Lie-onel is Still in Charge!

Nop, leo is not still in charge, but you cant stop the development! E' pa' lante k vamos!

No I can't stop it but the looming financial crisis due to your gods borrowing like drunken sailors might!

According to the CIA world fact book, The DR imports nearly 120.000 barrels of oil PER DAY. (2010 figures).
Today's price per barrel is nearly $98.00USD.X 120.000 = 11.760.000 dollarsspent, per day! Price was $110.00 for much of 2010.
Price for a gallon of regular gasoline, as of 8/30/12, is RD$215.60 or $5.52USD.

The average gas consumption of a small sedan is 30 miles per gallon highway, 25 MPG, city.
Driving the distance our metro travels, from Villa Mella to Centro de los Heroes, is approximately
12.5 miles. Which means one person driving costs $2.76.

The metro fare is 20.00 pesos, or roughly $0.50 Cents USD. That's a difference of $2.26 more for the same ride in the "useless" metro.

Of the120.000 barrels of oil, say half is refined into regular gas... This means we in DR spend, more or less, $5.880.000USD per day, to power our little sedans. The rest is refined into Diesel, premium gas and other petrol derivatives.

Continued later.

That's "Continuar lo que esta bien"!!!

Stop whining, coge pa'lante y manos a la obra!

8-)

* Gracias Dios, tenemos a Leonel, a Danilo, y a Margarita *

Josean will be riding the train soon enough. Mass transit is a must in SD.

My advice finish that line then start looking at some boring but sustainable solutions. No city can rely on building only a metro system - where are the complementary bus routes.

@DomLon,

"complementary bus routes"

That's the topic of the "lineas alimentadoras" which Hubieres & Company want for themselves!

Stop whining, coge pa'lante y manos a la obra!

8-)

* Gracias Dios, tenemos a Leonel, a Danilo, y a Margarita *

"The metro fare is 20.00 pesos, or roughly $0.50 Cents USD. That's a difference of $2.26 more for the same ride in the "useless" metro."

The full cost of the fare is subsidized by the ALL of the country that have no access to it and never will...
What would the real cost of the fare be if it was not subsidized? Anyone?

"The full cost of the fare is subsidized by the ALL of the country that have no access to it and never will..."

stillhere,

And that is the hitting the Nail on the Head of the USELESS METRO and its Robin Hood supporters in REVERSE!

Steal from the rest of the country's priority needs to subsidize a few neighborhoods in the Capital!

What would it cost anywhere in the world? Ask NYC subway riders!

Stop whining, coge pa'lante y manos a la obra!

8-)

* Gracias Dios, tenemos a Leonel, a Danilo, y a Margarita *

It's not polite to answer a question with another question, especially for an Amish protégé!

"What would it cost anywhere in the world? Ask NYC subway riders!"

Again? Please.. when it's already been pointed out that the New York subway is NOT subsidized or payed for by the entire USA????

If this was such a needed thing and could be a profitable then why is it not done by
A. The city of Santo Domingo?
B. A private company?

Why is more money needed to complete this line? where has the money allocated gone?

Dont worry about how much we paid today for ridding the metro! Dr will shine in the future!

"Dont worry about how much we paid today for ridding the metro! Dr will shine in the future! "

and still be trying to pay it off and subsidizing it far into the future. But don't worry about what other things needed will go by the wayside because the WHOLE country is trying to pay for the Santo Domingo Subway..
Oh wait... just borrow some more money.. that will fix it... I'm sure your grand kids wont mind paying..

I'm sure the future grand kids in Santiago or La Romana wont mind to be still paying for a subway in Santo Domingo either....

I guess this story about Danilo pouring more money into the Abyss of the USELEES METOR confirms the following opinion:


"Danilo, forgive me but I cannot believe you, you have no credibility"

“Hamlet Hermann argues that with Danilo Medina there will be no change regarding the Government of Leonel Fernández”

"The PLD does not exist, with Leonel it has become a corporate group, a business issue," said the former guerrilla Hamlet Hermann”

"He classified President Danilo Medina as a "relief" pitcher, who is playing with the same players of Leonel Fernandez."

