Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 11:09 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
I can help it, I God Dam Told You So!
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 11:12 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Come Ron Evane let use hear your obnoxious insulting juvenile defense of this Financial Albatross.
The Faro a Colon on Wheels!
Written by: JHCL2016, 20 Sep 2012 11:13 AM
From: United States, EN PUNTA CANA: Jose H Con Leonel 2016!
Just the same "quejas" to get more and to stop Danilo from reducing his budget.... You should know their tactics by now!
Danilo es Presidente, Leonel lo sera!!!
8-)
JHCL2016
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 11:13 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Dr. Dread we have been vindicated!
Written by: BLANCO, 20 Sep 2012 11:17 AM
From: Dominican Republic
...difficulties in maintaining...
IS THERE A SURPRISE HERE????
Written by: BASTA, 20 Sep 2012 11:23 AM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all
^^^^^^^^ 10**********s
From: United States, New York City
Some of the more erudite posters warned that this would be coming down the pipe, much to the chagrin of many of you. This is what happens when priorities are out of whack with reality. Public funds that could have been allocated in repairing the electrical grid or improving education were instead funnelled into this monetary black hole.
Written by: Spimx, 20 Sep 2012 11:33 AM
From: Canada
You don't say.... How can this happen if this was a well planned project, with preventions againts this kind of situations.
From: United States
there is an old saying in the British caribbean. it says "never send a monkey to ring a church bell". even if the Metro had been a good idea, it was doomed from the start, because it was presided over by an egomaniacal country bumpkin, whose management of the situation did not give it any hope of survival. Bombardier warned him that these things need extensive study, and preparation. they told him that they needed to do some serious studies, which needed years to complete. their reputation was on the line. they could not finish it in time for him to use it as a political stunt. if they did, it would be one problem after . Leonel could not wait, so he told them to take a walk, and went to Alstom, a company which probably has less rigorous standards. that is the reason that the guy in charge could not show the studies, because they were never done. any sane guy who goes into business does preparatory studies. when you are about to spend a billion dollars, you should, too.
Written by: RonEvane 
, 20 Sep 2012 12:08 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
"Among the deficiencies Carrasco cited leaks in several stations and problems with the air conditioning system in some of the cars."
These are hardly reasons to panic and proclaim "operations of the metro are about to collapse".
Water leaks are typical of every subterranean tunnel. Mines are plague with this problem when water seeps right through rock and soil, especially when there're a heavy rains. Solution?.sump pumps. As any other infrastructural undertaking __sea and airports, highways, bridges, buildings, etc-- it must be constantly maintained or it deteriorates.... Same with our bodies, If not properly fed, exercised, and mentally stimulated, it will die.
I wouldn't panic about the lack of air conditioning "in some cars".
Josean, You're surely filled with joy to spit out the "I told you so" BS that you're typical of vomiting.
Well, pinhead, Bad news for you. The 1st line won't "collapse", and the second line will be completed. Sorry to ruin your day!..er, no I'm not!
From: United States
i hate to say this, but i have unwelcome visions of this project going completely belly up, in a few years. they are having problems getting phase 2 finished, because of cash flow problems, which will only worsen with the IMF ACCORDS. structural adjustment usually demands the cutting back on subsidies, and the Metro cannot function without them. if all 6 phases are not completed, it will have been pointless. if the PRD should ever get into power before completion, they are going to divert the monies to their constituencies. remember i have said this before: when these things start to malfunction, you have called down the dogs from hell. a train is not a passola. when things go wrong, they go very wrong.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Se jodio la cosa, caballero!
MJEV.
From: United States
please, please, Mr Rancier. we need your comments...pretty please!
Written by: BASTA, 20 Sep 2012 12:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all
dreadlocks,= 5*****s
Written by: RonEvane , 20 Sep 2012 12:28 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
The Washington area Metro, has had many a problem with their cars,( incidentally, they're also built by Alstom). Several stations in downtown have been plague for years with leaks and crumbling ceilings. The escalators, in particular, have been a constant major source of expense and headaches. To date, these escalators have not been permanently fixed in spite of switching to other manufacturers.
The general consensus is that the lines are too deep underground and put an excessive load on them, especially during rush hour. The fares have been periodically raised just to pay for this engineering faux pas...Perhaps we should blame the Mayor of the city and President of the US, when this Metro was planned and built, eh?
From: United States
thank you BASTA. i hope people do not think that i am gloating. there are hundreds of thousands of children, OUR FUTURE, who could have been getting an opportunity for an education if this guy had not decided to make this monument to himself. that is not something to celebrate about.
From: United States
the "monkey" ringing the bells thing is true...
and the point to 'Leaking water" and "some cars have no a.c" is no big deal and goes hand in hand with the monkey thing...(although its soon for that, but im no engineer)
however if you go to the n.y. subway i think you will freak by the water leaking in various tunnes and the end where they do the car switch. I saw some tunnels in toronto as well but not as bad as n.y.c.
all in all could be exaggeration of the problems in order to dip their greedy hands into the relief fund
From: United States
Ron, that is exactly why studies are undertaken. the first order of business is to check the performance record of all the companies that you have on the list of possible builders. Alstom has a spotty record. it is not hard to find out. if you have a billion to spend, information is small potatoes. so, when you look at the abortion that is the DC metro, you tell yourself that you would rather have someone else build it. that is why most taxi drivers in the DR use Toyotas, and not Skodas. one is bulletproof, the other breaks whenever it feels like.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
Party time gason.
From: United States
junglemonkey, i agree with you, 100%, about leaks in the NYC subway. but, guess what? they have zillions of well trained, competent engineers to deal with those problems, not to mention a big budget. when our trains leak, they get some Haitians with a bucket of cement to patch leaks. in 10 years, it will need the kind of overhaul which will necessitate another billion to undertake.
Written by: juanb, 20 Sep 2012 12:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The beginning of the discovery of the true legacy of King Leonel.
From: Puerto Rico
After elections, the real problems start to get discoursed...
Written by: RonEvane , 20 Sep 2012 1:03 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
the pessimists in this forum are having a field day. Must be gloating and reveling in their "predictions" coming true!
Well' I'm a die-hard optimist, We all go trough problems and disappointments in life. I happen to think that they are "necessary losses". We learn from them and makes us stronger beings.
Those that see only gloom and doom, never emerge from their rut and never learn to be better humans. I'm so glad I'm not you!!
I'm free to think good thoughts, you're enslaved by your own mental prison! Tragic.!
Written by: Spimx, 20 Sep 2012 1:16 PM
From: Canada
Now let's go waste some more money into this!!!
From: Dominican Republic
I have a positive spin for this... when all is said and done and the government can no longer pay to keep it running, could I get a lease on the tunnels to grow mushrooms? it would at the very least make money....
Oh.. and can I buy the train cars.. they make great country cabins
Written by: BASTA, 20 Sep 2012 1:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all
We learn from them and makes us stronger beings.== Dominicans always know better! Like,Duh let's close all the gas and gasoline stations 4 days a week to save on imported oil products and build a Metro without any studies!
The beginning of the discovery of the true legacy of King Leonel. == No you must mean Queenie Fernandie.
Written by: RonEvane , 20 Sep 2012 1:30 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Well, it's time to go to work. I'll be taking a bus, then the "useless" Metro to get there. It'll save me time money and the headaches of having to deal with traffic. ..On the way back, I'll stop off at my favorite pub and quaff a few while chatting with the regulars.
I'm happy not to risk driving while intoxicated, which I plan to do. ...hic.
From: United States
Everything needs maintanance! The metro too!
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 1:48 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Written by: RonEvane, 20 Sep 2012 1:03 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
the pessimists in this forum are having a field day. Must be gloating and reveling in their "predictions" coming true!
Well' I'm a die-hard optimist, We all go trough problems and disappointments in life. I happen to think that they are "necessary losses". We learn from them and makes us stronger beings.
Those that see only gloom and doom, never emerge from their rut and never learn to be better humans. I'm so glad I'm not you!!
I'm free to think good thoughts, you're enslaved by your own mental prison! Tragic.!
The above equals "Psychobabble Mumbo Jumbo" made to distort or defocus from the real issue.
That this was an ill-conceived idea, poorly planned, poorly executed and with poor financial support.
Some people just have trouble admitting when they are wrong, that’s a sign of not having reached maturity/adulthood i.e. being a Man or Woman!
From: Dominican Republic
I wonder if the current situation can be mitigated by raising the fares by just RD$5?
From: United States
This is political BS. Mr. Carrasco is just complaning because his budget will be cut.
If Danilo has to cut costs he should start with the damn salaries of these oficials.
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 2:04 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Written by: dreadlocks, 20 Sep 2012 12:29 PM
From: United States
thank you BASTA. i hope people do not think that i am gloating. there are hundreds of thousands of children, OUR FUTURE, who could have been getting an opportunity for an education if this guy had not decided to make this monument to himself. that is not something to celebrate about.
Dr. Dread
The issue about gloating is the projection from the psychobabblers who would be doing that if the issue was a 180 degrees in the other direction.
I am not gloating on bit. I am MAD AS HELL that over 1,000,000,000 US dollars was sent down this financial abyss along with the hopes and aspirations for better opportunities for generations of uneducated or under educated Dominican children.
There should be an international inquiry for the violation of the civil rights of the Dominican children; especially when our own constitution has been violated for 14 years with regard to the mandate for 4% towards EDUCATION.
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 2:05 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
I say international because the PLD dictatorship controls the three branches of government and obviously they would not initiate an objective inquiry to let the chips fall where they may!
Written by: DaveB, 20 Sep 2012 2:16 PM
From: United States
This is the time when all of the thieves in any Administration start coming up with excuses for their embezzlements. I know that many of you are knee-tremblingly terrified of early 20th century technology, but with some government honesty and dedication to the public, this Metro will eventually be a very solid support for low income people in Santa Domingo. Not everything is about the bitter individual.
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 2:18 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"this Metro will eventually be a very solid support for low income people in Santa Domingo"
When about 3012?
Written by: DaveB, 20 Sep 2012 2:22 PM
From: United States
An international inquirery into the civil rights of children? International? Is this because Dominicans are so weak and limp? Or are you thinking you need just another opportunity for panhandling from ethnicities whom you presume are superior? Sing the national anthem, josean: "My fren' Tengo hambre! My family has no fooda (sob!). Investigate Civil Rights here and bring lots of dollars for me."
Written by: juanb, 20 Sep 2012 2:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic
One only has to look at current condition of the Mercedes-Benz buses that are now being used to see what the Metro will look like in the not too distant future.
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 2:29 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"Is this because Dominicans are so weak and limp?"
No because our System is Corrupt to the Core!
From: United States
says JuanB
Written by: juanb, 20 Sep 2012 2:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic
One only has to look at current condition of the Mercedes-Benz buses that are now being used to see what the Metro will look like in the not too distant future.
and those are just buses.. trains are a heck of a lot harder to maintain.
Written by: ingle23 , 20 Sep 2012 2:54 PM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
We have difficulties in maintaining and operating the Metro, we don’t want to let the system drop which has cost us so much sacrifice, first the Dominican people with taxes and second those of us who make the effort to maintain it.
For those who consistenly badgered Josean about the Metro “oooopppssss”!!!!!! The above statement is coming from the ones responsible for the damn, useless thing.
From: United States, Brooklyn
these faults are standards of any subway system. I recall being, not too long ago, in a nyc subway car that had no air too. It happens people.
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 3:18 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Hey CarlosFranco I guess Deputy Director Leonel Carrasco must be a Haitian for telling the truth!
Written by: ingle23 , 20 Sep 2012 3:18 PM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
Carlos,
It is a matter of funding/cost to maintain the system.
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 3:21 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Boy Saint Danilo sounds like josean!
“Wikileaks: Danilo criticized Leonel for taking out loans for construction”
“The then former Minister of the Presidency Vicente Bengoa criticized for being servile and described as "excessive" the defense of the Dominican currency”
September 20,2012
SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic-The crisis President Danilo Medina has inherited from his predecessor Leonel Fernandez was never a secret to him, who criticized the increase in debt to finance works in the interest of the then President Fernandez in August 2008.
In addition, Medina admitted in August 2008, before an officer of the political section of the Embassy of United States in Santo Domingo, that there were officials in the Dominican Government receiving money from the drug traffickers.
continued:
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 3:22 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Thus narrated in a confidential cable from the diplomatic legation of the United States, which is part of the documents disclosed by Wikileaks. The cable was published by Acento.com.do and released by Noticisas SIN of Antenna Latin, in August 2011, and exposes a conversation of Medina with the American officer during the tenure of Ambassador Robert Fannin.
At the meeting, Danilo Medina criticized that in his speech of inauguration for Government 2008-2012, President Fernandez announced a program of infrastructure projects, which would be financed with a loan from abroad.
"Medina argued that the Government simply borrows more to finance the projects of the President (Fernandez)", narrates the cable.
“He also criticized what he considered excessive defense of the peso, which caused the interest rates to increase, criticizing the Minister of finance, (Vicente) Bengoa, who he criticized for being servile", details the confidential report.
continued:
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 3:25 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Corruption and officials linked to drug trafficking
In the cable that the diplomat sent to Washington on 25 August 2008, he also reported that Danilo Medina had recognized that the problem of corruption was "serious" in Dominican political parties.
Medina told the diplomat of the USA that where government officials that enriched themselves with the money from the drug traffickers, because they did not do due diligence investigating the origin of the money they received or "proactively" approached the drug traffickers to get money from them.
Read the rest at:
acento.com.do/index.php/news/21698/56/Wikileaks-Danilo-critico-a-Leonel-por-tomar-prestamos-para-las-construcciones.html
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 3:31 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Now two questions for Saint Danilo:
1. Weren’t you SERVILE during 2004 to 2008 by not speaking up against the USELESS METRO that is about to collapse?
2. And how do we know that some of those officials that were allegedly taking money from Drug Traffickers according to you are not in your current administration since basically you reappointed the overwhelming majority of Lie-onel’s crooks?
??????
Written by: DomRat, 20 Sep 2012 3:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Leaks in the stations, fix that by insisting the companies that did the work stand behind their job. For the companies that dodge the issue, cut payments on present work to a level to hire other contractrs to repair should there be a problem with compliance. Also halt further government contracts with those companies and companies that have the same members on their boards as those that did the substandard work. The people taht were running those companies are still around for the greatest part.
Written by: DomRat, 20 Sep 2012 3:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Leaks in the stations, fix that by insisting the companies that did the work stand behind their job. For the companies that dodge the issue, cut payments on present work to a level to hire other contractrs to repair should there be a problem with compliance. Also halt further government contracts with those companies and companies that have the same members on their boards as those that did the substandard work. The people taht were running those companies are still around for the greatest part.
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 4:01 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
All works on this Financial Albatross should be Stopped Immediately!
A feasibility study by disinterested experts should be done, as well as a financial audit to determine if its cost effective to continue and if the current structural problems are due to a lack of maintenance, poor quality in the original construction, quality of materials used and the quality of equipment purchased thus far etc. And have the monies spent so far ben done so legitimately or pissed in the wind of corruption.
When you’re in hole, Pardon the Pun, you need to stop digging or in this case stop for a while until you can assure quality of construction and the benefits of ROI!
Written by: dolo1, 20 Sep 2012 4:10 PM
From: United States
wow !
what a boondoggle. Text book IMF/World Banl stuff: read CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HITMAN.
From: Dominican Republic
Leonel deberia estar preso por dios!
This guy paid double for the metros than what the Chinese paid for the same trains!
It's a god damn F... SHAME that while we are arguing here about are economics problem, this rat is in Europe living the good life. Wish he gets assassinated.
From: Dominican Republic
.....people take a chill-pill...the reality is that, the Metro will be running tomorrow and the day after that...and the day after that....and so on.
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 4:21 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Arcangel96,
How do you know that, did you buy a crystal ball at a garage sale recently to predict the future!
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
How do you know that, did you buy a crystal ball at a garage sale recently to predict the future?
Not at all, he went to the local Haitian brujo.
From: United States, Brooklyn
Josean: It is true that every dog has his day: today is your day. It confirms your hatred and your desire to see us fail. it's a day of jubilation for you and I say enjoy it. The truth is that this is just a problem of maintenance, which we know the DR is poor at. we built but fail to maintain. But she will rise again to your great disappointment and while DR may have built a project she wasn't ready for, your country builds NOTHING.
