Santo Domingo.- A study on the Santo Domingo Metro(subway) found that commuters get substantial savings in time and easier mobility, there are fewer traffic jams, pollution and road accidents, spurs the local economy and the transfer of technology.
Carl Allen, author of "The metro and the impacts of integration of mass transitt system in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic" stresses that benefits properly implemented projects such as the feeder buses for Metro Line 1 have the potential to significantly increase all those benefits.
He said however, that in general, it also requires a substantial increase in the number of riders.
But the Metro’s planned capacity of more than 200,000 passengers per day fell way short in 2010, when the Transit Reform Office (OPRET) estimated just 65,000 passengers on weekdays, for 17.5 million dduring the entire first year.
Allen, quoted by hoy.com.do stressed that number of riders on Line 1 will will presumably increase with the completion of the first part of Line 2 (Los Alcarrizos to the west until Maximo Gomez Av. along Duarte highway and Kennedy Av.), which had been scheduled for completion in 2012.
Although originally designed to cover the St. Louis (east)-Los Alcarrizos route, lack of time and money meant that line 2 will only reach until the Padre Castellanos bridge (La 17), from the “Kilometro 9” interchange on the Duarte Highway.
Construction of the first Metro line cost of just under $ 700 million in three years time.
Allen, speaking at the Global Foundation for Democracy and Development (FUNGLODE) said the subway’s annual operating costs were US$36 million in 2009 and a US$25 million subsidy that year.
Impact
He added that subway passengers affirm saving more than one hour on average roundtrip, and cost 22 pesos in bus fare.
From: United States
Oh Joseaaaaaaaaaannnnn......the metro is calling youuuuuu...!
From: Dominican Republic
Where's the TRAIN between Santo Domingo and Puerto Plata, making stops in between each major city and town?
Food for thought
From: Dominican Republic
I second that where is that blowhard Josean. That ignorant fool has spouted his BS on this subject for years. Wake up you imbecile the rest of the civilized world uses a form of the Metro as a major form of controlling and economizing the daily transit of its citizens in major cities. They not only cut down on pollution, accidents, costs and time they are logical when you have an overcrowded city. This moron once called me stupid. Let me tell you what is stupid-dolts like him who live in a constant form of a fantasy world where education, knowledge and change are frowned upon. Wake up you simpleton the color of the politician in this day and age is irrelevant. Intelligence and open-mindedness far outweighs the color of your political party. What a jamoche!
Written by: juanb, 16 Jan 2013 12:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic
You'll notice this is a Funglode sponsored report.
From: United States, NJ
To go where, if there are no jobs?. It looks as clean as a museum,because there is no usage.
If operating cost were US$36 mns.-US$25mns subsidy for a total balance of of US$11mns. What was the interest paid to the lender? Lets' assume to be 5% interest at least on a $700 =$35 mns per year-$11=$24 in the red,the borrower would have to pay out of the gvt funds.This is one of the reasons the tax increased came about plus all the botellas still in existance from previous administration.
From: United States, NJ
kewrunner:
The proposed Sto Dgo -Pto Pta run is meant mainly for (Cargo) from the Cibao region to Pto Pta
as well as to feed Sto Dgo growing population.
Besides we will never see it built as long as the greety Capitalenos rather import their produce
from Central America at twice its cost plus transport as long as they get a kick back,as they did 2 yrs ago importing furniture from Mexico,when they could as well had it build in DR .
They should get out of DRCAFTA agreement that does not beneffits them,on the cotrary hurts them.
Food for thought
From: Germany, Koblenz, Rheinland-Pfalz
Benwaballs, now you talk, I am 200% with you, you are starting to like me ... ^_^
But please, be no so hard on Josean, he has no vision whatsoever.
Do you know the Preservation Momentum Law ... Josean has been riding on Burros since ever, you can beam him up and he will never lose that Burro sensations' LOL.
Written by: RonEvane 
, 16 Jan 2013 1:31 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Mr. Thelmo, with all due respect to you, it seems you’re living in the past when “conchos” and “voladoras” were the main form of transport.
To prosper a city and society, one must keep up with the times. What worked yesterday does not necessarily fit in today’s scheme of things. To prosper, we must change. And this is part of a change that requires the most advanced equipment and techniques available. It must be in place to enable us to take that next step into the future of our economical and societal prosperity.
It may seem to you (and other nitwits polluting this site), that this Metro is a waste, an albatross with no reason for being. Au contraire, sir, this is a necessary pain; that it is part of the growth and the evolution of our little banana republic, into a nation with the potential to become great.
Written by: RonEvane , 16 Jan 2013 1:34 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
The process of educating our children is in the works and being expedited by our present government. Once we become better educated, we will invariably become more industrialized, and the convenience of our Metro will be more the reason for this advancement, than not.
