 7:44 PM
From: Haiti
the new dominicans president will break their teeths. this guy is anti-haitian. he just opened the hunt for haitians living in dominican rep. i ask all haitians who live over there to come back in haiti. this is a great call for you my compatriot. this land is not good for haitians. you have to leave this country and we have a good answer we prepare for dr. don't worry soon we will give theim their answer. dr steal their energies and now they think they are a developped country.
we have an answer than the dominicans will not forget. all haitians we going to take you in dr for come back. leave this racist land.
Written by: KISKEYAMAMA, 10 Jun 2012 8:58 PM
From: Haiti
kiskeyaman my retarded babie,i spank the dodo out of you too hard
dropped you on yo' big ol' head too many times
it is my fault for yo' mental state.
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Jun 2012 9:41 PM
From: Australia
stillhere,
Of course you are correct that music is a personal taste.

However valid international comparisons can be made, based on the collective opinion of the majority of people, and the most accurate, quantitative measure of that is validated world recording sales, and Wikipedia has some definitive figures on them.

The bottom line is, there are no world-class Dominican acts mentioned. With not much more population, Australia has many amongst the top.

It is understandable that the Dominican Republic has virtually no music recording industry because like everything else, Dominincans don't buy something if they can steal, copy or pirate it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists
Written by: LaCacata, 10 Jun 2012 10:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
@Roystone:
You are speaking about your traditional aboriginal music?Right?

It's incredible that , after 200 years of being a penitenciary colony , they still have the same retrograde mentality , the need to adore a Queen that dont wanna know anything about them..
It's WAY absurd in the middle of 21st century.. Specially when the monarchy took care of almost 1 million souls of your indigenous population.. ( They love Gold! )

Just an ilogical mental attachment to your 19 century english colonialism..

To respect your queen , whose family has done a lot of pillege and looting with the blood of indigenous people , it 's simply unreasonable .
Like a neo nazi-jewish fan , it doenst make sense..

Shameful, so i guess that we can teach what democracy and mental freedom is, and the GREAT PRIVILEDGE, that for good or bad, we are master of Our own destiny, thanks to the fathers of our nation , (Not to the bloodsucker Queen of england! )

Written by: RoyStone, 10 Jun 2012 11:18 PM
From: Australia
Ignorance of British and Australian history is forgivable, considering the abysmal state of Dominican education, but being totally clueless of Dominican history, as LaCacata is, is deplorable. If he had the slightest idea about either, he would not make such bold, hypocritical and totally false proclamations.
Written by: airgordo, 10 Jun 2012 11:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: dreadlocks
From: United States
says yet one more sabelotodo, airgordo, that no country which has a high MLB representation has ever achieved anything in Olympic baseball

Bronze


that´s funny. i see the USA has won a gold, and two bronzes. hmmm....there is a certain country i do not see on this list...who could that be?
---

OTHER than the USA, which does NOT imposes the same rules TO THEMSELVES, you are a jamaican dude trying to argue a Dominican about Baseball, that's simply ridiculous and PATHETIC, my word for you IS the word of god on THIS subject...i CLEARLY wrote about HIGH MLB representation, didn't see the WORD "HIGH"?...

I REPEAT this AGAIN:

Yes we have produced ONE track olimpic champion AS WELL AS BOXING olimpic Champion and Taekwon Do Silver Medalist, can you type here what OLIMPIC stuff has jamaica produced appart from Track people?

CAN YOU TYPE HERE what else on Olimpic SPORTS, with S, have you achieved?
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Jun 2012 11:37 PM
From: Australia
cheflord522,
I agree that the number of chords does not necessarily define the worth of music. Most Blues music has only 3 chords (tonic, sub-dominant and dominant 7th) only 5 notes (pentatonic scale with flattened 3rd and 7th) and nearly always in a 12-bar progression. However it has enormous feeling and soul, felt by people regardless of race, color, ethnicity or socioeconomic status. It is based on European church music, and traditional African chants and rhythms, melded by the lifestyle of early black Americans.

Bachata on the other hand is totally contrived, trite and soul-less. The first time I heard Aventura I thought it was an all-girl band playing background music for lifts, waiting rooms and supermarket isles. Perhaps less obnoxious than the music favored by Drunken Dominican youth, (with their pants falling down) blasting at 95 dB from the back of competing SUVs, Hip Hop.


Written by: airgordo, 10 Jun 2012 11:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Jun 2012 12:11 PM
From: Australia
"Maybe this dominican hater he should learn a couple steps in his kangaroo republic and study a little bit before speaking nonsense."

Yeah, I've danced Bachata in the Dominican Republic, Salsa and Meringue too. The Dominican Salsa is sh!t-easy compared to Salsa in other countries, including Australia.

I have stayed in Argentina, Brazil, Chile and Colombia too, and would have to say the Dominican Republic is a cultural desert compared to those other Latin countries music and dance-wize
---
Staying AT THE AIRPORT does not count as a visit to a country, the ONLY country that actually has a Bigger world wide recognized DANCE music is ARGENTINA, Brasil has NONE recognized at the level Bachata has reached AND STAYIED, chile, venezuela and colombia Dance OUR music.

IS MERENGUE not MERINGUE and is DOMINCAN not HAitian, if you had investigated the ORIGIN you would know there was not spanish guitar on Haiti or was it?...
Written by: airgordo, 10 Jun 2012 11:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 10 Jun 2012 3:33 PM
From: Haiti
AIRGODO2
It's for that the haitians refuse that the dr come.
Dominicans send their goods and are afraid of competition HAITIAN. Dominicans love rum HAITIAN, but CUSTOMS DOMINICANS are paid by the Dominican companies for REFUSE THOSE HAITIANS products COME IN DR because the will lost a lot. THE RUM HAITIAN ARE BETTER THAN DR. AND THE BEER OF HAITIANS IS VERY GOOD, even HEINEKEN WANT BUY IT.
THE PROBLEM IS THE DOMINICANS THINK HAITI IS THEIR COUNTRY, the want only have the market haitian but he forbade their market to the HAITIANS. SOON THE THINGS WILL CHANGE. THE AIM NOW IS TO MAKE MORE TAX TO THE PRODUCT DOMINICANS FOR PROTECT OUR PRODUCT. YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE MOST INTELLIGENT THAN THE HAITIANS, It's a great mistake. Now HAITI have A government who work for us.
---

Products...Do i have to remaind you that Eggs and Chicken from DR were BANNED into Haiti by the haitian Govement, and as far as i know they still are?
Written by: LaCacata, 11 Jun 2012 12:14 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..


@ Roystone: "bold, hypocritical and totally false proclamations"?

Do you think that anybody here would like to be part of the english monarchy?

How many millions of people have died trying to be free of English colonization?

Do you know they english monarchy institutionalize the buccaneers and filibusterians ( looting and pillage) in the caribbean ?

Do you know what happens to countries like china when they want to leave the colonization? ( Please study the Opium war) ?


Dont you feel sorry for the aboriginal people of your country that the english kill?

Is it ok that the british empire owns 1/5 of the world at the end of 19 century?




After you answer those questions with HONESTY, Dont you think that your Queen monarchy is most perverted medieval obsolet institution ever created by human being?



Roy, I guess that the next time you were looking for a "hypocritical " statemement, you should look at yourself in the mirror.





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Written by: Nehesy, 11 Jun 2012 7:54 AM
From: France, London / Paris
* Dominican Republic Music Legend is Johnny Pacheco aka el don de la sabrosura : no contest possible. He is your best and greatest world reference in terms of music.

NYC, Caribbean, South America ( he was an inspiration for the great Colombian salsero Joe Arroyo), Europe, Asia, Africa; in all these continents El Maestro Johnny Pacheco is a reference and a legend. In Africa he is considered as a living god, he has been honoured as an African Traditional chief in Ivory Coast 1 or 2 years ago. He went to Ivory Coast to participate to this ceremony.

* Merengue Tipico is very good : I like it a lot and Tatico Henriquez is the man. He sang with his heart and was a master accordionist

* Angel Viloria was very good too.

I really don't listen to the actual merengue ( Tipico and others) groups in the DR even if Wilman Pena or Narcisso are good ( Tatico henriquez' style though)

* Merengue , Bachata, Salsa : Dominicans have their pawns in the music game
Written by: Nehesy, 11 Jun 2012 8:17 AM
From: France, London / Paris
Now reggae has influenced millions of people , by his rhymth and spiritual side.

You have rastas all over the world : White, Black, Yellow

Even the island of Gorée ( West Africa) is like a little Jamaica, they are muslims but all of them have the dreadlocks hairstyle and listen to Bob Marley

Bob Marley & The Wailers , Peter Tosh, Third World, Burning Spear, Gregory Isaacs, Jimmy Cliff, Steel Pulse etc, etc heck we're all Jamaicans !

Bob Marley's music was music style enhanced with soul, electric guitar, with positive messages (War, Africa Unite, Zimbabwe) and powerful because very spiritual.

Now the new generation is kicking the Like of Capleton , Bounty Killer, Elephant Man, Beenie Man, Sean Paul etc. Noting that they mainly sing in their Jamaican Creole or Patwa and all over the world their dance style is taught or learned

Jamaica is definitely a world reference for music, culture & religion.
Written by: stillhere, 11 Jun 2012 9:29 AM
From: Dominican Republic
LaCacata

Just stop..... your not doing yourself a favors with the continued comments about subject you seem to have no idea about.... Which outwardly looks like all subjects...

I'm not going to bother with your comments, but would suggest you read some of your own and world history regarding the Spanish monarchy and "The new world" , before throwing stones in a glasshouse.....

Still can't find your answers to the question I asked about your question ??? Even after posting all replies from the original...well .. lets call it a "question" without a point of reference...
Care to point it out????

Roy... yes record sale are a comparison but record sales are also not a mark of true talent...
eg... "back street boy" have sold over 24 mil or Billy Ray Cyrus 20mil copies of just one of their albums..... is that a measure of a great musician??? I think not !! hahahahahhahaha





Written by: ScandiViking, 11 Jun 2012 9:43 AM
From: Norway
Stillhere,
your solution to exchange 6 million dominicans with 2 million Koreans will do wonders only if you park the rest of the dominicans a the domino table and let the Koreans and the Haitiens do the work.
Great idea - go ahead.
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Jun 2012 12:43 PM
From: United States
says Caca, the country bumpkin who never used a flush toilet before going to the USA, NOR EVER HAD ELECTRIC LIGHTS

When they told you that Korg was the right kind of Keyboard to be used he was right.. There are sounds that you can not have in any other brand that make it specia

I do not need a lecture in electronic instruments from a bush baby jungle bunny. i have been around synthesizers before you ever saw a knife and fork. the fact that everyone needs to make the same sound shows that the music is not creative, or everyone would seek his own signature. that is easy for educated people to understand, but some underprivileged cave dweller like you finds difficulty understanding it.
Written by: airgordo, 11 Jun 2012 12:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: ScandiViking, 11 Jun 2012 9:43 AM
From: Denmark
Stillhere,
your solution to exchange 6 million dominicans with 2 million Koreans will do wonders only if you park the rest of the dominicans a the domino table and let the Koreans and the Haitiens do the work.
Great idea - go ahead.
---

You are STILL writing on a DOMINICAN NEWS site...
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Jun 2012 12:54 PM
From: United States
says Airgordo

OTHER than the USA, which does NOT imposes the same rules TO THEMSELVES, you are a jamaican dude trying to argue a Dominican about Baseball,

yes, i am a Jamaican, arguing about baseball. you think Dominicans have a monopoly on baseball knowledge? who have you ever seen play the game? ever seen Tom Seaver pitch? Jerry Koozman? ever seen Hoyt Wilhelm? how about Lou Brock ? Bob Gibson?when i was watching these guys play, you were washing windshields in Sosua. if you are so great, how come you win nothing? oh, i know. your best stars cannot play. well, Chinese Taipei does not have too many major league all stars, does it? they should have a world tournament for making excuses, and shifting blame, and you guys would win gold, silver, and bronze. by the way, Lenox Lewis is every bit as Jamaican as Alex Rodriguez. gold medal, heavyweight boxing. shall i give you a list of all world boxing champions we have had?
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Jun 2012 12:58 PM
From: United States
says Nehesy

Jamaica is definitely a world reference for music, culture & religion.

that is the key. at least, when you listen to Marley, Spear, Tosh, you get positive messages, to uplift the human spirit. it contains thoughtful, intelligent messages. what do you get from a merengue song , in which the singer repeats La Vaca sixty times?
Written by: LaCacata, 11 Jun 2012 1:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
@dreadlock :and drug adiction,poverty ,crimes and homicide..!

it shows how drugs can destroy a society. Completely a world reference.!


And I love the positive message when you listen to Peter tosh and Co. asking to legalize drugs.. VERY positive message..And it's certainly improve the society..with a big educational value..!

:) What a jerk !

Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Jun 2012 1:38 PM
From: United States
i see where the cowardly silmeball, Atabey, opened a thread in the forum, attacking my knowledge of salsa, as if knowing the entire history of salsa is something that everybody should strive to do. he did it, because he knows that i no longer post in the forum, or respond to postings there. like father, like son. his father did not have the manliness to stick around and raise him, and he now has no idea of what it is to be a real man.
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Jun 2012 1:48 PM
From: United States
Caca states some childish, moronic opinions about drug legalization. here is my response

William F. Buckley, the dean of American conservatism and advocate of drug legalization, died Wednesday at his home in Connecticut. He was 82.

Buckley is one of the most brilliant minds of all time. he was an arch conservative, yet he advocated legalization. may others , in law enforcement, the legal community, and other circles, agree with him. most countries are moving toward some form of legalization, even if not to the degree of the Netherlands. so, Caca, your opinion does not count, since we all know that you have never read a book in your life, and can barely count to ten, if that high.
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Jun 2012 2:36 PM
From: United States
says Caca

And I love the positive message when you listen to Peter tosh and Co. asking to legalize drugs.. VERY positive message..And it's certainly improve the society..with a big educational value..!

stick to things you are able to understand, like jugando gallo, and getting drunk 7 nights a week.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 11 Jun 2012 3:41 PM
From: Haiti
AIRGODO
Do you know soon is not only your egg wil be forbiden,? ALL of your product will be forbiden. Is normal to forbade your eggs we were sicks.
Written by: ohhhvictor, 11 Jun 2012 4:15 PM
From: United States

@dreadlock:

You ARE defending the drug USE !


You will defend the drug use till you get rob by one of your friends using drugs, or you can go to a funeral of somebody close to you because he was using it...

And believe me.. It's pretty HEART BREAKING.. !

You will NEVER forget to see a friend of you in a COFFIN because one night he decided to use drugs.

I've seen so many families destroyed, change of lifestyle in VERY short time, violence,people in jail, broken futures, suddem deaths ( usually heart attacks) , hospitals,prostitution, etc, etc.
So MANY tears because the use of drugs ..

And you come happily saying good things about it..

Please take back your nasty comments ..That's SO DEPRESING.. !
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Jun 2012 7:17 PM
From: United States
who says i am defending drug use? where do i say that? i say that intelligent people are advocating the legalization of drugs, because it changes the economic dynamics, and reduces crime. the reason why it is so expensive, and attracts so many negative externalities, is because it is illegal. how many people do you see getting killed by rival corn flakes gangs? besides, drugs are illegal in the USA today, except in special cases. are people doing drugs there, today? are people joining drug gangs, as we speak? can people get drugs, today? what difference will legalization cause?
Written by: stillhere, 11 Jun 2012 7:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"rival corn flakes gangs"

They are some very ruthless sons of b#t&*es, don't for get the snap, crackle and pop gang.
Written by: stillhere, 11 Jun 2012 7:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic

If your so bored then I suggest you at the very lest use auto spell on your computer or read what you write before posting....

"oing" ???
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Jun 2012 7:49 PM
From: United States
SPINACH, i have elected to ignore you, for a variety of reasons. here goes

1...you are a troll.

2...i do not believe that you are Haitian

3..if you are, i would never insult you, in return. i do not kick a dog when he is down, and Haiti is the downest dog in the Western Hemisphere.

4..you just do not seem to be a guy whose elevator stops on all the floors. get help.
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Jun 2012 7:53 PM
From: United States
this is a sentiment i overheard about the rank and file Dominican, which is going to slow down any progress it hopes to make in the future

.. but the sad part is that it's just an indictment of the DR eduction system, that can't teach children when to shut up and listen if they don't really know.... To ask before assuming to know.... To be stubborn even when proven wrong....
Written by: ohhhvictor, 11 Jun 2012 8:00 PM
From: United States


@dreadlock:

When you need to get drugs, legalize or not, you will get it.. WHATEVER IT TAKES...
It wont prevent hospital, jail time, prostitution, roberies, death,etc, etc..

We will simply have more people hook up with drugs and more problems attached to it..

That's a VERY bad answer..
Written by: Atabey, 11 Jun 2012 8:01 PM
From: United States, NYC

Dready,

Pour a little sour mike in the corn flakes gang and see them go all soggy. LOL


Then you can learn a few Son Montuno steps while you eat your bowl.

Written by: Atabey, 11 Jun 2012 8:03 PM
From: United States, NYC
The posters are still waiting for your 30 dollar figure and how the World Bank, IMF, and CIA all differed by hundreds of dollars from your 30 dollar figure.

Where's the evidence Dready??


No have the evidence?

I thought so. Liar.
Written by: stillhere, 11 Jun 2012 8:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic

Yet alcohol and tobacco that kills more people than all of the others is alright??

I have lost more friend to drunk drivers than any illegal drugs.
And my money would be on, that for most on here it would be the same.
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 11 Jun 2012 8:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
That was funny, and sad at the same time, dready.

Kakaman(Quisqueya) go learn some english, then post here you troll.
Written by: LaCacata, 11 Jun 2012 9:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
@stillhere

I am lucky to never go to a funeral of a friend because drunk drinving..

But I have assist several for drug abuse.

And It sucks when somebody wanted to get "happy" in one night, and now they 're gone, young people

3 years ago, a relative of my ex did it.. This italian dude beat his pregnang girlfriend, kill her eventually.. try save the baby and rip her belly apart.. them he ranway to the woods of everglades and was found dead one week later hanging from a tree using the seat belt of his car..

His cousin , a very rich kid, was found dead and twisted on the floor of his bedroom 6 month later .His father, after the depression , died 6 month after that.

I 'll NEVER forget those funerals..

And some stupid people think that everything would be solve legalizing drugs...



Pitiful coments..

Just pitiful..
Written by: stillhere, 11 Jun 2012 10:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic

Don't get me wrong, all drug (including alcohol) related deaths are tragic.

"And some stupid people think that everything would be solve legalizing drugs."

I don't believe anyone has said legalizing drug would solve "everything".

Did prohibition solve anything?
No.. it just handed over the alcohol trade to gangs and the mob. Which is the major problem we have now with drugs... There is no easy solution to solving this problem, to continue to have billions of dollar yearly going to criminal gangs is not solving humanities need and use of drugs either...

Written by: RoyStone, 12 Jun 2012 1:47 AM
From: Australia
DONT_BE_SILENT,
Do you think that only Haitians find fault with the Dominican Republic? Even some Dominicans do, when they pull their head out of the sand. Try it some time.
Written by: dreadlocks, 12 Jun 2012 10:38 AM
From: United States
Atabey, here is one chart, which you might need someone who went to school to help you to decipher. i know that the math will stump you, but here goes

Bahamas $23,175
Trinidad & T. $16,693
Antigua $16,284
Barbados $15,799
St Kitts and Nevis $12,687
Grenada $7,913
St Lucia $7,522
Dominica $6,833
St Vincent & G $6,447
Dom. Rep. $5,406
Jamaica $5,376

the difference between 5406, and 5376, is 30 dollars. get it_ i did not think that you would.
Written by: dreadlocks, 12 Jun 2012 10:41 AM
From: United States
by the way, Professor Atabey, did you ever see the notation "est"after the figures? know what that means? know why they put it there?
Written by: LaCacata, 12 Jun 2012 11:34 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
what is that? lotto numbers? gdp? birthdays?
Written by: dreadlocks, 12 Jun 2012 12:17 PM
From: United States
LaCaca, i take it that you are a woman. should you not be in a car wash, somewhere, plying your trade, instead of just being yet one more idiotic irritant in this devolving site?
Written by: dreadlocks, 12 Jun 2012 12:41 PM
From: United States
Atabey, i read this little pronouncement of yours over in the forum

When the article says Developed, please understand that they mean first stage of the Development Status

would you care to clarify that statement? what exactly, in economic development terms, constitutes the first stage of development? can you point me to a working paper which outlines the idea, or is it just yet one more figment of your fertile imagination, which tells you that you are not really a motoconcho jockey, but a full blown economist?
Written by: Atabey, 12 Jun 2012 1:09 PM
From: United States, NYC
Why certainly Dready.