From: United States
This project failed before it ever started. We cannot keep the lights on 24/7.How are we going to keep a metro line running? Why doesnt anyone just admit the truth about this project.It was done so people close to LF could steal money. Nothing more. We have far bigger problems than anything a metro can solve.
Written by: RoyStone, 20 Sep 2012 6:18 PM
From: Australia
Ron, Dominicans don't learn from their mistakes. The Hippo was almost re-elected.
So the Groucho line (#2) will be funded and the Leo line (#1) won't? That may be a good sign that the Leo era is at an end, not just on hold.
From: Dominican Republic
josean,
My friend it will be there.... the genie is out of the bottle.
Written by: BASTA, 20 Sep 2012 6:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all
DomRat,=ElMayimbe007,VeronicaDR,== 5*****s
Arcangel96,== 2--s
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 7:16 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Veronica you have said it best "This Project Failed Before It Ever Started!"
But remember the Uber nationalist dominicans will call you Haitian because you dare speak the truth!
Written by: williom, 20 Sep 2012 7:44 PM
From: United States
Dedicated josean-
You are neither Haitian, nor an Ape.
**** As of today, you are officially DT's top poster. ****
Please, keep on "Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia".
________
Congrats!
From: United States
says williom
Written by: williom, 20 Sep 2012 7:44 PM
From: United States
Dedicated josean-
You are neither Haitian, nor an Ape.
**** As of today, you are officially DT's top poster. ****
Please, keep on "Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia".
________
Congrats!
.
you might not like his style, but you have to give him his due
From: Cuba, La Havana, Que Viva La Revolucion
Josie AKA BASTA the Dope Head
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 2:04 PMFrom: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD MafiaWritten by: dreadlocks, 20 Sep 2012 12:29 PMFrom: United Statesthank you BASTA. i hope people do not think that i am gloating. there are hundreds of thousands of children, OUR FUTURE, who could have been getting an opportunity for an education if this guy had not decided to make this monument to himself. that is not something to celebrate about.Dr. DreadThe issue about gloating is the projection from the psychobabblers who would be doing that if the issue was 180%.I am not gloating on bit I am MAD AS HELL that over 1,000,000,000 US dollars was sent down this financial abyss along with the hopes and aspirations for better opportunities for generations of uneducated or under educated Dominican children.There should be an international inquiry for the violation of the civil rights of the Dominican children; especially whe
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 8:18 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
williom and Dr. Dread thank you for the undeserved accolades!
However, it has never been about quantity for me but rather quality and in that respect, in my book, Dr. Dread will always be the top poster at DT!
Written by: williom, 20 Sep 2012 8:24 PM
From: United States
Dr. Dread. I am not taking anything away from you. You literally build and hold this place up.
But lately, when it comes to josean, I can only find one word: DEDICATION.
Many have quit the madness. You both have faced the madness. And the madness won't stop.
___________________
Congrats to both of you.
Written by: NYGuy35, 20 Sep 2012 10:19 PM
From: United States
The tunnels can be used for Hatian detention centers. Maybe they can be used as a hospital with consistent power. Danilo can flood the tunnels and offer boat service and sell carbon credits. The trash in santo Domingo este can be placed in the tunnel and burned. The tunnel can be converted to an underground mall complete with disco.
Just thoughts
From: United States
this sounds like a love fest, but i appreciate the kind words. one reason why Josean takes so much flak is that his detractors do not like to hear the truth, in plain terms. he tells them, without holding back. he reads the releases that they do not have the time for. some things need honest appraisal. the Metro is one. a billion dollars, in a country where the GDP is around 60 billion, is a huge sum of money. if people are unwilling to dissect the idea, and just see it as progress, it is their fault when they get disappointed. sometimes we have to accept bitter pills, and not just support people for support 's sake. i wrote, at length, about the fact that the metro would have a hard time getting a large ridership, because public transportation is only effective within a quarter mile catchment radius, and that there would be a necessity to have secondary transportation to get people to the train. well, it was the same old thing...Dread thinks he knows everything.
From: United States
Josean has made it his calling card, and, sadly, and regrettably, the wheels seem to be barely attached, at this point.. trust me on this one, please. all who believe that this is all overblown melodrama better think again..the general rule is that they never tell it as bad as it is. they always just give you as much bad news as they think you need to hear.
From: United States
i remember saying, 3 or so years ago, that the Central Bank was manipulating the exchange rate of the Dominican peso. man, did i take a licking for saying that. now, it seems like some economist thinks that i was right. what i am saying is that so many people were willing to give me a lashing, because they did not like what i said. rather than go do some research, and finding the truth, it was easier to shoot the messenger. seems that in this case, they shot, but Josean ducked.
Written by: RoyStone, 20 Sep 2012 10:27 PM
From: Australia
There is a very strong case for a Metro in Santo Domingo. If it has been a disaster, the idea is not the problem, it is the implementation. Don't confuse the two. Incompetence and corruption are major problems in this country, whether it is the Metro or the military, education, public health, the environment, whatever. Focus on that, not the Metro.
From: United States
Roy, that is EXACTLY what my first posting was intended to convey.
Written by: RoyStone, 20 Sep 2012 10:30 PM
From: Australia
Some very attractive suggestions, NYGuy35,
However I'd still op for using the tunnels for an efficient rapid urban transit system.
Written by: RoyStone, 20 Sep 2012 10:39 PM
From: Australia
Dready,
It was no secret that " the Central Bank was manipulating the exchange rate of the Dominican peso". However I did criticize you for saying the monetary transactions of the world far outweigh all the goods, services, resources and assets changing hands (or econo-speak words to that effect). As it turns out, you were right. (yes, an apology). The potential, or even inevitable, consequences are very, very scary. The entire system could collapse, and coupled with the dominance of Islam, lead us in to the next Dark Ages. Think about it (I'd rather not).
From: United States
no need to apologize, Roy.
From: United States
Roy, read this, then go buy an ample supply of sleeping pills. if the world economy scares you, this should give you the shivers
Big Risk: $1.2 Quadrillion Derivatives Market Dwarfs World GDP
Category: Dominoe #3 - Fallen Derivatives
One of the biggest risks to the world's financial health is the $1.2 quadrillion derivatives market. It's complex, it's unregulated, and it ought to be of concern to world leaders that its notional value is 20 times the size of the world economy. But traders rule the roost -- and as much as risk managers and regulators might want to limit that risk, they lack the power or knowledge to do so.
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 11:16 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Roy,
The issues is not whether or not the METRO is efficient its that its not a priority and the Dominican government is totally inefficient at maintaining it and running it!
They never planned for the need of feeder routes and 4 years after the put it into operation they still have not been organized.
Simply they bit off more than they could chew and now they are beginning to vomit!
From: Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas), The Dentist will see you now
Josean just think of all the mushrooms we will be able to grow in those tunnels
From: Canada
Josean,
As soon as I saw this headline, I knew you'd be the first on queue. LOL.... go get 'em tiger. LOL
Written by: RonEvane , 21 Sep 2012 7:32 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
In today's edition of the Listin Diario, there's a report on water leaks on several stations, and nothing about cars without air conditioning. Leaks are hardly cause for DT's declaration for an "imminent collapse" of the system. This is nothing but a sensationalized report with no credibility.
As Medina ascertains the budgetary situation in our nation, the money due for regular maintenance is delayed and OPRET sub-director Carrasco, complains about funds not being allocated as of yet.
I certainly dismiss, ( to the detractors & pessimists disappointment), our Metro suddenly ceasing operations. Like it or not, this modern rapid transport system will operate past the time we're all dead and gone.
We will prosper greatly and the Metro will be the wheels to help in achieving that goal. It does not matter what it's said here, fact of the matter is that despite the number of pinheads who
hope for the worse, this Metro is here to stay. Thank goodness.!
Written by: josean, 21 Sep 2012 7:36 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
originalmrb,
The PLD sacrificed investing in the true national priority EDUCATION, in violation of the constitutional 4% mandate to build a non priority METRO, which has resulted in the collapse of not only the METRO but the education system as well!
People should be prosecuted for this crime against Dominican children and the taxpayers!
Written by: josean, 21 Sep 2012 7:39 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
There are people who still think the Edsel was a good idea !
Written by: josean, 21 Sep 2012 7:48 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Don't blame the messenger DT for the headline, they were just quoting Mr. CARRASCO who obviously knows more than you and the PLD's propaganda organ Listin!
Written by: RonEvane , 21 Sep 2012 7:56 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
How about YOU getting an education and learn how to spell proper English, pinhead!
You're a pest, unable to formulate ideas of your own. The extent of your arguments don't go beyond the "useless Metro" and the correlation with our school system which,--if it's true you're a Dominican--, are a product of.
How about getting a job, or go back to elementary school, or read a book, (if you have that ability).
Isn't there something to do other than to irritate people, day and night, with constant nonsense?
Get a life, and get help for your mental disorders, bud.
Written by: Atabey, 21 Sep 2012 8:14 AM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: RonEvane, 20 Sep 2012 12:08 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
"Among the deficiencies Carrasco cited leaks in several stations and problems with the air conditioning system in some of the cars."
These are hardly reasons to panic and proclaim "operations of the metro are about to collapse".
Water leaks are typical of every subterranean tunnel. Mines are plague with this problem when water seeps right through rock and soil, especially when there're a heavy rains. Solution?.sump pumps. As any other infrastructural undertaking __sea and airports, highways, bridges, buildings, etc-- it must be constantly maintained or it deteriorates.... Same with our bodies, If not properly fed, exercised, and mentally stimulated, it will die.
I wouldn't panic about the lack of air conditioning "in some cars".
Thanks for some real and experienced comments concerning this subject.
Written by: josean, 21 Sep 2012 8:24 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
This a treat, the two PURPLE apologists back to back trying to defend the indefensible!
From: United States, New York City
Atabey adds:
"Thanks for some real and experienced comments concerning this subject."
So Mr. Evans is in a better position to comment on the Metro than one the Metro's own Deputy Directors. Some of you are extremely obtuse to say the least.
From: United States
i could tell you right now that Pres Danilo and his government are not and will never be corrupt i can gurantee you that!!!!
From: Dominican Republic
Just a quick update...The Metro was working this morning. My Dollar-Store Crystal ball prognosticates that it will be working tomorrow too. :)
Written by: josean, 21 Sep 2012 10:33 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
You can make a Killing Selling Umbrellas!
Written by: josean, 21 Sep 2012 10:42 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"Written by: JMONTILLA, 21 Sep 2012 9:51 AM
From: United States
i could tell you right now that Pres Danilo and his government are not and will never be corrupt i can gurantee you that!!!!"
How can you say that with the overwhelming number of Corrupt Holdovers from Lie-onel's NARCO administration reappointed by him?
I hope you’re not betting the mortgage on that one!
Another crystal ball owner!
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... ((You're blind to the fact that you're blind))
lets hope so Monti
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... ((You're blind to the fact that you're blind))
The real reason for this metro is that leo was thinking ahead of time and wanted to create a dooms day underwater capsule. Why go to Mile High Denver when you have the dominican republic at sea level.
Written by: riosm, 21 Sep 2012 11:06 AM
From: United States
I wonder who didn't see this one coming.
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
More then likely they will continue to operate withour air condition and leaks , because they wont see that money until 6 months from now .
From: Dominican Republic
josean,
Putting politics and jokes aside, the water filtration problem and the air conditional are not in itself the show stoppers. What the article seem to not clarify, or Deputy Director Leonel Carrasco not articulate is, why the RD$650.0 million pesos ($16.5 Million dollars) in revenue are not being administer directly by OPRET? I thought the OPRET was suppose to be independent. Why the Central Government is shortchanging the OPRET?
Written by: RonEvane , 21 Sep 2012 11:56 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Exactly that, Arcangel. Carrasco is crying wolf to get his hands on this money. Glad to know Medina's accessing the situation, seeing how things work, and reacting accordingly.
These are all the hallmark of a good administrator that hasn't yet had the time to look into how the government, as a whole, was run by Fernandez. .Perhaps some cuts are in order, beginning with Carrasco's salary.
The money will be disbursed in a timely manner, as it should be.
The leaks will be taken cared of and our "useless" Metro will continue to serve 200.000 thousand people every day.
From: United States
i do not want to flog this topic , because it is sad, as it stands. however, for those of us who seek to remind us that there are also leaks in the NYC subway system, i have just one question
do you know how old the NYC subways are?
Written by: RoyStone, 21 Sep 2012 12:27 PM
From: Australia
Dready,
American is more worried about Wikileaks than subway leaks. I am ashamed that our government has abandoned one of our greatest heroes, now in need.
Written by: josean, 21 Sep 2012 12:38 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Why the Central Government is shortchanging the OPRET?
I agree lets put all the jokes aside and ask....
"The Question"......."Why is the Central Government shortchanging" the Dominican People, especially the Children, from a world class Competitive EDUCATION and the constitutionally guaranteed mandate of 4%!
From: United States
my sentiments exactly, Roy. maybe it could be because your government is firmly embedded in the neoliberal applecart, along with New Zealand.
From: Dominican Republic
Josean,
I agree that since its creation "La Ley General de Educación No.66-97, del 9 de abril de 1997", signed by former president Fernandez, has not been fully followed. But, this article is not about education, but the current economic state of the Metro system.
From: United States
So you guys think the metro was a mistake Keep dreaming! They used to say the same thing about lebron james! Leonel fernandez wont let his project go down the toilet! The 2nd line is about to finish and you guys think the metro will fail! :) pobrecitos!
From: United States
The metro will only make dr better! Ignorance is blind! E' palante k vamos!
Written by: josean, 21 Sep 2012 3:09 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Written by: Arcangel96, 21 Sep 2012 1:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Josean,
I agree that since its creation "La Ley General de Educación No.66-97, del 9 de abril de 1997", signed by former president Fernandez, has not been fully followed. But, this article is not about education, but the current economic state of the Metro system.
To me EVERYTHING is about EDUCATION!!!!!
From: United States, NJ
Atabey:
Do you remember posting #876 and #877 on 8/24/12 @2;29 pm,9;13 pm subject Santo Domingo
Subway?
As if I had been there watching the entire construction of the Metro,and knew the outcomes of it.
I think this guy Deputy Director Leonel Carrasco is exagerating the issue ,All this is part of maintanace, If it cost money to repair ,it is still under quarantee by the contractors. So it has to be at no cost to the DR manager
As you remeber i quoted then less than a month ago the need for CONTRACT COMPLIANCE DEPARTAMENT as well as the CAPITAL BUDGET prior to bidding on the projects and its CRITERIA meetings.I also by so saying 'every project has a start and completion date,beyond that the contractors would be penalyzed by a fine /day if not completed on time. That material quality has to be by specification under written wuarantee plusd labor and parts for 10 years if deterioration occurs within that period time frame.
Written by: josean, 21 Sep 2012 5:14 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Where's the money for the Santo Domingo Metro?
Earlier this month, the deputy director of the Metro Office, Leonel Carrasco said that the plan was to finish the first half of the second line of the Metro by December and that President Danilo Medina had authorized the funds and that contractors were making progress. The second line runs from west to east below the John F. Kennedy Avenue.
However, speaking on a radio program on Thursday, 20 September Carrasco complained that the reality is that the Metro has not received funds for construction or maintenance for three months.
He said that reductions in the government subsidy for the operation of the first line could force a system shutdown, even though the Metro raises RD$65 million pesos a year and transports more than 100,000 fare-paying passengers every day.
DR1
I thought one of the METRO MANIACS said it was 200,000 a day?
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Written by: josean, 21 Sep 2012 5:19 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"RonEvane, 21 Sep 2012 11:56 AM"
"The leaks will be taken cared of and our "useless" Metro will continue to serve 200,000 thousand people every day."
Now how can some who writes and reads English “perfectly” not know the difference between 100,000 and 200,000?
Written by: josean, 21 Sep 2012 5:23 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
PS
"Carrasco said there are many deficiencies that need maintenance. This includes leaks in the roofs at several stations that have caused damage to the escalators. There are also problems with the air conditioning system in several cars, as reported in Diario Libre. Hoy reported that their unofficial sources suggest that the debt with contractors is more than RD$500 million."
"The first part of the second line is set to cost US$700 million and runs from Duarte Highway at Km. 90 along John F. Kennedy Ave. up to the Ozama River."