Whatever the reason for building it, matters not. What’s important is that it is there to serve us well, and to advance our impetus for a progressive, forward-looking society that will take us into the next level of affluence and delight in being whom we’ve become: ..First-world citizens!
From: Germany, Koblenz, Rheinland-Pfalz
Well put RonEvane, and last but not least, we should not forget that there are financial institutions backing those projects, and nobody would dare to break the rules, if they say this project has green light; you can't come with other one up (!)
They are the one that decide where to put their Money.
Written by: josean, 16 Jan 2013 1:44 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"He said however, that in general, it also requires a substantial increase in the number of riders."
"But the Metro’s planned capacity of more than 200,000 passengers per day fell way short in 2010, when the Transit Reform Office (OPRET) estimated just 65,000 passengers on weekdays, for 17.5 million dduring the entire first year."
Even the Paid FUNGLODE PRURPLE Bull Shitter has admited its a FAILURE!
PS
Sweatyballs your still STUPID and Gullible!
From: Dominican Republic
MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier,
Where do you get your numbers? In an interview for "Nuevo Diario", Mr. Carrasco, from OPRET, states that $8 million pesos ($198,264.80) is the current amount of the subsidy. I mean, we can argue day and night about the possible political motivations behind its construction, but it will be simply silly to question its utility and benefits on the most populated city in Dominican Rep.
"elnuevodiario.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=314173"
From: Dominican Republic, Dominican Republic
If you know anything about how new urban rail lines work, you know that these systems take years to get up to full capacity.
Potential riders don't all switch to the new system instantly. It take time. It also takes time for more businesses and residential developments to locate along the line to take advantage of the improved service.
Also, it takes time - sometimes decades - for the full system to be built. Each line added brings more riders to all the lines because riders can transfer and make trips to more destinations.
Unfortunately, the DR seems to be making one common mistake that many mass transit agencies make. That is not developing a good system of feeder buses around transit stations so that many more potential riders can easily use the system.
This is a good way to increase ridership, but too often the government has run out of money or wants to keep necessary subsidies down to avoid criticism. Very short-sighted, but common, even in the U.S.
From: United States, NJ
RonEvane:
It seems a guy that never worked in the NYCTA such as you is telling me that worked it for 39 years about how a system should be in order to work. Forget about all your rethtoric and get the facts. This is a WHITE ELEPHANT from start. You don't reach civilization on borrowing US$700, nor do you educate your people by sending them abroad to do their post graduate and still bragg about been the continent first University.
DR has a long way to go in every aspect in order to call it as you say "first world citizen"borrowing
is not the way to go,but getting rid of 300,000 botellas is .By the way I left the country when it was 3millions and the capital was 300,000 there fore those conchos and voladoras you speak of were not in existance in Trujillo's days nor was there a need for a METRO since all its inhabitants were mostly farmers and were attending their farms,nor did they have such an influx of HAITIANS in the cities,but in the BATEYES !!
From: United States, NJ
Arcangel96:
First of all am going by the numbers stated above by MR Allen at the (FUNGLODE),not by Mr Carrasco who could tell you anything to keep in good grace.If there is a discrepancy on what the gvt says and what an outsider says it is not my fault. The fact is you don't build anything unless there is a dire need for it, obiously there isn't when it has not moved the expected amount of passengers as calcuolated,not even at half a dollar a ride.
From: United States, NJ
tschotschua:
Finacial institution are there by the millions providing you give them the entire country as collateral
to a point ,for the same reason all loans for the METRO came to a stop at the end of 2012 and the
DR President had to bail them out by promissing to complete phase 2 .
From: United States, NJ
Carpintero:
"if you know anything about how new urban rail lines work ,you know this system takes years to get up to full capacity"
Meaning what ? the DR Metro has to be on a stand by for years before it can get its 200,000 passengers a day as calculated ?
Your 2nd paragraph does not applly since the lines are built as needed ,not the other way around.
Your 3rd paragraph does not apply either, since it took 3 years to build the METRO why weight
decades for the completion of the network?
I am in full agreement with your 4th paragraph.
Your 5th and last paragraph is again stipulating the gvt as the only investor in DR for mass transit
Don't they have private non subsidies that want to invest in public transportation? Am sorry but in the USA when it comes to transportation criticism is the least. (no comparison)
From: Dominican Republic
MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier,
You wrote,
"The fact is you don't build anything unless there is a dire need for it". Wow! So how much more chaos will suffice, in your opinion, to start addressing the public transportation problem in Santo Domingo? I thought we were way pass "dire need". Moreover, I thought that when it comes to most things, what's preferred is to be pro-active and be ahead of the curve, not the opposite.
Now, it might be the case that the 200K figure was initially a little optimistic, but the trend seems to be more passengers overtime. I think I read somewhere that we are around 120K currently. I think that once the second line enters operations, this figure will be easily achieved.