By first stage along the advance Stage development spectrum I mean the threshold of "GDP per capita in developed countries starts at US$12,300."

As I've stated, NO ONE SHOULD THINK that DR's problems will magically disappear even if her GDP per capita reaches 12, 300 by 2025! DR has many LEGACY PROBLEMS that will take several generations to get a handle on. The Education problems can not be, under the conditions existing in DR, surmounted in such a short period of time. It will take probably two generations going through FULL DAY SCHOOLING K-12 Program before we have an educated populace in DR. But even a Full Day Schooling option that is by 2025 in full operation will bring DR much relief in this crucial area of national deficit.

As for what a society with a GDP per capita of 12, 300 dollars is likely to have and be able to sustain just look around for countries with such an index and see what they can afford for their people.
Written by: josean, 12 Jun 2012 1:15 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"LEGACY PROBLEMS"

The Favorite rhetoric of the month from FUNGLODE!

Written by: Atabey, 12 Jun 2012 1:20 PM
From: United States, NYC
Dready:

International Monetary Fund (2011)

87 --D R -$9,287 --2011

World Bank (2010)

86--DR--- $9,350--2010


CIA World Fact book (2011)

-93- DR $9,300--2011 est.



This article includes three lists of countries by gross domestic product at purchasing power parity per capita, the value of all final goods and services produced within a country in a given year divided by the average (or mid-year) population for the same year.
Written by: stillhere, 12 Jun 2012 2:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Atabey
"When the article says Developed, please understand that they mean first stage of the Development Status"

Problem one... you are quoting an article that says developed is the first stage of development???
To make a correction for an article you are referencing is not a good start...
Should it not say developing, to have any real credit?? The author may need to have a better understanding of definitions between developed, developing and development before writing on that subject??? Just a thought??

Oh but you have changed it... mmmm??


Written by: LaCacata, 12 Jun 2012 2:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
i personally think that we all have been away from the main topic over here..

In the year 2025 , the GDP of D.R. would be the same as the first world nations.
That's awesome news, because we are not stuck in the present ,not going backward to the past and for sure we're advancing economically speaking.

Even with the gloom and doom from the anti dominicans Josean and the drug addict of dreadlock we are advancing step by step..

As a dominican born and raise , I am always impressed when I go to D.R. and see the infrastructure work done by the goverment ( how I can not be? )


I was with a friend of mine that had to go the capitals of central america for business trip and he was telling me : "those poor countries look like D.R. in the 70's "

The improvement in d.r economy is outstanding , specially in the last 15 years..

The improvement in exportations, skyline,investment, tourism, jobs, buildings, income, etc, is REMARKABLE..

Great job PLD !

Written by: RoyStone, 12 Jun 2012 3:49 PM
From: Australia
Measure of Dominican progress ...
the number of dumb-asses with smart-phones.
Written by: josean, 12 Jun 2012 3:53 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"In the year 2025 , the GDP of D.R. would be the same as the first world nations.
That's awesome news,"

Children love to believe in Fairy Tales!

Written by: josean, 12 Jun 2012 3:57 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Juxtaposed to:

Danilo Medina meets with WFP head

President-elect Danilo Medina announced yesterday, Monday 11 June that together with the United Nations World Food Program (WFP) he proposes to develop and implement an ambitious plan aimed at improving the quality of the school breakfast and the nutrition levels of the students who attend public schools and the residents of the rural areas of the country.

Medina held a meeting with WFP executive director Ertharin Cousin at his political office on Sarasota Avenue, where they discussed the idea of drawing up an agreement with the ministries of Education, and Public Health, to overcome the nutritional difficulties that affect the school population and a high percentage of Dominicans who live in the countryside.

"THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC IS AMONG THE COUNTRIES DEFINED AS MIDDLE-INCOME, AND THAT IT IS NOT LISTED AMONG THE COUNTRIES ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE INTERNATIONAL AID FOR THIS PURPOSE," SAID MEDINA.

DR1
Written by: josean, 12 Jun 2012 4:03 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


So apparently Danilo is saying that this Hyperbolic BS of exaggerating growth and development numbers by Lie-onel Fernandez and paid liars are affecting the DR’s ability to qualify for international assistance programs.

The PLD wants to have it both ways; i.e. we are too poor to be rich and too rich to be poor!




Written by: LaCacata, 12 Jun 2012 5:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
@ josean

I didnt know that the fairy tales work for the world bank..

Your lack of respect for notable international institutions is very unusual, but your ignorance and your nonsense metro PLD obssesion really cached my atention..

Maybe you should go to an university before you start speaking what chicken eat..l

Written by: josean, 12 Jun 2012 5:51 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"Maybe you should go to an university before you start speaking what chicken eat"


That’s very Freudian from some whose name is composed with Caca!



Written by: josean, 12 Jun 2012 5:57 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"I didnt know that the fairy tales work for the world bank..

Your lack of respect for notable international institutions is very unusual, but your ignorance and your nonsense metro PLD obssesion really cached my atention.."


Maybe you can read this and Teach us something Professor Caca:

Imperial Nature: The World Bank and Struggles for Social Justice in the Age of Globalization

by Michael Goldman

Yale Agrarian Studies Series

Why is the World Bank so successful? How has it gained power even at moments in history when it seemed likely to fall? This pathbreaking book is the first close examination of the inner workings of the Bank, the foundations of its achievements, its propensity for intensifying the problems it intends to cure, and its remarkable ability to tame criticism and extend its own reach.

continued:

Written by: josean, 12 Jun 2012 5:58 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"Michael Goldman takes us inside World Bank headquarters in Washington, D.C., and then to Bank project sites around the globe. He explains how projects funded by the Bank really work and why community activists struggle against the World Bank and its brand of development. Goldman looks at recent ventures in areas such as the environment, human rights, and good governance and reveals how—despite its poor track record—the World Bank has acquired greater authority and global power than ever before."

"The book sheds new light on the World Bank’s role in increasing global inequalities and considers why it has become the central target for anti-globalization movements worldwide. For anyone concerned about globalization and social justice, Imperial Nature is essential reading."




Written by: LaCacata, 12 Jun 2012 6:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..



ZZZZZZ zzzzzzzz ZZZZZZZZZ zzzzzzz
Written by: josean, 12 Jun 2012 6:43 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Nothing like the truth to Shut Somebody up eh Profesor Caca!


Written by: RoyStone, 12 Jun 2012 7:08 PM
From: Australia
I am not an exert on the workings of the World Bank, however I would have thought it is not in their interests to project a pessimistic (realistic in the case of the Dominican Republic) view of a client state, since it may negatively impact it's economy, hence it's ability to service current loans, or take out new, bigger loans, the core business of any bank.
Written by: dreadlocks, 12 Jun 2012 7:15 PM
From: United States
RoyStone, why do you bother to cast pearls before swine? do you realistically believe that these dumb asses really understand the workings of institutions like the Wold Bank?
Written by: dreadlocks, 12 Jun 2012 7:35 PM
From: United States
says the poor, unfortunate, sub illiterate Atabey

By first stage along the advance Stage development spectrum I mean the threshold of "GDP per capita in developed countries starts at US$12,300."

by your simple minded response, i take it that the following countries are developed nations

1...the Bahamas

2...Trinidad

3...Barbados

4...Antigua

5..ST Kitts

6..Equatorial Guinea

this is why i tell you that you need basics. background. text, and theory. you are out of your league in this matter.

Written by: LaCacata, 12 Jun 2012 7:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
numbers?
bahamas= U.S.dependant..
The rest of the Islands depend mostly of Oil , cruises and money laundry..
It doesnt really mean a proportional distribution of goods between people.They have nothing..

Most of these Island you can not even see them in a map..

I have a good friend of mine from Trinidad. He told me his family reunion here , there are 300 people.
how can it be 300 people here when everything was so good there?

Dready, your wikipedia reality is useless. Take your misery , ignorance and ganja back to jamaica, you should know that reality better , so called " World bank analyst" liar..

Learn something: D.R is la tierra de papa Dios!
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Jun 2012 7:48 PM
From: Australia
Josean states

"... we are too poor to be rich and too rich to be poor!"

Very succinct. Are they your own words? If so, I nominate them for inclusion in the DDQQ (Dready Depository of Quotable Quotes.)
Written by: dreadlocks, 12 Jun 2012 8:00 PM
From: United States
says Caca

Written by: LaCacata, 12 Jun 2012 7:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
numbers?
bahamas= U.S.dependant..
The rest of the Islands depend mostly of Oil , cruises and money laundry..
It doesnt really mean a proportional distribution of goods between people.They have nothing..


are you on break from your pole dancing job? proportional distribution? are you serious? 42% of Dominicans live below the poverty line. that is higher than the percentage of all the countries named. you really need remedial education. how do they give you welfare without demanding that you at least attempt some self improvement?
Written by: stillhere, 12 Jun 2012 8:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic

Dready.... what was that thing you overheard about education and the way people here learn or don't.....

Point in case "LaCacata" all comments ....

"... we are too poor to be rich and too rich to be poor!"
says it all....I'll second the nomination...
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Jun 2012 8:07 PM
From: Australia
LaCacata, declares

"I am 100 % sure that if you give away a mansion in Australia to anybody here in the forum , but they have to live there, nobody would take it!"

Since no-one has agreed with him so far, perhaps we could take a poll?

If, as a product of the Dominican education system you are not sure where Australia is, go to Wikipedia. While there you may also note that Melbourne is rated the most livable city in the world, and Sydney, Adelaide a Perth are in the to 10. No surprise that no city in the Dominican Republic makes it in to the to 100, since the country ranks amongst the most violent, corrupt and polluted in the world.

Interesting that thousands of boat-people risk their lives to enter Australia (without being offered a mansion), and that thousands of boat-people risk their lives to leave the Dominican Republic. They must be better informed than LaCacata.
Written by: LaCacata, 12 Jun 2012 8:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..
@dready

If 42 % live under poverty line, as far as I saw on unpaved streets of jamaica must be 95%..
The rest 5% are drug dealers


p.s. Do the have cars, tv's and radios there?
Written by: LaCacata, 12 Jun 2012 8:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..

@Roy
Well dude, I havent meet the first person that even in the worst nightmare want to even visit Australia for visiting, not to mention to settle down.


It's like Isla de Pascua, you know it exists, but does it worth a trip over there?
Written by: stillhere, 12 Jun 2012 10:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic

I'm an Australian too... Almost every person I meet ALL want to go... mind you they do tend to be better educated Dominicans. One of my neighbors just came back and he just wont shut up about it... The ones that don't... they don't know where it is or anything about it other than kangaroos..

Again Cacata... Just stop. it's now gone well beyond looking like a fool and now there is no doubt.

What is the saying?... keep quite and let everyone think you the fool, open your mouth and remove all doubt....
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Jun 2012 11:01 PM
From: Australia
LaCacata, boasts
"@Roy Well dude, I havent meet the first person that even in the worst nightmare want to even visit Australia for visiting, not to mention to settle down."

For Australia's sake, I'm pleased to know that.
Written by: josean, 12 Jun 2012 11:06 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Written by: RoyStone, 12 Jun 2012 7:48 PM

From: Australia

Josean states

"... we are too poor to be rich and too rich to be poor!"

Very succinct. Are they your own words? If so, I nominate them for inclusion in the DDQQ (Dready Depository of Quotable Quotes.)


No Roy they are not my own…… but I thank you for the undeserved nomination!


Written by: RoyStone, 12 Jun 2012 11:28 PM
From: Australia
LaCacata, asks
"Do the have cars, tv's and radios there?" (Jamaica)
He forgot to mention the latest iPhones and 95 dB stereos - the other Dominican yardsticks of development. Yes, the Dominican Republic is already a developed country. Who needs freeways or roads without pot-holes, a passenger and freight rail network, a postal service, a banking system, a judiciary, education or sewerage systems that work, electricity or potable water?
The modern hi-tech Dominican military couldn't fight it's way out of a brown paper bag, but hey, has more medal-laden generals than even Uncle Sam!
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 12 Jun 2012 11:55 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

"No surprise that no city in the Dominican Republic makes it in to the to 100, since the country ranks amongst the most violent, corrupt and polluted in the world."

Really, Roy? I didn't know that!.. Would you mind pointing me to that report/analysis?..
I don't doubt your contention. Just wanna know where you got it from.....You mind showing me?
Written by: RoyStone, 13 Jun 2012 12:03 AM
From: Australia
SPiNACH, responds
"@LaCacata
And that party , you told user Roystone that you went to and happened to be the only latino, well that can happen ,but that's nothing compare to how big Reggae has been since the early 60 s , the Jamaicans speak English don't forget and their beat is cool ,they ve influenced world wide musicians .including soul, pop , punk and more , I don't see any latin country capable of doing that . Macarena was a big hit mambo #5 and LaBamba but they were but one hit wonders . bob Markey is like Elvis in the world ."

Spinach, Caca was not just the only Latino at the party, apart from his blow-up doll, he was the only one full-stop, since the party was in his head. He was having another nightmare about living in a mansion in Australia, and being subjected to Bachata day and night. He woke and found he was still in his shanty-hut, with his cousins who had never heard of Australia, (or ever seen a book) and was still being subjected to monotonous Bachata.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Jun 2012 11:03 AM
From: United States
says Caca

If 42 % live under poverty line, as far as I saw on unpaved streets of jamaica must be 95%..
The rest 5% are drug dealers


p.s. Do the have cars, tv's and radios there?

when Jamaicans were being recruited to go to the USA, in the 1950s, because of their superior nursing skills, you and your goat relatives were running from Trujillo. the fact that you make such asinine remarks springs from the fact that your education system is among the worst in the world, and produces imbeciles like you, and Atabey, who can barely recognize your names on paper. talk about backward...there are things i saw in Puerto Rico in 1988, which still have not gotten here yet. if you never went to the USA, you would probably never have seen electric lights, and a flush toilet. when people here learn to use a handkerchief, and stop blowing snot everywhere, come back and talk to me. and, stop picking your nose in a crowd of onlookers. it is unsightly.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Jun 2012 11:08 AM
From: United States
like Atabey, Caca is a moron extraordinaire. look at this bit of wisdom

Most of these Island you can not even see them in a map..

i guess he, or she, is trying to tell us that the size of the country has a determinant effect on whether it is developed, or not. by its logic, the DR is more developed than the Principality of Monaco. the other thing written by this cave dweller is about monoculture. the other countries are not as developed as the DR, as they depend on one thing for revenue. by that logic, the DR is more advanced than places like Dubai, and Saudi Arabia, which have only oil as their economic foundation. this is what happens when people have an aversion to school.
Written by: LaCacata, 13 Jun 2012 11:15 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Chulin's Hole and an alley of Capotillo suburbs..



upps..sorry

Roystone rather to hear his traditional aboriginal music..
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Jun 2012 11:18 AM
From: United States
saw this on the internet today, Caca. would this be you, by any chance

I have been around Dominicans. I can believe it. They are so backwards compared to the Western world. One man I supervised, was 26 years old at the time and had a 14 year old WIFE, with 2nd child on the way, making about 9 dollars an hour. The jerk was going to lie to her, so he could go buy a 100 dollar ticket to an amusement park(that he could not afford), when the baby was on the way any day.
__________________
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Jun 2012 11:25 AM
From: United States
the writer forgot to mention that the guy sold the family's food stamps to buy the ticket to Great Adventure.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Jun 2012 11:34 AM
From: United States
the best question in the thread

Written by: SPiNACH, 13 Jun 2012 11:25 AM
From: Canada
Why
Is
Jamaica
Part
Of
This
Debate

because imbeciles like Caca and Atabey are too simple minded to follow the script.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Jun 2012 11:45 AM
From: United States
you were saying, Caca

Corruption within the government and the private sector, the
presence of international illicit trafficking cartels, a large informal
economy, and a fragile formal economy make the DR vulnerable
to money laundering and terrorist financing threats. The large
informal economy is a significant market for illicit or smuggled
goods. The under-invoicing of imports and exports by DR
businesses is a relatively common practice for those seeking to
avoid taxes and customs fees. U.S. law enforcement believes
there is some evidence that arms smuggling across Dominican
borders has reached systemic levels as there are identifiable
networks smuggling weapons into the DR from the U.S.
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Jun 2012 11:46 AM
From: United States
The
increase in drug related violence throughout the DR is partially
attributable to arms trafficking as evidenced by the seizures of
illicit weapons at ports of entry over the past year. The major
sources of laundered proceeds stem from illicit trafficking
activities, tax evasion and fraudulent financial activities,
particularly transactions with forged credit cards.

hmmm.....drugs? smuggling? money laundering? fraud? corruption? really? i am shocked!
Written by: stillhere, 13 Jun 2012 11:56 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Dready..
By Cacatas thinking places like Singapore or Honk Kong would have a very low GDP as you would struggle to see them on a map too... hahahhahahahha
Written by: stillhere, 13 Jun 2012 11:59 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: SPiNACH, 13 Jun 2012 11:26 AM
From: Canada
@Stillhere

Yeah , okay a Dominican telling others to learn English
What a joke ?

In reference to what?? Me to learn English or me telling others??
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Jun 2012 12:49 PM
From: United States
says stillhere

Written by: stillhere, 13 Jun 2012 11:56 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Dready..
By Cacatas thinking places like Singapore or Honk Kong would have a very low GDP as you would struggle to see them on a map too... hahahhahahahha

well, Caca would struggle to see them on a map, because he , or she, would not know where to start looking. as you might know, the DR placed 164 out of 191 countries tested for geographic aptitude . Atabey said that such a result is not important, because geography is no longer important, since we now have GPS. i kid you not!
Written by: airgordo, 13 Jun 2012 1:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: dreadlocks
From: United States
says Airgordo

yes, i am a Jamaican, arguing about baseball. you think Dominicans have a monopoly on baseball knowledge? who have you ever seen play the game? ever seen Tom Seaver pitch? Jerry Koozman? ever seen Hoyt Wilhelm? how about Lou Brock ? Bob Gibson?when i was watching these guys play, you were washing windshields in Sosua. if you are so great, how come you win nothing? oh, i know. your best stars cannot play. well, Chinese Taipei does not have too many major league all stars, does it? they should have a world tournament for making excuses, and shifting blame, and you guys would win gold, silver, and bronze. by the way, Lenox Lewis is every bit as Jamaican as Alex Rodriguez. gold medal, heavyweight boxing. shall i give you a list of all world boxing champions we have had?
---

THIS is 2012 not the 1970s, those times are long gone, now more than ever Money talks, they are assets not players...Lewis won for CANADA not Jamaica
Written by: jojosnogood, 13 Jun 2012 4:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
are u nuts.the dr will have nice buildings and 2 millon people below the poverty level more then half.if it keeps spending the way it is and do nothing to provide jobs for its people it will be much worse in 2025 then the present.no doubt
Written by: RoyStone, 14 Jun 2012 7:15 AM
From: Australia
RonEvane, asks

Would you mind pointing me to that report/analysis?..

Mostly Wikipedia, CIA Factbook, Dominican Today back articles, general Googleing and sometimes following links from Dready, Josean, Stillhere and others.
Written by: RoyStone, 14 Jun 2012 7:20 AM
From: Australia
Airgordo
Declares
"Lewis won for CANADA not Jamaica"

Yet when a Dominican wins for a USA team, it's a home run for the Dominican Republic. Please explain.

Written by: RoyStone, 14 Jun 2012 7:28 AM
From: Australia
LaCacata, babbles
"upps..sorry
Roystone rather to hear his traditional aboriginal music.."