Written by: riosm, 21 Sep 2012 5:28 PM
From: United States
With the threat of earthquakes, flooding and crime.....a waste of money....they should of built a monorail system it could doubled as a sightseer at half the cost of operation and maintenance.
From: United States, NJ
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"Contractors shall repair same at no cost to the DR Metro"This applies to moving parts as well as non moving parts,Static such as rectifiers,Transformers,Asbestos free to be used such as breaks and HT & LT cables or switch gears & transformers.The raillings to be checked periodically within 6 months period ,no sign of abnormalities such as cracks and worn out ,spreading distance of 3 mills tolerance.Replace part as they become worned out or defective.
so as not to create derailments accidents that could affect human lives since public
safety is a must.
I could only speak of my experience after working for the MTA NYCTA for over 41 years and that i had observed too many mistakes and my knowlege was adquired by watching other people's
mistakeand learned by their mistakes.
THIS METRO WAS NOT WELL PLANNED AND ACCORDINGLY IT IS GOING TO BE A FAILURE
SOONER OR LATER STARTING WITH WHAT AM MENTIONING,
Written by: Spimx, 21 Sep 2012 5:43 PM
From: Canada
1. How is the leaking? Is it just a wet wall, or is it water pouring from a crack,in the ceiling? a wet wall is not to worry about, water always get though the soil. A crack is different, that will deteriorate to point that the ceiling will come down.
2. Taking a subway with no proper air circulation is not just a bad idea, it could be deadly. Some people might be ale to take it more than others. But depending the temperature, and the weather condition ( and we all know how hot it can get) without a/c is really dangerous.
Written by: Spimx, 21 Sep 2012 5:44 PM
From: Canada
In Toronto I see wet walls every time, at the same time I see workers, fixing the problem, maintaining, and at the first sign of a crack they will close a section to fix it.
If car goes down they will change it and send it to repair, that's why they extras.
The point isn't if the metro was a bad idea, it was a perfect idea. The problem is that this not the time for a metro in santo Domingo. Our country, our government, our PEOPLE is not ready for it. They don't know how to use it, they don't know what is PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE, our people don't have the civil EDUCATION to take care of it.
Written by: riosm, 21 Sep 2012 5:55 PM
From: United States
I guess some ones out of big money.
Written by: Spimx, 21 Sep 2012 5:56 PM
From: Canada
One more thing..
100,000 riders a day
$ 20 a ticket
100,000 X 20 = 2,000,000
365 days a year X 2,000,000 = $730,000,000 pesos a year..
If the total daily ridership is 200,000 feel free to double the final number
From: United States, NJ
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Who ever took those pictures, they are nice but, would it stand the following:
I didn't see any 'tunnel exaust ceilling fans' in place to get rid of the smoke in case of fire.This is very important and crucial.
No where was AC mentioned in the train cooling system .Fans are proven to be obsolite since all they do is move hot air around.
Since the capital is located by the sea water front ,the probability of flooding will occur from time to time. I didn't see any super drain pumps in place to drain water away from and out of the tracks.
Would they have a second source of electric supply in case the primary faills?You don;t want to be stranded in the middle of of a tunnel just because there is no tracktion electric power.
Visual inspections for cracks as well as metal corrosion treatments (ELECTROLYSIS). A negative voltage applied to the metal structure to prevent corrosion.
Written by: RoyStone, 21 Sep 2012 8:11 PM
From: Australia
Not necessary, Themo
Don't you believe in Jesus?
From: United States, NJ
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Funding for the completion of the Metro for what I understand came to a halt .NO MORE LOANS!!
How about applying to the Central Bank and Local banks or floating bonds ?I hate to have an incompleted project that has cost the DR so much money, Right or wrong it is there,lets do our
best.
I guess the IMF or the W/B or the IAB have all walked away from a white elephant ,which stands to show you not to depend on others but do it with with your own resourses and efforts. We can not bring our country into the 21st Century on borrow money ,not knowing how we are going to pay it back .
There is a saying in Spanish "Quien no puede no va"!!!.
Written by: bayman46, 21 Sep 2012 9:20 PM
From: United States
I knew this were happen.
Local need to relize that when you invest in something new, money needs to be set aside in the Budget for Maintence & Repairs. Dominican always invest in something that they don't need(like a SubwaySystem) and instead of putting the profits back into the investments, they put it in there pockets. A COMPANY NEVER HAS A CHANCE TO GROW IN THIS COUNTRY and now they are trying to build a second subways line,how crazy.
I give them less than a year and that Subway System be closed down and Bankrupt and it will be another "Short lived PROJECT/INVESTMENT" setting around collecting Rust and Dust like so many in Santo Domingo. Just look at all the half built Businesses and Condo Buildings on the Malecon.
All that wasted money could have gone toward Education and Feeding the Poor, which is needed more in this Carbbean Country.
Written by: RonEvane , 21 Sep 2012 11:01 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Bayman46. Another pinhead emerges out of the mental ghetto that this website has become! Yes, I'm referring to you, who: "knew this were happen". I can tell the kind of schooling you've had by the lack of syntax, spelling, and of proper punctuation in your asinine comment.
This freaking site is a dump for the mentally deficient,.infested by illiterates, human thrash, after- the- fact- prognosticators and elementary school drop-outs!.These are the "experts" in economics, mass transportation, and engineering! ...Holly straight jacket!
These visionaries and enlightened folks, as a group,.have declared the Metro a total failure, a royal waste of money, and a superb fiasco!! This is what results when the emotionally traumatized, the mental midgets, the self-absorbed, the ones who think of themselves as supreme thinkers, and the politically obsessed, come into play in the same arena.!
I have grown tired of dealing with these entities. . I think it best to vow out of DT. It has
Written by: RonEvane , 21 Sep 2012 11:03 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Bayman46. Another pinhead emerges out of the mental ghetto that this website has become! Yes, I'm referring to you, who: "knew this were happen". I can tell the kind of schooling you've had by the lack of syntax, spelling, and of proper punctuation in your asinine comment.
This freaking site is a dump for the mentally deficient,.infested by illiterates, human thrash, after- the- fact- prognosticators and elementary school drop-outs!.These are the "experts" in economics, mass transportation, and engineering! ...Holly straight jacket!
These visionaries and enlightened folks, as a group,.have declared the Metro a total failure, a royal waste of money, and a superb fiasco!! This is what results when the emotionally traumatized, the mental midgets, the self-absorbed, the ones who think of themselves as supreme thinkers, and the politically obsessed, come into play in the same arena. ..cont.
Written by: RonEvane , 21 Sep 2012 11:11 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
...I've grown tired of dealing with these entities. It has come to be a headache, rather than the entertaining/learning experience I had expected.
I think it best to vow out of DT. I will log in one more time soon before leaving to express my thanks to those that made it fun and corrected me in my errors.... Carry on, and take care.
Written by: josean, 21 Sep 2012 11:16 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Good riddance!
One less elitist PURPLE PRICK!
Written by: RoyStone, 21 Sep 2012 11:22 PM
From: Australia
Hey Ron,
Don't spit the dummy!
Debate is what it is all about. If we all agreed then what would be the point - preaching to the choir! As you can see from my posts that I happen to think the Metro is a good idea, but I'm not holding out for any converts here. If you just want agreement, then stick to talking about Dominican woman. We not only have conciseness, but unanimous agreement they are the best in the world. Yeah?
Written by: ingle23 , 21 Sep 2012 11:57 PM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
Ron,
Chill!!!, or rather do not get frustrated ( let’s agree to disagree); it is not about literacy, grammar, puntuaction or sentence agreement ( the insult is not granted). Trust me, there are a BUNCH OF EDUCATED, RICH (YES) folks on this blog.
These guys are trying to express their thoughts and opinions in a very humble and simplistic manner. Without even thinking about any “shakespearean” writing discipline or rules. The METRO is an infrastructure that could be an asset to the country. However, DR needs more schools, hospitals, infrastructure upgrades such as roads, bridges, and a good emergency defense plan. I can go on and on about other socio- economical, environmental, law enforcement needs... but it will not help.
From: Dominican Republic
"Written by: MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier, 21 Sep 2012 8:08 PM
From: United States, NJ
continue,
Who ever took those pictures, they are nice but, would it stand the following:
I didn't see any 'tunnel exaust ceilling fans' in place to get rid of the smoke in case of fire.This is very important and crucial."
I don't want to point out the obvious but....you realize that this particular station is not underground...right?
From: Dominican Republic
Ron
Do not look for grammar or punctuation here, just try to look at the point the fellow users are trying to make. I agree with ingle23 and jose about the need of schooling in DR which will eliminate the "illiterates,people with mental deficiency" and will provide us with citizens with great ideas and future leaders. But what worries me most and is way overlooked is are fire fighters, building structures, and emergency units. I do not want to imagine or experience a earthquake of the magnitude of the one in Haiti, I do not wish it to happen but the future is always uncertain. I think that instead of investing on the Metro, the government should had enforced our fire fighters and emergency units. I live in a small town in the northeast and there is only one fire department in my town, it's incredible that from my town that one fire truck is called to go to other small communities as far as 1 hour from the department. Once it took the truck 1 hour to get to another pueblo and went it
From: Dominican Republic
continue.....
got there the fire devastated the community since there was no fire truck in a radius of 1 hour. My point is, imagine if there was a earthquake? there will be uncontrollable fire everywhere and ONE fire truck is not enough for around 30 small towns in my providence. Ron the Metro is important but these problems like schooling,police enforcement,bridges,roads,corrupt politicians and judicial, and our emergency unit SHOULD had come first.
Written by: williom, 22 Sep 2012 3:55 AM
From: United States
I don't know what the deal is with Ron. Roy is for the metro, and he doesn't call people Haitians, apes, illiterates, human thrash... Most of us here learn English as a 2nd or 3rd language. This is not a freaking online English classroom. DT articles themselves have spelling/grammatical problems at times, and we don't see Ron call the DT Editor -Ape.
The sad part is: he is for the useless metro. The same metro that took a big chunk out of the constitutionally mandated 4% for the EDUCATION. He has the nerves to call people illiterates, apes?! How can people be all smarty smart like him without an education? He doesn't feed his kids just to get angry and call them malnourished. Dude said he's an Atheist, and he regularly goes to church. So, why can't he be for the metro and amicably have a Presidente with an illiterate who's against it?
About everything in DR has been neglected so the overpriced useless metro could be illegally built so the purple morons could masterly steal.
Written by: RoyStone, 22 Sep 2012 4:58 AM
From: Australia
williom, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any government, PLD or PRD, were spending 4% of GDP on education before they started building the Metro.
Written by: RoyStone, 22 Sep 2012 5:03 AM
From: Australia
ElMayimbe007,
Who needs fire trucks, insurance or even seat-belts when you've got Jesus? He decides when it's your time to go and there's nothing you can do about it, so have a few more beers before jumping on your motorbike and riding home without lights.
From: Canada
@ Josean re: People should be prosecuted for this crime against Dominican children and the taxpayers!
After reading your myriad commentary - and those of others - there can be little doubt that the priorities of past power have been sufficient to cause more than a few raised eyebrows, and clenched fists. My experience concerning questionable dealings by or outright corrupt political actions of leaders will often go unchecked. If they ever do get brought up in front of courts or councils, there is often no real outcome or punitive recompense. Just look at my country for evidence of this. When all is said and done, all that truly happens is that we taxpayers get to pay once more to have these tribunals tell us who zoomed us - something we could have disclosed for free.
Y asi.................
From: Canada
…It seems that the real value in the process is not just to close the barn door - but to fix the lock to prevent further loss. The fact that this horse is long gone is just that - a very expensive fact. An expense not just restricted to the public coffer, but life and limb as well.
I can see your point, and certainly feel your pains, but how much would you have the RD taxpayer spend on bringing this to justice? You and I both know this will cost no small fortune, and the only real benefit would go to the lawyers and litigants. You know that well from the political comedies in your adopted country of the recent lustrum. And though it would be nice to dream of retribution - a la Mussolini - the fact is that the power rarely ever pays for deeds done with an eye to deniability or loop holes.
I am not criticizing your stance, because you're emoting what everyone else is thinking. But the hole is in the ground now, and so,what do you do you propose to do now and moving forward?
Written by: airgordo, 22 Sep 2012 9:54 AM
From: Dominican Republic
THIS STUPID thing SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN BUILT on the first place!! becasue as i have said One million times here NO ONE ASKED FOR IT!! NO ONE OFFERED IT on the campaing!! this just came out of a NUEVAL YOL CHIQUITO ridiculous whim!
When You INVEST x2 the ENTIRE BUDGET for EDUCATION of an ENTIRE NATION on a SINGLE stupid whim, a "DESIRE" from a Clown that though he was a Pharoh THIS IS THE KIND OF SH!T that happens!! MANY here wrote about this just to be Joked at, that is why i will repeat again Josean's first comments!!
GOD DAM we TOLD you so!!!
Yet many still defend something TOTALLY ILOGICAL AND IRATIONAL which should have NEVER been build at the expense of the REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS that MOVE a nation FORWARD, THERE ARE CLOSE TO A MILLION Dominicans that are ILLITERATES on 2012!! therefore this people must have made GROSS MONEY o received BENEFITS from this STupid Montruosity, or they are family of Leonel, just that way we can explain this completely BLINDNESS.
Written by: williom, 22 Sep 2012 10:08 AM
From: United States
Roy, that's the whole point. The government keeps the masses illiterate so the government can masterly lie and steal -especially by coming up with frivolous projects while giving strong prison sentences to young kids that the government deny a fair shot at life in the first place.
The country is governed by a bunch of corrupted thieves supported by an entourage of thieves. Morons have no courage to fix the obvious: bridges, roads, electricity, healthcare... And they come up with a $1 billion useless metro?!
Like I said before: Nobody cares about the maimed kids. The heartless only care about the bloody diamonds. Just wipe the blood off!
Written by: airgordo, 22 Sep 2012 10:16 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: RonEvane, 21 Sep 2012 11:11 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
...I've grown tired of dealing with these entities. It has come to be a headache, rather than the entertaining/learning experience I had expected.
I think it best to vow out of DT. I will log in one more time soon before leaving to express my thanks to those that made it fun and corrected me in my errors.... Carry on, and take care.
--
Adios, cierre la puerta cuando salga, buena suerte defendiendo disparates sin sentido...
From: Dominican Republic
airgordo,
I just want to put this in perspective. The current working Metro line is generating approximatelly 16.5 million dollars in fares, on a 14.5 km. stretch, with the current trend of increase ridership year after year. In other words, approximatelly one hundred thousand workers commuting from "Villa Mella" to "La Feria" daily, that used to be pack like cattle into run down buses and cars, without any guarantees that they would arrive to their destination on time, or with a single fare. It has been proven that, in large metropolis around the world, that this is the way to go to address the issue of mass transportation system. It is the logical thing to do! We are already a city with 3.7 million residents, that will grow more dense as we start building ever more higher buildings.
Written by: RoyStone, 22 Sep 2012 1:44 PM
From: Australia
Absolutely, Arcangel96
The arguments for a Metro in any large city are even more valid for Santo Domingo considering the road systems (and Dominican drivers and vehicles) are so bad.
I agree that education should also be a priority, but I have not seen any evidence that money spent on the Metro would have gone in to education if it did not exist. For all the theft, corruption and wastage in this country, it astounds me that the Metro is one thing taking all the criticism.
From: Dominican Republic
RoyStone,
Agree 100%.
Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 4:26 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
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Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 4:26 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
originalmrb,
"I am not criticizing your stance, because you're emoting what everyone else is thinking. But the hole is in the ground now, and so,what do you do you propose to do now and moving forward?"
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 4:01 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
All works on this Financial Albatross should be Stopped Immediately!
A feasibility study by disinterested experts should be done, as well as a financial audit to determine if its cost effective to continue and if the current structural problems are due to a lack of maintenance, poor quality in the original construction, quality of materials used and the quality of equipment purchased thus far etc. And have the monies spent so far ben done so legitimately or pissed in the wind of corruption.
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Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 4:26 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
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Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 4:27 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
When you’re in hole, Pardon the Pun, you need to stop digging or in this case stop for a while until you can assure quality of construction and the benefits of ROI!
Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 4:50 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Arcangel96 says;
"We are already a city with 3.7 million residents, that will grow more dense as we start building ever more higher buildings."
