what budget was the money coming from??

Just as important where did they money go Lie-onel Fernandez?

Josean you have finally asked a solid question. Where are the funds to complete the tasks?

LF should state this BEFORE leaving office. And Medina will have to tackle this straight forward. To have such a huge infrastructure investment sit still will be a monumental mistake. I don't see how the incoming administration will NOT consider it urgent to complete this project. As to the continuation of the third line, well, there you have an interesting story. If funds are proving difficult for the finishing of the second line, how then to continue building?

Perhaps the third line will commence during Medina's turn in office and be finished in the next administration to come. And so on until the system is finally completed.

RD$1.6 billion.== No no this was to be a money make. Bless u ferandex, you Dork

I totally agree thatthe second line must be completed ASAP ..frommy observations I think that all the heavy work has been done ,,it is now stairs and escalators and probably lights and signals that need to be put in place ...the line should have started at Villa Altagracia and finished at SD este ..around near the AMET office ,,that was the original plan

notice all the hating-Haitians. JAJAJAJAJAJA

ATTENTION HAITIANS: You're obvious disdain for anything Dominicans only shows your degrading self loathing that is characteristics of all Haitians. You're only showing how low and scummy you are but notice that after years of insults it hasn't altered any Dominicans love for his country but reinforce what we already knew about you.

Bottom Line: You're wasting your time

Atabey there may be hope for you yet!

says Ricardolito

Written by: Ricardolito, 8 Aug 2012 10:15 AM
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
I totally agree thatthe second line must be completed ASAP ..frommy observations I think that all the heavy work has been done

the heavy work, yes. but does heavy mean costly? i have no expertise whatsoever inthis matter, but it would be interesting to determine which phase costs more...the digging, or the part with the sophisticated electronic and mechanical equipment.

DReadMon, the digging of course. How else could leo take cash before he leaves with his assistant Bautista

Maybe we can ask the good cardinal to lead us all into prayer an ask Jesus to tell Lionel to put the money back in the till!

Finishing the second line is a priority as it will make both lines more attractive to commuters thanks to the transfer point.

The devil made me double-post!

Let us pray.

Dear Lord, please allow this project to be completed as planned. If you can make this miracle happen, it will show me the way for reconsideration and reconciliation of you as our all-powerful mighty God and prove to the world that all Dominicans aren't that stupid....It will also cure me of atheism.
I ask this in the name of the father, the son, and the holly spirit. Amen.

Subsidies:

1.6 billion pesos = US 42,105,263.16 or say 42 million dollars to run annually. A second line will say increase that to some 84 or so million dollars per year. Assuming similar costs and the continuation of the ~50 US cent ridership charge currently in place.

Don't worry, normal delays when budgets run over... just like the 2nd Avenue subway and the No.7 extension, delayed and had to be shortened...

It'll be completed and then extended to San Luis, then the other lines (#3, #4, y #5)... NYC started with one line...

Great future for the Dominican Republic.

Si o no?

8-)

* Gracias Dios, tenemos a Leonel, a Danilo, y a Margarita *
DANILO MEDINA, Presidente Electo, PLD, Rep. Dominicana

says Atabey

1.6 billion pesos = US 42,105,263.16 or say 42 million dollars to run annually. A second line will say increase that to some 84 or so million dollars per year. Assuming similar costs and the continuation of the ~50 US cent ridership charge currently in place.

actually, the subsidy is the excess amount needed to keep this thing running, after fare box receipts have been exhausted. besides, your linear arithmetic assumes that the operating costs, minus farebox, will be similar for both lines. not necessarily so. there are numerous other variables that have to be considered.

Of course they ran out of money! They stole it all!
This is nothing but a cash cow for the PLD and their cronies!
Lie-onel just keeps cutting ribbons in a trail of debt that will turn the DR into the Greece of the Caribbean!

Just as important where did they money go Lie-onel Fernandez? (End of quote).


This is what we have been trying to expose for the past eight years. Lack of accountability and rampage embezzlements.
1. Who planned and approved this budget?.
2. Who projected and established the milestones for this project
3. Why the potential for lack of funding, was not identified during one of the monthly/quarterly projects updates?.
4. Who was the project manager in charge of tracking and insuring that all of the suspense were met, and the funding was adequate (based on the original approved budget).


This is just ridiculous.

i see that someone has changed his name.

These METROS are Financial Albatrosses even for First World Economies most if not ALL are Subsidized and Most if not ALL operate at a Loss.