From: United States
" the Transit Reform Office (OPRET) estimated just 65,000 passengers on weekdays"
So, josie's Ano..a way of transportation for 65000 Dominicans to go to work and study people is useless?
Please , dont give me any B.S. answer..
From: United States, NJ
Arcangel96:
Had the need been there as you say, how come they did not fill the calculated quota of 200,000?
Why not do it as in NYC where it will cost any one entering the city $12 dollars plus parking ,this
way will force people to leave their cars home and take public transportantion, this includes CEO.
It will cost them just as much going from borough to borough by car paying bridges and tunnels.
While it only cost them $3 dollars by train and ride all day,and transfer at no cost. Force them to
leave the yipetas home,government employees as well as VIP.Feeder buses is a must and from
each station
At this stage the way the Latins think they will not board a vehicle with a peon. There is still that
class system and mentality left by the Spaniards not only in DR but all over Latin America.
From: United States, NJ
I have been all over Latin America and the population seems to be more where the Central gvt is
situated, seems as if all the tax money stays at the capital, A good example is the capital of Peru,
Lima where the the population is that of the entire DR and have no Metro.
From: United States
@Josie's Ano: yeah , we shouldn't follow the international experts studies and follow the ""wise guy" and his paranoiac world of Josie's Ano
@Thelmo : I agree with you , but Lima have a horrible transportation as well.That means poor urban planning and development....So it shouldn't be an intelligent example to follow..
From: Dominican Republic, Dominican Republic
MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier:
My main point was that it normally takes time for a mass transit rail system to attract its full potential ridership. To criticize if for not achieving that number of riders when it first opens is not valid. Rome wasn't built in a day.
The question of whether Santo Domingo needs a subway system is another question. It seems to me it does as traffic just gets worse despite constant construction of more roads, overpasses, tunnels, etc.
It's also a separate issue whether it was wise to borrow the money to build the Metro. I suspect that 20 years from now people will be glad the country did so.
From: United States, NJ
Carpintero:
I know ROME was not build in one day ,it expanded as the need were there, even they had better HW & aqueducts system than DR going back 2000 yrs.You know why? because it was run by EMPERORS, such as Trujillo. You do it as you were told or die.Nor did they steal from the State
as it is done today,since that money was sacred and people had pride, honor, patriotism.
Maybe in 20 years from now the acrew interest along will be so high on the loans that they would have to re-mortgage the entire Island to pay it instead of the 40% presently. At that time your grand
kids will be up to their necks paying taxes and will be cursing the past miss-administrations.
Am not against it had it properly been planned, it seems to me in DR they first execute then plan as they go. That is poor leadeship and engineering,just to take advantage of cheap Haitian labor.
Written by: josean, 16 Jan 2013 8:28 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Mr. Rancier,
Thank you for trying to educate these PURPLE KNOW NOTHINGS!
Written by: RonEvane , 16 Jan 2013 8:29 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
"It seems a guy that never worked in the NYCTA such as you is telling me that worked it for 39 years about how a system should be in order to work"
In that case, Mr. Thelmo, You of all people should know better as to the importance of a mass transport system.
I DON'T KNOW how such a system is supposed to work, but I don't have to. What I know for sure is that we in SD have gone way past the "dire need" to have this "useless" Metro, in place.
I don't know what you'd have prefer we do. Do you think we could have been better off without it? If so, tell us why and what you've have done to alleviate SD's traffic problems, instead.
I'll wait for your concrete and logical explanations to solve this conundrum. Go ahead, enlighten me with the knowledge gleamed from the 39 years you worked the NYCTA.
Written by: josean, 16 Jan 2013 8:33 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
SaysArcangel96,
"I think I read somewhere that we are around 120K currently."
In GOD we trust all others bring DATA!
Or at least provide the links to the non-rectal source!
From: Dominican Republic
MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier,
I think your suggestions will have limited success in DR, not because they are bad but impractical at this time. The problem is, as I see it, is that while NYC has a well established mass transportation system, Santo Domingo only has one line (two in a couple of months). This is not enough to implement your suggestions. Once the complete Metro system is in place and feeder lines completed, reaching all corners of the city, then we can revisit that topic. Now, your comment about the wealthy "Latins" not wanting to share a ride with poor people, is nothing exclusive to "Latins" but more to do with rich people having money. I don't think that you will find many of the Fortune 500 CEOS taking public transportation to save $150 a month in parking.
Written by: josean, 16 Jan 2013 8:42 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Big Lie:
"Santo Domingo.- A study on the Santo Domingo Metro(subway) found that commuters get substantial savings in time and easier mobility, there are fewer traffic jams, pollution and road accidents, spurs the local economy and the transfer of technology."