Not sure what he's trying to say, but I'm not too keen on Aboriginal music. However unlike in the Dominican Republic, there are many other world-class Australian bands to chose from. Still I am proud of the fact there are many traditional Aboriginal musicians performing, as well as many Aboriginal bands playing their blend of Aboriginal, Country and Rock music. I saw Yothu Yindi (from the remote Gove Peninsula where I have stayed) performing as support band for Santana. I don't think he was just being polite when Carlos Santana showed how impressed he was. (He's such a huge star, he doesn't need to kiss anyone's butt)

How many genuine traditional Taino bands are there in the Dominican Republic?
Written by: RoyStone, 14 Jun 2012 7:42 AM
From: Australia
stillhere,
Be reasonable. You don't need to know geography or to own a GPS if you never go further from your shanty than the bar and the banca.
Written by: Atabey, 14 Jun 2012 9:29 AM
From: United States, NYC
"THIS is 2012 not the 1970s, those times are long gone, now more than ever Money talks,"

And Dominicans in 2012 that play the sport of Baseball are justly among the highest paid professionals.


Oops!!
Written by: Atabey, 14 Jun 2012 9:37 AM
From: United States, NYC
Says Batty Boy Dready,

"By first stage along the advance Stage development spectrum I mean the threshold of "GDP per capita in developed countries starts at US$12,300."

by your simple minded response, i take it that the following countries are developed nations

1...the Bahamas

2...Trinidad

3...Barbados

4...Antigua

5..ST Kitts

6..Equatorial Guinea"


His simpleton minded response on display, Batty Boy Dready appears to not understand the difference between a nation of perhaps 12 or 13 million by 2025 and these small islands and inlets in the Caribbean and one in Africa.

Notice, however, that nowhere in sight is Jamaica. At least Batty Boy Dready knows when he's beat.
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Jun 2012 9:42 AM
From: United States
that does it. i am no longer going to have every male in the Dominican Republic DNA tested to establish your paternity. you have made me really mad.
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Jun 2012 9:49 AM
From: United States
His simpleton minded response on display, Batty Boy Dready appears to not understand the difference between a nation of perhaps 12 or 13 million by 2025 and these small islands and inlets in the Caribbean and one in Africa.


singapore is 274 square miles. anything else?

oh, before i forget about small places...

Principality of Monaco....less than 1 square mile in size. per capita GDP...170,000

anything else, genius?
Written by: Atabey, 14 Jun 2012 10:05 AM
From: United States, NYC

Notice how you define "development" when in my original take I MADE CLEAR that it was only the first stage of the process towards a Developed Stage. No where is it stated by me that DR would be a developed State when reaching 12,300 GDP. But that "small detail" just happened to go unnoticed by you. Get those eye glasses on.


Written by: Atabey, 14 Jun 2012 10:13 AM
From: United States, NYC

LOOK at the list I posted from YOUR POST.

Do you see Singapore on it?


Put your glasses on Dready. LOL
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Jun 2012 10:15 AM
From: United States
i asked you to define what you meant by FIRST STAGE, and you are yet to respond. maybe if you would stick to the script, you would end up learning something. please do not give me some foolishness about per capita GDP, as GDP is not an indicator of development, except in the minds of people who have not studied economics, like you. you are the only idiot still holding to the belief in the importance of that number, while others, with brains, have long since abandoned it. want a reading list?
Written by: Atabey, 14 Jun 2012 10:18 AM
From: United States, NYC

A far more illustrative comparison is the one you dread Dready: The Dominican Republic versus Jamaica.

Now there you have a wealth of information, regional context, and many familiar themes going on.

Just look at the last 50 years and see how things have developed in both nations.

The trends favor DR big time.

Oops!!
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Jun 2012 10:19 AM
From: United States
Atabey, go get some literate person to read this to you,and to explain it

The GDP is simply a gross measure of market activity, of money changing hands. It makes no distinction whatsoever between the desirable and the undesirable, or costs and gain. On top of that, it looks only at the portion of reality that economists choose to acknowledge--the part involved in monetary transactions. The crucial economic functions performed in the household and volunteer sectors go entirely unreckoned. As a result the GDPnot only masks the breakdown of the social structure and the natural habitat upon which the economy--and life itself--ultimately depend; worse, it actually portrays such breakdown as economic gain.

get the picture. it is only ADDITIVE, and has no subtractive component. ever heard of immiserizing growth? did not think you had.
Written by: stillhere, 14 Jun 2012 10:27 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Atabey
"When the article says Developed, please understand that they mean first stage of the Development Status"

Oh but that's right you changed it.... please understand the article is inaccurate to begin with...
Written by: Atabey, 14 Jun 2012 10:31 AM
From: United States, NYC
Again, first stage of the process towards Development Stage, Dready. This is a spectrum and the 12, 300 figure is merely the threshold point! Mind you, I never pointed to that threshold point as reaching DEVELOPMENT. A good start, BUT NOT EXCLUSIVE, would be membership in OCDC.

" (M)any institutions have created lists which are sometimes referred to when people are discussing developed countries. The International Monetary Fund (IMF) identifies 35 "advanced economies", The OECD, also widely known as the "developed countries club" has 34 members. The World Bank identifies 66 "high income countries". The EIU's Quality-of-life survey and a list of countries with welfare states are also included here. "

Take your pick.


Stillhere,

If you just take DT's translations "as is" then you need to season yourself some more with the ways of DT.

Anyway have to run, errands beckon today.




Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Jun 2012 10:53 AM
From: United States
says stillhere

Oh but that's right you changed it.... please understand the article is inaccurate to begin with...

changing what he said is typical of Atabey. he makes some of his trademark idiotic statements, then, when he gets caught, he changes his story. he did that a few times, and i went back to the archives, and proved him to be a liar. DT needs to have a system like DR1, in which you cannot edit a post after an hour has passed. that would stop moral nihilists like Atabey from continually acting in a dishonest manner.
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Jun 2012 10:55 AM
From: United States
i wish i understood gibberish, because this crap has no meaning


Written by: Atabey, 14 Jun 2012 10:31 AM
From: United States, NYC
Again, first stage of the process towards Development Stage, Dready. This is a spectrum and the 12, 300 figure is merely the threshold point! Mind you, I never pointed to that threshold point as reaching DEVELOPMENT. A good start, BUT NOT EXCLUSIVE, would be membership in OCDC.

where do you come up with crap like this? you really should take some economics classes, since you are hell bent on proving that you know about the matter.
Written by: RoyStone, 14 Jun 2012 10:56 AM
From: Australia
How can you talk about GDP per square mile for small sovereign states without mentioning the highest, the Vatican?
Written by: TonyTunTun, 14 Jun 2012 11:21 AM
From: United States
Jamiaca does not have a Haiti next door. This is the biggest problem / benefit for the DR. As the DR advances economically more and more Haitians will cross the border, settle and ultimately become Dominican. There will always be extreme poverty in the DR because of Haiti. On the flip side, the DR will enjoy the largest economy, 20+ million consumers and ample cheap labor to build lavish skyscrapers and become even more modern.
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Jun 2012 11:41 AM
From: United States
says Tont

, 20+ million consumers and ample cheap labor to build lavish skyscrapers and become even more modern.

skyscrapers do not make you modern. what makes you modern is the ability to fight a fire on the 15th floor.
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Jun 2012 11:44 AM
From: United States
informs airgordo, with emphasis

...Lewis won for CANADA not Jamaica

well, lets ventilate that further. bobsled brakesman Lascelles Brown first competed for Jamaica on the two man sled. he migrated to Canada, became a citizen, but did not compete for that country, due to a falling out with the driver, Pierre Leuders. he then moved to the Principality of Monaco, and competes for them. should i take it, gordo, that, if he wins for Monaco, i cannot claim him to be a Jamaican?
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Jun 2012 11:48 AM
From: United States
by applying the mindless metrics of sabelotodo Atabey, we can come to some simple conclusions. since 12,300 is the "threshold point" for development, then let me throw the boor a hypothetical. what if , by some stroke of providence, Haiti was to experience a fortuitous discovery of a massive oil deposit tomorrow? the net exports entry in the national account would balloon, and the GDP per capita would skyrocket. if it was at something like 20,000, could we conclude that Haiti is now a developed country?
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Jun 2012 11:58 AM
From: United States
hay, Atabey, saw this blog on the web. maybe i am not the only one who notices


I know..i took a hiatus while in DR lol now I'm back and ready to stir the pot and call people out hahahahaha!!!!!! :yeah: My biggest pet peeve is the people that are know-it-alls
Written by: Atabey, 14 Jun 2012 12:23 PM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Jun 2012 11:41 AM

says Tont

, 20+ million consumers and ample cheap labor to build lavish skyscrapers and become even more modern.

skyscrapers do not make you modern. what makes you modern is the ability to fight a fire on the 15th floor. "

Wrong again! Dready,

What makes you modern is having the ability to adapt and change in this world of ever greater dynamic. Tony is on to something that I've stated a number of times:

DR is both cursed and blessed with Haiti. On the one hand, Haiti carries ALL the worst attributes associated with development and modernization. Extreme poverty and deprivation that make her people the WORST OFF in the entire Western Hemisphere. This enormous problem has filtered into DR for many generations. And has even impacted many regional nations in the Caribbean Basin. But no nation has had to deal with its dimensions like DR. One the other hand, Haiti represents the largest and cheapest labor source in the
Written by: Atabey, 14 Jun 2012 12:24 PM
From: United States, NYC
region and this economic fact carries value and potential opportunities IF it is well managed by both Haiti and DR. With the assistance of the Europeans, Canadians, USA and others, Haiti is now in the process of FINALLY getting its house in order. But it's a messy operation and the illumination given the ENORMOUS needs often hides the powerful push towards incipient development and modernization. It will take a while but the changes going on in Haiti will reverberate across the Caribbean Basin and the DR will see many opportunities open up to cement its growing economic importance in the Caribbean region. Yes, this process will not be a given, but if reasonable assumptions are made and carried out, the island market of 20 plus million consumers will drive the Caribbean islands in the future. Good sums of infrastructure and export oriented investments are coming into the pipeline and more will follow as Haiti will be one of the few nations receiving basically free loans.
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Jun 2012 12:39 PM
From: United States
says Atabey

skyscrapers do not make you modern. what makes you modern is the ability to fight a fire on the 15th floor. "

Wrong again! Dready,

confirming the posting on the web that some Dominicans think they know everything.
Written by: airgordo, 15 Jun 2012 1:21 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Jun 2012 11:44 AM
From: United States
informs airgordo, with emphasis

...Lewis won for CANADA not Jamaica

well, lets ventilate that further. bobsled brakesman Lascelles Brown first competed for Jamaica on the two man sled. he migrated to Canada, became a citizen, but did not compete for that country, due to a falling out with the driver, Pierre Leuders. he then moved to the Principality of Monaco, and competes for them. should i take it, gordo, that, if he wins for Monaco, i cannot claim him to be a Jamaican?
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you can Claim him to be WHATEVER you want, what you CAN'T is to claim that MEDAL for Jamaica being a CANADIAN one, which brings me back to my original statement, WHAT ELSE has Jamaica won on Olimpics other than track? so if we are going to COMPARE sports achievements, lets do it with SPORTS with S.
Written by: RoyStone, 15 Jun 2012 1:41 AM
From: Australia
Dready states
"skyscrapers do not make you modern. what makes you modern is the ability to fight a fire on the 15th floor."

Agreed, and not starting the fire (without a fireplace) on the 15th floor in the first place makes you civilized, and able to decide who's job it is to fight it, (before the whole block becomes ashes) makes you organized, and spending the entire insurance and fire-prevention budget on partying instead, makes you Dominican.
Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Jun 2012 10:52 AM
From: United States
says gordo

you can Claim him to be WHATEVER you want, what you CAN'T is to claim that MEDAL for Jamaica being a CANADIAN one, which brings me back to my original statement, WHAT ELSE has Jamaica won on Olimpics other than track? so if we are going to COMPARE sports achievements, lets do it with SPORTS with S.

so, let us leave the semantics aside. what have you won, besides a few beauty contests? with all your talent in baseball, nothing! we specialize in sprinting, and can PROVE that we are the best at it, on a per capita basis. what are you the best at? we have the records to prove it. you only say that you are the best, but we have no proof. heck, even the home run record is not something your guys hold, despite the magnificent attempts of Sammy Sosa.
Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Jun 2012 10:59 AM
From: United States
a report emerged, a few days ago, that for every 4 containers which come to the DR full of product, only one outbound leaves with merchandise. as RoyStone was at pains to point out, that does not mean a 4 to one differential, because of the fact that inbound includes high tech manufactured goods, while outbound includes primary products, which have lower unit values. this reality makes for a severe trade imbalance. therefore, the net exports figure in the national accounting has to be a severe negative, at best. in order to counter that negative, and create a cumulative positive, the figures in the other 3 dimensions of GDP have to be sufficiently compensatory to arrive at an increase , over a specified accounting period. so, i ask the resident economic whiz kid, Atabey, to call upon the strength of his expertise to tell us if the bright spots are in consumption, government expenditure, or investment. if it is in investment, can Atabey tell us what portion is financed
Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Jun 2012 11:08 AM
From: United States
by the proceeds of private individual savings, and if the rate of capital formation approaches the Golden Rule Savings Rate necessary for sustainable steady state long run consumption, as described in the neoclassical Solow Growth Model, or the augmented Solow model, which includes human capital as a factor variable. on the investment side, can Atabey tell us whether or not it is directed more towards capital intensive manufacturing, or towards labor intensive agricultural ventures. maybe he can tell us what are the likelihoods of the outbreak of social disarticulation , in the event of focus on the manufacturing sector, or he can tell us what is the chance of immiserizing growth, should the leaning be towards agricultural production, a situation in which the possibility exists that increased production is constrained by demand inelasticity, and going beyond a certain growth point results in a situation in which unfavorable terms of trade begin to set in.
Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Jun 2012 11:15 AM
From: United States
if the bulk of the expenditure is in rent seeking government current expenditure, which, as Atabey well knows, is coercively financed, how does it inprove the economic conditions, given the fact that neither panel data, nor cross country b regressions, have ever established evidence that the marginal productivity of workers in the public sector is higher than that of workers in the private sector. since government produces nothing saleable, its revenues are coercively financed, in the form of taxes and levies, along with government and sovereign bond issues. given the rudimentary nature of income tax collection, the bulk comes from value added taxes, such as ITBIS, which is regressive in nature, and which reduces consumer surplus. the high levies and taxes on essentials like petroleum occasion severe deadweight loss in the economy, and the bond offerings cause crowd out effect in the realm of available money capital to the private sector.
Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Jun 2012 11:16 AM
From: United States
so, Atabey, please take some time to address these questions, and help to educate us mere mortals on this matter, one in which you hold yourself up to be knowledgeable. in the very least, you suggest greater knowledge than i have, so please educate me.
Written by: airgordo, 18 Jun 2012 12:09 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Jun 2012 10:52 AM
From: United States
says gordo

so, let us leave the semantics aside. what have you won, besides a few beauty contests? with all your talent in baseball, nothing! we specialize in sprinting, and can PROVE that we are the best at it, on a per capita basis. what are you the best at? we have the records to prove it. you only say that you are the best, but we have no proof. heck, even the home run record is not something your guys hold, despite the magnificent attempts of Sammy Sosa.
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ALREADY said with S becasue Dominican achievemenbts are ON MORE THAN ONE sport, with PLURAL, is not about semantics is about REALITY, although i asked FIRST a question that i know you will not answer becase it destroys your argument, i will just repeat here that the DR has already has Olimpic and WORLD champions on Boxing, Taekwndo and Track i will not go for now on Pan Am games, WHAT can you show appart from Usain Bolt like performers?
Written by: cheflord522, 18 Jun 2012 7:15 AM
From: United States, Boston, Mass,
Regarding
RaceStone:
This guy must be in a real pain from something that happened to him in the DR, may be he was abandoned by a big Dominican Mandingo and now he can't stand Dominicans...he refers to Dominican as a breed.....man, do they have mirrors down under? or you just look at your face in your muddy water? Sr. you are despicably racist and insulting to all Dominican. I don't know why the F&%@ you are in the DR are , you claim to be a well traveled man...why don't you go to a place where people are at the level of your intelligence? An all why Nazi-Nation perhaps? or some Nazi community? like the one in Argentina or Paraguay? or may be best of all your own outbacks?
Written by: dreadlocks, 18 Jun 2012 9:08 AM
From: United States
asks gordo


WHAT can you show appart from Usain Bolt like performers?

several other Usain Bolt like performers.Jamaica has been setting world records in track and field since 1948. shall i give you a list of medal winners, since 1948? ever heard of Herb McKinley? Arthur Wint? Donald Quarrie? Asafa Powell? did you know that the two gold medal 100 meters runners for Canada were born in Jamaica? did you know that the English gold medal 100 meters winner was born in Jamaica? the fact is , even if we excel only at sprinting, you excel at NOTHING. you have all the talent in the world, but nothing to show for it, besides excuses for why you do not win. i do not want to hear about the labor pains. show me the baby..as to the Pan American games...who cares? we send our scrubs to compete there, and wait for the big dance.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 18 Jun 2012 9:08 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

"skyscrapers do not make you modern. what makes you modern is the ability to fight a fire on the 15th floor"

Are you all asserting that DR architects are incapable of envisioning the real possibility of, and neglect installing the necessary means to prevent and/or fight a fire!?

Only very neurotic/biased pinheads, could assume this to be the case.!
Written by: dreadlocks, 18 Jun 2012 9:17 AM
From: United States
no. i am asserting nothing. i am simply repeating the observations of experts, who state that the city of Santo Domingo does not have the fire fighting capability, especially in terms of equipment, to fight a high rise blaze. they do not have high pressure hoses, and cherry pickers, and the necessary manpower to deal with a blaze on the 25th floor. what is the matter, Ron? does that seem far fetched to you?
Written by: RoyStone, 18 Jun 2012 10:43 AM
From: Australia
Ron,
It is not the architect's responsibility to invisible anything. They get paid to design a building that meets the client's specification, can be built within a specified budget, and stay out of jail. It is the government's job to set building standards and to enforce them.
Now join the dots.
Written by: dreadlocks, 18 Jun 2012 11:24 AM
From: United States
RonEvane, you live in the USA. you have seen a high rise blaze. you see the number of trucks, the number of firefighters, the EMS , the police department, and all manner of emergency service assets which have to converge, in the shortest possibe time, or a disaster eventuates. do you realistically believe that the DR has that kind of capability to deal with a major fire on an upper floor of a residential tower?
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 18 Jun 2012 12:40 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

I can't imaging that no codes exist in the books to allow constructing a high rise without some sort of fire-prevention measures.
I refuse to believe that builders would neglect to install basic fire-prevention features such as sprinklers, fire-escape stairs, or containment doors, out of simple greed!

I have been looking into safety features in apartment high-rises in SD. Security and safeguards, are one of many selling points.
No sane person would buy into a death-trap. No developer could sell any, and anyone with money couldn't be so dumb as to do so.

If you're talking about the city's fire department not having the right equipment, that's another story.

Written by: josean, 18 Jun 2012 12:48 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"Rotary club, fire departments donate to Dominican Republic"

December 16, 2011


A trip to the Dominican Republic for two Somerset Rotary Club members turned into a countywide effort to help fire departments.

Ken and Rita Halverson traveled to Santo Domingo to visit the Rotary Club and help with projects. While there they attended a fair that outlined a list of service projects for other Rotary clubs.

"We visited one of the fire departments in Santo Domingo," Ken Halverson said. "It was not very good."

dailyamerican.com/2011-12-16/news/30527467_1_fire-departments-sets-of-fire-gear-fight-fires

Written by: dreadlocks, 18 Jun 2012 1:16 PM
From: United States
We visited one of the fire departments in Santo Domingo," Ken Halverson said. "It was not very good."

you were saying, Ron?
Written by: Arcangel96, 18 Jun 2012 2:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
dreadlocks and RonEvane,

"skyscrapers do not make you modern. what makes you modern is the ability to fight a fire on the 15th floor"

To be honest the fire department capabilities in Dominican Rep are very limited. At the same time, the type of construction used in most of these towers does not lend itself to the propagation of fire. Basically, the walls are made of reinforce concrete, instead of drywall and granite tiles is preferred to wall to wall carpet.