Read the rest at:

“Danilo, perdóname pero no te puedo creer, tú no tienes credibilidad”

"Hamlet Hermann sostuvo que con Danilo Medina no habrá ningún cambio respecto al gobierno de Leonel Fernández"

acento.com.do/index.php/news/20917/56/Danilo-perdoname-pero-no-te-puedo-creer-tu-no-tienes-credibilidad.html

Leonel fernandez: los agradecidos aprecian la luz, los ingratos la mancha!

Y los demas como tu Las Botellas!

I would say 75% of NYC subway is subsidized by the City,State,Feds under (capital projects).the other 25% is paid by the average 4 millions riding public daily 24/7 365 days a year, since it is always running.
As of now it has a surplus of US$600 millions from the operating funds.If the riding public was to
pay it all w/o subsidies they would have to pay US$12.00 per ride each way.So they may as well stay home.
The NYC Subways were built as any metropolis builds theirs, not for luxury, but for its needs to move mass people to and from work by the cheapest way.
There was a time that each line (not routes as in DR) had its own power plant Kent in B'lyn for the BMT 15 private routes, 59thst PP & 72nd stPP owned by the State to provide for Hospitas & subways sold to Con Ed when they were generating for the IRT lines and multiple routes at 25 cycles and finally in 1935 the IND fed by LI ltghting,PSE&G 60 cycles

Mr. Rancier,

I am not against building metros as part of well-planned and integrated mass transit system or even subsidizing them.

What I object to Vehemently is building and subsidizing them before building MINDS by subsidizing Free Public Universal EDUCATION first!

Josen:

They go together education and transportation to and from schools and work primarily. But you are right this was not well planned,building a subway route for the sake of having one ,sounds too Dominicanish. Competing with the Jones at any cost.
I wished DT had his story straight .They want to build the second ROUTE or stretch of the same line,not a 2nd LINE. NYC has 3 lines and multiple routes or stretches that are subsidies of all 3.

Back to you Mr Josean: seems that education is not the primary interest to the New Yorkers since they are independently budgeted and are autonomous from the rest given such a high budget from the City,State,Feds.yet the education is not the best in the country. That is not only in NYC but in NJ as well where 60% of the property tax goes directly towards education.Yet i would not trade a well educated 6th grader in DR 60 yrs ago for this GED in NYC today.

I am so glad that the second line will be completed and I hope it will then be lengthened to the original plan ...that is from Villa Altigracia all the way to the las Americas via Mega Centro ..then we should have east , west , south and north covered for a while . I then hope we can have a modern fleet of buses to replace the guagua fleet which I would outlaw ..and one route for the buses would be to the airport .

Ricardito:

Please come down to earth ,We are talking about DR not USA or NYC where the demand exists and it is a must.
First what you are talking about are not lines but ROUTES, STRETCHES, ARMS of the same #1.
WE have to create the need for its use and the only way is by forcing its citizen to leave their auto at home as it is done in NYC, because the gas is too expensive so are the bridges's tolls.

By what you are saying i gather you are either a lobbist for the LF party regardless the national economical outcome or represent some banks. I have not caught you yet giving an impartial opinion.Every thing you post are pro Capital GRANDIOUSNESS as if DR was made up of Sto Dgo.
People like you don't seem know the diference between Sto Dgo or DR or Ciudad Trujillo.
You are not an ignorant person so as to be that bias.
See, am for education to a point. I gave NYC as an example compared to DR 60 yrs ago.

Stillhere: Everything in the USA is subsidized, including entertainment (hasta el porno).

Josean: How and from where would you get the funds for education in RD? Plus, like you learned a couple of days ago, the Metro is promoting commerce along its path, which drop by drop will fill the coffers that will fund education in the long run...

Stop whining, coge pa'lante y manos a la obra!