Big Contradiction that verifies The Big Lie:
"But the Metro’s planned capacity of more than 200,000 passengers per day fell way short in 2010, when the Transit Reform Office (OPRET) estimated just 65,000 passengers on weekdays, for 17.5 million dduring the entire first year."
Conclusion PURPLE BS to justify a poorly planned non priority unsustainable Financial albatross!
From: Dominican Republic
josean,
My apologies, it was actually from this video titled "Diandino Peña de OPRET - El metro tiene 120 mil usuarios diarios" fast forward to (05.00 minute)
Here is the link...
"youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CilmGFnll-Y"
From: United States
Wao josie's Ano:
Because you are such a good strategic person ,with a master in urban planing and transportation, , how are you planning to replace the transportation to those 120 ,000 souls every single day ?
I got an idea: we disappear the 4% of the national budget that you were claiming for education,and buy a car for everybody!..So we can have a worse traffic jams everyday!
Right?
Idiot!
Written by: josean, 16 Jan 2013 8:58 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Its only "allegedly" 65,000 PURPLE IDIOT!
From: United States, NJ
OK here we go....All these are directly or indirectly affecting the Metro
#1- Get rid of all the useless BOTELLAS
#2- deminish the 650.000 gvt employees to no more than 300,000 as is done in CHILE twice its population.
#3 - Plan ahead before you start digging just to exploit the Haitian population.
#4- Build Power Plants for its exclusive use, paralleling its construction,so you don't have to depend on the grid. if the national grid goes the metro still take people to work,if there is any.
#5- Have coordinated construction supervisor over the CONTRACTORS (CONTRACT COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT)
#6-At the tunnels and as needed have exits to the streets for access to the fire department to evacuate in case of fire in form of (M/H) to the cat walk & splicing joints.
#7- Big automatic extrctors to pull the smoke out in case of fire.
#8-Super pumps to drain water since SD is at sea level you don't want flooding.
From: Dominican Republic
Josean,
Why would you say that commuters will not save time and money using the Metro? Cuantos carros publicos desde "Villa Mella" hasta "La Feria"? Cuanto tiempo se toma la misma ruta en una voladora?
Written by: josean, 16 Jan 2013 9:19 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
The point is that the hyped number to 250,000 daily riders have not materialized: now they estimate 65,000 at best!
Why should someone in Puerto Plata, Santiago, San Fransisco, San Pedro, La Romana ect. subsidize PURPLE "nono" riders in Santo Domingo?
From: United States
JosiesAno: 120 mil de acuerdo a arcangel..
Por favor aprende a leer..
so, you haven't finish giving me an answer of how to move those 120 k souls everyday..
Maybe you should by a ton of mulas with your expertise , to move everybody in Santo Domingo like that in the 21 st century .Right?
idiot!
From: Dominican Republic
MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier,
Points #1 and #2 are no brainers, although not exclusive to the construction of the Metro. Even before the Metro construction people have been pointing out these issues. Point #3 don't know of any cases where Metro related diggings were done just because. Point #4 was done. The metro have their own circuit. Point #5 is pretty sensible. Do you know if this is not the current case? Also, same thing for the rest of your points. I don't think the city of Santo Domingo is considered to be at sea level (14meters above water) the problem is that our drainage sucks.
From: United States, NJ
cont.
#9- Build (M/H) every 250 ft the length of a city block and parallel to the train run for splicing cables as well as evacuation of the passengers,as well as iron ladders attached to the cement chimney.
#19- Have multiple barns to wash and maintain the cars supplied with parts as needed.
#11- Have first aid clinic for its workers as well as the passengers in case of fatality.
#12- Have feeders buses at every station for distribution around the capital
#13- have a school for all its specialization of the maintance of the system as in B'klyn ps 247.
#14- Have Civil Service entrance test as well as promotional to avoid nepotism.
#15- Have the technicians learned the system abroad,untill the technical institute picks up,Don't do it like (Trujillo's Armeria Dominicana).Once the tech had a better deal they left for the STATES.
#16-Equal pay as those in the same field abroad..
cont
Written by: RonEvane , 16 Jan 2013 9:37 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Mr. Thelmo.
I'm not understanding what your stance is concerning our Metro. Are you for it , or against it.??
I asked you what you would have us do, in place of it, in order to help solve SD's transport problems.
You're giving us suggestions as to how to improve it. Important suggestions that they are, it is NOT what I asked...
What I did ask is, if you're AGAINST the idea of having built this Metro, I want you to tell us WHY!
Me explico?
From: United States, NJ
Arcangel96:
If the drainage sucks then fix it before anything, same as having its unique power supply tied in to the Hospitals as was Kent,pp,59th st PP and 74th st PP in NYC.