But don't get me wrong, I agree that sprinkles should be mandated on these types of building, and that the fire dept needs to be better equipped. I just wanted to point out that an out of control fire, in these kind of structures, could be very rare.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 18 Jun 2012 5:03 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

" I just wanted to point out that an out of control fire, in these kind of structures, could be very rare."

Thank you, Arcangel.That's certainly the case with modern buildings in DR. Its' structural make-up is mostly concrete, brick, tiles, and mortar. This stuff does not burn, even if poured with gasoline! What burns is obviously the furnishing, set afire by a jealous ex-wife!
On top of it all, there are, in fact, redundant built-in thingies to keep fires from spreading.

The fire department, however, does not have the equipment, nor possibly, (I'm guessing), the know- how to squelch a fire on anything higher than the 6th floor.

Some here suggest we ain't "modern" simply because of a dearth of what they consider the "right" fire-fighting equipment.! We may be lacking, but we're no dummies!....er.. at least not for the most part.



Written by: Arcangel96, 18 Jun 2012 5:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
@RonEvane,

You said..."What burns is obviously the furnishing, set afire by a jealous ex-wife!"
LOL!!!!..funny...However, they are most likely caused by an unattended "trementina" lamp or candles during a black out.
Written by: josean, 18 Jun 2012 6:00 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



Whether cement or wood all fire are dangerous and even with good fire departments they can be deadly:

"The Dupont Plaza Hotel fire was a fire that occurred at the Hotel Dupont Plaza (now San Juan Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino) in San Juan, Puerto Rico on New Year's Eve, December 31, 1986."

"The fire was set by three disgruntled employees of the hotel who were in the middle of a labor dispute with the owners of the hotel. The fire claimed 97 lives and caused 140 injuries. It is the most catastrophic hotel fire in Puerto Rican history, and the second in the history of the United States."

"The Puerto Rico Fire Department was dispatched at around 3:40 PM and 13 firetrucks, 100 firefighters, and 35 ambulances responded."

wikipedia.org/wiki/Dupont_Plaza_Hotel_arson

In DR Building High-rises without adequate fire equipment and trained personnel to respond in a serious emergency is just, Pardon the Pun, Playing with Fire!

Written by: dreadlocks, 18 Jun 2012 6:18 PM
From: United States
i agree with arcangel and RonEvane about the materials used in construction, and that they do not readily lend themselves to a big fire in a building. however, there is the little matter of contents. many people in the USA have died in building fires, and, when it is extinguished, the walls are still standing, but the interior is gutted.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 18 Jun 2012 7:36 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

"...However, they are most likely caused by an unattended "trementina" lamp or candles during a black out. "

Arcangel. I beg to differ. It has been my regretful experience that most "accidental" fires, are in fact, set ablaze by angry women with a murderous tilt!..I kid you not!
Those tend to be ex-wives and girlfriends who have sworn to kill you by "any means necessary".!
Their reasoning could range from: "you forgot my birthday"...to, "I saw you talking with that hussie"!

My advise to anyone living in a high-rise is to be wary of angry women. You could end up dead..or worse!!..
Written by: airgordo, 18 Jun 2012 10:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: dreadlocks, 18 Jun 2012 9:08 AM
From: United States
several other Usain Bolt like performers.Jamaica has been setting world records in track and field since 1948. shall i give you a list of medal winners, since 1948? ever heard of Herb McKinley? Arthur Wint? Donald Quarrie? Asafa Powell? did you know that the two gold medal 100 meters runners for Canada were born in Jamaica? did you know that the English gold medal 100 meters winner was born in Jamaica? the fact is , even if we excel only at sprinting, you excel at NOTHING. you have all the talent in the world, but nothing to show for it, besides excuses for why you do not win. i do not want to hear about the labor pains. show me the baby..as to the Pan American games...who cares? we send our scrubs to compete there, and wait for the big dance.
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THANK YOU for FINALLY admitting, you have won NOTHING outside SPRINTING...google Beijing 2008 medals and WRITE HERE which sports, yes on PLURAL, WON medals for DR...
Written by: stillhere, 18 Jun 2012 11:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic

DR 3 sports, total 4 medals, 2 gold

Jamaica 2 sports, total 55 medals, 13 gold

Australia summer games 24 sports, total 432 medals, 131 gold
winter games 4 sports, total 9 medals, 5 gold
total 441 136 gold
How's them apples???
Written by: RoyStone, 19 Jun 2012 4:49 AM
From: Australia
Stillhere,
Remember one of the "Dominican" gold medals was by an American, doing hurdles for the Dominican Republic.
Written by: dreadlocks, 19 Jun 2012 10:00 AM
From: United States
says airgordo

THANK YOU for FINALLY admitting, you have won NOTHING outside SPRINTING...google Beijing 2008 medals and WRITE HERE which sports, yes on PLURAL, WON medals for DR

are we speaking of the olympics, or sports in general? we have had several world boxing champions. ever heard of guys like Trevor Berbick, Mike McCallum, Lloyd Honeygan, Simon Brown, and a host of others? by the way, you still have not answered me...WHAT HAVE YOU WON? hey, we even won the USA PRO RALLY autosports championship, which has international participation. we also won their Spelling Bee. what have you won? beauty contests? we won those, too.
Written by: dreadlocks, 19 Jun 2012 10:01 AM
From: United States
informs stillhere

Written by: stillhere, 18 Jun 2012 11:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic

DR 3 sports, total 4 medals, 2 gold

Jamaica 2 sports, total 55 medals, 13 gold

Australia summer games 24 sports, total 432 medals, 131 gold
winter games 4 sports, total 9 medals, 5 gold
total 441 136 gold
How's them apples???

how's them apples? i think he just choked on them.
Written by: stillhere, 19 Jun 2012 12:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Would you like more apples?? just made a great list...
Written by: dreadlocks, 19 Jun 2012 12:57 PM
From: United States
unleash the products of your orchard, sir.
Written by: stillhere, 19 Jun 2012 2:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
8, 500 cc world champions
1, 350cc,1, 250cc,1, 125cc world champions,
5 Superbike world championships, 2 riders
4 F1 world championships, 2 driver
Sailing, 8 tornado, 7 A1class, 5 formula18, 2 formula16 world championships

2 Rugby World Cup.
4 Cricket World Cup
2 Mens, 2 women's, Hockey World Cup
64 Track Cycling World Champions
3 Road World Championships – Men's time trial
11 BMX World Championships
9 Canoe Sprint World Championships
9 IAAF World Championships in Athletics, DR 2, Jamaica 14
1 FIBA Basketball World Championship for Women
8 men's, 19 women's World Squash Open
106 Open Tennis titles, 21 Open winners
etc etc
Can you guess what country this is??
Written by: dreadlocks, 19 Jun 2012 6:05 PM
From: United States
Australia....the land of Sir Donald Bradman, Thompson and Lillee, ah, yess. all before your time, of course.
Written by: stillhere, 19 Jun 2012 7:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic

Bradman yes.. Nothing better that Thomo and Lilly charging in and giving to the poms...hahaha

Watch Richards and Lilly, Garner and Chappell with Marshy giving them hell...
Written by: airgordo, 19 Jun 2012 10:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: stillhere
From: Dominican Republic

DR 3 sports, total 4 medals, 2 gold

Jamaica 2 sports, total 55 medals, 13 gold

Australia summer games 24 sports, total 432 medals, 131 gold
winter games 4 sports, total 9 medals, 5 gold
total 441 136 gold
How's them apples???
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Australia Summer games...hahahahaha...WTF is that?? hahaha...GO by the OLYMPIC comitee, go to WORLD championships, go to Pan Am games which QUALIFIES YOU for the olympics, go to Central American games and REGIONAL olympic compettitions, other wise you just run in to posting ridiculous "achivements" like for example your second post, you should have posted there a german sausage eating contest that some jamaican Dude won 100 years ago LOL ...

as i said...PLEASE, sports with S... right now as i write Jamaica is playing FIBA's Centro Basket on Puerto rico, did you know that one? i guess NO since is NOT a "sprinting" thing LOL...Jamaica is excellent on sprinting, we are better on SPORTS.
Written by: airgordo, 19 Jun 2012 10:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: stillhere, 19 Jun 2012 2:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
8, 500 cc world champions
1, 350cc,1, 250cc,1, 125cc world champions,
5 Superbike world championships, 2 riders
4 F1 world championships, 2 driver
Sailing, 8 tornado, 7 A1class, 5 formula18, 2 formula16 world championships

2 Rugby World Cup.
4 Cricket World Cup
2 Mens, 2 women's, Hockey World Cup
64 Track Cycling World Champions
3 Road World Championships – Men's time trial
11 BMX World Championships
9 Canoe Sprint World Championships
9 IAAF World Championships in Athletics, DR 2, Jamaica 14
1 FIBA Basketball World Championship for Women
8 men's, 19 women's World Squash Open
106 Open Tennis titles, 21 Open winners
etc etc
Can you guess what country this is??
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you Missed a couple....Best GATORADE pose ever!!...Best Athlete's smile with the moon shinning on his right side...good try but kind of pathetic...LOL
Written by: RoyStone, 20 Jun 2012 7:59 AM
From: Australia
stillhere,
You forgot to mention the 1st country (and only country, other than New Zealand) to unbolt the prestigious America's Cup (12-metre yacht race) from the mantlepiece of the New York Yacht Club after 126 years.
Written by: dreadlocks, 20 Jun 2012 11:20 AM
From: United States
are you telling me that you are of sufficient age to remember the great Sir Frank Packer, and Gretel, then those of Alan Bond?
Written by: stillhere, 20 Jun 2012 11:52 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Yup.. and to quote Bod Hawk the morning of the Americas cup win "any boss who fires someone for not going to work today is a bum"
I even remember see Bob at the Adelaide over ( Windies V Aus) after "giving up the grog" downing a pint in one swallow... hahahahhaha

Dread you have a good understanding of most things... can you translate the below comment??
I just can't understand what it is trying to say or where it has contexts to anything... Is it referring to an athlete or sports person we should know of??

"you Missed a couple....Best GATORADE pose ever!!...Best Athlete's smile with the moon shinning on his right side...good try but kind of pathetic...LOL"
Written by: dreadlocks, 20 Jun 2012 1:16 PM
From: United States
i would love to be able to translate that remark for you, stillhere. i just do not speak gibberish. i guess it is an attempt to be funny, since the author of the comment has exhausted all his efforts to be serious, and meaningful. it is his concession speech. he is a graduate of the Atabey Institute of Imbecilic Insights. when you have nothing worthwhile to offer, and the material is over your head, just say something stupid, and throw the thread off the track.
Written by: RoyStone, 20 Jun 2012 2:08 PM
From: Australia
Dready,
In polite conversation it's okay to talk about John Bertrand skippering Ben Lexcen's "Australia II" to beat the Yanks, but we don't mention Alan Bond.

stillhere,
There are two translations to the Gatorade comment, "sour grapes" and "bad looser". Take your pick.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 20 Jun 2012 2:10 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland




It is argued that our little island is a third-world, failed nation. Not good at sports....or anything else, for that matter.
It is also polluted with thrash, harmful bacteria, chemicals, metals, etc. It is also a hell hole of a place in summer, it has good whenches, but no good beaches, to speak of.
Half the population is illiterate, and it is asserted by many, that the prospects for a better economy, thus a higher standard of living, is virtually zero.

There're no positive sides to our republic.. Most everyone would rather be somewhere else...Right!? If so, then, please tell us: Why on earth, y'all bother to live in it, while bashing and belittling it, ..Aren't all these shortcomings well noted and obvious?..Wouldn't you rather move out or, at least, be offering possible solutions to what ails us?
It hurts to know that you kick, rather than help, while we're down...pity (and don't give me crud about "constructive criticism").!!





Written by: RoyStone, 20 Jun 2012 2:20 PM
From: Australia
Ron,
You forgot to mention the massive crime, corruption, underage pregnancy, suicidal driving, racism, awful music and silly dancing.
Written by: dreadlocks, 20 Jun 2012 2:26 PM
From: United States
actually, RonEvane, i have no intentions of kicking the country while it is dwon. when i comment on policy, it is commentary. it is not gloating. i am not poking you in the eye. i know when a country is down, trust me. i come from one which is on the floor. but bad policy is bad policy, and remaining silent on it helps neither you, nor i. no country on earth, regardless of population, or economy, should have 17,000 employee in a single ministry. NONE. 39 deputy ministers of agriculture is lunacy. making mention of those issues is CONSTRUCTIVE. it is not meant to harm, nor insult. it is supposed to be taken in an adult fashion, by adults. it is not intended to be a slap in the face, responded to by infantile antics to compare the DR with Jamaica. that is counterintuitive, and childish, and serves no purpose, except to draw attention to the author of the comments.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 20 Jun 2012 6:15 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Dread and Roy.
I respect your opinions and criticisms. They're usually right on the money.
What gets me,though, are your unceasing comparisons to other nations. That we are what we are, is no mystery to anyone. We have many faults that must be brought to light and, hopefully, be remedied or made better by exploring possible alternatives.

Some of us understand our predicament. We're in no position to gloat on any accomplishments made. In the greater scheme of things, these are minimalistic and nothing out of the ordinary.....Nevertheless, they are accomplishments that should be celebrated and applauded for what they are. Nothing great, but something positive that can perhaps direct us on to a better path to reaching our dreamed-of potentials.

I'm not saying you're wrong in expounding your thoughts on our dire state of affairs, what I say, is to look at things in a more charitable manner and give us our due. Critical talk, downs the resolve to achieve. I know it from experience
Written by: dreadlocks, 20 Jun 2012 8:11 PM
From: United States
RonEvane, you have no idea how critical i am of my leaders, of my own country. i am an equal opportunity critic. i used to be on a team of economic advisers to ex Jamaican Prime Minister Michael Manley, and he often labelled me as being insubordinate,for disagreeing with his ideas. the only reason i appear to be critical of the DR, selectively, is because this is DominicanToday. if it was PanamaToday, i would be criticizing policy in Panama.
Written by: airgordo, 20 Jun 2012 9:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: dreadlocks
From: United States
i would love to be able to translate that remark for you, stillhere. i just do not speak gibberish. i guess it is an attempt to be funny, since the author of the comment has exhausted all his efforts to be serious, and meaningful. it is his concession speech. he is a graduate of the Atabey Institute of Imbecilic Insights. when you have nothing worthwhile to offer, and the material is over your head, just say something stupid, and throw the thread off the track.
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Nobody is more IMBECILE here than yourselft rasta boy, and your fellow usual DR bullshitters...interesting that you chose not to pick something called SARCASM from the previous post since it says on clear english:

"otherwise you just run in to posting ridiculous "achivements" like for example your second post, you should have posted there a german sausage eating contest that some jamaican Dude won 100 years ago LOL ..."

And you are one supposed to READ english
Written by: airgordo, 20 Jun 2012 9:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: dreadlocks
From: United States
actually, RonEvane, i have no intentions of kicking the country while it is dwon. when i comment on policy, it is commentary. it is not gloating. i am not poking you in the eye. i know when a country is down, trust me. i come from one which is on the floor. but bad policy is bad policy, and remaining silent on it helps neither you, nor i. no country on earth, regardless of population, or economy, should have 17,000 employee in a single ministry. NONE. 39 deputy ministers of agriculture is lunacy. making mention of those issues is CONSTRUCTIVE. it is not meant to harm, nor insult. it is supposed to be taken in an adult fashion, by adults. it is not intended to be a slap in the face, responded to by infantile antics to compare the DR with Jamaica. that is counterintuitive, and childish, and serves no purpose, except to draw attention to the author of the comments.
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SO you write all this BULLSH!T and you are helping...nice LOL
Written by: stillhere, 20 Jun 2012 10:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic
SARCASM
"you Missed a couple....Best GATORADE pose ever!!...Best Athlete's smile with the moon shinning on his right side...good try but kind of pathetic...LOL"

mmmm ok??

Australia Summer games. you may like to refer to the fact the conversation was about the Olympics right, so when I put Summer games to defenestrate between summer and winter Olympics.

Here I put in so you can understand it..

DR Olympic summer games, 3 sports, total 4 medals, 2 gold
Olympic winter games 0,0,0,

Jamaica Olympic summer games, 2 sports, total 55 medals, 13 gold
Olympic winter games 0,0,0,

Australia Olympic summer games. 24 sports, total 432 medals, 131 gold
Olympic winter games 4 sports, total 9 medals, 5 gold
total 441 136 gold

Is that better or worse????
Written by: airgordo, 20 Jun 2012 10:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic
DR Olympic summer games, 3 sports, total 4 medals, 2 gold
Olympic winter games 0,0,0,

Jamaica Olympic summer games, 2 sports, total 55 medals, 13 gold
Olympic winter games 0,0,0,
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I did not ask about Australia, that is totally beyond of what i wrote...We don't compete on winter games, isn't it obvious?.... yes i know about the jamaicans, the winter games and the movie...THIS just CONFIRMS my original point WRITTEN on black and white above, Jamaica can not talk about SPORTS with S, just A SPORT, therefore is INACURATE and WRONG to place yourself as a nation of SUPERIOR sports achievements, when you just can do ONE THING...i'm talking about ORGANIZED OLYMPIC grade sports with Federations such as FIFA, FINA, FIBA IBAF, etc. THAT is what gives you status on the sports world wide
Written by: stillhere, 20 Jun 2012 10:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic

So what you are saying is that it's better to be average at a few sports, than be great at just one??




Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 20 Jun 2012 11:38 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

" you have no idea how critical i am of my leaders, of my own country. i am an equal opportunity critic."


Mr. Dread. Criticising for the sake of delivering one's point across, even if we're right, does not accomplish much.
All it does, is bare someone's inequity/shortcomings. It makes people cringe with shame and anger directed inward.
It will turn people's ears off, refuse further interaction, and hate us with good reason.
Nothing hurts more than truth told, without dressing up or an inescapable way out.

Pretty much, what I'm trying to get across is that some of us, just can't handle the undisputed truth. I'd rather be shown what is there, and what can be done about it, than just be told of the events without the details.
That's my point. People talk of the tragedy, but not what led to it.... How did we get to where we are today?..I think that, above all, this is the most important question to ask and find an answer to.
Nothing else matters.

Written by: dreadlocks, 21 Jun 2012 11:37 AM
From: United States
says another of the sabelotodo gang

Jamaica can not talk about SPORTS with S, just A SPORT, therefore is INACURATE and WRONG to place yourself as a nation of SUPERIOR sports achievements

well, we have been a part of one of the more successful cricket teams in history, the West Indies. and, no , we do not participate in winter sports, but our 2 man bobsled was ranked number 15 IN THE WORLD, even though the only time we see ice is in drinks, and food preservation. we have had several world championship boxers. we have won the US pro rally championship. we have been to the World Cup. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? you keep speaking about Jamaica being a one trick pony. well, at least my pony can do tricks. yours is lame.
Written by: airgordo, 21 Jun 2012 12:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: stillhere, 20 Jun 2012 10:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic

So what you are saying is that it's better to be average at a few sports, than be great at just one??
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NO, i'm saying that is NOT right or accurate to place yourself as a nation Superior SPORT(S) by critizicing another one that has had achievements on bigger variety of sports than yours.
Written by: airgordo, 21 Jun 2012 12:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: dreadlocks, 21 Jun 2012 11:37 AM
From: United States

well, we have been a part of one of the more successful cricket teams in history, the West Indies. and, no , we do not participate in winter sports, but our 2 man bobsled was ranked number 15 IN THE WORLD, even though the only time we see ice is in drinks, and food preservation. we have had several world championship boxers. we have won the US pro rally championship. we have been to the World Cup. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? you keep speaking about Jamaica being a one trick pony. well, at least my pony can do tricks. yours is lame.
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We won the World Championship on Dominoes the other day and you don't see me writing about that, get the POINT on doing Olympic grade SPORTS debate? Yesterday the DR mopped the floor with Jamaica on FIBA's Centro basket held on PR, that is an Official olympic standard Sport
Written by: dreadlocks, 21 Jun 2012 1:50 PM
From: United States
world championship of Dominoes? i cannot stop laughing. you really wrote that? by the way, you can mop up the floor with Jamaica in basketball, but who else can you beat? it is just like soccer...we would kill you, but that does not make us a world power. we cannot beat really good teams. the fact is, we have records to prove things. you have imagination.
Written by: stillhere, 21 Jun 2012 4:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic

"one that has had achievements on bigger variety of sports than yours. "

Mine?? Are you really saying the DR has achieved in more variety of Sports than Australia??