A crtic responds:
"I depart from a lot of current thinking on the subject. For instance, many people seem to think that there will be more of everything—more people, taller skyscrapers, greater suburbs, bigger airplanes, larger metro regions, or even super-gigantic slums. I don’t go along with this bundle of bull, except for the slums, which I think will be short-lived, contrary to the vision of popular author Mike Davis’s Planet of Slums. Of course, trends won’t proceed with the same timing everywhere in the world. But I think the general theme going forward, certainly in the U.S., will be the comprehensive contraction of just about everything. "
continued:
Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 4:56 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"I see our cities getting smaller and denser, with fewer people. Skyscrapers will be obsolete, travel greatly reduced, and the rural edge more distinct. The energy inputs to our economies will decrease a lot, and probably in ways that prove destabilizing. The first manifestations of climate change will be food shortages, one of the reasons I think super slum cities will be short-lived. The growth of urban megaslums in the past one hundred years has been predicated on turning oil into food, and the failure of that equation is aggravating weather-related crop failures around the world. Food shortages will quickly bend the arc of world population growth downward from the poorer margins and inward to the “developed” center—with stark implications for politics and even civil order. The crisis of money is already hampering the operation of cities and will soon critically impede the repair of water systems, paved streets, electric service, and other vital infrastructure."
continued:
Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 4:59 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"We are heading into a major reset of daily life, a phase of history I call The Long Emergency. Tomorrow will be a lot more like a distant yesteryear in terms of reduced comforts, commerce, and the scale of things."
From:
Back to the Future
A road map for tomorrow's cities
by James Howard Kunstler
Read the rest at:
orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/6336
From: Dominican Republic
hey josean my frind wheres ohhvictoria now hahahah lol.the metro.what a joke.
Written by: RoyStone, 22 Sep 2012 8:02 PM
From: Australia
Interesting predictions, Josean
The thing about all these experts on the future, is they always get it wrong, sometimes spectacularly. Global warming, (assuming that it is happening) and indeed increased CO2 levels, overall increases rainfall and increases vegetative growth, hence food productivity. As yet there is no sign of population growth slowing down, except perhaps in the developed world, opposite to your futurologist's prediction. As for the money supply running out, money comes from debt not productivity. (Get Dready to explain - I don't understand it, but it's true). The banks just print more of it, mostly not even on paper.
Written by: RoyStone, 22 Sep 2012 8:06 PM
From: Australia
My non=expert opinion is that the whole world economic bubble will eventually burst, spurred on and taken advantage of by the spread and an increasing power of Islam. Hence the next Dark Ages and perhas even the extinction of Homo sapiens.
Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 9:42 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
jojosnogood,
Ms.Vickey apparently was an election season employee of the PLD!
Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 9:50 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Roy ,"They always get it wrong" that's a pretty broad brush condemnation and seems to suggest you are totally right!
Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 10:12 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Roy you can stop building your Bunker!
"No, Muslims are not taking over the world"
The global Muslim population is projected to grow at a slower pace than it did during the previous two decades
A recent study from the Pew Research Centre on religion and public life demonstrates that neither the UK nor Europe are in danger of a Muslim takeover, whatever the American right may believe. The Future of the Global Muslim Population: Projections for 2010-2030 is a major and comprehensive study that focuses on the Muslim populations in North America, Europe, Africa and the Asia-Pacific and provides a revealing look into the future of the Muslim population worldwide and the future makeup of the world.
continued:
Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 10:13 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
According to the report, the global Muslim population is expected to increase by about 35% over the next two decades, rising from a population of 1.6 billion in 2010 to 2.2 billion in 2030. The study says that the global Muslim population is expected to grow at a faster rate than the non-Muslim population, but that the Muslim population is projected to grow at a slower pace than it did during the previous two decades.
The study makes several projections for the UK. According to the study, more than a quarter of all new immigrants to the UK in 2010 are estimated to be Muslim. These groups largely migrate from former colonial states, specifically Pakistan, Bangladesh and India. According to the study, the UK had a net inflow of roughly 64,000 Muslim immigrants in the past year and will continue to serve as a destination for Muslims. In fact, the study says that the UK is expected to have the largest increase in the number of Muslims in Europe in the next 20 years.
continued:
Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 10:15 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
The number of Muslims in the UK is projected to almost double from 2.9 million in 2010 to 5.6 million in 2030. By 2030, Muslims are expected to make up 8.2% of the UK's population, up from 4.6% in 2010.
Across Europe, Muslims make up a sizeable population and will continue to do so. According to the study, Europe's Muslim population is expected to grow from 44.1 million in 2010 to 58.2 million in 2030. Western and northern Europe, where Muslims are expected to approach double-digit percentages, will see the greatest increases.
In 2030, Muslims are projected to make up more than 10% of the total population in 10 European countries: Kosovo (93.5%), Albania (83.2%), Bosnia-Herzegovina (42.7%), the Republic of Macedonia (40.3%), Montenegro (21.5%), Bulgaria (15.7%), Russia (14.4%), Georgia (11.5%), France (10.3%) and Belgium (10.2%). In Austria, Muslims are projected to reach 9.3% of the population by 2030, an increase from the 5.7% today.
continued:
Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 10:17 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
In France, the population is expected to rise from 7.5% currently to 10.3%. The Muslim population in Sweden is expected to nearly double over the same time span.
According to the projections and if current trends continue, 79 countries will have a million or more Muslim inhabitants in 2030, an increase from the 72 countries today. More than half of the world's Muslims will continue to live in the Asia-Pacific region, and about 20% will live in the Middle East and North Africa. Pakistan will surpass Indonesia as the country with the single largest Muslim population.
The Pew findings demonstrate that fear of a Muslim takeover was largely the product of hysteria. France is not headed toward becoming an "Islamic republic" by 2048, as has been claimed, and Germany is not on its way to becoming a "Muslim state" by 2050.
continued:
Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 10:18 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
It is strange that these Pew findings and projections are less likely to circulate as widely or quickly as statistics about predictions of a Muslim takeover. Commentators seem more focused on ringing false alarm bells than on presenting facts. The reality is that there is no takeover, but that there is a danger of intolerance that threatens the very fabric of British and European society We are not witnessing a clash of civilisations, but a clash of cultures fostered by those who portray Islam as a monolith and see religious and cultural diversity solely as a threat rather than as a potential source of strength and enrichment. The liberal democratic heritage and fabric of our societies must be safeguarded and fearmongering, religious and racial discrimination rejected and marginalised in a future based on facts not fiction.
guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2011/feb/11/islam-population
Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 10:22 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Roy it is the Muslims who are in their current Dark Age and they will eventually come out of it too like the "civilized" Europeans did!
That's what the Arab Spring is all about!
Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 10:39 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Now on to Global Warming Roy,
"Global warming, (assuming that it is happening) and indeed increased CO2 levels, overall increases rainfall and increases vegetative growth, hence food productivity."
No not necessarily because the climate shifts may not be for the current productive regions and those that experience the change may not be the most suitable for agricultural production. Climate is very important in agriculture but it’s not the only factor.
It should also be noted that global warming and cooling is a NORMAL cycle in our planet, hence several ice ages are evident in the geological record the most recent being “The Ice Age” which was a 1,000,000 years ago a lasted for 10,000 years. Even more recent we had the Little Ice Age between the 17th century and the late 19th century.
continued:
Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 10:48 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
So climate change is nothing new or invented by vast left wing conspiracy, what is of concern is how much are we affecting or accelerating the process which is sure to come normally as it has cycled from the begin of geological time.
But Roy don't take my “pre-GED” level opinion lets here form someone who is in the hire echelons of corporate America and certainly has mucho dinero at stake regarding this topic:
The Chairman of Exxon Mobil, Rex W. Tillerson
Rex W. Tillerson is Exxon Mobil's chairman and chief executive. While his predecessor, Lee R. Raymond, was better known for his dismissive attitude toward public opinion, Mr. Tillerson has tried to address the challenge the industry faces in dealing with the global energy market.
Since taking over as Exxon's chairman in 2006 from Mr. Raymond, who pooh-poohed fears of global warming and branded environmental activists ''extremists,'' Mr. Tillerson has tried to soften Exxon's public stance on climate change.
continued
Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 10:51 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
''We recognize that climate change is a serious issue,'' Mr. Tillerson said in a 2006 interview, pointing to a company report that acknowledged the link between the consumption of fossil fuels and rising global temperatures. ''We recognize that greenhouse gas emissions are one of the factors affecting climate change.''
On July 14, 2009, Exxon announced an investment of $600 million in producing liquid transportation fuels from algae -- organisms in water that range from pond scum to seaweed. The biofuel effort involves a partnership with Synthetic Genomics, a biotechnology company founded by J. Craig Venter.
The agreement could plug a major gap in the strategy of Exxon, the world's largest and richest publicly traded oil company, which has been criticized by environmental groups for dismissing concerns about global warming in the past and its reluctance to develop renewable fuels.
Rread the rest at:
nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/t/rex_w_tillerson/index.h
Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2012 11:00 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
So you see Roy our concern with Climate Change is well grouned in reality based on the science of past geological history and the current science of the effects on the climate by use of hydrocarbons, than with an Islamic Empire TAKING OVER THE WORLD!
Written by: Spimx, 23 Sep 2012 5:37 AM
From: Canada
Waw I see some ignorant comments from some think themselves more knowledgable than others..
Hey josean, outstanding STFU... Nice
Written by: RoyStone, 23 Sep 2012 6:51 AM
From: Australia
Josean,
The data you have presented does not support your conclusions - quite the opposite.
Regardless, independent of AGM arguments, there are good economic, strategic and health reasons to move away from the use of fossil fuels, and the only viable, safe, non-CO2 producing, cheep and sizable source of energy is uranium fuel rods made in Australia, and returned to Australia for storage.
Written by: josean, 23 Sep 2012 8:07 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"The data you present does not support your conclusions"
How so Roy?
Written by: RoyStone, 23 Sep 2012 8:58 AM
From: Australia
The percentage of Muslims in almost every country around the world is still increasing. It might not be exponential however they do not need to be in the majority to gain a foothold and have already begun to impose their will through intimidation.
The American embassy in Australia has warned Americans in Sydney and Melbourne to hide the fact they are Americans to avoid being attacked by Muslims.
The Pakistani government Minister for Railways has offered $100,000 for the death of the Christian maker of the video insulting Mohammed. This is the government that receives billions in aid from the USA.
Written by: josean, 23 Sep 2012 9:13 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Roy these events you cite are evidence of the desperation on the part of the mullhas who are trying to hold on to the 16th century. The tide of history is not in their favor, so you can sleep peacefully tonight.
Written by: RoyStone, 23 Sep 2012 9:57 AM
From: Australia
Josean,
The tide IS in their favor. They have the West cringing in fear, afraid to say or do anything that might offend them. World leaders are saying what they know is not true - that Islam is a peaceful, tolerant religion and does not condone violence. The fact is, the Koran demands it.
Written by: josean, 23 Sep 2012 10:04 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Roy as you lay your weary frightened Muslim phobic mind to rest tonight, this might help you avoid having to take the Ambient pill.
"Taking these figures into account, a rough calculation suggests that in the last five years, your chances of being killed by a terrorist are about one in 20 million.
"This compares annual risk of dying in a car accident of 1 in 19,000; drowning in a bathtub at 1 in 800,000; dying in a building fire at 1 in 99,000; or being struck by lightning at 1 in 5,500,000. In other words,........ in the last five years you were four times more likely to be struck by lightning than killed by a terrorist."
So as long as you stay indoors during a Thunder Storm you will probably be OK!
Read the rest at:
"How Scared of Terrorism Should You Be?"
"Not very. You are four times more likely to be killed by a lightning bolt than by a terror attack."
reason.com/archives/2011/09/06/how-scared-of-terrorism-should
Written by: josean, 23 Sep 2012 10:12 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Roy,
As FDR said in his first inaugural address in 1933 “Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself"!
Written by: RoyStone, 23 Sep 2012 10:14 AM
From: Australia
Wrong
Deaths from terrorist attacks
2007 13,000
2008 9,000
2009 8,700
media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/original-size/20110917_WOC570.gif
Written by: RoyStone, 23 Sep 2012 10:19 AM
From: Australia
Worldwide lightning 24,000 deaths er year
Written by: RoyStone, 23 Sep 2012 10:21 AM
From: Australia
However you need to be stupid to be struck by lightning. There is no such requirement in a terror attack. However both are caused by "God".
Written by: josean, 23 Sep 2012 10:31 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Roy,
According to the graph you linked, which I presumed you used to extrapolate these numbers you left out 2011 where the number drops to about 7,500 worldwide.
So your fears should be diminishing in world with a population that reached 7 billion on October 31, 2011.
Population increases and terrorists caused death are declining!
Those God Dam Facts are so Stubborn!
Again the“Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself"!
Written by: josean, 23 Sep 2012 10:37 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
PS
The article I posted was for the US "The Great Satan" as per the 16th century mullahs and the country which the try to target and hate the most.
Written by: ingle23 , 23 Sep 2012 10:37 AM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
Taking these figures into account, a rough calculation suggests that in the last five years, your chances of being killed by a terrorist are about one in 20 million. (end of quote).
Josean,
This analogy could be truth if you DO NOT fall into any of these categories:
If you are not Jewish.
Do not live in the Middle East.
If you are not American/deployed “down range”(Combat Zone).
The core fundamental value of Islam is to kill the “Infidels”, or anybody who supports them (infidels/Christians). Ironically, here in the US we are living among these enemies. They can live freely in any major city of the US; attend our schools, run their own businesses (convenient stores/gas stations, taxi cabs). Personally, if I was”king” for a day,these ENEMIES would be out of this country on the “first thing smoking” (slang for the first thing living).?
Written by: riosm, 23 Sep 2012 10:54 AM
From: United States
I've been blocked so many times on this issue....
Written by: josean, 23 Sep 2012 11:15 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"If you are not Jewish.
Do not live in the Middle East.
If you are not American/deployed “down range”(Combat Zone)."
ingle23,
I don't know if Roy is Jewish but I believe the other two apply to him.
Written by: ingle23 , 23 Sep 2012 11:46 AM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
Do not get me wrong, I can embrace anybody regardless of their national origin however, These folks want to destroy the US and Israel. ( there are a very few exceptions).
Written by: josean, 23 Sep 2012 11:52 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"These folks"
That seems a little too broad!
How about Some of these "extremists!"
Written by: ingle23 , 23 Sep 2012 11:58 AM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
How about Some of these "extremists!"
I can take the correction....
Written by: riosm, 23 Sep 2012 12:03 PM
From: United States
Josean
Just name a few.
Written by: josean, 23 Sep 2012 12:09 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
To you anything to left of Attila the Hun is extremism!
Written by: airgordo, 23 Sep 2012 1:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: Arcangel96
From: Dominican Republic
airgordo,
I just want to put this in perspective. The current working Metro line is generating approximatelly 16.5 million dollars in fares, on a 14.5 km. stretch, with the current trend of increase ridership year after year. In other words, approximatelly one hundred thousand workers commuting from "Villa Mella" to "La Feria" daily, that used to be pack like cattle into run down buses and cars, without any guarantees that they would arrive to their destination on time, or with a single fare. It has been proven that, in large metropolis around the world, that this is the way to go to address the issue of mass transportation system. It is the logical thing to do! We are already a city with 3.7 million residents, that will grow more dense as we start building ever more higher buildings.
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-WHERE are you getting those figures on passenger fares
-How come there STILL is the same problem on the traffic of that area?
From: Dominican Republic
Airgordo,
The figure comes from the article itself. RD$650 million pesos at the current exchange are approximatelly $16.5 million dollars. In concrete, what do you mean when you say "...STILL is the same problem on the traffic of that area?" If you are refering to the level of commuters along the Metro route, well.....it cannot be the same than the one before its construction, because the Metro is generating $16.5 million dollars in fares.
From: United States, NJ
arcangel96;
Ref.to Your article on Subway 22 Sep 12 @12;19 am
If you read my articles refers to subway in general, not to a particular station A/G or U/G.Stands to reason when I mentioned tunnel it is understood it was U/G (under ground).I don't recall an A/G
above ground tunnel celling fans.The last place to install ceilling fans would be in a Station,to remove smoke, since passangers could have an immediate exit at the Station to the street.
I forgot to mention as part of the emergency evacuation system; exits to the streets level in case of fire, passangers's (fire escape) to street, via (cat-walks) and adjacent MH(man-hole) out to the street level. Mandatory by the International Fire Codes.