Lie-onel Fernandez has proven what a NUT he is, thinking this was a financial sustainable Public Service in a third world economy; for God’s Sake (sorry Roy)we can’t even produce 24hrs of reliable electrical service or a full day of Schooling compatible with minimal world standards for our children.

This was case classical case of putting the Cart before the Horse. Yes, I know METROS are good in some environments, nothing against METROS per se, but this was not the right financial environment or historic moment for the republic. Ships are also good in the right environment, but in a desert they are USELESS!

We had and have more fundamental and basic priorities than a METRO; and there are other more cost effective methods that could have and can be found to alleviate the traffic congestion of the capital.

continued:

As I have always said Lie-onel's METRO is a "Faro a Colon" on Wheels!

i seldom disagree with Josean, because the guy is a sound thinker. i will disagree this once, which will not necessarliy mean that i am right. Leonel never thought that the Metro would operate in the black. not for a moment. it was his political symbol of being a great developer. it had to be built to political deadlines, and tested with him at the front of things. he is an egomaniac, who took the country for a ride. or, the people who live within the catchment area of the metro. just wait until this thing needs serious maintenance, and you will see some real fun. i remember the section of the Number 2 IRT train in the Bronx above Gun Hill Road took years to repair, with the best technicians and equipment available to the crews. if there is an earthquake, and the lines and tracks distort, you can kiss it goodbye. at least he and his satellites pocketed a fortune , so it was not all a waste. at least, not to him.

Dr. Dread No disagreement from me my brother, I was just taking a little poetic license.

I also believe that the decision was more politically Machiavellian than anything remotely tied to a cost benefit analysis.

Dr dreadlocks:
Josean;

Do you remeber at the start of the project us 3 thought it was needed but not a priority?,so these

are the results of jumping into something W/O good planning.

Yes Dread i remember the Interborogh Rapid Transit #2 line above Gun Hill Rd . It wasn't fixed

because it was not a priority, not because of lock of fundings since allocation went to the section

the City mayor Kotch's council felt was needed, which was lower Manhattan and East Side where

the upper Middle class needed for commuting to Wall St

The ridership mostly Hispanic diddn't demand priority from a political stand point They weren't

propperly represented by then Bronx President Badillo due to his PR ancentry,married to a Jew

where he got the name JewRican.

Down Town knew he was a good bullshiter and was going to do shit for the BX, Appointed by

Kotch Once he got bounce they were able to fix it.

"Dr dreadlocks:
Josean;

Do you remeber at the start of the project us 3 thought it was needed but not a priority?"


In deed I do Mr. Rancier and I have the Chucho (whip) marks on my back to prove it!

"We had and have more fundamental and basic priorities than a METRO; and there are other more cost effective methods that could have and can be found to alleviate the traffic congestion of the capital""


Is that so, pinhead? I demand you tell me what, "other, more cost-effective methods to alleviate traffic congestion in the capital"....are. Go ahead, enlighten me!

I'm still waiting....

Trams.?

" I demand you tell me what, "other, more cost-effective methods to alleviate traffic congestion in the capital"....are. Go ahead, enlighten me!"


Johnny Cum lately read some of my 17,000 plus post and you will find out, Penis Head, in the meantime go let Lie-onel toss your salad!

PS

U could not be"enlighten" if "Little Boy" and "Fat Man" where set off under your ASS!

Josean stated that practically all Metro systems in the world operate to some degree in the red. And he's absolutely correct. But most of these systems are still a good and practical infrastructure development because they move enormous numbers of people on a yearly basis and provide transit minus the huge potential increase in gas consumption to say little about the diminution of pollution output that tens of thousands of cars would produce as alternative means of transit on a daily basis.

Santo Domingo's huge and growing population requires a mass transit system and fast. In ten years time there might be another million or so people living in SD and the need will overwhelm the traditional mode of transit. Least we want to look like some Indian cities where it takes hours to get from one part of the city to another, we must see this Metro in that light.

New York City could never function without a Metro system. Car traffic would overwhelm the city without it.

and similarly many other world cities would crawl to stasis without good mass transit options for its people. It's true that we have MANY needs, especially in primary and secondary education, housing, etc., but moving people efficiently and on a mass scale is also a necessary condition in order to advance forward. Like it or not, we passed the Rubicon many decades ago when SD became such a magnet to the rural poor seeking a chance out of low productive lives.

Instead of managing the flows better by providing better opportunities in rural areas, our government and those of many Latin States created great urban centers of attraction. Just look at Mexico City, Buenos Aires, and on and on.

If DR had the means, they should seek to move the government of the Republic to another area of the nation.