Really??? Well put up the data... Show us all the list of world champions and I continue my list...

I'll help you and give you this...
Boxing World Champions Per Capita.
1. Virgin Islands - 3 Champions - Pop. 108,400 - .0027%
3. Panama - 27 Champions - Pop. 3.3000,000 - .00081%
9.. Jamaica - 8 Champions - Pop. 2,800,000 - .000285%
17. Dominican Republic - 14 Champions - Pop. 9,500,000 - .00014%
38. Australia - 8 Champions - Pop. 21,800,000 - . 000036%
Oh hang on did that help or not???

How about this one???
China 2008 Olympic medal tally by population.
1 Jamaica
2 Bahrain
3 Estonia
4 New Zealand
5 Australia
6 Mongolia
7 Norway
16 Panama
24 Cuba
29 Kenya
33 United States
34 France
35 Dominican Rep.

PS. Dominoes is not a sport...
Written by: airgordo, 22 Jun 2012 1:41 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Did you even READ my post?? LOL...by the way there was an excellent article on the BBC regarding to best Results/Investment on 2008 Olympics, guess who came First? LOL
Written by: stillhere, 22 Jun 2012 7:37 AM
From: Dominican Republic

Show us the link or more detail if you really want us to read it ......

"NO, i'm saying that is NOT right or accurate to place yourself as a nation Superior SPORT(S) by critizicing another one that has had achievements on bigger variety of sports than yours. "

Are you sure you can read your own post???
Written by: RoyStone, 22 Jun 2012 10:46 AM
From: Australia
Dready,
Cricket is a gentleman's sport.
Need I say more?
Written by: dreadlocks, 22 Jun 2012 10:51 AM
From: United States
say no more. you know how people get.
Written by: RoyStone, 22 Jun 2012 10:55 AM
From: Australia
Ron,
I agree it is pointless to make criticism without suggesting solutions. I have submitted some very well thought-out and detailed proposals on this site, on how to substantially improve education and the environment of the Dominican Republic. No one has found fault with my proposals, no one. Yet I am constantly under attack for telling it as it is. It seems shooting the messenger is the only way Dominicans can "deal with" problems.
Written by: MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier, 22 Jun 2012 7:13 PM
From: United States, NJ
Roy:
Am with you , a constructive critisim is how democracy evolves,but Dominicans call us anti DR for
it and accept none of the above . They want to hear the good part only not knowing they have a lot
to go to be call civil. You and I have made along with drealocks suggestions as to how to get funding for education and that is closing down the armed forces and converting the so call police force into a modern one with educated officers and try to copy from Costa Rica by putting more money unto good quality education
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 22 Jun 2012 8:12 PM
From: Haiti
DREADLOCK
CLOUSE YOUR LOUD MOUTH. I TELL YOU RESPECT HAITI. WITHOUT HAITI, you will stay slave.
WHAT IS JAMAICA? YOUR COUNTRY IS NOT SO DEVELOPPED.
I KNOW WELL JAMAICA, CLOSE YOUR MOUTH ABOUT MY COUNTRY.
JAMAICA IS NOTHING. BOB MARLEY IS THE PAST.
you're worse than a dog, the next time you want to speak ill of haiti, washing your mouth into the shit like a lot of DOMINICAN HERE.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 22 Jun 2012 8:22 PM
From: Haiti
to speak bad thing of haiti
Written by: dreadlocks, 22 Jun 2012 8:27 PM
From: United States


as for this..
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 22 Jun 2012 8:12 PM
From: Haiti
DREADLOCK
CLOUSE YOUR LOUD MOUTH. I TELL YOU RESPECT HAITI. WITHOUT HAITI, you will stay slave.
WHAT IS JAMAICA? YOUR COUNTRY IS NOT SO DEVELOPPED.
I KNOW WELL JAMAICA, CLOSE YOUR MOUTH ABOUT MY COUNTRY.
JAMAICA IS NOTHING. BOB MARLEY IS THE PAST.
you're worse than a dog, the next time you want to speak ill of haiti, washing your mouth into the shit like a lot of DOMINICAN HERE.

kiskeyaman, i have never spoken ill of Haiti, so you must have forgotten to take your medication today. however, if you want me to, just keep the insults coming, and you will see how much ill i can speak.
Written by: dreadlocks, 22 Jun 2012 8:29 PM
From: United States
hey, kiskeyaman, ever heard of Dutty Boukman?
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 22 Jun 2012 8:37 PM
From: Haiti
DREAD
I am also ill believe me.
But I see what you write to spinash about HAITI.
If you have an problem with someone why you speal bad about his country? HAITI HAVE MORE INHABITANTS THAT YOU HAVE. I found is coward to speak bad about a people who have the courage to live with dignity after a lot of problem.
And is very crazy to see a Jamaican believe he are superior than the haitians.
In front of HAITI, You know Jamaica is nothing.
Please, respect my country, me I am in my country, Here I work hard to help my compatriot.
Here you have a lot of good HAITIANS WHO Don't take part in the politic. But they work hard, please, RESPECT HAITI.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 22 Jun 2012 8:39 PM
From: Haiti
Yes is a SLAVE who born in JAMAICA.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 22 Jun 2012 8:43 PM
From: Haiti
BUT bookman was an SLAVE WHO FIGHT HARD TO HAVE THE LIBERATION OF THE SLAVE.
HE WAS FIGHTING WITH TOUSSAINT LOUVERTURE WHO WAS A FRIEND, of this guy.
All haitian know DUTTY BOOKMAN.
bois caiman is the place where he give a ceremony and promise to kill all white people who have slave.
Written by: dreadlocks, 22 Jun 2012 8:45 PM
From: United States
poor kiskeyaman. you really are in need of some schooling.go back and read what i said. actually, it was SPINACH who started with the anti Jamaican insults. as i told him, Haitians are not exactly the right people who should go putting down oher people´s country. in front of HAITI Jamaica is nothing? in respect to what? let me leave you with one little hint, kiskeyaman.when people take a trip on a cruise ship to jamaica, they know they are going to Jamaica. when they go to Haiti, the brochure says Labadee. they do not tell the visitors that the ship is going to Haiti. why do you think this is so, kiskeya?
Written by: stillhere, 22 Jun 2012 9:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier, 22 Jun 2012 7:13 PM
From: United States, NJ
Roy:
Am with you , a constructive critisim is how democracy evolves,but Dominicans call us anti DR for
it and accept none of the above . They want to hear the good part only not knowing they have a lot
to go to be call civil. You and I have made along with drealocks suggestions as to how to get funding for education and that is closing down the armed forces and converting the so call police force into a modern one with educated officers and try to copy from Costa Rica by putting more money unto good quality education

This comment seems to fit well with some others, not naming names but you don't need to look to far. ....
Written by: MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier, 22 Jun 2012 10:03 PM
From: United States, NJ
stillhere:

Thanks for the comlement.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 23 Jun 2012 12:33 PM
From: Haiti
Dreadlocks,
I FINISH ALL MY STUDY. I have several diplomas in Haiti and in France. If I come to jamaica I am sure I can take the job of the jamaican people. I know well what spinash have writting against jamaica but he don't say jamaica is like a dog.
Let me tell you the fact about labadee is not now the same. ALL TOURIST WHO COME IN LABADEE KNOW THE COME IN HAITI. FOR THOSE PEOPLE, LABADIE IS A PARADISE.
I think you and the DOMINICANS TALK ABOUT Don't know HAITI. You see the television and you think that HAITI IS POOR THAN ALL COUNTRY. It's not true. we have more tourist here who come here than rep DOMINICAN. I TALK ABOUT THE TOURIST CRUISE. go TO THE LINK AND YOU CAN SEE THE SEVERALS CORNER OF PARADISE OF HAITI.
we have other paradise than labadee, you have ile à vache, jacmel and so island which is very beautiful.
tripadvisor.fr/Tourism-g1927756-Labadee_Haiti-Vacations.html
tripadvisor.fr/Search?q=ile+a+vache%2C+haiti,
tripadvisor.fr/Hotels-g580451-Jacmel_Haiti-Hotels.html
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 23 Jun 2012 12:41 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

"I agree it is pointless to make criticism without suggesting solutions. I have submitted some very well thought-out and detailed proposals on this site, on how to substantially improve education and the environment of the Dominican Republic."

Really, Roy?...I must have missed those. Would you mind repeating them for us? I'm not being sarcastic. Just don't remember seeing them. Must have been before I came onto this site.

As Mr. Rancier has suggested, Abolishing the armed forces and redirecting the substantial amount to education, could fill the void in funding. Frankly, I can't think of what else can be done to improve it. Would you fill us in, please?
Written by: dreadlocks, 23 Jun 2012 12:55 PM
From: United States
KISKEYAMAN, my advice to you is to shut your yap. i have never said anything negative about Haiti, until some nitwit called SPINACH started trash talking. i really do not care what you think. if you feel that HAITI is better than Jamaica, in every respect, then go ahead believing it. if you believe that you are better educated than Jamaicans, be my guest. if you believe that every Haitian excretes Rolex watches, more power to you. the Human Development Index begs to differ.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 23 Jun 2012 1:04 PM
From: Haiti
DREADLOCK

Have you see the link or not?
Give me your point of view is the only think I want. keep for you, your advise please.
and why you ask me if I know DUTTY BOOKMAN?
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 23 Jun 2012 1:09 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

"I FINISH ALL MY STUDY. I have several diplomas in Haiti and in France."

Sir. Nous avons trop de gens ignorants qui parlent ici thrash de quelque chose qu'ils ne savent pas. Pour ma part, que votre pays est grand et a le potentiel pour devenir un endroit merveilleux pour vivre et travailler. Passez une bonne journée, mon ami.
Written by: dreadlocks, 23 Jun 2012 1:37 PM
From: United States
kiskeyaman, our conversation is over. happy trails.
Written by: stillhere, 23 Jun 2012 2:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic
So how do you explain the numbers???

"poorest countries western hemisphere"
After that we can conclude that this is the TOP10 poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere:
1.-Haiti
TOP10 poorest countries by GDP per capita (according to the IMF):
1.-Haiti: $1,317
TOP10 poorest countries by % of population suffering from undernourishment (according to FAO):
1.-Haiti: 47%
2.-Dominican Republic: 27%
TOP10 poorest countries by HDI (according to the UN 2009):
1.-Haiti: 0.532

As pointed out a while ago Tripadvisor is not any kind of true indicator, as anyone can log on and write good things or bad about where they go or even if they haven't gone there......
Tripadvisor is a joke and not to be used as any real indication of quality...
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 23 Jun 2012 5:03 PM
From: Haiti
DREADLOCK
I don't understand, I show you by the link, what Haiti have like the beautiful place, and now you try to over the conversation, you fall in the facility.
HAITI in this moment make progress and I SAY a lot of you don't want to see that.
I give you severals links to show you, you sleep on the past.
THE TOURIST WHO COME IN LABADEE KNOW THEY ARE IN HAITI.
GOOD LUCK DREAD.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 23 Jun 2012 5:08 PM
From: Haiti
RONEVANE
Je vois que tu essais de parler Français ça tombe bien. C'est la langue que je maîtrise le mieux avec le créole. L'espagnol cela ne fait que 3 mois que je m'autoforme.
Bon en tout cas merci pour ta pensée positive.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 23 Jun 2012 5:13 PM
From: Haiti
STILL
I don't understand you look for figures about HAITI. Why you come with the conversation between DREADLOCK AND ME?
We talk about the place of Haiti not about the country the most poor in the west hemisphere.
Your country is not the country most rich of the continent of America.
If your country is so rich, why youR colleagues leave it? Why they cannot leave usa for live in DR?
you are off-topic!!!!!!!
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 23 Jun 2012 5:25 PM
From: Haiti
STILL
The poorest country give your DR 1 billion dollars by year in the trade.
But now the new government want to divised it.
I think with that we will have more money to developp our country.
But unhappy, your farmers will cry to lack a lot of money.
Written by: stillhere, 23 Jun 2012 6:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
first I suggest you read all the post as you may learn I'm not Dominican...

"We talk about the place of Haiti not about the country the most poor in the west hemisphere."

It's one thing to talk about a place but the fact is a place is nothing without the people... It could be the most beautiful place in the world but that doesn't dismiss the problems just under the surface...
Saying that, the DR faces the same issues with the way things are perceived and the way they really are. It's always nice to look at only the good things but as this conversation moved to the difference between the reality and what some tend to gloss over or just ignore altogether, more people need to speak up..

Haiti and the DR governments have both been doing as they want with little consequence to their actions. Steps are being taken on both side but many are becoming impatient and see things moving far to slowly while the pigs at the trough continue the feeding frenzy on public money..
Written by: dreadlocks, 23 Jun 2012 7:16 PM
From: United States
kiskeyaman, i told you that the conversation was over, because i do not want you to goad me into saying unkind things about a sad place. people from Haiti should not look to start fights with others over whose country is more developed.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 23 Jun 2012 9:11 PM
From: Haiti
DREAD
you make me laugh, I don't think I LOOK FOR FIGHTING. But if a foreign told me a bad thing about my country, I Will fiht him. I defend my country about any nation who have little spirit.
I don't care about the level of a foreigner. If you attack me, I will not look at you. Here the HAITIANS ARE LIKE THAT. GO to try said bad thing in front of an HAITIAN IN USA, you will understand what I try to tell you. Is a fact, IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CRITIC YOUR COUNTRY YOU WILL CLOSE YOUR MOUTH? BECAUS USA IS MORE DEVELOPED THAN YOUR COUNTRY?
WHAT DEVELOPED? I don't think your country is so developed that HAITI.
I don't think, if THE NEW GOVERNMENT WORK HARD, we will take 5 years to reach the level of the JAMAICA. OK Don't talk with me, I see what kind of person is behind you.
w
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 23 Jun 2012 9:14 PM
From: Haiti
still
can you repeat what is your nationality?
What you try to tell me in your last message?
Written by: stillhere, 23 Jun 2012 10:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic

"can you repeat what is your nationality?"

No... Read it like most do before make assumptions about who, what or where people are from.. Even when it is very clear on this page....

ok let me try and make it simple....

Actually you know what,, I wrote you a nice piece explaining it ....... but I'm not going to bother after re-reading some of you posts... If you can't take criticism even in the face of facts, or voice your understand that Haiti has a very long hard road ahead... well ... good luck with blind faith and wishful thinking..
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 24 Jun 2012 10:16 AM
From: Haiti
STILL

KEEP YOUR ADVISE FOR YOU MAN! I think the best think haiti can do is to control all foreigner and the border.
and you, you think your country is a good country? who are you who give lesson here?
If HAITI HAVE MOST HAITIAN LIKE ME,THE PEOPLE LIKE YOU will don't come here for steal the ressources of this country like now.
What are you doing in dr,? Can you think your colleagues take criticism? PLEASE KEEP YOUR ADVISE FOR YOU AND ONCE AGAIN, your country are not perfect, please.
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Jun 2012 10:38 AM
From: United States
kiskeyaman, goodbye. go look for someone to fight with in a bateye.
Written by: stillhere, 24 Jun 2012 11:13 AM
From: Dominican Republic
"your country are not perfect, please."

I know my country is not perfect and it has a lot of thing to be critical of.. but burying my head in the sand and saying everything is just fine is just lying to myself.. Countries and democracy are made better though criticism and solutions, people standing up and saying "this is not good enough" "this is not what we voted for" etc etc...
The people of "my country" take to the streets, voice their opinions and stand their ground when faced with injustice, corruption, human rights being violated etc etc.

No it's not perfect but it's a continual ongoing process that has made it one of the most livable countries in the world....

Have I given you enough clues to now work out where I'm from yet???
Google "The Economist Intelligence Unit's Global Livability"... It has four cities in the top ten ....

Now go back put your head in the sand and good luck with your blind faith and wishful thinking..
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Jun 2012 11:23 AM
From: United States
go easy on him, stillhere. he is just a sad guy looking for a place to vent.
Written by: MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier, 24 Jun 2012 12:23 PM
From: United States, NJ
stillhere;
That is exactly what most of us are trying to bring about ,but right away the comparison arises between countries because our idiolgyy defers from theirs.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 24 Jun 2012 9:19 PM
From: Haiti
DREAD
You are so arrogant but I don't see what you have to be arrogant like that.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 24 Jun 2012 9:26 PM
From: Haiti
STILLTHERE
GO back where?
I think you deserve more than me to put your head in the sand, It's maybe for that you are in DR.
I think you know you will lost your place in the world, you begin to lost it.
You cannot do nothing man, you are so idiot to elect BUSH.
And now it's a black who trying to repare the sh*t you put in this country.
Go ahead, your people is in the same sh*t like the other country of the world.
You have an party who work only for the rich people.
Your country is more and more hate by the people. Even the DR dislike your country.
what do you do here? It's better if you stay in your country if you think it is so good.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 24 Jun 2012 9:28 PM
From: Haiti
still there
stop to say thank you to the queen of england. and after you can come to say something.
slave of the queen!
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 24 Jun 2012 9:40 PM
From: Haiti
I don't know why a jamaican can think they have an country developped. You have so ghetto in jamaica. I know well this country, if the white people don't manage this country, he will give it a bad reputation. JAMAICAN PEOPLE COME HERE TO SELL DRUG, AND BY A LOT OF UPONS.
THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE MORE THAN HAITI IS THE STABILITY POLITIK AND NOT AN EARTQUAKE. BUT HAITI WILL DOn't take longtime to be most developed than JAMAICA.
THE JAMAICAN PEOPLE BECOME SO ARROGANT, You forget who is the HAITIAN?
DON't forget we are the first nation of the earth. You have to respect that.
BEFORE GOD back I swear that YOU ALL GO CURVE your HEAD in front of HAITI.
You will have ashamed before the Haitians. Band of ungrate of the caribbean.
the wheel turn, you will understand that a day. Maybe if you are dreadlock a white people, you don't will understand that. I don't believe you are black, if it's the case, then you are a black without identity.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 24 Jun 2012 9:45 PM
From: Haiti
THERMO
"That is exactly what most of us are trying to bring about ,but right away the comparison arises between countries because our idiolgyy defers from theirs."

WHAT F*CKING THING YOU TRY TO SAY.
you are so fool to believe what you tell. because you judge a country about the attitude of one person?
That manner to be are dominicans. A f*king country, my hope if to close the border. ALL HAITIANS WHO WORK IN THIS MESS HAVE TO LEAVE IT. AND GIVE A FU*KING AMBARGO UNDER THE MESS OF DR, A F*KING COUNTRY WHO LIVE WITH HATE AGAINST THE HAITIANS.
IF A DAY I BECOME PRESIDENT, I WILL close your mouth, believe me.
I THINK ALL AUTORITIES OF HAITI HAVE TO MAKE ATTENTION TO THIS F*KING COUNTRY.
I MAKE CONFIDENCE MORE TO A CUBAN THAN A DR. A COWARD PEOPLE.

WHAT ARE YOU TRY TO SAY WITH THE KANGOROO MAN?
A MAN WHO BELIEVE IN THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND. HIS COUNTRY IS NOT INDEPENDANT.
Written by: stillhere, 25 Jun 2012 12:57 AM
From: Dominican Republic
KISKEYAMAN
"STILLTHERE
GO back where?
I think you deserve more than me to put your head in the sand, It's maybe for that you are in DR.
I think you know you will lost your place in the world, you begin to lost it.
You cannot do nothing man, you are so idiot to elect BUSH."

Well there we have it... I believe the is no more to be said...

It is always nice to sign off for the night with a good chuckle and a smile that will last a while. Although it is kind of sad too...

Anyone else want to add anything??
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Jun 2012 4:54 AM
From: Australia
KISKEYAMAN,
Shouts in upper-case,
"WHAT ARE YOU TRY TO SAY WITH THE KANGOROO MAN?
A MAN WHO BELIEVE IN THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND. HIS COUNTRY IS NOT INDEPENDANT."