From: Dominican Republic
MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier,
Alrighty....So when you wrote that
"Who ever took those pictures, they are nice but, would it stand the following:
I didn't see any 'tunnel exaust ceilling fans' in place to get rid of the smoke in case of fire.This is very important and crucial."
You were referring to pictures other than the one in the article...correct?
From: United States, NJ
correct:
I was refering to the article written by me to Atabay in Santo Domingo Subway #876,#877 page36
From: Dominican Republic
Ah!!! ...yeap! I'm familiar with most pictures from "orad's" , "TomCruz's" and company from theSkyscraperCity forums. They are outstanding. Now, in that forum, one of the members,TomCruz, raised some questions concerning some structures that look to him like chimneys ( Metro De Santo Domingo | Linea 2 | Hilo Oficial ( Parte III ) post #111). He found out, from one of the site supervisors, that these were emergency exits.
Written by: riosm, 24 Sep 2012 5:46 PM
From: United States
Josean
Next in your eyes I'll be right wing extremist racist kinda-a-guy drinking tea con leche.
Written by: RoyStone, 24 Sep 2012 6:35 PM
From: Australia
Islamic suicide bombers are not extremists.
The fact that most Muslims are not suicide bombers does not deny the reality that world domination by any means is a core objective of Islam. Most Americans are not carrying a machine-gun in Afghanistan. In fact most in the military don't carry guns either, they are in support roles like administration and logistics. Does that mean those who are actually at the front are extremists and have nothing to do with American foreign policy?
Get real!
Written by: airgordo, 28 Sep 2012 8:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: Arcangel96, 23 Sep 2012 4:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Airgordo,
The figure comes from the article itself. RD$650 million pesos at the current exchange are approximatelly $16.5 million dollars. In concrete, what do you mean when you say "...STILL is the same problem on the traffic of that area?" If you are refering to the level of commuters along the Metro route, well.....it cannot be the same than the one before its construction, because the Metro is generating $16.5 million dollars in fares.
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I mean that i have family on Sabana Perdida, where i have to take the Maximo Gomez and even drive below this stupid thing YET i have not seen ANY improvement on the amount of traffic jams , that was sold to the people as the SOLUTION for that, YET is the same crap or even worst! now that has a explanation that Nuria Piera already proved on a Journalistic Story, THE SO CALLED METRO USERS don't exist! she, that explains why i still have the same trafic Jams!
From: Dominican Republic
Airgordo,
One metro line is not going to solve the current chaos in the whole city of Santo Domingo. It is just a start. Now, to measure the efficiency and/or utility of the of the current line based on the increase/decrease of the number and duration of traffic jams along its route, might not be the best way to measure it. The cause of traffic jams at rush hours are various. From non-working/non-existing lights to people that don't obey common traffic rules to etc...etc. I think a better measurement would be, to find out the impact of the line on people that were previous community along the current route of the Metro. For example, do people that commuted along the Metro line route before its construction, are they still using "taxis", "motoconcho", "guaguas", private vehicle or "carro publico"? why? how many?
Written by: riosm, 29 Sep 2012 12:03 PM
From: United States
All should check out "the third Jihad".
Written by: airgordo, 29 Sep 2012 2:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: Arcangel96, 29 Sep 2012 2:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic
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YOU wrote this:
"In other words, approximatelly one hundred thousand workers commuting from "Villa Mella" to "La Feria" daily, that used to be pack like cattle into run down buses and cars, without any guarantees that they would arrive to their destination on time, or with a single fare"
I though my post was on ENGLISH since it obviously does not say that a single line will solve anything, same as your previous post where you talk AND COUNT the reduction of THOUSANDS as a FACT, WHICH is NOT, if there was Thousands out of the street because of this montruosity, THERE WOULD NOT BE the situation still IS present on that area...have you tried to get a guagua there??? they should be EMPTY shouldn't them?
From: Dominican Republic
Airgordo,
Hummm....I don't think you can make the correlation that because we still have traffic jams and full public vehicles, along the Metro route, that the Metro is empty; or vice-versa, that if the Metro is full, then "los carros publicos" should be riding around empty. They are not directly proportional. What you can assume is that, because the Metro is collecting 'X' number of fares per day, that without its service, these fares would be collected by other services and vice-versa.
Written by: airgordo, 30 Sep 2012 5:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The Figures of People actually Riding this stupid Metro are THEORICAL, i already said on one post that Nuria Piera has an investigation on which is actually shown how Opret employees manually turn the counters on the stations to INFLATE the figures, that explains perfectly why even with what is supposed to be taking thousands of people from the street, they still remain.
Written by: josean, 30 Sep 2012 7:28 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Lie-onel and his USELESS METRO are the TWO BIGGEST most EXPENSIVE FAILURES in Dominican Histroy!
From: United States
airgordo, can you give me a link to that article? if not, can you fill me in a little better about the article. thank you.
From: Dominican Republic
Airgordo,
Mrs. Piera report might have been true in 2009. I have only seen bits and pieces of it, but not enough to make an informed opinion. However, today the "Sindicatos de Choferes" sing a different song than Mrs. Piera. The syndicates are afraid that they will be run out of business if the expansion of the Metro services continue. Check these headlines:
"Choferes temerosos por desaparición de sus rutas en zonas del Metro" -- Hoy.com 11 Abril 2012, 10:21 AM
Written by: airgordo, 2 Oct 2012 9:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic
To Both, THIS is the LINK
hxxp://xxx.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Phv79cMYk
Written by: RoyStone, 2 Oct 2012 11:15 PM
From: Australia
Thanks, riosm,
I checked out "The Third Jihad" - scary stuff, but Dominicans don't care - it will not hit this backwater for at least another 50 sleeps - too far into the future to worry about. The Dominican economy will collapse totally by the time the USA becomes an Islamic state, and Shara Law may even be an improvement over the lawlessness here that will become much worse than it is now.
From: Dominican Republic
Airgordo,
Thanks for the link, although I must say that its 10.38min were the worst piece of Investigative journalism I ever seen in my whole life! Again, I honestly thank you for the link, but watching this whole thing was painful.
In which way is a geologist an expert in matters of Metro operation or urban planning? What about a former head of the Dominican Rep. Central Bank? Dramatizations of hidden cameras shots makes the whole thing laughable, specially when she states that after some resistance opposition to filming inside the station, she eventually was cleared to film. Honestly, no interviews with passengers on-board the train, or the head of OPRET, maybe a mole, something! or anything that could give this report some kind of credibility.
From: United States, NJ
Arcangel96;
I would say a Geologist and a Metro builder goes together as well as UIrban Planning.
Refer to the Athens,Greece Metro building 1996-2004.
Written by: airgordo, 4 Oct 2012 10:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: Arcangel96
From: Dominican Republic
Airgordo,
In which way is a geologist an expert in matters of Metro operation or urban planning? What about a former head of the Dominican Rep. Central Bank? Dramatizations of hidden cameras shots makes the whole thing laughable, specially when she states that after some resistance opposition to filming inside the station, she eventually was cleared to film. Honestly, no interviews with passengers on-board the train, or the head of OPRET, maybe a mole, something! or anything that could give this report some kind of credibility.
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What? A GEOLOGIST? so is the geology thge ONLY scope of expertise of this guy.... you DO get that when you go UNDERCOVER with a hidden camera is because you want to have EVIDENCE of the REAL REALITY , right? you DO know that EACH wagon of this stupidity with wheels HAS A SECURITY, therefore INTERVIEWS are BEYOND the scope, i am guessing you know ALL that
From: Dominican Republic
Airgordo,
Again, Mrs. Piera initially introduces Mr. Osiris de Leon as a "famous" personality. Then along the report, you see the title of Mr. De Leon, a geologist. Is Mr. De Leon a subject area expert in anything other than geology? Well....we don't know and Mrs. Piera didn't say. Or is simply that being "famous" is good enough to bring credibility to Mrs. Piera's report.
Now, about the camera....she didn't need to do any "secret squirrel" undercover stuff in order to obtain the video for her report. According to her, she was actually clear to do so. She said so in video. So why the theatrics? Since the Metro inauguration people have been taking better videos with smart phones than the one from the report.
Interviews? Why she didn't secure an interview with the heads of OPRET and confront them with her evidence. How about interviewing the heads of the different public transportation unions to ascertain if they were being impacted? Riders, one outside?
Written by: airgordo, 6 Oct 2012 9:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic
What part of THIS, you did not understand:
"you DO get that when you go UNDERCOVER with a hidden camera is because you want to have EVIDENCE of the REAL REALITY , right?"
From: Dominican Republic
Airgordo,
Alrighty...I understand the concept, rational and/or need of some investigations to use undercover cameras when in the pursue of evidence. However, I think that in the case on this report, the few seconds labeled with the tag "undercover camera" was all done for dramatic and sensationalistic effect and nothing else.
In the video, Mrs. Piera states that she was clear to use her "professional" cameras after some initial resistance by the security personnel of the Metro. In other words, Mrs. Piera had permission to film whatever type of evidence she wanted. She was not undercover, she is a well known personality in DR.
Moreover, showing up with a professional video crew to the station is kind of the opposite to undercover camera work....specially when every one can shoot video on the Metro.
Written by: josean, 7 Oct 2012 2:28 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Metro 2008-2012
R.I.P
From: Dominican Republic
hoy.com.do/el-pais/2012/10/13/450493/Metro-no-da-abasto-en-horas-pico-usuarios-abarrotan-las-estaciones
Written by: josean, 15 Oct 2012 1:28 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
“At this stop, passengers have to wait on long lines in the hours of the morning to buy or reload their payment card to board the train which, according to the information provided by the Office for the reorganization of transport (Opret), is carrying 100,000 people daily.”
It’s still only 100,000 far off the 250,000 promised; in rush hour a Bottle Neck due to Poor planning not unlike the traffic Jams exacerbated by the elevated Highways and Tunnel at were built to alleviate them!
“Does not respond”
“For two days, it was not possible to locate the Opret, engineer Leonel Carrasco, Assistant Director so he could inform us whether there was any plan to avoid the situation described. This officer did not answer more than ten calls to his cell phone.”
PLD “efficiency” and customer service at its best!
From: Dominican Republic
Josean,
Where did you read it was 250K? I read that the initial estimates were 200K, for Line 1 of Metro Santo Domingo, but then revised to 175K. But this is the first time I hear about 250K
Written by: josean, 15 Oct 2012 3:47 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
“Economic Meeting”
“They point out that construction Metro was not the best choice”
"Jhael Isa, especializado en transporte, dijo que una línea del Metro está preparada para mover diariamente 250,000 pasajeros, mientras la que va desde Villa Mella al Centro de los Héroes apenas llega los 95,000."
"Jhael Isa, specialized in transport, said that a line of the Metro is prepared to move 250,000 passengers daily while the one running from Villa Mella to the center of the Heroes barely reaches the 95,000."
"Encuentro Económico"
"Señalan que construcción Metro no era mejor opción"
hoy.com.do/mobile/article.aspx?id=388628
From: Dominican Republic
Thanks
Written by: josean, 15 Oct 2012 4:03 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
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Come Ron Evane let use hear your obnoxious insulting juvenile defense of this Financial Albatross.
The Faro a Colon on Wheels!
Danilo es Presidente, Leonel lo sera!!!
8-)
JHCL2016
Dr. Dread we have been vindicated!
IS THERE A SURPRISE HERE????
"Among the deficiencies Carrasco cited leaks in several stations and problems with the air conditioning system in some of the cars."
These are hardly reasons to panic and proclaim "operations of the metro are about to collapse".
Water leaks are typical of every subterranean tunnel. Mines are plague with this problem when water seeps right through rock and soil, especially when there're a heavy rains. Solution?.sump pumps. As any other infrastructural undertaking __sea and airports, highways, bridges, buildings, etc-- it must be constantly maintained or it deteriorates.... Same with our bodies, If not properly fed, exercised, and mentally stimulated, it will die.
I wouldn't panic about the lack of air conditioning "in some cars".
Josean, You're surely filled with joy to spit out the "I told you so" BS that you're typical of vomiting.
Well, pinhead, Bad news for you. The 1st line won't "collapse", and the second line will be completed. Sorry to ruin your day!..er, no I'm not!
Se jodio la cosa, caballero!
MJEV.
The Washington area Metro, has had many a problem with their cars,( incidentally, they're also built by Alstom). Several stations in downtown have been plague for years with leaks and crumbling ceilings. The escalators, in particular, have been a constant major source of expense and headaches. To date, these escalators have not been permanently fixed in spite of switching to other manufacturers.
The general consensus is that the lines are too deep underground and put an excessive load on them, especially during rush hour. The fares have been periodically raised just to pay for this engineering faux pas...Perhaps we should blame the Mayor of the city and President of the US, when this Metro was planned and built, eh?
and the point to 'Leaking water" and "some cars have no a.c" is no big deal and goes hand in hand with the monkey thing...(although its soon for that, but im no engineer)
however if you go to the n.y. subway i think you will freak by the water leaking in various tunnes and the end where they do the car switch. I saw some tunnels in toronto as well but not as bad as n.y.c.
all in all could be exaggeration of the problems in order to dip their greedy hands into the relief fund
The beginning of the discovery of the true legacy of King Leonel.
the pessimists in this forum are having a field day. Must be gloating and reveling in their "predictions" coming true!
Well' I'm a die-hard optimist, We all go trough problems and disappointments in life. I happen to think that they are "necessary losses". We learn from them and makes us stronger beings.
Those that see only gloom and doom, never emerge from their rut and never learn to be better humans. I'm so glad I'm not you!!
I'm free to think good thoughts, you're enslaved by your own mental prison! Tragic.!
Oh.. and can I buy the train cars.. they make great country cabins
The beginning of the discovery of the true legacy of King Leonel. == No you must mean Queenie Fernandie.
Well, it's time to go to work. I'll be taking a bus, then the "useless" Metro to get there. It'll save me time money and the headaches of having to deal with traffic. ..On the way back, I'll stop off at my favorite pub and quaff a few while chatting with the regulars.
I'm happy not to risk driving while intoxicated, which I plan to do. ...hic.
Written by: RonEvane, 20 Sep 2012 1:03 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
the pessimists in this forum are having a field day. Must be gloating and reveling in their "predictions" coming true!
Well' I'm a die-hard optimist, We all go trough problems and disappointments in life. I happen to think that they are "necessary losses". We learn from them and makes us stronger beings.
Those that see only gloom and doom, never emerge from their rut and never learn to be better humans. I'm so glad I'm not you!!
I'm free to think good thoughts, you're enslaved by your own mental prison! Tragic.!
The above equals "Psychobabble Mumbo Jumbo" made to distort or defocus from the real issue.
That this was an ill-conceived idea, poorly planned, poorly executed and with poor financial support.
Some people just have trouble admitting when they are wrong, that’s a sign of not having reached maturity/adulthood i.e. being a Man or Woman!
If Danilo has to cut costs he should start with the damn salaries of these oficials.
Written by: dreadlocks, 20 Sep 2012 12:29 PM
From: United States
thank you BASTA. i hope people do not think that i am gloating. there are hundreds of thousands of children, OUR FUTURE, who could have been getting an opportunity for an education if this guy had not decided to make this monument to himself. that is not something to celebrate about.
Dr. Dread
The issue about gloating is the projection from the psychobabblers who would be doing that if the issue was a 180 degrees in the other direction.
I am not gloating on bit. I am MAD AS HELL that over 1,000,000,000 US dollars was sent down this financial abyss along with the hopes and aspirations for better opportunities for generations of uneducated or under educated Dominican children.
There should be an international inquiry for the violation of the civil rights of the Dominican children; especially when our own constitution has been violated for 14 years with regard to the mandate for 4% towards EDUCATION.
I say international because the PLD dictatorship controls the three branches of government and obviously they would not initiate an objective inquiry to let the chips fall where they may!
"this Metro will eventually be a very solid support for low income people in Santa Domingo"
When about 3012?
One only has to look at current condition of the Mercedes-Benz buses that are now being used to see what the Metro will look like in the not too distant future.
"Is this because Dominicans are so weak and limp?"
No because our System is Corrupt to the Core!
Written by: juanb, 20 Sep 2012 2:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic
One only has to look at current condition of the Mercedes-Benz buses that are now being used to see what the Metro will look like in the not too distant future.
and those are just buses.. trains are a heck of a lot harder to maintain.