8-)

* Gracias Dios, tenemos a Leonel, a Danilo, y a Margarita *

"Josean: How and from where would you get the funds for education in RD?"

From the CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED 4% of GDP, the same place Lie-onel stole the funds to build his METRO EGO!!

Ron, agree totally about the Metro.
Get rid of the useless military, vice-ministers and church and there will be plenty of money to complete the Metro and a surface passenger/freight line to Santiago too.

Thelmo ...I am glad to say you are totally wrong ...line number 2 only meets line 1 at one station ..it is notan arm ..it is a totally new line ...and maybe you should look at the demography of the capital where I estimate that more than 4 million people live with a very large percentage from around Herrera to Villa Altigracia and also in SD este,,,there is certainly the demand if the line expands ...the capital is bigger than Vienna and many euopean cities as well as bigger tha most USA cities /
If you also came here and saw the dailytraffic jams you may appreciate more the need for better public transport . No I am interested in one part of the capital mainly and that is where I live ...Zona Colonial and I have never been to New Jersey , mercifully

"From the CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED 4% of GDP, the same place Lie-onel stole the funds to build his METRO EGO!!"

So, you want the State to get the funds from papers? Go figure which global financial institution is going to finance/lend you the funds for "education"? No way Jose! They only want to see capital investments which require poor nations to spend, the just lended funds, with their member nations by adquiring their products/services.

Their logic goes, borrow money to make money to fund your real needs that require money!

Stop whining, coge pa'lante y manos a la obra!

8-)

* Gracias Dios, tenemos a Leonel, a Danilo, y a Margarita *

OK. I'm back home from NW, Washington, DC. to where I live in Gaithersburg. That's approximately 25 miles of travel. Good thing I left my car at home. There were several accidents on the Beltway.
I took the metro home. Travel time: about 45 mins. Had I driven, I'd still be stuck in traffic!

The one important fact that the resident morons on this site can not see, (because of terminal stupidity), is that the less petrol we buy, the better off we'll be. Money for gas, is money we'll never, ever see again! It is hard cash being flushed down the toilet. It is the biggest single import and the most expensive, by far!
A transport system that runs on electricity powered by something other than oil, will pay for itself in a matter of years. It will free us from the tyranny of the very volatile and unpredictable world crude prices.
I want to know how many of the Dominican pinhead parasites of this forum, will still insist on riding Conchos and crowded buses, after fares hit $1.00USD.

I have a question

Since the metro started running back in 2009, How much capital has produced? What has it done for its benefit?
Toronto is expanding the main line and a big amount of money for the works it's coming from the TTC ( Toronto transit commission), is coming from the subway operation. The rest from city taxes, parking, local bussines...

Don't forget to make the metro useful people have to start using it and leave their cars at home

Don't forget if the government did not ILLEGALLY neglect the other parts of the country, LIL' NY would not have been so crowded. A useless metro would not have been WANTED in the first place.

Share the apple! You stealing bastards!

"Stillhere: Everything in the USA is subsidized, including entertainment (hasta el porno)."

I'm sure you would like clarify the "Everything" statement.. and is this a road the DR really wants to go down? the number one subsidy in the USA is??? No surprise that the richest industries get the biggest subsidies, starting with finance and Big Energy. (entertainment... not listed)

As know one on the pro subway side has answered the question of , why a subway system is being built in a city with no CBD... I will assume you may just be as dumbfounded as I, or don't understand why other systems world wide were built around and central to a CBD????

But lets move forward....

The issue here is not whether you are for or against the subway (as both side have fair arguments with good pros and cons).
The issue is...
Why is more money needed to complete this line?
Where has the money allocated gone?
What parts have gone over budget and why?