Being stupid and ignorant is one thing, but being determined to remain so is another.
For the 10th time, QE2 is the Queen of many countries of the British Commonwealth, including Australia and Jamaica. She has no executive (or religious) powers what-so-ever. She has reserve powers, (look it up or get someone to explain). It is a system of democracy that works. The Haitian and Dominican kleptocratic systems never have.

As for independence, Australia is a prosperous nation that pays it's own way. The Dominican Republic lives of loans from foreign banks and Haiti lives of foreign charity.

So who's independent?
Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Jun 2012 11:38 AM
From: United States
RoyStone, as you can see, i do not attempt communicating with KISKEYAMAN. he is obviously a mental retard, whose handlers are unaware that he is playing with the PC. any guy from Haiti, who attempts to compare his country with ANY other country in the Western Hemisphere should be in a rubber room .actually, maybe that is where he is posting from.
Written by: stillhere, 25 Jun 2012 11:51 AM
From: Dominican Republic
KISKEYAMAN
"You cannot do nothing man, you are so idiot to elect BUSH."

Roy did you vote for Bush as well?? hahahahhahahahahhahahhahahah

It's still makes me laugh....
Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Jun 2012 12:18 PM
From: United States
i told you the guy is a retard. he just writes things, without the ability to think. he is like some ape who stumbled upon a computer, and is expressing the soup between his ears.
Written by: airgordo, 25 Jun 2012 12:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: stillhere, 24 Jun 2012 11:13 AM
From: Dominican Republic
"your country are not perfect, please."

I know my country is not perfect and it has a lot of thing to be critical of.. but burying my head in the sand and saying everything is just fine is just lying to myself.. Countries and democracy are made better though criticism and solutions, people standing up and saying "this is not good enough" "this is not what we voted for" etc etc...
The people of "my country" take to the streets, voice their opinions and stand their ground when faced with injustice, corruption, human rights being violated etc etc.

No it's not perfect but it's a continual ongoing process that has made it one of the most livable countries in the world....
===

SO WHAT a hell are you doing HERE on this sh!t hole??? GO BACK to your paradise and FORGET about this place, you should Go and BULLSH!T from the DISTANCE!!
Written by: airgordo, 25 Jun 2012 12:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Jun 2012 4:54 AM
From: Australia
KISKEYAMAN,
Shouts in upper-case,
"WHAT ARE YOU TRY TO SAY WITH THE KANGOROO MAN?
A MAN WHO BELIEVE IN THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND. HIS COUNTRY IS NOT INDEPENDANT."

Being stupid and ignorant is one thing, but being determined to remain so is another.
For the 10th time, QE2 is the Queen of many countries of the British Commonwealth, including Australia and Jamaica. She has no executive (or religious) powers what-so-ever. She has reserve powers, (look it up or get someone to explain). It is a system of democracy that works. The Haitian and Dominican kleptocratic systems never have.

As for independence, Australia is a prosperous nation that pays it's own way. The Dominican Republic lives of loans from foreign banks and Haiti lives of foreign charity.

So who's independent?
===
SURE, can she DISOLVE the goverment? do you have queen's representative? and i guess you bow to no one also? LOL...thanks for the good COMEDY...
Written by: airgordo, 25 Jun 2012 12:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: stillhere, 25 Jun 2012 11:51 AM
From: Dominican Republic
KISKEYAMAN
"You cannot do nothing man, you are so idiot to elect BUSH."

Roy did you vote for Bush as well?? hahahahhahahahahhahahhahahah

It's still makes me laugh..
===

I guess they did tell you that Saddam would blow up the Sidney Opera House and you beleived that Sh!t as well...that's just as good!
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 25 Jun 2012 4:39 PM
From: Haiti
airgodo
close your loud mouth idiot!
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 25 Jun 2012 4:57 PM
From: Haiti
I think I lost my time with a man who are so retarded and think I am retarded.
DREADLOCK ARE NOT JAMAICAN? this guy and the other are a group of idiot.
the kangaroo man, I think you are so idiot, I don't believe you are Australian. The new Generation
want to cut the cord with the queen elisabeth and you the archaic want that. what shame!
ROYSTONE PLEASE CLOSE YOUR LOUD MOUTH PLEASE.
YOU ARE NOT AUSTRALIAN.
DREAD LOCK OF SPIRIT GO IN YOUR MESS OF JAMAICA.
The jamaica is placed among the countries where the crime rate is highest.
Your tourist because your journalists are not telling all.

gocaribbean.about.com/od/healthandsafety/a/CaribMurder.htm
DOMINICAN IS MOST DANGEROUS THAN HAITI.
Who is retarded now?
The island where the
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Jun 2012 5:16 PM
From: Australia
Ron,
They were posted in the forum. I'll send you the links when I get back.
Written by: stillhere, 25 Jun 2012 5:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 25 Jun 2012 4:39 PM
From: Haiti
airgodo
close your loud mouth idiot!"
"Who is retarded now?"

AAAhhhh you! so much so your telling someone fighting your fight to shut up..???? Really??

Well now the we have Heckle joining Jeckle with Goofy putting in more brilliance of the highest standard of a DR education....

airgordo,
"SURE, can she DISOLVE the goverment? do you have queen's representative? and i guess you bow to no one also? LOL...thanks for the good COMEDY... "
"I guess they did tell you that Saddam would blow up the Sidney Opera House and you beleived that Sh!t as well...that's just as good!"

Wow... maybe you should start by looking up things before you post and not trust your education..... Just a thought...
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Jun 2012 8:21 PM
From: Australia
SPiNACH,
Get someone with a brain to show you how to do it. The rest of us have figured it out.
Then maybe tell us where you are going to import your food from when you stop importing it from the Dominican Republic? Oh and tell us how you will pay for it when the world's earthquake-pity charity runs out.
Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Jun 2012 8:27 PM
From: United States
you cannot show spinach, because he has no brain to understand it
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Jun 2012 4:53 AM
From: Australia
The article is about the Dominican Republic, no mention of Haiti. Every country in the Western Hemisphere is more advanced than Haiti. So what?
Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Jun 2012 10:08 AM
From: United States
to the two Haitian primates in the thread, Spinach, and Kiskeyaman

Jamaican medical personnel attend to an earthquake victim in one of many makeshift outdoor 'hospitals' set up in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. Many Jamaicans, in true neighbourly fashion, assisted Haitians affected by the quake, donating cash, food, water and clothes, while others flew or sailed in to assist health and search-and-rescue operations. - Ian Allen/Photographer

if you had some class, style , and good breeding, you would have the decency to be grateful to a country for helping you out, when the chips were down. Jamaica was one of the first countries to collect aid, and to send people, at their own expense, to help you out. now, instead of acting like a civilized human being, you show the world that you are two ill bred, low class, ungrateful, miserable specimens of humanity, by trying to belittle and degrade a country that offered you help. it is no wonder that the rank and file Dominican despises your kind.
Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Jun 2012 10:14 AM
From: United States
get this in those empty heads of yours. you will NEVER approach the achievements, and level of development, of Jamaica. not in your lifetime. Haiti is the orphan stepchild of the western hemisphere. it is the poorest, most backward, basket case there is. you have been presided over by a succession of dictators and kleptocrats, and , despite your claim to independence, you still get your adult supervision from the international community. if there were no UN peacekeepers there, you would have all eaten each other by now, after you ran out of mud cookies. bugger off, losers. go cut down some more trees, to make charcoal. we prefer to cook with natural gas, and propane.
Written by: stillhere, 26 Jun 2012 10:46 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Thank you Dready..

Humility is not in hearts of these two peoples . Haiti has many great people it is just a shame that we have these two contributing to the conversations.
I think I will invite my neighbors to post on here . As a Haitian family living in the DR I know they will dismiss these two as spiteful Haitians, and voice their shame to be from the same land as them.

Do you wish to rise? Begin by descending. You plan a tower that will pierce the clouds? Lay first the foundation of humility.
Saint Augustine

Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Jun 2012 11:03 AM
From: United States
true, stillhere.i have many Haitian friends, who would be ashamed to admit they were Haitian, after reading the nonsense coming from these two chimpanzees.
Written by: stillhere, 26 Jun 2012 4:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic
SPiNACH,
"Jamaica sent rescue team , hahaha . You know why ? To the point whites and blacks along where wondering what are the black countries doing for Haiti all they see is the white world and were criticized . That's after they saw so many white foreigners coming to help Haiti so they saw everybody doing it than they did also"

So is this also why Chile, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, China etc etc, sent rescue teams so it wasn't just the white guys perceived to be helping save lives????
I really just don't know what is going on up there in your head, who you are reading and listening to or do you just make this stuff up.???? You clearly do read "stuff" but you may need to expand who and what you are reading and listening too.

Dready. this thread is like a car crash we can't stop looking at.... hahahhaha
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 26 Jun 2012 4:46 PM
From: Haiti
Good job Spinach!
Now, I hope the kangooroo man, ROY el exiled, and DREAD LOCK will close their loud mouths.
Specially the Jamaican who look like a crocodile. HAHAHAA
Written by: stillhere, 26 Jun 2012 4:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Good job Spinach!

Good job? with what?
Show the readers of this site that your not the only angry and uninformed Haitian on here????
Then yes good job!
Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Jun 2012 8:11 PM
From: United States
two morons, showing their ignorance to the world. they really think people take them seriously.
Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Jun 2012 8:13 PM
From: United States
hey, you two chimpanzees, go pray to your voodoo gods that the DR does not find a way to effectively seal the border between the two countries, or you will all be eating each other for brealfast.
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Jun 2012 10:44 PM
From: Australia
Dready,
10 points - I had to laugh!
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Jun 2012 10:44 PM
From: Australia
Dready,
10 points - I had to laugh!
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Jun 2012 10:36 AM
From: United States
Santiago.- A Santiago three judge court on Tuesday sentenced the Haitians Alex Lato and Lulo Doraluz to 20 years in prison for the rape of a U.S. missionary, in 2010.

spinach and kiskeyaman, perhaps? i mean, that is their idea of gratitude. people lend you a hand, in time of need, and you repay them by negative actions. really great, folks.
Written by: RoyStone, 27 Jun 2012 5:50 PM
From: Australia
Dready,
There is no justification for rape, however most US missionaries are not there to "lend a hand" but rather to steal market share from the Catholic church for some Evangelist church - switching brands of Jesus - same phony product but different pricing, packaging and market strategy.
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Jun 2012 7:30 PM
From: United States
absolutely right, RoyStone. however, they should be allowed to carry on their nefarious project withoit some primate raping them.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 27 Jun 2012 8:02 PM
From: Haiti
DREADLOCK
You dare tolk about primate? DO YOU LOOK AT YOURSELF? You are the real chimpanzee.
You share to talk about voodoo? You forget where you from?
Jamaica is the island where the idiot put the black people.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 27 Jun 2012 8:04 PM
From: Haiti
DREADLOCK
I see you are a great coward, you forget who you are!
JAMAICA PRACTISE THE VOODOO LOOK AT THIS; yor sister talk about that.
youtube.com/watch?v=d9DQ_YrwFQ8
Written by: RoyStone, 27 Jun 2012 9:39 PM
From: Australia
Dready,
We are all of the order, Primates:

Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Primates
Family: Hominidae
Tribe: Hominini
Genus: Homo
Species: H. sapiens
Written by: stillhere, 27 Jun 2012 9:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic
SPiNACH
"Pun k you cannot compare my knowledge to yours cl0wn , you're chatting pure B S "

Well post you extensive knowledge, because we as sure as sh^&t we haven't read any from you yet... cl0wn......

Still to explain what a Haitian living in Canada is doing commenting ( putting in nicely ) on a Dominican news website????
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Jun 2012 10:28 AM
From: United States
SPINACH and KISKEYAMAN...

World list of FAILED STATES...

number 5 ...HAITI

that makes it the 5th most backward, primitive, underdeveloped, country, in THE WORLD. so, instead of trying to compare yourself to Jamaica, you need to catch up with scores of other countries, first. get some schools, so you can produce more intelligent people than you two neanderthals.
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Jun 2012 10:31 AM
From: United States
you really believe he knows where Canada is? this mutt just picked a name off the internet. they would never let a cro magnon like him through immigration in any country but Haiti.
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Jun 2012 11:06 AM
From: United States
what´s up with this, SPINACH?

Haiti: A Nation of Beggars and Slaves.

ARTICLE, on the web.

beggars, and slaves. and, with you and Kiskeyaman, idiots. what are you doing in Canada? living the life of a sankie, being supported by some fat assed 70 year old woman in Montreal? i can understand why. who would want to stay in Haiti? at least, in Jamaica, we have achieved something since independence. after 1804, you have beeen nothing but a dysfunctional land of chaos and anarchy, poverty, HIV , cholera, deforestation, voodoo, and uselessness. the international community has to keep taking up charitable contributions to send you used sneakers , and old jeans that some guy used to wear in Minnesota, while he mowed the lawn. you really have some nerve, comparing yourself to ANYONE in the western hemisphere. you are at the bottom of the barrel in Human Development.
Written by: stillhere, 28 Jun 2012 11:15 AM
From: Dominican Republic

And still wont say why a Haitian living in Canada is commenting on a Dominican news website??
But the more you ignore the question the more irrelevant you are, I have answer the question and you replied with nothing but another question....

@Stil here

Angry ?

Who
Moi ?
L
O
L
N. O. t

"Shut yer mouth Bwoy , Jamaica , Jamaica , you re a clown ,I repeat again Jamaica is nt Sh......."
"And , you sir aren't Sh...............
shut
Yer
Mouth
mopHead Bwoy"

mmm I beg to differ, with such remarks as above have a very angry overtones......


Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Jun 2012 11:16 AM
From: United States
HUMAN DEVELOPMENT INDEX

JAMAICA...RANKING 80...HIGH HUMAN DEVELOPMENT CATEGORY

HAITI...RANKING 158...LOW HUMAN DEVELOPMENT CATEGORY

oops....

by the way, there is NO country in the western hemisphere below Haiti. THE VERY WORST!!!

oops...
Written by: stillhere, 28 Jun 2012 11:46 AM
From: Dominican Republic

Dready, the car crash just keeps going and we can't take our eyes off it.....hahhahahahhahahah
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Jun 2012 12:54 PM
From: United States
these two morons have no idea that there is a real world going on around them, and that people might believe that they reflect the intellectual level of Haitians, in general. that would really be a sad outcome.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 28 Jun 2012 5:46 PM
From: Haiti
dread lock
Close your mouth please, I am tired to hear a little idiot like you.
You are not a great person for the Jamaican People. I think you are the shame of Jamaica.
Please, I don't have any time to read your stupidity.
I think you are the real animal, The haitian is your master. What are you doing in your life? Little JAMAICAN. Bob Marley is dead, What do you have? nothing else. And your journalist don't say all. It's for that the people come in your mess, a lot of people don't say the truth, in JAMAICA a lot of people make sacrifice. A lot of people eat a lot of people. JAMAICA have a lot of people who practice VOODOO. I KNOW THAT, BECAUSE A JAMAICAN SHOW ME A VIDEO WHERE YOU DO THAT. Please don't make me angry, because you can cry after that. PLEASE GO WASH YOUR TEETH.
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Jun 2012 6:59 PM
From: United States
at least we had Bob Marley. you have cholera, and aids, and beggars, and flies, and no trees, and no tourists, and no schools, and no hospitals, and poverty everywhere. you never saw a lightbulb before some charity worker got you a visa to Canada. you better hope that the Canadian woman supporting you does not get sick of you, or you will be back in Dajabon selling one week old hard boiled eggs, dressed in the dirty old jeans some guy from Atlanta collected to helpout your fellow beggar people. get this, moron....the WORST country in the western hemisphere. now go choke on your mud cookies.
Written by: stillhere, 28 Jun 2012 7:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"The haitian is your master." and the world bank, IMF and all the NGO's are yours, except you'll never repay any of them....

What would be your story if say the world didn't come in the hundreds (including many Dominicans) to help save lives after the earth quake???? If world governments and million of individuals hadn't dug deep into their own pockets to help rebuild Haiti, what would your cry's be then??

Humility and grace is something I'm know many Haitian have but you two show nothing but spite and anger when facts are shown and truths are spoken...

Now just p#*s off and go put your heads back in the sand..or back up where the sun don't shine (except you think it does)..

Sorry folks.... just had to let it out.. carry on........
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Jun 2012 7:35 PM
From: United States
brilliantly put, stillhere.these two pieces of garbage are an embarrassment to the millions of decent Haitians, who are a pleasure to be associated with.
Written by: RoyStone, 28 Jun 2012 7:42 PM
From: Australia
Thanks, Stillhere, well said and saved me the trouble.
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Jun 2012 8:01 PM
From: United States
democracy prevails . three people , each with a functioning brain, outnumbering two apes, with sh*t for brains.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 28 Jun 2012 8:24 PM
From: Haiti
DREADLOCK
CLOSE YOUR MOUTH BECAUSE YOU AR THE SHAME OF JAMAICA. YOU ARE NOT A GOOD THING FOR THIS WEB SIDE.
STILL THE KANGOOROO, it's time to return in your country. You have nothing to do here.
ELISABETH WAIT FOR YOU IN AUSTRALIA.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 28 Jun 2012 8:26 PM
From: Haiti
ROYSTONE
what still say? nothing a lot of sh*t, exactly like the person of DREDLOCK. A BULL OF SH*T.THIS GUY IS THE SHAME OF HUMANITY AND ESPECIALLY OF JAMAICA.
Written by: stillhere, 28 Jun 2012 8:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic
KISKE
"You have nothing to do here."
I do have things to do here, as I have already said.... do you?

And the question goes out to you as well.. this is a Dominican news website, so if you not here or from here why are you on here??
Written by: dreadlocks, 29 Jun 2012 11:55 AM
From: United States
kiskeyaman, what is the price of mud cookies this week?
Written by: stillhere, 29 Jun 2012 5:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic
SPiNACH
"we're now debt free and so what ?" Do you mean "not debt free" now debt free???

I have said before, you should read your own comments before posting them and read others post carefully, you do miss many things and fail to understand almost everything...

"I hate typing and you don't want to start with me , besides me and Dominicans aren t buddies ."
Why you have more pointless garbage to talk about? I could understand why you wouldn't have any Dominican friends, or any friend at all for that fact......

Again wow you really do not read anything do you?? "you're still banana repub" You mean me as an individual??? the DR or the country I'm from???
Written by: stillhere, 29 Jun 2012 5:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
As for thinking you are entitled to be called " Mr User " I call people I respect Mr. ...... You have no self respect, no respect for anything but your own inflated sense of self and the delusion that what you say has any credibility at all. Or is that your a User? Would explain a lot!
So a Mr from me addressing you....
You are funny sometimes but the laughter dies off and becomes the realization that it's all just very sad...

Still to explain what a Haitian living in Canada is doing commenting ( putting in nicely ) on a Dominican news website????
Written by: dreadlocks, 29 Jun 2012 6:43 PM
From: United States
an angry guy, from a wilderness country, lashing out at whoever he can. guess what, both you primates. if the countries of Australia, and Jamaica, ceased to exist tomorrow, Haiti would still be just what it is...a place to pity.
Written by: dreadlocks, 29 Jun 2012 7:26 PM
From: United States
SPINACH, two bits of news for you

1...we all know that you are here

2...nobody cares
Written by: dreadlocks, 29 Jun 2012 7:56 PM
From: United States
because i have to help defend the site from apes like you, who intend to ghettoize it. i am member number 4 at DT. i was here the day it started. i have an emotional stake in it, so it galls me when a long list of primitives, you included, drag it into the gutter, where you come from.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 29 Jun 2012 9:13 PM
From: Haiti
DREAD LOCK
I repeat it again, you are a shame for your country. Close your loud mouth lille pig. You are not Jamaican because you don't have black attitude. YOU ARE A LITTLE IDIOT, if your mess is so good why you are in USA? YOUR PARADISE IS A MESS OF SH*T. YOU HAVE A LOT OF VIOLENCE IN YOUR MESS MAN.
PLEASE KILL YOURSELF OR GIVE A BREAK TO YOUR MOUTH
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 29 Jun 2012 9:15 PM
From: Haiti
still there
kangooroo man, please i have more right than you, to be here. what do you f*king here. come back in the country you have stolen.
stop to exploit the dominican people.
Written by: stillhere, 29 Jun 2012 9:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"Why getting Australia involved for ?"