#1,#2 are the most important since had it been done there would be no need for borrowing all those millions.The metro might have their own ckt but if there is no juice there is no ckt ok. You people repeat like parrots( all a ckt is a designated power supplied from an existing power source.) no more no less, Not like some fool at the beguining was told it contains its own power.
BS it is either AC or DC no other power is there !!
I don't post for the sake of an argument . I was asked by Mr RonEvane and I gave him some of my experience in this field. If you think you have better ideas as how to run the system we welcome it,
Written by: RoyStone, 16 Jan 2013 9:57 PM
From: Australia
An article on the Metro and Josean is poster number 12?
Sleeping on the job?
From: United States, NJ
Mr RonEvan am for it in a big way but not half done as left out because they ran out of money.Also providing all those points are met.
Supposed there isn't any more money to lend,because lock of payments or they have maxed out the credit limit?
Where are the Brazilian buses that were supposed to follow as feeders from every station?
From: Dominican Republic
MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier,
It has its own emergency power. So if the ITABO-Haina circuits fails, it has backups. Also, it is my understanding that, in addition to the substation at "La Isabela" their is another one providing electricity to the system. I'm not claiming that I have better ideas on how to run the Santo Domingo Metro system, I just don't think it was done haphazardly.
From: Dominican Republic
The following link contains a picture of the current location of the buses. (post 253)
skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=98425444#post98425444
They are located on the Dominican Naval Base "27 de Febrero"
Written by: RonEvane , 16 Jan 2013 10:47 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Really? why are they still sitting there and not what they were intended for?
What is OPRET waiting for?
Written by: RonEvane , 16 Jan 2013 10:58 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
"Supposed there isn't any more money to lend,because lock of payments or they have maxed out the credit limit?"
Mr. Thelmo, that should be the least of our worries. The govt will not let this showcase of a mega project sit idle for lack of money! It just ain't gonna happen. Our national prestige is at stake. ..not to mention the chaos it'll cause, if it "derailed" for any reason.
From: Dominican Republic
josean,
you wrote,
Why should someone in Puerto Plata, Santiago, San Fransisco, San Pedro, La Romana ect. subsidize PURPLE "nono" riders in Santo Domingo?
If we follow your line of thinking, nothing will ever get done anywhere in the country. (or any country) Why build a road in Montecristi, if no one in Higuey will use it and vice-versa. Again, I understand that you don't agree on the possible political motivations behind it (or not), but to argue that a Metro System does not work in addressing the transportation needs of people in large cities goes against logic and the many examples around the world.
From: Dominican Republic
RonEvane,
I'm not sure if your question was addressed to me but, I think the infrastructure for the bus feeders are not done yet. I think that after line 2 starts operating, the OPRET will concentrate on the feeder lines. I speculate is a question of money.
Written by: josean, 16 Jan 2013 11:17 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Written by: RoyStone, 16 Jan 2013 9:57 PMFrom: Australia
An article on the Metro and Josean is poster number 12?Sleeping on the job?
Roy,
The METRO has only an estimated 65,000 daily "nono" supporters; so 9,935,000 Dominicans are probably on my side, so I don't have to work so hard!
From: Dominican Republic
RoyStone,
Correction 120k as of 2012. 65k is a figure from 2010. :)
From: United States, NJ
Arcange;96 :
That is not what he said. The road in Montecristi is needed to exploit the tourism as well as for future mega projects the gvt has in miind. So happens that other countries as you said are self sufficient in every sence of the word.
When the (ALCALDEZA) of BOGOTA,COLOMBIA population over 6mns, visited the DR METRO she was impressed but failed to realized that in Colombia you have such institution called democracy to sertain extent.At least more than DR where they have provincial elections.not appt.
She could not build a Metro without their parlament giving the ok since that was national money.
Not like Fernandez who appointed all the governors deputies and Senators and they voted for
it at national expense.The same happens in the other Latin countries where if you want something build it has to come out of your own budget. Medellin in the other hand had theirs build without national support and almost went broke and had to refinance their debts a few times.
From: United States
No josie's Ano..You are a neurotic super pessimist individual...
Everybody love progress in our nation..And everybody love a solution of chaotic transportation so far...
Or do you want to have a Havana public transportation? 50 people on the back on a big Chevy 55 truck..
Nobody wants to be riding a mule on everyday basics either..
9,999,999 are NOT on your side
Written by: RonEvane , 16 Jan 2013 11:43 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
"I'm not sure if your question was addressed to me but, I think the infrastructure for the bus feeders are not done yet."
Yes, thank you, Arcangel, it was. Next question: What is this "infrastructure" supposed to be. What is it that needs building, in terms of accommodating these buses?
From: Dominican Republic
MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier,
I don't think I miss understood what he said. Josean wrote,
"Why should someone in Puerto Plata, Santiago, San Fransisco, San Pedro, La Romana ect. subsidize PURPLE "nono" riders in Santo Domingo?"