New York DeWitt Clinton High School makes dishonor roll: Judged most heavily armed with 33 weapons seized, 252 ‘violent or disruptive’ events in 2011
— guns, knives and brass knuckles found. Other schools earning the dubious distinction include the Bronx’s Lehman. BRONX............ MAN U BETTER GET SOME EDUCATION REAL FAST IN THE DR. LIKE YESTERSDAY. THERE IS NO TOMORROW.
..
EDUCATION? OR THE LACK OF IT?
EVEN HERE IN THE US. THEY DONT WANT TO LEARN OR OBEY THE LAWS AND RULES.
CHOO CHOO
CHOO CHOO TRAIN.
ALL ABOARD.

dewitt clinton high school in the bronx is the most dangerous in new york.

choo choo train.
all aboard leos choo choo.

guess u guys and ladies that support the choo choo train, don't really give a damn about the young in the dr and their chances for a real life do u?

so millions will go on to a life of poverty, low paying jobs {if they can find any} making babies, the drug trade.
guess they will have no other choices in their lifes.
choo choo train.
all aboard for the fun ride of your life.

china and india produces 8 times more engineers each year from their schools then the unites states does at this time.

wonder where the dr stands in the engineers dept?

but the good news is that we have a choo choo train and we want to make more choo choo's to play with.
go to the blue malls on the choo choo train.
all aboard.

Tell me the METRO is a National Priority after reading this:


"Estudiantes de Polo podrían perder el año si no reparan su escuela"

"Andrés Alcántara, director del plantel denunció que ninguna autoridad del Ministerio de Educación se ha presentado a la zona a verificar la situación"

From Little Rickey's most hated newspaper Acento.com

The metro is there to stay and there gonna contunue funding it , no matter how much money they steal from the public . one thing for sure riding the metro beats riding next to a donkey in a montoconcho.

This site is totally polluted with morons and retards!
If you had a smidgen of understanding reality and a little math, you'd conclude that gas powered vehicles are not the way to go.
The DR spends, (at today's oil price per barrel of nearly $100.00USD), over 12.000.000 million dollars PER DAY, powering our industry, but mostly inefficient Jeepetas!

A transport system that does NOT burn oil for electricity, can save us a huge number of dollars!
Money that can very well be spent on education, health care and decent housing for most of our people.

If only one third of our petrol usage were to be eliminated, the savings would come to roughly, $4.000.000 dollars per day, which translates to $1.46.000.000 per year!
That's One BILLION, with a "B", 46 million dollars, each and every year!
Or would you rather give it to Chavez, bunch of freaking idiots!!

Education is the LOCOMOTIVE of society; everthing in society follows BEHIND that including the vulgar GENIUSES that can't understand the most simple FACTS of life!

RonEvans;
You are right providing the entire country that ia now moved by gasoline or diesel fuel is driven by
electric railing,still you need petro diesel for the generation as well as for the diesel lococomotives
Granted clean power would supplement some of the needs such as hydro,wind,solar electric either voltaic or directly from the sun. Drawback.. wind power when there is wind ,solar when there is sun,hydro providing there is not drought as it seems to be in DR.
If there are 1/2 of the DR motor vehicles at the capital then, force them to keep those gas guzzlers at home using the famous Metro. As it is done in NYC where the GW,as well as Lincoln Tunnel cost US$12 towards the city.
At the present is there any other alternative of travel in the Island?No,therefore why don't they just
have it done like Scotland and grill the entire country by overhead electric system. Now that labor
is cheap along with atomic PP ran by the FRENCH

RonE. you are right. Mass transit is the future.
You presented the numbers and the necessity for saving the country money, over the long term.

It would be extremely benefical if there were mass transit from the Capital to Santiago and Puerto Plata for cargo as well as passengers.
Because of the current financial restraints I know this is not a possibility.

I was born in New York city, know the city very well.
Without mass transit the city would grind to a halt.
Long Island traffic would be unbearable without the LIRR (Long Island Railroad).
Forget about driving from Brooklyn to the Bronx during rush hours.
Grand Central Station is also an important part of that system transporting passengers.
Mass transit wasn't easy to accomplish and it needed to be subsidized.
Every New Yorker appreciate the sacrifices made to have mass transit.
Years later look at the benefits.