If the economic advancement takes hold & we manage to uplift many Dominicans in the coming decades, then the fare will be increased to help close the subsidy gap.

That’s too many ifs!

Since Danilo is so Brazilian inspired he should give them a sweetheart no-bid contract to build a New CAPITAL like they did for themselves in 1956 when the built Brasilia:

“The city was planned and developed in 1956 with Lúcio Costa as the principal urban planner and Oscar Niemeyer as the principal architect. On April 22 of 1960, it formally became Brazil's national capital.”

“Lúcio Costa won a contest and was the main urban planner in 1957, with 5550 people competing. Oscar Niemeyer, a close friend, was the chief architect of most public buildings and Roberto Burle Marx was the landscape designer. Brasília was built in 41 months, from 1956 to April 21, 1960, when it was officially inaugurated.”

wikipedia.org/wiki/Bras%c3%adlia


So there you go Atabey, Danilo has an extra 7 months!

PS


This would certainly out do Lie-onel's USELESS METRO, aka, “El Faro a Colon” on Wheels!

Thank you sir/madam. ...Yes, I am VERY DOMINICAN, and won't take crap from those that make it their sole mission in life to dismantle every good thing borned out of our hard work and ingenuity!

SonOfHaiti,

josean is male, but thank you for the concern.

That individual is representative of the missing link Neanderthal types we have in my country, as I am sure you have in Haiti as well. Largely responsible for the reason our two republics can't move out of our chronic underdevelopment!

Don’t pay too much attention, his significance is equal to that of Gnat on a summer night!


My apologies to Neanderthals and Gnats everywhere!

Written by: josean, 9 Aug 2012 3:15 AM

From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia



SonOfHaiti,

josean is male, but thank you for the concern.





REALLY?

All this time, and I didn't know I was talking to a male. From now on I'll be harder on you princess.

Another one of the missing links arrives!

Team,

We are way OFFFFFFFF course; this is how intelligent topics degenerate into personal BS/vendettas.

The topic is: Que le paso a los curtasos del METRO!!!!!.

says Atabey

But most of these systems are still a good and practical infrastructure development because they move enormous numbers of people on a yearly basis and provide transit minus the huge potential increase in gas consumption to say little about the diminution of pollution output that tens of thousands of cars would produce as alternative means of transit on a daily basis.

show me a study that shows a diminution of carbon particulates since the introduction of the Metro. secondly, i want to see a study that shows the fuel consumption needed to generate the electricity for operating the system. thirdly, i want to see a study that shows travel times in cars has been reduced. i do not want theory, and comparisons to other cities, which have different cultural dynamics. i want numbers.

"But most of these systems are still a good and practical infrastructure development because they move enormous numbers of people"

Exactly right, Atabey! The Metro is, or can be powered by electricity generated sans carbon fuel. ..once oil becomes prohibitely expensive, hydro, turbine and/or solar are what we'll have to depend on for transport and other needs. The total morons on this site, think we can forever depend on other countries for our energy needs! That's crazy and shortsighted!
NOT buying petro, will save our economy billions and make us inmune to wild, world gas and oil, price fluctuations . The eventual energy independence and economic stability will make for a wonderful place to live and prosper in, indeed!

BTW, a newly-built, 80-megawatt hydro plant in San Juan province, will be coming on line next saturday, according to Diario Libre.

RonEvane:

I thought this hydro-electric power generators at San Juan Province was an added on generators

of 49 MW combined ,since the high Dam existed already .It was to produce 98 MW total inclusive

the 2 additional generators of 49 MW and the newly added turbines. Is this at HIGUEY? DT 8/2

The way it is written does not add up Capacity 98 MW but only generates between the two 49 MW,

I wish DT was more splicit . Higuey instead of Jiguey and 49MW instead of 98 MW What is it?

This energy is to go into the national grid, not solely for the Metro,which is going to utilize that

much power to keep it going. Would be nice if that was to be assigned to the Metro exclusively.

About this article.....

85 million passengers (so far) x RD$20 = $RD 1.7 billion. Then...where does the figure RD$1.6 billion comes from?

From Diario Libre...
"Nevertheless, in the more than three years that the Metro I line has been functioning, the government has provided subsidies of RD$1.6 billion for the passengers. This hypothesis stems from the fact that the authorities subsidize each passenger with US$0.50 when he or she gets on the subway (about RD$19.00)."

Putting things in perspective...

Bono Gas para Choferes
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RD$53,642,700 mensuales
RD$643,712,400 (al año) x 3 años = 1.9 billion