In other words, why should they pay for something they will not directly use, if the only beneficiaries will allegedly be, according to Josean, non-working members of PLD riders in Santo Domingo. I think he was pretty clear.
From: United States, NJ
What ever it meant am not into politics (i hate it ) all politicians are crooks and in order to steal they
become lawyers to BS the ignorants to no end .
From: Dominican Republic
RonEvane,
That is part of what I got from blogs and some articles. They need places around the city where to storage them and provide maintenance among other things.
" El director ejecutivo de la unidad Ejecutorias del Financiamiento del BID, Milciades Pérez Polanco, detalló que el primer corredor de alimentación que fue concebido sale de Sabana Perdida norte y sur, otro que viene de La Victoria, el de Haras Nacionales, que pasará por Villa Mella; el de Punta, que parte de la carretera Yamasá con entrada al Higüero, y el último, que sale de la parte norte de Los Guarícanos.
Pérez Polanco informó que se adquirieron cinco solares en cada uno de los sectores para los “dormitorios” de las busetas, por lo que solamente falta que lleguen para implementar el sistema."
"listin.com.do/la-republica/2011/3/29/182771/La-OMSA-y-el-Metro-se-quedan-cortos-en-los-servicios"
From: United States
The Clintons want a Metro for Pt Prince, Haiti..
They will be sending Dominican advisors to provide their input.
Josean will be in charge and direct the entourage of experts
Written by: RoyStone, 17 Jan 2013 8:43 AM
From: Australia
josean,
Silence is consent, not descent.
Written by: ingle23 , 17 Jan 2013 8:48 AM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
Everybody love progress in our nation..And everybody love a solution of chaotic transportation so far... (Another excerpt of Boca e' burro magic functional writing skills).
BTW, Most folks here, transparent of their political views, will agree that WE CANNOT STOP progress. However, there must be a balance of infrastructure improvements/upgrades and social-economic developments.
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2013 9:32 AM
From: United States, NYC
Roy, once the system is fully built out, something like 6 lines-I believe-and the feeder buses are in operation, the rational transportation mess of SD will appear a very distant memory.
Big chaotic cities like SD require mass transit; there no better alternatives available to move so many people at the efficiency-levels required.
Again, it will take time, perhaps 20 years worth, before the system is fully built out. Still need at least 4 more lines, so at one line per term, that's 16 years, I'm saying 20 is probably more like it. So think 2028-32.
By then, the SD -to Santiago railroad should also be in operation, perhaps even extended to PP, Manzanillo Port, Samana by way of Santiago and San Francisco.
It will take time.
Tiempo al tiempo.
Written by: ingle23 , 17 Jan 2013 10:50 AM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
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From: United States, brooklyn, NY
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From: United States, NJ
RonEvane:
On 12/1/12
While on a cruise to Santa Barbara de Samana,I noticed brand new buses in which I travelled,
Brazilian made and I was told by the driver the fleet belongs to a Dr X . I am sure it is part of the
feeder program used for the tourist . It was so new it even smelled new.
I would not doubt the fleet has been appropiated by sertain political groups as their own,but the
busses are in DR and not in service for the general public. I guess they are afraid they will be ruined in no time if placed at the mercy of Sto Dgo pot holes,as well as the general public.Again this is typical (Dominicanada)
In a way these buses are not made for city services,but long distance travel,as they are the pullman type ,not stop and go,as the ones used in NYC.. Hard plastc seats for the average Joe not to slash them or for every day usage in narrow corridors as the H D Motor cycles bought to serve in the HW and wre used to patrol the OLD COLONIAL CITY, and couldn't make a 180 turn.
Written by: josean, 17 Jan 2013 5:54 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
I hope the So Called Feeder Buses are not the Victims of the Same Narco-Lie-onel and PLD Inefficiency as the AMBULANCES:
Ambulances sitting idle
There is a major problem in the country with a shortage of ambulances in hospitals such as Dario Contreras, Moscoso Puello, Luis Eduardo Aybar, Juan Pablo Pina, Rafael J. Manon, San Vicente de Paul, Boca Chica Maternity, Luis Morillo King and others.
The Minister of Public Health, Freddy Hidalgo, said that the 50 ambulances that can be seen parked at the baseball stadium in the capital, were bought during the last government and have not been assigned to the hospitals because they are changing the system of transporting patients. He said that he hoped more ambulances would arrive next month.
continued:
Written by: josean, 17 Jan 2013 5:55 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
He said that the reason for the delay in issuing them is that they will no long transfer passengers in an ambulance without any form of assistance for the patient during the journey and added that a system for distributing the ambulances to the emergency centers has been created by the Ministry with two already working, one in Higuey and one in Barahona.
He went on to say that in the next few days they would distribute the ambulances to the main hospitals.