As far as education, all parents need to play a bigger role in the education and discipline of the thei

cheyenneasanti;

This is a mirror of what I have been saying all along.
The point is that it should not be subsidized by the entire country ,the way RICARDITO seems to think,since it does not beneffits the rest of the country but his locatity,as stated above by him.
Therefore they (Distrito Nacional) Capital,should cough up the money to build such an expensive system, since they are the ones using it on the daily basis.They all think the inter-cities is something new in DR ,when the BELGIANS had build in 1890 the SANCHEZ-SANTIAGO-PUERTO PLATA R/R, for both Cargo & passengers,& tunnel in ALTAMIRA, PUERTO PLATA except "CHAPITA" dismantled it because he needed those bridges for his Rio Jaina & Catarey sugar cane Plantations and its railings for the weapon factory back in 1951.Where is the weapons factory today?

I like your last sentece on education. Unfortunately the DR parents now days think the teachers are suppose to do what they as parents failled to do early in life.

the dr is not new york and will never be a new york or even close.

rone. you are right. mass transit is the future
the choo choo is great but education is the real future for the dr.
the chineses where masters of the wind.
they invented paper and silk.
the dr cant even invent a can opener why? no education.
give the young a chnace at a real life in the real world.
the choo choo train can wait until this happens.
bananas for sale? please your on the wrong track.

even if the education comes its going to be a major problem with the teachers that now teach and the parents of the children.

teachers can do a lot for the kids but the parents can do even more.

Dominicans complain about the cost of the Metro saying most Dominicans don't live in the capital. Do you hear the British complain about the cost of the London underground? 22% of Dominicans live in Santo Domingo. Only 8% of British live in London. London also has an extensive system of motorways yet Santo Domingo has none. Most Brits give time and money to their country's infrastructure, law and order and education of their children, Most Dominicans give nothing. A failed state, living on borrowed money like selfish, self-centered, egotistical adolescents. Hence the exodus of the best Dominicans overseas.

Yes Roy, it is that self centered egotiscal thinking that gave us the non priority METRO at the expense of addressing the number 1 priority; our national crisis in EDUCATION.

It is that kind of egomania that supersedes rational development and creates the all the eggs in 1 basket of disproportional assignment of resources to pet projects in Santo Calcutta, at the expense of the rest of the country, where the overwhelming majority of the needs and the people reside!

RoyStone :

Althought you are correct on what you had just stated,there is no comparison between the Head
of an Empire that used all its Imperial resources to acomplish such a good task. Like Rome did as it was extending its empire and taxes levied on those it conquered to build up what was called ROMAN EMPIRE. No diferent from the British Emire Don't forget theLondon Underground is older than NYC underground got, build with semi-slave labor from its Colonies.no diferent from ROME,Besides you don't compare a super educated nation with an illiterate one such as ours.African decendent 80% and think as such.The Spaniards all they thought was themselves and are now paying for their stupidity
Also remeber when the British under ground was built London was over-populated then,now like
most of us in NYC have moved to the suburbs such as NJ.,CT,PA and worked in such Metropolis as am sure the Londoneers do, having such magnificient R/R network.

Roy:
what is the tax structure of the Bitts compare to DR ? I am sure along with the socialized medicine, so are the taxes to pay for it. Also so is such an expensive Monarchie to hold the commonwealth together Nothing comes cheap, or free in this world my friend.

Points taken, Thelmo,

However it is worth noting that Australia has never had slaves or an empire and was on the other side of the balance sheet during the British Empire as a colony and a dumping-ground for their convicts. Yet Melbourne with only 18% of the country's population has an underground, which was not started until 1971.

The only complaint is that it was not started sooner and is not extensive enough, although it does integrate seamlessly with the surface passenger-rail network, which in turn is integrated with the bus and tram-car networks.

Yes I know about the Dominican tax system, or should I say lack of system. In our village they don't pay income tax or municipal rates, almost nothing for electricity and get free rubbish collection, roads, hospital and clinics, contraception, schools uniforms and lunches, reticulated water and subsidized gas.