For those who consistenly badgered Josean about the Metro “oooopppssss”!!!!!! The above statement is coming from the ones responsible for the damn, useless thing.
these faults are standards of any subway system. I recall being, not too long ago, in a nyc subway car that had no air too. It happens people.
Hey CarlosFranco I guess Deputy Director Leonel Carrasco must be a Haitian for telling the truth!
It is a matter of funding/cost to maintain the system.
Boy Saint Danilo sounds like josean!
“Wikileaks: Danilo criticized Leonel for taking out loans for construction”
“The then former Minister of the Presidency Vicente Bengoa criticized for being servile and described as "excessive" the defense of the Dominican currency”
September 20,2012
SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic-The crisis President Danilo Medina has inherited from his predecessor Leonel Fernandez was never a secret to him, who criticized the increase in debt to finance works in the interest of the then President Fernandez in August 2008.
In addition, Medina admitted in August 2008, before an officer of the political section of the Embassy of United States in Santo Domingo, that there were officials in the Dominican Government receiving money from the drug traffickers.
continued:
Thus narrated in a confidential cable from the diplomatic legation of the United States, which is part of the documents disclosed by Wikileaks. The cable was published by Acento.com.do and released by Noticisas SIN of Antenna Latin, in August 2011, and exposes a conversation of Medina with the American officer during the tenure of Ambassador Robert Fannin.
At the meeting, Danilo Medina criticized that in his speech of inauguration for Government 2008-2012, President Fernandez announced a program of infrastructure projects, which would be financed with a loan from abroad.
"Medina argued that the Government simply borrows more to finance the projects of the President (Fernandez)", narrates the cable.
“He also criticized what he considered excessive defense of the peso, which caused the interest rates to increase, criticizing the Minister of finance, (Vicente) Bengoa, who he criticized for being servile", details the confidential report.
continued:
Corruption and officials linked to drug trafficking
In the cable that the diplomat sent to Washington on 25 August 2008, he also reported that Danilo Medina had recognized that the problem of corruption was "serious" in Dominican political parties.
Medina told the diplomat of the USA that where government officials that enriched themselves with the money from the drug traffickers, because they did not do due diligence investigating the origin of the money they received or "proactively" approached the drug traffickers to get money from them.
Read the rest at:
acento.com.do/index.php/news/21698/56/Wikileaks-Danilo-critico-a-Leonel-por-tomar-prestamos-para-las-construcciones.html
Now two questions for Saint Danilo:
1. Weren’t you SERVILE during 2004 to 2008 by not speaking up against the USELESS METRO that is about to collapse?
2. And how do we know that some of those officials that were allegedly taking money from Drug Traffickers according to you are not in your current administration since basically you reappointed the overwhelming majority of Lie-onel’s crooks?
??????
All works on this Financial Albatross should be Stopped Immediately!
A feasibility study by disinterested experts should be done, as well as a financial audit to determine if its cost effective to continue and if the current structural problems are due to a lack of maintenance, poor quality in the original construction, quality of materials used and the quality of equipment purchased thus far etc. And have the monies spent so far ben done so legitimately or pissed in the wind of corruption.
When you’re in hole, Pardon the Pun, you need to stop digging or in this case stop for a while until you can assure quality of construction and the benefits of ROI!
what a boondoggle. Text book IMF/World Banl stuff: read CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HITMAN.
This guy paid double for the metros than what the Chinese paid for the same trains!
It's a god damn F... SHAME that while we are arguing here about are economics problem, this rat is in Europe living the good life. Wish he gets assassinated.
Arcangel96,
How do you know that, did you buy a crystal ball at a garage sale recently to predict the future!
Not at all, he went to the local Haitian brujo.
Josean: It is true that every dog has his day: today is your day. It confirms your hatred and your desire to see us fail. it's a day of jubilation for you and I say enjoy it. The truth is that this is just a problem of maintenance, which we know the DR is poor at. we built but fail to maintain. But she will rise again to your great disappointment and while DR may have built a project she wasn't ready for, your country builds NOTHING.
So the Groucho line (#2) will be funded and the Leo line (#1) won't? That may be a good sign that the Leo era is at an end, not just on hold.
My friend it will be there.... the genie is out of the bottle.
Arcangel96,== 2--s
Veronica you have said it best "This Project Failed Before It Ever Started!"
But remember the Uber nationalist dominicans will call you Haitian because you dare speak the truth!
You are neither Haitian, nor an Ape.
**** As of today, you are officially DT's top poster. ****
Please, keep on "Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia".
________
Congrats!
Written by: williom, 20 Sep 2012 7:44 PM
From: United States
Dedicated josean-
You are neither Haitian, nor an Ape.
**** As of today, you are officially DT's top poster. ****
Please, keep on "Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia".
________
Congrats!
.
you might not like his style, but you have to give him his due
Josie AKA BASTA the Dope Head
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 2:04 PMFrom: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD MafiaWritten by: dreadlocks, 20 Sep 2012 12:29 PMFrom: United Statesthank you BASTA. i hope people do not think that i am gloating. there are hundreds of thousands of children, OUR FUTURE, who could have been getting an opportunity for an education if this guy had not decided to make this monument to himself. that is not something to celebrate about.Dr. DreadThe issue about gloating is the projection from the psychobabblers who would be doing that if the issue was 180%.I am not gloating on bit I am MAD AS HELL that over 1,000,000,000 US dollars was sent down this financial abyss along with the hopes and aspirations for better opportunities for generations of uneducated or under educated Dominican children.There should be an international inquiry for the violation of the civil rights of the Dominican children; especially whe
williom and Dr. Dread thank you for the undeserved accolades!
However, it has never been about quantity for me but rather quality and in that respect, in my book, Dr. Dread will always be the top poster at DT!
But lately, when it comes to josean, I can only find one word: DEDICATION.
Many have quit the madness. You both have faced the madness. And the madness won't stop.
___________________
Congrats to both of you.
Just thoughts
However I'd still op for using the tunnels for an efficient rapid urban transit system.
It was no secret that " the Central Bank was manipulating the exchange rate of the Dominican peso". However I did criticize you for saying the monetary transactions of the world far outweigh all the goods, services, resources and assets changing hands (or econo-speak words to that effect). As it turns out, you were right. (yes, an apology). The potential, or even inevitable, consequences are very, very scary. The entire system could collapse, and coupled with the dominance of Islam, lead us in to the next Dark Ages. Think about it (I'd rather not).
Big Risk: $1.2 Quadrillion Derivatives Market Dwarfs World GDP
Category: Dominoe #3 - Fallen Derivatives
One of the biggest risks to the world's financial health is the $1.2 quadrillion derivatives market. It's complex, it's unregulated, and it ought to be of concern to world leaders that its notional value is 20 times the size of the world economy. But traders rule the roost -- and as much as risk managers and regulators might want to limit that risk, they lack the power or knowledge to do so.
Roy,
The issues is not whether or not the METRO is efficient its that its not a priority and the Dominican government is totally inefficient at maintaining it and running it!
They never planned for the need of feeder routes and 4 years after the put it into operation they still have not been organized.
Simply they bit off more than they could chew and now they are beginning to vomit!
Josean,
As soon as I saw this headline, I knew you'd be the first on queue. LOL.... go get 'em tiger. LOL
In today's edition of the Listin Diario, there's a report on water leaks on several stations, and nothing about cars without air conditioning. Leaks are hardly cause for DT's declaration for an "imminent collapse" of the system. This is nothing but a sensationalized report with no credibility.
As Medina ascertains the budgetary situation in our nation, the money due for regular maintenance is delayed and OPRET sub-director Carrasco, complains about funds not being allocated as of yet.
I certainly dismiss, ( to the detractors & pessimists disappointment), our Metro suddenly ceasing operations. Like it or not, this modern rapid transport system will operate past the time we're all dead and gone.
We will prosper greatly and the Metro will be the wheels to help in achieving that goal. It does not matter what it's said here, fact of the matter is that despite the number of pinheads who
hope for the worse, this Metro is here to stay. Thank goodness.!
originalmrb,
The PLD sacrificed investing in the true national priority EDUCATION, in violation of the constitutional 4% mandate to build a non priority METRO, which has resulted in the collapse of not only the METRO but the education system as well!
People should be prosecuted for this crime against Dominican children and the taxpayers!
There are people who still think the Edsel was a good idea !
Don't blame the messenger DT for the headline, they were just quoting Mr. CARRASCO who obviously knows more than you and the PLD's propaganda organ Listin!
How about YOU getting an education and learn how to spell proper English, pinhead!
You're a pest, unable to formulate ideas of your own. The extent of your arguments don't go beyond the "useless Metro" and the correlation with our school system which,--if it's true you're a Dominican--, are a product of.
How about getting a job, or go back to elementary school, or read a book, (if you have that ability).
Isn't there something to do other than to irritate people, day and night, with constant nonsense?
Get a life, and get help for your mental disorders, bud.
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
"Among the deficiencies Carrasco cited leaks in several stations and problems with the air conditioning system in some of the cars."
These are hardly reasons to panic and proclaim "operations of the metro are about to collapse".
Water leaks are typical of every subterranean tunnel. Mines are plague with this problem when water seeps right through rock and soil, especially when there're a heavy rains. Solution?.sump pumps. As any other infrastructural undertaking __sea and airports, highways, bridges, buildings, etc-- it must be constantly maintained or it deteriorates.... Same with our bodies, If not properly fed, exercised, and mentally stimulated, it will die.
I wouldn't panic about the lack of air conditioning "in some cars".
Thanks for some real and experienced comments concerning this subject.
This a treat, the two PURPLE apologists back to back trying to defend the indefensible!
"Thanks for some real and experienced comments concerning this subject."
So Mr. Evans is in a better position to comment on the Metro than one the Metro's own Deputy Directors. Some of you are extremely obtuse to say the least.
Just a quick update...The Metro was working this morning. My Dollar-Store Crystal ball prognosticates that it will be working tomorrow too. :)
You can make a Killing Selling Umbrellas!
"Written by: JMONTILLA, 21 Sep 2012 9:51 AM
From: United States
i could tell you right now that Pres Danilo and his government are not and will never be corrupt i can gurantee you that!!!!"
How can you say that with the overwhelming number of Corrupt Holdovers from Lie-onel's NARCO administration reappointed by him?
I hope you’re not betting the mortgage on that one!
Another crystal ball owner!
Putting politics and jokes aside, the water filtration problem and the air conditional are not in itself the show stoppers. What the article seem to not clarify, or Deputy Director Leonel Carrasco not articulate is, why the RD$650.0 million pesos ($16.5 Million dollars) in revenue are not being administer directly by OPRET? I thought the OPRET was suppose to be independent. Why the Central Government is shortchanging the OPRET?
Exactly that, Arcangel. Carrasco is crying wolf to get his hands on this money. Glad to know Medina's accessing the situation, seeing how things work, and reacting accordingly.
These are all the hallmark of a good administrator that hasn't yet had the time to look into how the government, as a whole, was run by Fernandez. .Perhaps some cuts are in order, beginning with Carrasco's salary.
The money will be disbursed in a timely manner, as it should be.
The leaks will be taken cared of and our "useless" Metro will continue to serve 200.000 thousand people every day.
do you know how old the NYC subways are?
American is more worried about Wikileaks than subway leaks. I am ashamed that our government has abandoned one of our greatest heroes, now in need.
Why the Central Government is shortchanging the OPRET?
I agree lets put all the jokes aside and ask....
"The Question"......."Why is the Central Government shortchanging" the Dominican People, especially the Children, from a world class Competitive EDUCATION and the constitutionally guaranteed mandate of 4%!
I agree that since its creation "La Ley General de Educación No.66-97, del 9 de abril de 1997", signed by former president Fernandez, has not been fully followed. But, this article is not about education, but the current economic state of the Metro system.
From: Dominican Republic
Josean,
I agree that since its creation "La Ley General de Educación No.66-97, del 9 de abril de 1997", signed by former president Fernandez, has not been fully followed. But, this article is not about education, but the current economic state of the Metro system.
To me EVERYTHING is about EDUCATION!!!!!
Do you remember posting #876 and #877 on 8/24/12 @2;29 pm,9;13 pm subject Santo Domingo
Subway?
As if I had been there watching the entire construction of the Metro,and knew the outcomes of it.
I think this guy Deputy Director Leonel Carrasco is exagerating the issue ,All this is part of maintanace, If it cost money to repair ,it is still under quarantee by the contractors. So it has to be at no cost to the DR manager
As you remeber i quoted then less than a month ago the need for CONTRACT COMPLIANCE DEPARTAMENT as well as the CAPITAL BUDGET prior to bidding on the projects and its CRITERIA meetings.I also by so saying 'every project has a start and completion date,beyond that the contractors would be penalyzed by a fine /day if not completed on time. That material quality has to be by specification under written wuarantee plusd labor and parts for 10 years if deterioration occurs within that period time frame.
Where's the money for the Santo Domingo Metro?
Earlier this month, the deputy director of the Metro Office, Leonel Carrasco said that the plan was to finish the first half of the second line of the Metro by December and that President Danilo Medina had authorized the funds and that contractors were making progress. The second line runs from west to east below the John F. Kennedy Avenue.
However, speaking on a radio program on Thursday, 20 September Carrasco complained that the reality is that the Metro has not received funds for construction or maintenance for three months.
He said that reductions in the government subsidy for the operation of the first line could force a system shutdown, even though the Metro raises RD$65 million pesos a year and transports more than 100,000 fare-paying passengers every day.
DR1
I thought one of the METRO MANIACS said it was 200,000 a day?
continued:
"RonEvane, 21 Sep 2012 11:56 AM"
"The leaks will be taken cared of and our "useless" Metro will continue to serve 200,000 thousand people every day."
Now how can some who writes and reads English “perfectly” not know the difference between 100,000 and 200,000?
PS
"Carrasco said there are many deficiencies that need maintenance. This includes leaks in the roofs at several stations that have caused damage to the escalators. There are also problems with the air conditioning system in several cars, as reported in Diario Libre. Hoy reported that their unofficial sources suggest that the debt with contractors is more than RD$500 million."
"The first part of the second line is set to cost US$700 million and runs from Duarte Highway at Km. 90 along John F. Kennedy Ave. up to the Ozama River."
"Contractors shall repair same at no cost to the DR Metro"This applies to moving parts as well as non moving parts,Static such as rectifiers,Transformers,Asbestos free to be used such as breaks and HT & LT cables or switch gears & transformers.The raillings to be checked periodically within 6 months period ,no sign of abnormalities such as cracks and worn out ,spreading distance of 3 mills tolerance.Replace part as they become worned out or defective.
so as not to create derailments accidents that could affect human lives since public
safety is a must.
I could only speak of my experience after working for the MTA NYCTA for over 41 years and that i had observed too many mistakes and my knowlege was adquired by watching other people's
mistakeand learned by their mistakes.
THIS METRO WAS NOT WELL PLANNED AND ACCORDINGLY IT IS GOING TO BE A FAILURE
SOONER OR LATER STARTING WITH WHAT AM MENTIONING,
2. Taking a subway with no proper air circulation is not just a bad idea, it could be deadly. Some people might be ale to take it more than others. But depending the temperature, and the weather condition ( and we all know how hot it can get) without a/c is really dangerous.
If car goes down they will change it and send it to repair, that's why they extras.
The point isn't if the metro was a bad idea, it was a perfect idea. The problem is that this not the time for a metro in santo Domingo. Our country, our government, our PEOPLE is not ready for it. They don't know how to use it, they don't know what is PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE, our people don't have the civil EDUCATION to take care of it.
100,000 riders a day
$ 20 a ticket
100,000 X 20 = 2,000,000
365 days a year X 2,000,000 = $730,000,000 pesos a year..
If the total daily ridership is 200,000 feel free to double the final number
Who ever took those pictures, they are nice but, would it stand the following:
I didn't see any 'tunnel exaust ceilling fans' in place to get rid of the smoke in case of fire.This is very important and crucial.
No where was AC mentioned in the train cooling system .Fans are proven to be obsolite since all they do is move hot air around.
Since the capital is located by the sea water front ,the probability of flooding will occur from time to time. I didn't see any super drain pumps in place to drain water away from and out of the tracks.
Would they have a second source of electric supply in case the primary faills?You don;t want to be stranded in the middle of of a tunnel just because there is no tracktion electric power.
Visual inspections for cracks as well as metal corrosion treatments (ELECTROLYSIS). A negative voltage applied to the metal structure to prevent corrosion.