However, according to El Caribe, the ambulances parked in Quisqueya stadium have deteriorated due to prolonged exposure to the elements. The tires are flat, the paint is rusting and peeling off and it appears that some have had parts robbed.
DR1
Written by: josean, 17 Jan 2013 6:00 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
El Caribe » Ambulancias sin uso a la espera de un plan
elcaribe.com.do/2013/01/17/ambulancias-sin-uso
Las unidades tienen años parqueadas en el estadio Quisqueya mientras hay hospitales que carecen de este medio.
The Units (ambulances) have been parked for years at Quisqueya Stadium while hospitals go
without this service.
"THE TIRES ARE FLAT, THE PAINT IS RUSTING AND PEELING OFF AND IT APPEARS THAT SOME HAVE HAD PARTS ROBBED."
This is Criminal in any other country with a miniscule amount of the Rule of Law.
You see why we need FORENSIC Accounting before more TAX MUGGINGS!
From: Dominican Republic
RonEvane,
Take a look at this video... they talk about the feeder lines and Bus rapid transit (BRT) system.
"certvdominicana.com/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=529&task=videodirectlink&id=799"
Written by: RonEvane , 17 Jan 2013 11:48 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Thank you, Arcangel.
Interesting talk by a foreign expert in mass transit. We're still far from taming our traffic beast, but when the 2nd line is completed, and feeder bus lines come into use, the traffic chaos will begin to lessen in intensity and magnitude.
Much still needs upgrading. See Mr. Thelmo's suggestions for details.
From: United States, NJ
RonEvane:Arcangel96 continue
#17- An( M/R) methods and results department
A-Technical computerized library reference to the equipment used by the METRO accessible to the engineers,technicians of the operation and maintanance and trouble shooting of same.
B- Computerized Blue Print Room 3D for updating blue prints as they are updated by the field techs,and placed in the system for all pretaining personnel to have access to.
C-Qualification list for promotions held by master craftmen as well as up to date technical knowledge,to avoid nepotism,cronysm. (CIVIL SERVICE TEST TO BE GIVEN EVERY 2 YEARS)
D- Rolling stucks of parts & equipments to be replaced as needed instead of waiting to be shipped from abroad in order to keep the trains actively moving,time is precious.
E-At the BARNS perform maintanance during the night where traffic is less,for both trains,busses.
Also create ,at this time small ELECTROLYSIS specialized group to spot metal corrution & fix it.
Written by: RonEvane , 20 Jan 2013 3:06 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Mr. Thelmo. You've got my vote for head of Metro's technical dpt.!
From: United States, NJ
RonEvans
Ron and you the Board of Education Nation Wide !
From: United States, NJ
RonEvane,Arcangel96
#18-Over 170 U/G under ground S/S sub-stations were build by W/H,G/E,E/E all solid state over the pass 30 years.They were positioned near by the 3rd rail to avoid transmission lost and efficiency in delivering,no more need for long feeds. Capacity of @ is 5MW x2 at each s/s,following the same principle as the IND system.All these for more power required for the Air
Condition system for each subway car.
As you might know all the NYC subway system is DC for more traction & greater motor torque once rectified, fed either by Edison,PSE&G.or LITLco.
In the last 20 years 333w 53rd st as command post was built to accomodate all System Operation
3 system control power center BMT,IRT,IND moved from 126 W 53rd st under p-300 and then p400.Followed by Train Master at 54th st controlled command Center 10 years later moved from Jay st B'klyn.
All these control centers are Fibre Optics and computerazed.Less human errors but more monitored since all remote control S/S.
Written by: RoyStone, 20 Jan 2013 6:41 PM
From: Australia
Hey Thelmo,
stop confusing us with facts and figures - it's faith and fanfare that matters in the Duminican Republic!
Written by: RonEvane , 20 Jan 2013 7:06 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Mr. Thelmo, I doubt much we'll have all those checks and counters in place to equalize and harmonize our Metro system. But a few of your suggestions (that I could understand), made sense and hope they're implemented.
From: United States, NJ
RoyStone,RonEvane:
I promiss not to confuse you with facts and figures,but even if 10% of what I pointed out is implemented,then it is a success.
I just want to point out as many Dominicans are under the miss conseption of the Metro providing its own power and to stop using (ckts) circuits as a form of self sustain system. It is only a via-duct sort of speaking or HW to send electricity thru from another generating facility under the same grid system. That a S/S is not a power plant as ARCANGEL96 thinks,it is mearly a distribution facility for the consumers to top electricity from.
Mr RonEvane:
Your answer on how to fix the transportation system in Sto Dgo lies in the FEEDER system of busses for the metro as i was asked by Mr Ron,to give him a suggestion.
Get those busses out and start using them, out of the Dominican Naval Base "27 Febrero" before they rust.