My god really... And I have to say it AGAIN.... READ THE COMMENTS!!!!! Dip S&*t

When you say "you're still banana repub" you are referring to me and my country ..right? Then work it out .... I'M NOT FROM HERE ... GOT IT??????

Jamaica has fallen behind ...yes.....for them now to move and improve is some much smaller adjustments than some others that are in the conversation.. And with out all the free money

But look what their fame was and still is ... what is Haiti's fame??? Boat people, mud cakes, earth quake, very bad building standards and Andre Berto... Well that's all I knew about it before I came to the DR... Ask An average American and they will say one of the above, or Wyclef Jean

"Haiti Holds Many Hidden Value for Investors" Yes... very cheap labor, cheap land and a much cheaper bribes than most Caribbean Nations... So look carefully to who is investing as it may not bring what you hope for...
Written by: RoyStone, 30 Jun 2012 1:23 AM
From: Australia
What does HIV stand for?
H = Human immunodeficiency virus
IV = Roman numeral for the number four - the 4 high areas for AIDS
1) Homosexuals
2) Heroin addicts (Hypodermic)
3) Hemophiliacs
4) Haitians


Written by: dreadlocks, 30 Jun 2012 9:50 AM
From: United States
this is a passage from an article on Labadee, the Haitian cruise ship port. Royal Caribbean does not mention the word Haiti in the brochures, or it would never get any customers. instead, it tells visitors that they are going to a private island OFF THE COAST OF HAITI. this is how it is described

At Labadee, the deception is buttressed by physical barriers. Thick jungle surrounds the beach. Beyond that a ten-foot-high iron wall, watched by armed guards, spans the accessible perimeter.

ten foot high iron wall, to keep the Haitians out, so they do not get to eat visitors for dinner.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 30 Jun 2012 3:22 PM
From: Haiti
DREAD LOCK
Why you don't close your smell mouth instead to try to said lieas.
IF your jamaica mess is so good what are you doing in usa? Your country is a great mess more violent than HAITI. Your colleague are so violence you are among that the country like AFGHANISTAN or IRAK. LABADEE IS KNOW BY THE TOURIST LIKE A PLACE OF HAITI.
THANK TO LABADEE HAITI HAVE SEVERAL MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
CLOSE YOUR MOUTH LITTLE PIG.
YOU DON't stop in this site web, you talk about voodoo then your country have a lot of people who practise this religion. YOU speak about JAMAICA BUT WHAT IS JAMAICA? THIS COUNTRY WANT ABSOLUTELY COME TO INVEST HERE IN HAITI. Because the see a lot of opportunities that HAITI CAN GIVE. YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR INFORMATION BECAUSE HAITI BECOME A COUNTRY WHO WILL DEVELOPP. HAITI Don't have only labadee, we have JACMEL, ILES A VACHES, ILE DE LA GONAVE, ILE DE LA TORTUE those place will receive a lot of tourists. JAMAICA IS SO LITTLE, It's no for that you are a brainless pig
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 30 Jun 2012 3:36 PM
From: Haiti
ROYSTONE
You forget in your mess of DR, a lot of person have the VIH. Your sisters DOMINICANS HAVE THAT IN THEIR BLOOD. A lot of puta en todo mundo. Please instead to see after the HAITIAN TRY to wash your teeth and the ass of your sisters where all woods are welcome.

DREADL LOCO

YOU ARE the ape, the most stupide of this world. I don't think you can come back in JAMAICA. Because you are a f*cking guy who have maybe a skind black but a f*cking thinking of hole of ass.IS for that I THINK YOU ARE THE SHAME OF JAMAICA.

STILL THERE
PLEASE , the queen of ENGLAND CALL YOU TO WASH YOUR TEETH AND TO CLEAN HIS ASS.GO BRAINLESS. YOU ARE NOT SO RICH, because the queen have the right to veto in your parliament. PLEASE GO IN YOUR COUNTRY AND DANSE WITH THE KANGOOROO, instead to speak a lot of stupidity here.
Written by: stillhere, 30 Jun 2012 5:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic
hahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhaha

Man ... again expand what you read and listen too... You couldn't make more of a fool of yourself if you tried. The Queen can technically dissolve elected government but hasn't in over 300 years and will not now..

Ok I think I'm done looking at this train wreck of ignorance and stupidity coming from these two...
No creditable facts or intelligent insight on the subjects, nothing but assumptions about others status, origins and knowledge of the world around them... Even when between the three of us I would be confident in saying we would have lived in more place around the world than they could name...
So .. it was fun... but now it just very very sad... I wish the two for you well and hope one day you learn to understand the virtues of humility and grace, to know when to listen, when to ask the right questions, make informed comments and not to assume to know it all....

You may want to see someone about your anger issues too...
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 30 Jun 2012 7:13 PM
From: Haiti
still there
you're not in position to give advice. I think the advises that you mentionned are for you. You should practised it for you. You have no humility, you allow yourself to criticize a people who are according to the other nations a poor nation.
A COUNTRY WHO GIVE DR 1 billion BY YEAR IS POOR? WE HAVE MORE MONEY THAN DR. BEFORE WE DOn't have government, but now, the things change. I think what is sad is the fact that you criticize a people who is the father of universal human freedom.
You should in my humble opinion, seek to know the Haitians, instead of swallowing the spittle of the Dominicans.
You can say what you want, but it's not because I do not control your tongue that I am more stupid than you.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 30 Jun 2012 7:14 PM
From: Haiti
still 2
I have the right to not to share your opinion and that's what we call democracy. It is true that you did not have a president, you can not understand that.
Before you criticize others you should self-criticize, because if you see yourself as a humble and intelligent person,your comments show the contrary.
SEE AGAIN your copy!
Written by: dreadlocks, 30 Jun 2012 7:50 PM
From: United States
hey, kiskeyaman...statistics from the Central Intelligence Agency


Population below poverty line:
80% (2003 est.)
that is Haiti. not so good. Jamaica has 14%. not so bad, at least comapred to Haiti
Written by: dreadlocks, 30 Jun 2012 7:53 PM
From: United States
It's Haiti. but not to the passengers. There is no stamp on their passports and most of them don't know where they are. the Royal Caribbean Cruise Liner's flier said they'd be arriving at "LABADEE" -- which is part of Haiti, say small letters buried in the flier's text. A reservation agent for Royal Caribbean tells tourists that the ships sail to "our private island" (a description echoed by the tape recording potential tourists hear if she places them on hold). When pressed, the agent adds that "the island" is located "off the coast of Hispaniola."

that is Labadee. they cannot say it is Haiti, or nobody will buy a trip there.
Written by: dreadlocks, 30 Jun 2012 8:18 PM
From: United States
you are so angry, SPINACH.. what´s the matter? have a terminal case of AIDS?
Written by: stillhere, 30 Jun 2012 8:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dready... don't bother my friend, we have wasted way to much time with this.. as funny as it is, it's time to give up on the hope that they may learn, understand, recognize and admit to the problems of their country and the problem that many others face too. Their failing to read in full our post in detail and understand what we have said is just a shame, but I guess some will never grow or move past their own failing and continue to blame other that are only pointing out truths...

Time to forget them and move forward to more intelligent conversations...
I know ..I know.. it is hard to find on here some times but there are some very good, smart and knowledgeable people on here to...
Written by: RoyStone, 30 Jun 2012 8:33 PM
From: Australia
SPiNACH,
declares
"No more nice guy"
referring to who?

Popeye, if you had even half a brain you would learn from Dready how to do put-downs with finesse, relevance and humor. Reference to excrement and insulting one’s mother might be all the rage in Port au Prince, (since there are almost no lavatories and no-one knows who their father is) however in the civilized world, it is just so passé.
Written by: stillhere, 30 Jun 2012 8:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Anger and intolerance are the enemies of correct understanding.
Mahatma Gandhi

Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.
Mark Twain

I love it when someone insults me. That means that I don't have to be nice anymore.
Billy Idol

Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong.
Jean-Jacques Rousseau

Anger dwells only in the bosom of fools.
Albert Einstein

Written by: RoyStone, 30 Jun 2012 8:45 PM
From: Australia
some good quotes, stillhere, thanks.
Written by: RoyStone, 30 Jun 2012 9:06 PM
From: Australia
SPiNACH,
I see it differently.
1) The Dominican Republic has massive problems - even the most patriotic Dominicans realize that. So it is comforting to know that the country still has not reached rock-bottom, since their closest neighbor is lower still.
2) Dominicans have not come to terms with their overthrow by USA, the most powerful country in the world. Having been overthrown by Haiti, no matter how long ago, is unthinkable.
3) The Dominican Republic has enough problems with overpopulation and unemployment, especially at the lowest end of the socioeconomic scale, and does not need an influx of illegal Haitians from the bottom of their socioeconomic scale.
4) Dominicans consider they are multicultural and tolerant. They are the opposite and are prejudiced against anyone whiter or blacker than them.
5) Arguably the Dominican Republic did more to help Haiti after the earthquake than any other country, but many Dominicans feel it was not appreciated by Haiti or the world.
Yeah?
Written by: stillhere, 30 Jun 2012 10:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I'm sorry Dready and Roy.. but I just have to point out again the comment that just show what I have been saying all along...

",because you went to school in D R or what ever ? "

It looks like they only read just part of some of what we write...

Roy you never answered if you voted for Bush too???
Written by: stillhere, 30 Jun 2012 11:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic
How is it your not commenting on this article as it relates to Haiti?

Haiti looks to Dominican Republic to launch its tourism
Written by: RoyStone, 30 Jun 2012 11:23 PM
From: Australia
stillhere,
asks
"Roy you never answered if you voted for Bush too???"

I must be missing the point here, since I am sure you are aware that Australians can't vote in American elections.
Written by: dreadlocks, 1 Jul 2012 9:59 AM
From: United States
Haiti

With that may come donor fatigue. Outsiders have been pumping money into Haiti for 15 years, until recently with little to show for it. But Ms Pierre-Louis impressed the aid lobby.

that´s right, SPINACH. for more than 15 years. Haiti has been the beggar nation of the hemisphere forever, living off handouts, charity, and sympathy. it is still as backward as it was in 1804. you boast of independence, with nothing to show for it. you tell us about all these glorious achievements, but they are in your mind. when i tell people i am Jamaican, they think of the reggae, Bob Marley, great food, great athletes, insane violence, out of control murders, and drug dealers. when you tell people that you are Haitian, they think of AIDS, cholera, governmental dysfunction, refugees to the DR , working for slave wages, people living on 1 dollar a day, no electricity, no phones, no computers, an mud cookies. and, sankies like you, living off Canadian women. BEGGAR NATION.
Written by: dreadlocks, 1 Jul 2012 10:06 AM
From: United States
says SPINACH, in the best language his Haitian educated mind can muster

Written by: SPiNACH, 30 Jun 2012 8:25 PM
From: Canada
@dreadlocks
Yeah maybe after f....... Your dru g Jamaican addi ict Mother

that is not likely to happen, for two basic reasons

1..my mother already has passed away.

2..even while alive, she would never entertain the idea of sex with farm animals.

keep showing your hatred and jealousy for Jamaica, because that is the best you will do. in 50 years, Haiti might get its first flush toilet. problem is, they will still drink the water from it, and get more cholera.
Written by: dreadlocks, 1 Jul 2012 10:11 AM
From: United States
keep dreaming, SPINACH, about all the glorious opportunities for development. keep posting copy and paste articles.that is all theory. in reality, you are going NOWHERE. nobody is going to invest in any sector of the Haitian economy, if there is such a thing, which will mean economic development. in order for that to happen,you need HUMAN CAPITAL. that means educated people, who can understand, and assimilate, modern methods, and technologies. the most modern technology in Haiti,as we speak, is the charcoal stove. you have , maybe, a few peoplewho can count past ten. you are going NOWHERE. see you at the Olympics, if you can get some charity to pay for the athletes to get on a plane.
Written by: dreadlocks, 1 Jul 2012 10:15 AM
From: United States
says Mevs

We need everything. And we need people to train Haitians in this industry," relayed Mevs.

darn right, you need everything, since you have NOTHING. one more appeal for a handout. you are going NOWHERE, because whatever the world community gives you, your leaders steal it. 50 years from now, you will be writing the same thing, because 80% of the population will still be living on less than 2 dollars per day. face it, fella.. Haiti is the hellhole of the Caribbean, and the most primitive country in the western hemisphere. it is still in the Stone Age.
Written by: stillhere, 1 Jul 2012 11:17 AM
From: Dominican Republic
We
Are
Speaking
Of
Redoing and Exploiting Haiti

"Exploiting" Do you know what this word means?? in this context it's not good...

"Didnt sell ( Labadee ) either to royal Carribean , if their lease is over ,the infrastructure will still stay "
After spending so much on setting up this place you think they will just walk away after the lease is up? You think they would just hand over all they have sent back to Haiti with out a cent reimbursement? Yes the infrastructure may stay if they leave, at a cost, at a cost well above what most would be willing to pay or have at hand, maybe they could lease it back to you???

Your talking of hopes and dreams for Haiti that are going to happen that have not happened as yet, We all have these hopes for your land, but hopes without actions and drastic changes that is all they will be... More and more NOG's voice their frustrations about the lack of changes and wasted money in the wrong places... Not unlike what they say about the DR t
Written by: stillhere, 1 Jul 2012 11:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic

Not once has there been a mention for these two about the vast amounts of aid money poured into Haiti over the decades, not one wold of gratefulness show to other countries that have seen their money stolen, wasted or pissed away before it can reach or help the people it was intended for....

There for you seen the repercussions of the anger shown to those that only wish the best for a land that has gone through so much pain and has had the worst of human nature thrust against it people.
That is why I talk of humility and grace, the world isn't looking for praise or even a thank you note. It's wanting to see a true understanding of that went wrong and that it wont fall back to the past.. The need to see the fundamental changes that need to happen within it's people, for the country to for full all your hope and it true potential.
Again this is true for the DR as well, with major changes towards corruption, greed, justice and to holding those who have done wrong accountable..
Written by: dreadlocks, 1 Jul 2012 12:15 PM
From: United States
says SPINACH

I am not jealous of Jamaica , I am telling you that your days are over

our days might be over. you never had any days, and you will never have any. as i said, in 50 years, you might get a flush toilet. in the meantime , just keep spreading aids, cholera, malaria, and other diseases. Jamaica might be in a rough economic patch, but we are doing the recovery by IMF loans. you only live off charity. you are so backeard, and primitive, the world sees you as an object of sympathy. since 1804, the only two things you have done is to invade someone elses country, being a nuisance to the people, and now you are invading it again, making life unbearable for Dominicans, stressing their social services, bringing in disease and misery, and causing the people to despise you. at least nobody can wish that Jamaicans would get out of their country. Haitians have been allowed to set up refugee camps in Jamaica, but a low class piece of garbage like you has no gratitude. GO HOME!
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 1 Jul 2012 7:53 PM
From: Haiti
DEAD LOCK

I think you are jealous of the good future of Haiti. Sorry, now HAITI HAVE a great government who work for us. Even the Jamaicans want to invest in HAITI. What do you think about this fact?
The rich of BAHAMAS want to invest in HAITI. Haiti see a lot of Tourists come back. ILE A VACHE, JACMEL, Ile de la tortue, ile de la gonave,all those places will be rich soon. A lot of invest begin in HAITI. YOU ARE NEGATIVE ABOUT OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE YOU ARE JEALOUS. HAITI HAVE THEIR PROBLEMS LIKE JAMAICA AND DR. But you are so arrogant, you think you are superior.let me tell you little idiot, cholera is bringing by the guys of MINUSTHA. The guys who work for the UN. Even DR HAS CHOLERA. IN JAMAICA YOU HAVE A LOT OF DISEASES
I think you are very stranger, you don't want to hear SPINACH BECAUSE YOU ARE SURE he said the truth.
Haiti doing the economic REVOLUTION AND FIGHTING THE SMUGGLING.
HAITI FIGHT THE CORRUPTION NOW, and the marcket with DR WILL CLOSE SOON.
Written by: RoyStone, 1 Jul 2012 8:15 PM
From: Australia
Dready,
Would you mind not confusing the issue with facts? This is a comedy blog, a kind of delusional bullshitting competition. I'm enjoying it immensely. It also helps me overcome any guilt for not donating to any "apologize-to-Haiti-for-the-earthquake charity".


Written by: cibaeño75, 1 Jul 2012 10:36 PM
From: United States, New York City
I didn't become acquainted with the West Indian community here in my city until I joined the work force and started college. One thing that struck me is how much Haitians are disliked by the denizens of the English speaking islands. I never went into details with anyone as to the why but the animosity is there and it's palpable. But then again some of the Englishpeaking islands don't even like each other.
Written by: cibaeño75, 1 Jul 2012 10:54 PM
From: United States, New York City
Hey spinach don't go throwing any rocks at glass houses. Jamaica's problems with crime cannot be seperated from the state of development she is currently in. I'm certain that if Haiti had a similiar level of development, which in all honesty is WELL behind that of Jaimaca, Haiti would have serious problems in crime like her neighbor and Jamaica. Haiti is still a relatively backward nation years behind everyone in the region with a criminal class that reflects as much. Today you have roving bands committing rapes and what not in port au prince. Let the tourists arrive in droves with their wallets and apetites and we'll see what becomes of Haiti's dissafected youth.
Written by: cibaeño75, 1 Jul 2012 11:28 PM
From: United States, New York City
If you don't want to be addressed by Dominicans you've picked the wrong venue. And yes, we are enemies. Not because your Haitian but because you are an idiot. All idiots everywhere and regardless of nationality are my enemies. Enjoy living in the Haiti that exists in your mind and your mind only. While you are on your endless tirades of nonsensical posts..mind telling us what's the color of the sky in your world?
Written by: stillhere, 1 Jul 2012 11:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I have nothing to do with Dominicans , they are our swor n enemies and it will escalate , because , Haitians are ha ting them ebpven more , regardless of what engagements we currently have with you
We hat e you , just as much as you hat e us .

i am m hearing this from most probably a Dominican , an enemy , someone that would definitely hate to see my country get ahead , unless you re a Cuban , a Panamanaen or Venezuelan
If you're not than its useless to Adress me


Well then....... F&*%K OFF
this is a Dominican news website.. and that's who's on here DUMB ASS ...DOMINICANS and people living in the Dominican Republic... ...You hate everyone not Haitian, Cuban, Panamanian or Venezuelan and only want to talk them???Then go piss off to their website....
Written by: stillhere, 2 Jul 2012 12:02 AM
From: Dominican Republic

You so sure Dread is not Jamaican... so why are you giving him sh&^t about Jamaica??

Is that not just a little contradictory to your argument ???
And what would a Jamaican restaurant in England have to do with Jamaica having the problems it has??? So I should blame Argentina for the time I got food poisoning in LA???? Numb skull.....
Written by: stillhere, 2 Jul 2012 12:11 AM
From: Dominican Republic
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (AP) — The prosecution of rape cases in Haiti remains bogged down, and justice is rarely served, the United Nations mission in the impoverished country said in a report released Tuesday.