I know it is difficult to understand the role of the British Monarchy in this day and age, and I, like most Australians are all for a republic. However the Australian system of government has provided stable, corruption-free democracy for its entire history - something the Dominican system has never delivered. If the British Commonwealth is such a silly idea, why is the Dominican government always gate-crashing its meetings?

Roy :

I did not say the British Commonwealth was a bad idea or silly.On the contrary, Spain & France
should have both done so,to keep its Empire like Britain did instead of fighting off their colonies and think they were God on earth,specially Spain,at least France got rid of them with the Republic

Still think the METRO was infrastructure priority, when your fellow citizens are drinking contaminated water from rivers like ANIMALS?


“The Health Hundreds of people is at risk because of contaminated water from overflowing rivers”

“Collapse of aqueducts in Polo leaves without water thousands of inhabitants”

The collapse of three aqueducts in the municipality of Polo, Barahona, left without water thousands of inhabitants in communities in the south of the Dominican Republic.

I am sure the folks prefer their tax dollars be spent on a non-priority METRO which is USELESS to them, juxtaposed to their needs for adequate water system.

See the video:

“Cientos de personas en riesgo de salud por agua contaminada de ríos desbordados”

acento.com.do/index.php/news/20977/56/Cientos-de-personas-en-riesgo-de-salud-por-agua-contaminada-de-rios-desbordados.html

Josean,

Generally in life, you get what you pay for, yet most Dominicans get reticulated water and pay nothing for it - directly through water rates or indirectly through taxation. In Melbourne the reticulated water is clear, clean and drinkable, but we pay for every drop.

Thelmo,
Perhaps the fact that the Spanish and French colonies were also part of another opressive, parasitic global empire, the Catholic Church, had something to do with it?

Roy,

Butin Melbourne you have an EDUCATION system that prepares you for gainful employment so you can pay for basic services.

Here you get a METRO to transport illiterates from homes without electricity and running water to their below minimum wage jobs, if they are lucky to have, where there is also no electricity or water.

Roy:
That goes without saying about the Catholic Church, was the #1 to blame for the LA backwardness. It has so much land specially in So America that they don't know what to do with it all.That is why specially in Colombia and Bolivia the Indians want part of it and the reason the revolts against their respective gvts in the deep Jungle of Colombia,
If you ask any Colombian as I have here as well as there, they are told by their gvts that they are gerrilla fighters and discontent with themselves .They don't sit down and talk about it as any civilize community would. They don't tell their people the real reason why they are up in arms.
Those gvts have their people so brain washed that the most intelect there as an example will tell you that the dollar has devaluated and they keep repeating the same as parrots untill you make them do a little arithmetic.as to why it takes 1,800 pesos for every American dollar and fluctuates?

Josean ;
It all stems from the industrial revolution that had its start in UK and were so nice to share their
knowlege with their Colonies that now became industrialized themselve as part of the B/C/W and
are not Colonies any more but inherited their British system of education and placement for their kids in their industrial world which i think it is wonderfull.
We in the other hand thought like the Spaniards and French aided by our Catholic Church had nothing to show for. If the R/C/C had been on our side they could had helped educate our people since our gvt was doing shit. Nor only could they had educated us early in life but could have done it for free.Where as to attend a Catholic School now as it was then could have cost us an arm and a leg.Still at presently send their kids to Europe I see why Roy brings about the R/C/C often on his postings and I agree with him,since it took care of the well to do Colonials and the poor stayed poor up to the present.

To all the METRO-Maniacs:


Look at the video and see if these people think the METRO was a Priority or Flood Control?
Polo, Barahona

"Several families could only save their lives after the flood of four rivers in Polo"

“All their appliances, furniture, clothing, and a small grocery store were they made their living has been lost”

Read and See the rest at:

“Sólo la vida pudieron salvar varias familias tras la crecida de cuatro ríos en Polo”

acento.com.do/index.php/news/20945/56/Solo-la-vida-pudieron-salvar-varias-familias-tras-la-crecida-de-cuatro-rios-en-Polo.html