Don't you believe in Jesus?
Funding for the completion of the Metro for what I understand came to a halt .NO MORE LOANS!!
How about applying to the Central Bank and Local banks or floating bonds ?I hate to have an incompleted project that has cost the DR so much money, Right or wrong it is there,lets do our
best.
I guess the IMF or the W/B or the IAB have all walked away from a white elephant ,which stands to show you not to depend on others but do it with with your own resourses and efforts. We can not bring our country into the 21st Century on borrow money ,not knowing how we are going to pay it back .
There is a saying in Spanish "Quien no puede no va"!!!.
Local need to relize that when you invest in something new, money needs to be set aside in the Budget for Maintence & Repairs. Dominican always invest in something that they don't need(like a SubwaySystem) and instead of putting the profits back into the investments, they put it in there pockets. A COMPANY NEVER HAS A CHANCE TO GROW IN THIS COUNTRY and now they are trying to build a second subways line,how crazy.
I give them less than a year and that Subway System be closed down and Bankrupt and it will be another "Short lived PROJECT/INVESTMENT" setting around collecting Rust and Dust like so many in Santo Domingo. Just look at all the half built Businesses and Condo Buildings on the Malecon.
All that wasted money could have gone toward Education and Feeding the Poor, which is needed more in this Carbbean Country.
Bayman46. Another pinhead emerges out of the mental ghetto that this website has become! Yes, I'm referring to you, who: "knew this were happen". I can tell the kind of schooling you've had by the lack of syntax, spelling, and of proper punctuation in your asinine comment.
This freaking site is a dump for the mentally deficient,.infested by illiterates, human thrash, after- the- fact- prognosticators and elementary school drop-outs!.These are the "experts" in economics, mass transportation, and engineering! ...Holly straight jacket!
These visionaries and enlightened folks, as a group,.have declared the Metro a total failure, a royal waste of money, and a superb fiasco!! This is what results when the emotionally traumatized, the mental midgets, the self-absorbed, the ones who think of themselves as supreme thinkers, and the politically obsessed, come into play in the same arena.!
I have grown tired of dealing with these entities. . I think it best to vow out of DT. It has
Bayman46. Another pinhead emerges out of the mental ghetto that this website has become! Yes, I'm referring to you, who: "knew this were happen". I can tell the kind of schooling you've had by the lack of syntax, spelling, and of proper punctuation in your asinine comment.
This freaking site is a dump for the mentally deficient,.infested by illiterates, human thrash, after- the- fact- prognosticators and elementary school drop-outs!.These are the "experts" in economics, mass transportation, and engineering! ...Holly straight jacket!
These visionaries and enlightened folks, as a group,.have declared the Metro a total failure, a royal waste of money, and a superb fiasco!! This is what results when the emotionally traumatized, the mental midgets, the self-absorbed, the ones who think of themselves as supreme thinkers, and the politically obsessed, come into play in the same arena. ..cont.
...I've grown tired of dealing with these entities. It has come to be a headache, rather than the entertaining/learning experience I had expected.
I think it best to vow out of DT. I will log in one more time soon before leaving to express my thanks to those that made it fun and corrected me in my errors.... Carry on, and take care.
Good riddance!
One less elitist PURPLE PRICK!
Don't spit the dummy!
Debate is what it is all about. If we all agreed then what would be the point - preaching to the choir! As you can see from my posts that I happen to think the Metro is a good idea, but I'm not holding out for any converts here. If you just want agreement, then stick to talking about Dominican woman. We not only have conciseness, but unanimous agreement they are the best in the world. Yeah?
Chill!!!, or rather do not get frustrated ( let’s agree to disagree); it is not about literacy, grammar, puntuaction or sentence agreement ( the insult is not granted). Trust me, there are a BUNCH OF EDUCATED, RICH (YES) folks on this blog.
These guys are trying to express their thoughts and opinions in a very humble and simplistic manner. Without even thinking about any “shakespearean” writing discipline or rules. The METRO is an infrastructure that could be an asset to the country. However, DR needs more schools, hospitals, infrastructure upgrades such as roads, bridges, and a good emergency defense plan. I can go on and on about other socio- economical, environmental, law enforcement needs... but it will not help.
From: United States, NJ
continue,
Who ever took those pictures, they are nice but, would it stand the following:
I didn't see any 'tunnel exaust ceilling fans' in place to get rid of the smoke in case of fire.This is very important and crucial."
I don't want to point out the obvious but....you realize that this particular station is not underground...right?
Do not look for grammar or punctuation here, just try to look at the point the fellow users are trying to make. I agree with ingle23 and jose about the need of schooling in DR which will eliminate the "illiterates,people with mental deficiency" and will provide us with citizens with great ideas and future leaders. But what worries me most and is way overlooked is are fire fighters, building structures, and emergency units. I do not want to imagine or experience a earthquake of the magnitude of the one in Haiti, I do not wish it to happen but the future is always uncertain. I think that instead of investing on the Metro, the government should had enforced our fire fighters and emergency units. I live in a small town in the northeast and there is only one fire department in my town, it's incredible that from my town that one fire truck is called to go to other small communities as far as 1 hour from the department. Once it took the truck 1 hour to get to another pueblo and went it
got there the fire devastated the community since there was no fire truck in a radius of 1 hour. My point is, imagine if there was a earthquake? there will be uncontrollable fire everywhere and ONE fire truck is not enough for around 30 small towns in my providence. Ron the Metro is important but these problems like schooling,police enforcement,bridges,roads,corrupt politicians and judicial, and our emergency unit SHOULD had come first.
I don't know what the deal is with Ron. Roy is for the metro, and he doesn't call people Haitians, apes, illiterates, human thrash... Most of us here learn English as a 2nd or 3rd language. This is not a freaking online English classroom. DT articles themselves have spelling/grammatical problems at times, and we don't see Ron call the DT Editor -Ape.
The sad part is: he is for the useless metro. The same metro that took a big chunk out of the constitutionally mandated 4% for the EDUCATION. He has the nerves to call people illiterates, apes?! How can people be all smarty smart like him without an education? He doesn't feed his kids just to get angry and call them malnourished. Dude said he's an Atheist, and he regularly goes to church. So, why can't he be for the metro and amicably have a Presidente with an illiterate who's against it?
About everything in DR has been neglected so the overpriced useless metro could be illegally built so the purple morons could masterly steal.
Who needs fire trucks, insurance or even seat-belts when you've got Jesus? He decides when it's your time to go and there's nothing you can do about it, so have a few more beers before jumping on your motorbike and riding home without lights.
After reading your myriad commentary - and those of others - there can be little doubt that the priorities of past power have been sufficient to cause more than a few raised eyebrows, and clenched fists. My experience concerning questionable dealings by or outright corrupt political actions of leaders will often go unchecked. If they ever do get brought up in front of courts or councils, there is often no real outcome or punitive recompense. Just look at my country for evidence of this. When all is said and done, all that truly happens is that we taxpayers get to pay once more to have these tribunals tell us who zoomed us - something we could have disclosed for free.
Y asi.................
I can see your point, and certainly feel your pains, but how much would you have the RD taxpayer spend on bringing this to justice? You and I both know this will cost no small fortune, and the only real benefit would go to the lawyers and litigants. You know that well from the political comedies in your adopted country of the recent lustrum. And though it would be nice to dream of retribution - a la Mussolini - the fact is that the power rarely ever pays for deeds done with an eye to deniability or loop holes.
I am not criticizing your stance, because you're emoting what everyone else is thinking. But the hole is in the ground now, and so,what do you do you propose to do now and moving forward?
When You INVEST x2 the ENTIRE BUDGET for EDUCATION of an ENTIRE NATION on a SINGLE stupid whim, a "DESIRE" from a Clown that though he was a Pharoh THIS IS THE KIND OF SH!T that happens!! MANY here wrote about this just to be Joked at, that is why i will repeat again Josean's first comments!!
GOD DAM we TOLD you so!!!
Yet many still defend something TOTALLY ILOGICAL AND IRATIONAL which should have NEVER been build at the expense of the REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS that MOVE a nation FORWARD, THERE ARE CLOSE TO A MILLION Dominicans that are ILLITERATES on 2012!! therefore this people must have made GROSS MONEY o received BENEFITS from this STupid Montruosity, or they are family of Leonel, just that way we can explain this completely BLINDNESS.
Roy, that's the whole point. The government keeps the masses illiterate so the government can masterly lie and steal -especially by coming up with frivolous projects while giving strong prison sentences to young kids that the government deny a fair shot at life in the first place.
The country is governed by a bunch of corrupted thieves supported by an entourage of thieves. Morons have no courage to fix the obvious: bridges, roads, electricity, healthcare... And they come up with a $1 billion useless metro?!
Like I said before: Nobody cares about the maimed kids. The heartless only care about the bloody diamonds. Just wipe the blood off!
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
...I've grown tired of dealing with these entities. It has come to be a headache, rather than the entertaining/learning experience I had expected.
I think it best to vow out of DT. I will log in one more time soon before leaving to express my thanks to those that made it fun and corrected me in my errors.... Carry on, and take care.
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Adios, cierre la puerta cuando salga, buena suerte defendiendo disparates sin sentido...
I just want to put this in perspective. The current working Metro line is generating approximatelly 16.5 million dollars in fares, on a 14.5 km. stretch, with the current trend of increase ridership year after year. In other words, approximatelly one hundred thousand workers commuting from "Villa Mella" to "La Feria" daily, that used to be pack like cattle into run down buses and cars, without any guarantees that they would arrive to their destination on time, or with a single fare. It has been proven that, in large metropolis around the world, that this is the way to go to address the issue of mass transportation system. It is the logical thing to do! We are already a city with 3.7 million residents, that will grow more dense as we start building ever more higher buildings.
The arguments for a Metro in any large city are even more valid for Santo Domingo considering the road systems (and Dominican drivers and vehicles) are so bad.
I agree that education should also be a priority, but I have not seen any evidence that money spent on the Metro would have gone in to education if it did not exist. For all the theft, corruption and wastage in this country, it astounds me that the Metro is one thing taking all the criticism.
Agree 100%.
originalmrb,
"I am not criticizing your stance, because you're emoting what everyone else is thinking. But the hole is in the ground now, and so,what do you do you propose to do now and moving forward?"
Written by: josean, 20 Sep 2012 4:01 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
All works on this Financial Albatross should be Stopped Immediately!
A feasibility study by disinterested experts should be done, as well as a financial audit to determine if its cost effective to continue and if the current structural problems are due to a lack of maintenance, poor quality in the original construction, quality of materials used and the quality of equipment purchased thus far etc. And have the monies spent so far ben done so legitimately or pissed in the wind of corruption.
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When you’re in hole, Pardon the Pun, you need to stop digging or in this case stop for a while until you can assure quality of construction and the benefits of ROI!
Arcangel96 says;
"We are already a city with 3.7 million residents, that will grow more dense as we start building ever more higher buildings."
A crtic responds:
"I depart from a lot of current thinking on the subject. For instance, many people seem to think that there will be more of everything—more people, taller skyscrapers, greater suburbs, bigger airplanes, larger metro regions, or even super-gigantic slums. I don’t go along with this bundle of bull, except for the slums, which I think will be short-lived, contrary to the vision of popular author Mike Davis’s Planet of Slums. Of course, trends won’t proceed with the same timing everywhere in the world. But I think the general theme going forward, certainly in the U.S., will be the comprehensive contraction of just about everything. "
continued:
"I see our cities getting smaller and denser, with fewer people. Skyscrapers will be obsolete, travel greatly reduced, and the rural edge more distinct. The energy inputs to our economies will decrease a lot, and probably in ways that prove destabilizing. The first manifestations of climate change will be food shortages, one of the reasons I think super slum cities will be short-lived. The growth of urban megaslums in the past one hundred years has been predicated on turning oil into food, and the failure of that equation is aggravating weather-related crop failures around the world. Food shortages will quickly bend the arc of world population growth downward from the poorer margins and inward to the “developed” center—with stark implications for politics and even civil order. The crisis of money is already hampering the operation of cities and will soon critically impede the repair of water systems, paved streets, electric service, and other vital infrastructure."
continued:
"We are heading into a major reset of daily life, a phase of history I call The Long Emergency. Tomorrow will be a lot more like a distant yesteryear in terms of reduced comforts, commerce, and the scale of things."
From:
Back to the Future
A road map for tomorrow's cities
by James Howard Kunstler
Read the rest at:
orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/6336
The thing about all these experts on the future, is they always get it wrong, sometimes spectacularly. Global warming, (assuming that it is happening) and indeed increased CO2 levels, overall increases rainfall and increases vegetative growth, hence food productivity. As yet there is no sign of population growth slowing down, except perhaps in the developed world, opposite to your futurologist's prediction. As for the money supply running out, money comes from debt not productivity. (Get Dready to explain - I don't understand it, but it's true). The banks just print more of it, mostly not even on paper.
jojosnogood,
Ms.Vickey apparently was an election season employee of the PLD!
Roy ,"They always get it wrong" that's a pretty broad brush condemnation and seems to suggest you are totally right!
Roy you can stop building your Bunker!
"No, Muslims are not taking over the world"
The global Muslim population is projected to grow at a slower pace than it did during the previous two decades
A recent study from the Pew Research Centre on religion and public life demonstrates that neither the UK nor Europe are in danger of a Muslim takeover, whatever the American right may believe. The Future of the Global Muslim Population: Projections for 2010-2030 is a major and comprehensive study that focuses on the Muslim populations in North America, Europe, Africa and the Asia-Pacific and provides a revealing look into the future of the Muslim population worldwide and the future makeup of the world.
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According to the report, the global Muslim population is expected to increase by about 35% over the next two decades, rising from a population of 1.6 billion in 2010 to 2.2 billion in 2030. The study says that the global Muslim population is expected to grow at a faster rate than the non-Muslim population, but that the Muslim population is projected to grow at a slower pace than it did during the previous two decades.
The study makes several projections for the UK. According to the study, more than a quarter of all new immigrants to the UK in 2010 are estimated to be Muslim. These groups largely migrate from former colonial states, specifically Pakistan, Bangladesh and India. According to the study, the UK had a net inflow of roughly 64,000 Muslim immigrants in the past year and will continue to serve as a destination for Muslims. In fact, the study says that the UK is expected to have the largest increase in the number of Muslims in Europe in the next 20 years.
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The number of Muslims in the UK is projected to almost double from 2.9 million in 2010 to 5.6 million in 2030. By 2030, Muslims are expected to make up 8.2% of the UK's population, up from 4.6% in 2010.
Across Europe, Muslims make up a sizeable population and will continue to do so. According to the study, Europe's Muslim population is expected to grow from 44.1 million in 2010 to 58.2 million in 2030. Western and northern Europe, where Muslims are expected to approach double-digit percentages, will see the greatest increases.
In 2030, Muslims are projected to make up more than 10% of the total population in 10 European countries: Kosovo (93.5%), Albania (83.2%), Bosnia-Herzegovina (42.7%), the Republic of Macedonia (40.3%), Montenegro (21.5%), Bulgaria (15.7%), Russia (14.4%), Georgia (11.5%), France (10.3%) and Belgium (10.2%). In Austria, Muslims are projected to reach 9.3% of the population by 2030, an increase from the 5.7% today.
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In France, the population is expected to rise from 7.5% currently to 10.3%. The Muslim population in Sweden is expected to nearly double over the same time span.
According to the projections and if current trends continue, 79 countries will have a million or more Muslim inhabitants in 2030, an increase from the 72 countries today. More than half of the world's Muslims will continue to live in the Asia-Pacific region, and about 20% will live in the Middle East and North Africa. Pakistan will surpass Indonesia as the country with the single largest Muslim population.
The Pew findings demonstrate that fear of a Muslim takeover was largely the product of hysteria. France is not headed toward becoming an "Islamic republic" by 2048, as has been claimed, and Germany is not on its way to becoming a "Muslim state" by 2050.
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It is strange that these Pew findings and projections are less likely to circulate as widely or quickly as statistics about predictions of a Muslim takeover. Commentators seem more focused on ringing false alarm bells than on presenting facts. The reality is that there is no takeover, but that there is a danger of intolerance that threatens the very fabric of British and European society We are not witnessing a clash of civilisations, but a clash of cultures fostered by those who portray Islam as a monolith and see religious and cultural diversity solely as a threat rather than as a potential source of strength and enrichment. The liberal democratic heritage and fabric of our societies must be safeguarded and fearmongering, religious and racial discrimination rejected and marginalised in a future based on facts not fiction.
guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2011/feb/11/islam-population
Roy it is the Muslims who are in their current Dark Age and they will eventually come out of it too like the "civilized" Europeans did!