The study by the U.N.'s human rights section in Haiti, carried out with the cooperation of police and judicial officials, examined a sample of 62 rape complaints filed over a three-month period in 2010 at five of the busiest police stations in the metropolitan area of Port-au-Prince. The U.N. report noted the sample was small compared with about 500 rapes recorded in the capital for all of 2010 by local women's organizations.
None of the 62 rape complaints went to trial more than a year after they were filed with police, the U.N. report said.
As of December 2011, only one the 62 cases in the sample period had been referred for trial, but the trial had not begun.
Written by: stillhere, 2 Jul 2012 12:29 AM
From: Dominican Republic
I wasn't addressing you Spinach... As you wont be addressed by anyone other than Cuban's, Panamanian's or Venezuelan's....As you hate us and we are your enemies, I guess no one on here is addressing you. So just ignore anything we write because in your own words

"unless you re a Cuban , a Panamanaen or Venezuelan If you're not than its useless to Adress me"
Written by: cibaeño75, 2 Jul 2012 3:50 AM
From: United States, New York City
Spinach since you went on this tirade of how your fellow Haitians thought they were too good to mix with the likes of American blacks and Jamaicans because the latter two mentioned groups were supposedly predisposed to crime I want you to google three words...Zoe Pound Gang.
Written by: RoyStone, 2 Jul 2012 5:55 AM
From: Australia
For those who have forgotten, the title of this article is "Dominican Republic, a developed country by 2025" - nothing to do with Haiti. Maybe it should have said "Dominican Republic takes over Haiti by 2025"? Second to USA annexing Haiti, it would be the best thing to happen to the place.
Written by: cibaeño75, 2 Jul 2012 6:57 AM
From: United States, New York City
spinach breath. Dominicans(and I'm pretty sure I can speak for the majority here) are not in the slightest sense interested in invading Haiti or in even peacefully unifying with her. On the contrary. Most Dominicans would like to see their nation disentangled from the malaise that is currently Haiti as much as possible. The majority of movement between the two nations is coming from one direction and it's not emanating from DR. Don't worry about Dominicans trying anything. There is nothing in Haiti that is coveted by the people on the other side rest assured. Back to the subject at hand...DR will not be a developed nation any time soon ..there is an albatross around her neck that will prevent her from doing so, and that albatross is Haiti.
Written by: cibaeño75, 2 Jul 2012 7:02 AM
From: United States, New York City
Oh...so according to Spinach there were places that were inaccesable before the earthquake due to badasses armed with AKs, something that he seems oddly proud about...but on the same thread he berates Jaimaca for her violence and gun culture. LOL. Hilarious. But also sad in a way. Get professional help Spinach.
Written by: RoyStone, 2 Jul 2012 7:44 AM
From: Australia
Remind me, when did the Haitian military last distinguish itself in conflict?
Written by: RoyStone, 2 Jul 2012 8:47 AM
From: Australia
Answer the question, Popeye
The reality is, any country could take Haiti, but no one wants it, not even Haitians. That's why they're leaving in droves.

Written by: stillhere, 2 Jul 2012 9:04 AM
From: Dominican Republic
"All I am saying Is let them invade , they already know they wouldn't dare"

As if the Dominican Republic would want to invade... We have enough trouble cleaning up our own mess let alone the mess needed to be fixed there... Way to many more problems that even more money can't fix.. Plus all the aid (free money) is doing some good, now if they could pass on some education to our deluded Haitian posters it may go a long way to see the world is tired of trying to continually help fix this mess...

cibaeño75
"before the earthquake due to badasses armed with AKs, something that he seems oddly proud about."
Oddly proud of the whole mess... It's all very odd what they seem to be proud of, their hate of anyone not Haitian, Cuban, Panamanian or Venezuelan.. I know there are a couple of Cuban's on here, are there any Panamanian or Venezuelan???
Well.... it very simple for SPiNACH, as he wont be addressed by us he can go and talk sh&*&t on their websites..

Written by: stillhere, 2 Jul 2012 9:12 AM
From: Dominican Republic
"I don't care what you think"

There we go... one more reason for you to p%^s off..
You don't care then why reply, ??
You don't care then why stay on here and not listen to facts and logic?..
You don't care then whats with the anger shown to those that you disagree with?
You don't care to be addressed by anyone not Haitian, Cuban, Panamanian or Venezuelan, well? go and don't care somewhere else!!!!
Written by: RoyStone, 2 Jul 2012 12:15 PM
From: Australia
"go and don't care somewhere else!"

My nomination for the Dready Hall of Quotable Quotes.
Written by: dreadlocks, 2 Jul 2012 5:38 PM
From: United States
SPINACH is just a guy who does too much hallucinogenic substances. he really believes that the tourism potential of Haiti is spectacular, and that it will be Monte Carlo by year's end. dream on, numbskull. for a country to be a tourist destination, people have to want to go there. nobody wants to go to a country where diseases like malaria, and cholera, still constitute a big problem. not to mention AIDS. nobody wants to go to a country where, if they cut themselves shaving, there is no band aid available, let alone antibiotics. hell, Royal Caribbean is so scared of the place, they import their fruits and vegetables from Miami. they are afraid that the local produce might get washed in water in which people take a dump. the first time 20 guys come down with gastroenteritis you can forget the idea of tourism in that hellhole you call a country.
Written by: KISKEYAMAMA, 3 Jul 2012 4:59 PM
From: Haiti
Stop isultin' my babie SPINACH
DREADLOCK an' ROYROCK YOU TWO BETTA MOVE BACK FROM MY BABIE SPINACH
stop been so meaning to him you two are anus holes
I proud ayitian woman an' i tell like it is
nobody wanting to invest in ayiti
nobody wanting to be friend to ayiti
nobody wanting to invade ayiti
we have nothin' in ayiti
so what?
a least we having each other and that very important.
Written by: stillhere, 3 Jul 2012 5:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic

Humility ... It goes a long why in the eyes of all.. helps motivate to help those in need and humbles the most savage of hearts.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 3 Jul 2012 5:47 PM
From: Haiti
OOH PLEASE, close your mouth, all you say here about Haiti don't have sense. DR, JAMAICA, these places are very violent. Your journalist don't say all. ALL COUNTRY CAN TAKE HAITI? TRY GUY OF DR, you will see how you will live in the see, And we come back take your land. Bunch of idiot and maricon. DEAD HEAD LOCK, THE IDIOT OF JAMAICAN, you should have kill yourself. You are the shame of your little mess.
still there
BEFORE GIVE LESSON, you should practice yourself your advise.
You are here to do division, Why you don't come back to play with your friend the kangooroos?
Humility, I think you don't know what mean this word.
The ennemies of HAITI, a lot of idiot are HERE. You can think what you want ALL HAITIANS Don't care. Soon The products of DR ARE BOYCOTT HERE. The good life will finish. You will paid your arrogant little people.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 3 Jul 2012 5:58 PM
From: Haiti
DEAD LOCK
"SPINACH is just a guy who does too much hallucinogenic substances"
it is surprising to hear that from a jamaican. You(jamaican) spend your days to sting yourself, you smoke your sh*t. and often you kill all the people around you, the jamaica well placed in the violence, well ahead HAITI. you have a lot of persons who are so poor. you have malaria sick, and other.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 3 Jul 2012 6:00 PM
From: Haiti
2) DEAD AND THE OTHER P*GS
If tourists can come in your f*ck*ng sh*t, why tourists would not come in HAITI?
what you say all are listed in DR, DR have many A*DS, and more violence than HAITI, DR ALSO HAVE cholera , and people come.
So shut your big mouth, little ignorant.
Written by: stillhere, 3 Jul 2012 6:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Aaaaaaaand... here we go again... hahahahhahahhahahaha
Written by: dreadlocks, 3 Jul 2012 6:40 PM
From: United States
kiskeyaman, giving his presidential campaign speech, running for the Presidency of the shi-*thole of the caribbean.sorry, kiskeyaman...as much as you would like to downgrade Jamaica, it is better, in every respect, than at least one country. guess which one?
Written by: dreadlocks, 3 Jul 2012 7:04 PM
From: United States
KISKEYAMAN, at the international level,what has Haiti ever achieved? ever won anything, besides sympathy?
Written by: KISKEYAMAMA, 3 Jul 2012 9:08 PM
From: Haiti
New Homes From The Dominican Republic To Haiti 3/2012

youtube.com/watch?v=ip119vZwCfI
Written by: dreadlocks, 4 Jul 2012 9:59 AM
From: United States
KISKEYAMAN, i was looking at your impressive record on the international scene. i see where you won a minor medal in the olympics in somewhere around 1928. nothing since. that is almost a century. great going.
Written by: stillhere, 4 Jul 2012 7:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"You think people are investing because they are stoopid like you it's because they see something m0r0n "

Yes they see big fat tax brakes, low labor costs and a country they can exploit...

"Australia is just a country though richer and bigger and way older than Haiti."

Why older than Haiti??? You mean geographically ? Historically?

Bigger... wow grade 4 geography... good for you...

On January 1, 1804, Haiti proclaimed its independence.

The formation of the Federal Council of Australasia in 1885

Christopher Columbus made during his first voyage to the New World in 1492.

The first uncontested landing in Australia by Europeans was by Dutch navigator Willem Janszoon in 1606.

One out of three is above par for him I guess....
Written by: dreadlocks, 4 Jul 2012 8:11 PM
From: United States
Since you're talking About medals
I am not surprised that you are ignorant in Athletes we guarantee to beat you , you were only lucky , I don't see any Jamaican athletes when Usain bolt is out that will be as successful

you have never beaten us, in any sport. guarantee to beat us? really? in what? cholera? AIDS? malaria? poverty? illiteracy? lack of water? lack of infrastructure? infant mortality? homelessness? hopelessness? unemployment? number of people living on less than 2 USD per day? yes, you will beat us in those categories.
Written by: dreadlocks, 4 Jul 2012 8:15 PM
From: United States
says Spinach

By the way you said 1928 , just to show you you that you have no clue , Haiti beat Italy in the world cup in 1974 that made headlines

then you went on to lose 7-0 to Poland...big deal.
Written by: dreadlocks, 5 Jul 2012 9:22 AM
From: United States
says SPINACH

Thing is, we'd heard a few horror stories from our stops in other Caribbean islands (where they don't have locks on doors) that Jamaica is a scary place.

what about the ones in Haiti,where they do not have doors? peole just live in mud huts, and beneath trees, eating mud cookies. great progress.
Written by: dreadlocks, 5 Jul 2012 9:27 AM
From: United States
says SPINACH

Written by: SPiNACH, 5 Jul 2012 2:22 AM
From: Canada
@dreadlocks

A little taste , of what's coming to ya

Do not keep your money or valuables in the hotel safe. My fiancee and I had our money slowly taken out from the safe night by night by housekeeping at Secrets St. Jame

your fiancee? you mean the 70 year old woman from Montreal that supports your lazy ass? your money was not stolen, because you have no money. you are just one more useless HAITIAN parasite, living off other people´s charity. as to tourism...at least we have an industry. nobody in his right mind would go to Haiti. who wants cholera, malaria, and all the other joys of that backward, primitive, stone age society? without the adult supervision of the international community, you would all have eaten each other by now.
Written by: dreadlocks, 5 Jul 2012 9:33 AM
From: United States
hey, SPINACH, aren´t you ashamed that there has to be an international peacekeeping force in your country, just to keep it from total disintegration? you have to be supervised in your daily life. grown men do not need other people to supervise them. Haitians have not evolved to the level that they are adult enough to handle their own affairs. maybe Darwin has a point...man evolved from apes. Haitians just haven gotten too far along the evolutionary road. they need handlers, and trainers, just to teach them how to use a flush toilet.
Written by: dreadlocks, 5 Jul 2012 10:04 AM
From: United States
SPINACH and KISKEYAMAN, I understand your issues. very well. when you come from a primitive country like Haiti, with no past, no present, and no future, you end up being angry. you look for people to lash out at. you become insecure, and try to find faults in others, to make yourself feel better. problem is, Haiti is so much worse than everywhere else, that your strategy just makes you more miserable, and objectionable. you do not see rational people posting negative things, in expletive laden prose, every day. you boys need help. you need adjustments, and interventions. Jamaica is the target of your anger, but it has nothing to do with your condition. it is not our fault that you are the sh*thole of the caribbean. we tried to help you, when you had the earthquake, but you are lowlife, and have no home training, so you cannot show gratitude. 100 years from now, you will be the same as you are today. you have made no progress since 1804, and never will.
Written by: dreadlocks, 5 Jul 2012 10:13 AM
From: United States
from an essay by Bob Corbett, about Haiti

One of the results of this oppression of language is a national illiteracy rate which is very close to 90% in the cities, and higher in rural areas. It is hard to calculate the suffering tied to illiteracy and the ignorance of alternatives which comes with illiteracy and lack of education. When a whole people cannot read, they are cut off from advances in knowledge.

maybe that is why SPINACH and KISKEYAMAN are so angry.
Written by: dreadlocks, 5 Jul 2012 6:45 PM
From: United States
ladies and gents, do you think this pitiful creature should be confined to a rubber room?
Written by: stillhere, 5 Jul 2012 6:58 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"A bana land that will be no more soon"

AAhhh So you admit it's a banana land.. well it's a start for you to say that...

"Just
A
Taste

You
Bigtoednigggggg"

Just a taste of what? you haven't said anything, just insults and calling others a tag not used in civil society, over inflated hypothetical numbers from the top of your head made to try and insult anyone not from Haiti... Even though we all know the numbers and have all said that our respective countries have problem and are not perfect... Something you have only now admitted too....
But then again your not reading any of this because you will only be addressed by "Haitians, Cuban, Panamanian or Venezuelan" and you "don't care what we say",

So again..... Go .. and don't care somewhere else.....
Written by: dreadlocks, 6 Jul 2012 11:10 AM
From: United States
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Written by: dreadlocks, 6 Jul 2012 11:10 AM
From: United States
SPINACH, you need to get some education, and i can help you. instead of making a rampaging jackass of yourself with nonsensical postings, go read an article entitled SIGNS OF THE TIMES IN HAITI, by NIA IMARA. you will get an indication of the direction in which Haiti is headed, and it is not good. instead of trying to make stupid remarks about other countries, you should be fighting against the fact that your own country is being sold off, piece by piece, to foreigners. your state owned telephone company has been sold off to a subsidiary of the Vietnamese army, Viettel. Heineken is about to acquire 95% ownership of one of your biggest breweries. the new industrial parks planned for the future will pay slave wages, because the US government is in bed with the garment manufacturers to oppose a minimum wage increase. the army is being reformed, in order to re-instal a Duvalier style form of dictatorship, starting with the Pink Militia. it looks bad, bro.
Written by: stillhere, 6 Jul 2012 4:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"Since arriving in 2004, the UN Stabilization Mission in Haiti (Minustah) has helped to train the 10,000-strong PNH, but it has also been dogged by controversy, which explains its reluctance to break up the rogue army using the force which its Chapter Seven mandate allows."

So how does it feel to know someone else is providing law, order and protection for the Haitian people and not your own government or police???
I'm sure that don't want a thank you card but any sign of humility and understanding would go a long way...

mmmm not a good read at all Dready...
Written by: stillhere, 6 Jul 2012 4:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic
As we have both know when SP says foreign investment we know it to mean foreign exploitation..
Written by: dreadlocks, 6 Jul 2012 8:22 PM
From: United States
hey, SPINACH, it is your country that is in the toilet, not mine. we might be bad, but yours is the worst, and getting worse. with idiots like you in it, it is easy to see why.
Written by: stillhere, 6 Jul 2012 10:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Keep cool; anger is not an argument.
Daniel Webster

It is impossible for you to be angry and laugh at the same time. Anger and laughter are mutually exclusive and you have the power to choose either.
Wayne Dyer

And man has this been a good laugh.... So thank you SPiNACH,...

Whatever is begun in anger ends in shame.
Benjamin Franklin

Written by: dreadlocks, 7 Jul 2012 8:57 AM
From: United States
says SPINACH

Jamaicans Don't Cook Fresh Food

that comes to you from the guy from the land of cholera, folks. at least Jamaicans are intelligent enough to know that you cannot defecate in water, then drink it. 100 years from now, such information will probably make its way to Haitians. they will need some adults to tell them,because nobody there has enough of a brain to figure that one out. it´s all about evolution, folks. they are still in the cro magnon state there.
Written by: ScandiViking, 7 Jul 2012 11:01 AM
From: Norway
I didnt know the Canadian mental hospitals let their lunatics have access to computers or did they run out of medication?
Written by: dreadlocks, 7 Jul 2012 11:44 AM
From: United States
Scandi, you hit the nail on the head. this guy is posting from a mental institution.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 7 Jul 2012 12:00 PM
From: Haiti
SKANDINADOMINICANA, DEAD LOCK
Hey men, if you think you are funny, you are not. What are you thinking about your little brain?

Don't come here to defend a idiot of JAMAICA. A guy who live in the past, Bob Marley is dead, and jamaica with him soon.
DEAD LOCK, I am so sad to see that the usa accept the champanzee like you in this country.
Written by: dreadlocks, 7 Jul 2012 12:10 PM
From: United States
DEAD LOCK, I am so sad to see that the usa accept the champanzee like you in this country.

one quality of the internet is that it has the propensity to attract intelligent people, who have good manners, and have evolved socially, to the point at which they do not constitute an irritant to society. they make constructive statements, offer intelligent solutions, and participate in civilized discussions of the subject matter at hand. on the obverse side, it also acts as a magnet for malcontents and misfits, barbaric exemplars of a past epoch, who have not evolved to a level at which they can interact with modern society. they offer nothing constructive, an are a pestilence upon the planet. tow exemplars can be found in KISKEYAMAN and SPINACH, two primitives who have nothing else to offer but idiocy, ignorance, and discomfort.. you can take them out of the jungle, but you cannot take the jungle out of them. where are the tonton macoutes, when we need them?
Written by: ScandiViking, 7 Jul 2012 12:11 PM
From: Norway
Sad story 2 lunatics on the loose obviously without medication. Should we call for a medivac?
Written by: dreadlocks, 7 Jul 2012 12:24 PM
From: United States
as long as they can be kept in a cage, i guess they will not constitute an imminent peril to society, and civilization. the problem is the possibility that they will escape, and mingle with modern society. ever since they entered the thread, it has gone dwon the drain. it was going fine, and human beings were trying to have an intelligent discussion. then, enter these two neanderthals, and the thread gets ruined, and cannot be saved. that is why you have to keep certain creatures apart from the rest of the world. they have nothing positive to contribute, and destroy everything in their paths.
Written by: dreadlocks, 7 Jul 2012 1:02 PM
From: United States
says SPINACH

?
That cre3p , your father .

At least we know that Scandi knows who his father is. i bet neither you, nor your mother, have the faintest idea of who could possibly be yours.
Written by: dreadlocks, 7 Jul 2012 1:16 PM
From: United States
says SPINACH

Must I remind you , it's not who gave birth to you , it is who you will become

well, in your case, you have become nothing more than a boor, a bore, and an uncivilized philistine. that casts doubt on who, or what, gave birth to you.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 7 Jul 2012 1:21 PM
From: Haiti
the live is verry hard everywhere. You speak about HAITI but you don't know the reality about your own country.
IN DR a lot of younger make prostitution to hope a real life. Several generation in Dominicans republic make prostitutions. Is very sad to see that. Even I don't like the idiot here, I hope a day a better life for this younger. It's time to finish with your hate about HAITI. YOU ALSO HAVE MANY PROBLEMS. JAMAICANS PEOPLE LIVE IN THE POVERTY TOO.
DR is the royaume of the prostitution!
youtube.com/watch?v=C2hr1BGfwys
Written by: dreadlocks, 7 Jul 2012 1:22 PM
From: United States
From multiple men o support her drrrrrr ug hab it

you mean like the woman in montreal who supports you? i bet you never worked a day in your life. i bet you spend your days hiding from immigration. anyway, that is enough for today. i can only spend so much time , each day, playing with domestic pets.
Written by: dreadlocks, 7 Jul 2012 7:46 PM
From: United States
SINACH, you have ghettoized the site. then again,that is the best you can do, so i cannot hold it against you. the natural instinct of a pig is to wallow in the mud.
Written by: ScandiViking, 8 Jul 2012 1:18 AM
From: Norway
Obviously the evolution made a u-turn on these 2 guys. I cannot imagine they are representative for the good Haitiens. Let Haiti prosper without such lunatics. I rest my case.
Written by: tomito, 18 Sep 2012 4:50 AM
From: United States
I know this thread is old, but how the heck did I miss all this, I must admit I laughed a lot. Dread, I see another medal for Jamaica in the near future, this time in a different category "Patience", how can someone reply for so long to these idiots who think Haiti will be better off than Switzerland next year, remains a mystery.
Written by: tomito, 18 Sep 2012 4:50 AM
From: United States
I know this thread is old, but how the heck did I miss all this, I must admit I laughed a lot. Dread, I see another medal for Jamaica in the near future, this time in a different category "Patience", how can someone reply for so long to these idiots who think Haiti will be better off than Switzerland next year, remains a mystery.
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