That's what the Arab Spring is all about!
Now on to Global Warming Roy,
"Global warming, (assuming that it is happening) and indeed increased CO2 levels, overall increases rainfall and increases vegetative growth, hence food productivity."
No not necessarily because the climate shifts may not be for the current productive regions and those that experience the change may not be the most suitable for agricultural production. Climate is very important in agriculture but it’s not the only factor.
It should also be noted that global warming and cooling is a NORMAL cycle in our planet, hence several ice ages are evident in the geological record the most recent being “The Ice Age” which was a 1,000,000 years ago a lasted for 10,000 years. Even more recent we had the Little Ice Age between the 17th century and the late 19th century.
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So climate change is nothing new or invented by vast left wing conspiracy, what is of concern is how much are we affecting or accelerating the process which is sure to come normally as it has cycled from the begin of geological time.
But Roy don't take my “pre-GED” level opinion lets here form someone who is in the hire echelons of corporate America and certainly has mucho dinero at stake regarding this topic:
The Chairman of Exxon Mobil, Rex W. Tillerson
Rex W. Tillerson is Exxon Mobil's chairman and chief executive. While his predecessor, Lee R. Raymond, was better known for his dismissive attitude toward public opinion, Mr. Tillerson has tried to address the challenge the industry faces in dealing with the global energy market.
Since taking over as Exxon's chairman in 2006 from Mr. Raymond, who pooh-poohed fears of global warming and branded environmental activists ''extremists,'' Mr. Tillerson has tried to soften Exxon's public stance on climate change.
continued
''We recognize that climate change is a serious issue,'' Mr. Tillerson said in a 2006 interview, pointing to a company report that acknowledged the link between the consumption of fossil fuels and rising global temperatures. ''We recognize that greenhouse gas emissions are one of the factors affecting climate change.''
On July 14, 2009, Exxon announced an investment of $600 million in producing liquid transportation fuels from algae -- organisms in water that range from pond scum to seaweed. The biofuel effort involves a partnership with Synthetic Genomics, a biotechnology company founded by J. Craig Venter.
The agreement could plug a major gap in the strategy of Exxon, the world's largest and richest publicly traded oil company, which has been criticized by environmental groups for dismissing concerns about global warming in the past and its reluctance to develop renewable fuels.
Rread the rest at:
nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/t/rex_w_tillerson/index.h
So you see Roy our concern with Climate Change is well grouned in reality based on the science of past geological history and the current science of the effects on the climate by use of hydrocarbons, than with an Islamic Empire TAKING OVER THE WORLD!
Hey josean, outstanding STFU... Nice
The data you have presented does not support your conclusions - quite the opposite.
Regardless, independent of AGM arguments, there are good economic, strategic and health reasons to move away from the use of fossil fuels, and the only viable, safe, non-CO2 producing, cheep and sizable source of energy is uranium fuel rods made in Australia, and returned to Australia for storage.
"The data you present does not support your conclusions"
How so Roy?
The American embassy in Australia has warned Americans in Sydney and Melbourne to hide the fact they are Americans to avoid being attacked by Muslims.
The Pakistani government Minister for Railways has offered $100,000 for the death of the Christian maker of the video insulting Mohammed. This is the government that receives billions in aid from the USA.
Roy these events you cite are evidence of the desperation on the part of the mullhas who are trying to hold on to the 16th century. The tide of history is not in their favor, so you can sleep peacefully tonight.
The tide IS in their favor. They have the West cringing in fear, afraid to say or do anything that might offend them. World leaders are saying what they know is not true - that Islam is a peaceful, tolerant religion and does not condone violence. The fact is, the Koran demands it.
Roy as you lay your weary frightened Muslim phobic mind to rest tonight, this might help you avoid having to take the Ambient pill.
"Taking these figures into account, a rough calculation suggests that in the last five years, your chances of being killed by a terrorist are about one in 20 million.
"This compares annual risk of dying in a car accident of 1 in 19,000; drowning in a bathtub at 1 in 800,000; dying in a building fire at 1 in 99,000; or being struck by lightning at 1 in 5,500,000. In other words,........ in the last five years you were four times more likely to be struck by lightning than killed by a terrorist."
So as long as you stay indoors during a Thunder Storm you will probably be OK!
Read the rest at:
"How Scared of Terrorism Should You Be?"
"Not very. You are four times more likely to be killed by a lightning bolt than by a terror attack."
reason.com/archives/2011/09/06/how-scared-of-terrorism-should
Roy,
As FDR said in his first inaugural address in 1933 “Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself"!
Deaths from terrorist attacks
2007 13,000
2008 9,000
2009 8,700
media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/original-size/20110917_WOC570.gif
Roy,
According to the graph you linked, which I presumed you used to extrapolate these numbers you left out 2011 where the number drops to about 7,500 worldwide.
So your fears should be diminishing in world with a population that reached 7 billion on October 31, 2011.
Population increases and terrorists caused death are declining!
Those God Dam Facts are so Stubborn!
Again the“Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself"!
PS
The article I posted was for the US "The Great Satan" as per the 16th century mullahs and the country which the try to target and hate the most.
Josean,
This analogy could be truth if you DO NOT fall into any of these categories:
If you are not Jewish.
Do not live in the Middle East.
If you are not American/deployed “down range”(Combat Zone).
The core fundamental value of Islam is to kill the “Infidels”, or anybody who supports them (infidels/Christians). Ironically, here in the US we are living among these enemies. They can live freely in any major city of the US; attend our schools, run their own businesses (convenient stores/gas stations, taxi cabs). Personally, if I was”king” for a day,these ENEMIES would be out of this country on the “first thing smoking” (slang for the first thing living).?
"If you are not Jewish.
Do not live in the Middle East.
If you are not American/deployed “down range”(Combat Zone)."
ingle23,
I don't know if Roy is Jewish but I believe the other two apply to him.
Do not get me wrong, I can embrace anybody regardless of their national origin however, These folks want to destroy the US and Israel. ( there are a very few exceptions).
"These folks"
That seems a little too broad!
How about Some of these "extremists!"
I can take the correction....
Just name a few.
To you anything to left of Attila the Hun is extremism!
From: Dominican Republic
airgordo,
I just want to put this in perspective. The current working Metro line is generating approximatelly 16.5 million dollars in fares, on a 14.5 km. stretch, with the current trend of increase ridership year after year. In other words, approximatelly one hundred thousand workers commuting from "Villa Mella" to "La Feria" daily, that used to be pack like cattle into run down buses and cars, without any guarantees that they would arrive to their destination on time, or with a single fare. It has been proven that, in large metropolis around the world, that this is the way to go to address the issue of mass transportation system. It is the logical thing to do! We are already a city with 3.7 million residents, that will grow more dense as we start building ever more higher buildings.
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-WHERE are you getting those figures on passenger fares
-How come there STILL is the same problem on the traffic of that area?
The figure comes from the article itself. RD$650 million pesos at the current exchange are approximatelly $16.5 million dollars. In concrete, what do you mean when you say "...STILL is the same problem on the traffic of that area?" If you are refering to the level of commuters along the Metro route, well.....it cannot be the same than the one before its construction, because the Metro is generating $16.5 million dollars in fares.
Ref.to Your article on Subway 22 Sep 12 @12;19 am
If you read my articles refers to subway in general, not to a particular station A/G or U/G.Stands to reason when I mentioned tunnel it is understood it was U/G (under ground).I don't recall an A/G
above ground tunnel celling fans.The last place to install ceilling fans would be in a Station,to remove smoke, since passangers could have an immediate exit at the Station to the street.
I forgot to mention as part of the emergency evacuation system; exits to the streets level in case of fire, passangers's (fire escape) to street, via (cat-walks) and adjacent MH(man-hole) out to the street level. Mandatory by the International Fire Codes.
Alrighty....So when you wrote that
"Who ever took those pictures, they are nice but, would it stand the following:
I didn't see any 'tunnel exaust ceilling fans' in place to get rid of the smoke in case of fire.This is very important and crucial."
You were referring to pictures other than the one in the article...correct?
I was refering to the article written by me to Atabay in Santo Domingo Subway #876,#877 page36
Next in your eyes I'll be right wing extremist racist kinda-a-guy drinking tea con leche.
The fact that most Muslims are not suicide bombers does not deny the reality that world domination by any means is a core objective of Islam. Most Americans are not carrying a machine-gun in Afghanistan. In fact most in the military don't carry guns either, they are in support roles like administration and logistics. Does that mean those who are actually at the front are extremists and have nothing to do with American foreign policy?
Get real!
From: Dominican Republic
Airgordo,
The figure comes from the article itself. RD$650 million pesos at the current exchange are approximatelly $16.5 million dollars. In concrete, what do you mean when you say "...STILL is the same problem on the traffic of that area?" If you are refering to the level of commuters along the Metro route, well.....it cannot be the same than the one before its construction, because the Metro is generating $16.5 million dollars in fares.
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I mean that i have family on Sabana Perdida, where i have to take the Maximo Gomez and even drive below this stupid thing YET i have not seen ANY improvement on the amount of traffic jams , that was sold to the people as the SOLUTION for that, YET is the same crap or even worst! now that has a explanation that Nuria Piera already proved on a Journalistic Story, THE SO CALLED METRO USERS don't exist! she, that explains why i still have the same trafic Jams!
One metro line is not going to solve the current chaos in the whole city of Santo Domingo. It is just a start. Now, to measure the efficiency and/or utility of the of the current line based on the increase/decrease of the number and duration of traffic jams along its route, might not be the best way to measure it. The cause of traffic jams at rush hours are various. From non-working/non-existing lights to people that don't obey common traffic rules to etc...etc. I think a better measurement would be, to find out the impact of the line on people that were previous community along the current route of the Metro. For example, do people that commuted along the Metro line route before its construction, are they still using "taxis", "motoconcho", "guaguas", private vehicle or "carro publico"? why? how many?
From: Dominican Republic
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YOU wrote this:
"In other words, approximatelly one hundred thousand workers commuting from "Villa Mella" to "La Feria" daily, that used to be pack like cattle into run down buses and cars, without any guarantees that they would arrive to their destination on time, or with a single fare"
I though my post was on ENGLISH since it obviously does not say that a single line will solve anything, same as your previous post where you talk AND COUNT the reduction of THOUSANDS as a FACT, WHICH is NOT, if there was Thousands out of the street because of this montruosity, THERE WOULD NOT BE the situation still IS present on that area...have you tried to get a guagua there??? they should be EMPTY shouldn't them?
Hummm....I don't think you can make the correlation that because we still have traffic jams and full public vehicles, along the Metro route, that the Metro is empty; or vice-versa, that if the Metro is full, then "los carros publicos" should be riding around empty. They are not directly proportional. What you can assume is that, because the Metro is collecting 'X' number of fares per day, that without its service, these fares would be collected by other services and vice-versa.
Lie-onel and his USELESS METRO are the TWO BIGGEST most EXPENSIVE FAILURES in Dominican Histroy!
Mrs. Piera report might have been true in 2009. I have only seen bits and pieces of it, but not enough to make an informed opinion. However, today the "Sindicatos de Choferes" sing a different song than Mrs. Piera. The syndicates are afraid that they will be run out of business if the expansion of the Metro services continue. Check these headlines:
"Choferes temerosos por desaparición de sus rutas en zonas del Metro" -- Hoy.com 11 Abril 2012, 10:21 AM
hxxp://xxx.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Phv79cMYk
I checked out "The Third Jihad" - scary stuff, but Dominicans don't care - it will not hit this backwater for at least another 50 sleeps - too far into the future to worry about. The Dominican economy will collapse totally by the time the USA becomes an Islamic state, and Shara Law may even be an improvement over the lawlessness here that will become much worse than it is now.
Thanks for the link, although I must say that its 10.38min were the worst piece of Investigative journalism I ever seen in my whole life! Again, I honestly thank you for the link, but watching this whole thing was painful.
In which way is a geologist an expert in matters of Metro operation or urban planning? What about a former head of the Dominican Rep. Central Bank? Dramatizations of hidden cameras shots makes the whole thing laughable, specially when she states that after some resistance opposition to filming inside the station, she eventually was cleared to film. Honestly, no interviews with passengers on-board the train, or the head of OPRET, maybe a mole, something! or anything that could give this report some kind of credibility.
I would say a Geologist and a Metro builder goes together as well as UIrban Planning.
Refer to the Athens,Greece Metro building 1996-2004.
From: Dominican Republic
Airgordo,
In which way is a geologist an expert in matters of Metro operation or urban planning? What about a former head of the Dominican Rep. Central Bank? Dramatizations of hidden cameras shots makes the whole thing laughable, specially when she states that after some resistance opposition to filming inside the station, she eventually was cleared to film. Honestly, no interviews with passengers on-board the train, or the head of OPRET, maybe a mole, something! or anything that could give this report some kind of credibility.
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What? A GEOLOGIST? so is the geology thge ONLY scope of expertise of this guy.... you DO get that when you go UNDERCOVER with a hidden camera is because you want to have EVIDENCE of the REAL REALITY , right? you DO know that EACH wagon of this stupidity with wheels HAS A SECURITY, therefore INTERVIEWS are BEYOND the scope, i am guessing you know ALL that
Again, Mrs. Piera initially introduces Mr. Osiris de Leon as a "famous" personality. Then along the report, you see the title of Mr. De Leon, a geologist. Is Mr. De Leon a subject area expert in anything other than geology? Well....we don't know and Mrs. Piera didn't say. Or is simply that being "famous" is good enough to bring credibility to Mrs. Piera's report.
Now, about the camera....she didn't need to do any "secret squirrel" undercover stuff in order to obtain the video for her report. According to her, she was actually clear to do so. She said so in video. So why the theatrics? Since the Metro inauguration people have been taking better videos with smart phones than the one from the report.
Interviews? Why she didn't secure an interview with the heads of OPRET and confront them with her evidence. How about interviewing the heads of the different public transportation unions to ascertain if they were being impacted? Riders, one outside?
"you DO get that when you go UNDERCOVER with a hidden camera is because you want to have EVIDENCE of the REAL REALITY , right?"
Alrighty...I understand the concept, rational and/or need of some investigations to use undercover cameras when in the pursue of evidence. However, I think that in the case on this report, the few seconds labeled with the tag "undercover camera" was all done for dramatic and sensationalistic effect and nothing else.
In the video, Mrs. Piera states that she was clear to use her "professional" cameras after some initial resistance by the security personnel of the Metro. In other words, Mrs. Piera had permission to film whatever type of evidence she wanted. She was not undercover, she is a well known personality in DR.
Moreover, showing up with a professional video crew to the station is kind of the opposite to undercover camera work....specially when every one can shoot video on the Metro.
Metro 2008-2012
R.I.P
“At this stop, passengers have to wait on long lines in the hours of the morning to buy or reload their payment card to board the train which, according to the information provided by the Office for the reorganization of transport (Opret), is carrying 100,000 people daily.”
It’s still only 100,000 far off the 250,000 promised; in rush hour a Bottle Neck due to Poor planning not unlike the traffic Jams exacerbated by the elevated Highways and Tunnel at were built to alleviate them!
“Does not respond”
“For two days, it was not possible to locate the Opret, engineer Leonel Carrasco, Assistant Director so he could inform us whether there was any plan to avoid the situation described. This officer did not answer more than ten calls to his cell phone.”
PLD “efficiency” and customer service at its best!
Where did you read it was 250K? I read that the initial estimates were 200K, for Line 1 of Metro Santo Domingo, but then revised to 175K. But this is the first time I hear about 250K
“Economic Meeting”
“They point out that construction Metro was not the best choice”
"Jhael Isa, especializado en transporte, dijo que una línea del Metro está preparada para mover diariamente 250,000 pasajeros, mientras la que va desde Villa Mella al Centro de los Héroes apenas llega los 95,000."
"Jhael Isa, specialized in transport, said that a line of the Metro is prepared to move 250,000 passengers daily while the one running from Villa Mella to the center of the Heroes barely reaches the 95,000."
"Encuentro Económico"
"Señalan que construcción Metro no era mejor opción"
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Don’t mention it anytime!