Written by: josean, 21 Jan 2013 11:24 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Mr. Rancier,
Educate these "No KnowThings," sir!
Written by: josean, 21 Jan 2013 11:35 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Mr.Rancier I know this issue is also near and dear to your heart: UASD!
In another classical PLD waste of money: after spending $17,000,000 US dollars on "upgrading" the national universities' computer system in 2007 students still can't register online.
La UASD tiene un caos en su sistema informática y miles de estudiantes están afectados
La bachiller Erika Juleisy escribió: “le voy a entrar a galleta al sistema de la UASD”, ya cansada de tratar y no poder hacer uso del servicio automatizado, mientras que Charina De Jesús Mejía dijo “me quede a medias porque su página se dañó”.
21 DE ENERO DEL 2013
acento.com.do/index.php/news/40712/56/La-UASD-tiene-un-caos-en-su-sistema-informatica-y-miles-de-estudiantes-estan-afectados.html
From: United States, NJ
josean:
Thank you.
My pupose of all those postings is not to educate them but to inform them, since they are super educated.
Also there is a draw back in the Latin Mentality when the Metro was implemented. They will not ride with the common workers blue collars when all of them are white collar workers ,"so they think".They did not take into account that the NYC subway was build mainly for poor working class
to transport themselves on the daily bases to and from work,the cheapest way when started was only US$.05 of a dollar.The NYC citizens were at that time European immigrants and had a different mentality That in DR situation was diferent since there is no jobs to go to.That in NYC a plumber,carpenteer,massons,garment worker,brick layer,iron workers teachers etc were the primary wage earners, therefore the main source of income tax.
From: United States, NJ
josean:
This is very interesting information to have at hand and at this rate they want to implement a 911
system nation wide when the University can't even handle it localy.Good luck. Sugestion get rid of
those BOTELLAS in the university as well and hire competent individuals.
From: Dominican Republic
MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier,
Most of your suggestions are very sensible. However, your suggestions imply that because these measures, or equivalents, were not allegedly taken in the construction and/or operation of the Santo Domingo Metro lines, its performance is being affected and/or its safety compromised. We don't know if that is the case or if there are any incidents or accidents, in our Metro system, that will backup your laundry list. What is clear is that the Santo Domingo Metro was not based on the New York City subway. A better comparison would be between it and the Metro system in Madrid Spain. What are they doing in Spain, that we are not doing/implementing in Santo Domingo?
Written by: josean, 22 Jan 2013 1:32 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Like EVERTHING the Narco PLD does; HYPED for the Media and the we believe anything the government says crowd, a non priority, poorly planned and a financially unsustainable albatross!
From: United States
The metro is the BEST thing that happens for the transportation in Santo Domingo.period..
Written by: josean, 22 Jan 2013 2:03 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Not "happens" happened PURPLE MORON!
From: Dominican Republic
ohhhvictor,
Agree.
From: Dominican Republic
It seems that the Santo Domingo Metro has its own generators.
"listin.com.do/la-republica/2008/5/5/57759/Diandino-niega-Metro-use-energia-del-servicio-dirigido-a-la-poblacion"
Written by: josean, 22 Jan 2013 4:27 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Arcangel96 could you get a more current source to confirm the "Electrical Self Sufficiency" of the USELESS METRO than that self serving fluff piece from 2008 generated, no pun intended, by that "objective" spokesperson Diandino Peña!
From: Dominican Republic
josean,
okay..hummm, how about this one...
"tinyurl.com/b8em4hv"
"Cummins Power Generation - Case History Santo Domingo Metro"
Written by: josean, 22 Jan 2013 6:03 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
That's a nice Cummins 2008 Ad but hardly a objective or current, no pun intended, source.
Nice try but No Cigar!
From: United States, NJ
Arcangel96:
If as you say the Metro in Madrid Spain is top of the line in a country that does not suffer from black outs as DR.
No doubt about its modernity still does not compares to NYCTA moving 4,000,000 daily 24/7,365.
I know since I was working when the Spaniard Engineers came to us for advice and I had to be the technical translator.
What they are good at is a high speed train,where we can't match them yet and that would be out of the Metropolitan Madrid. Our subway system is 2nd to London's in age and has to be constantly renovated ,since it was build in 1895 BMTowned by 15 private co & individual sectors ,eventually had to be sold to NYC and in 1903 before FORD had put his cars in the street of NYC.the IRT was build followed by IND in 1935. Nevertheless look at Madrid's economy compared to NYC's.Who rides its Metro, unemployed people? The Metro is build for working people.
As for DR Metro having no accidents yet How could it ? it hardly runs ! Just wait time will tell !
From: Dominican Republic
josean,
I don't know what to tell you, the OPRET claims they bought the generators. The contractor, SAMPOL affirms they built a dedicated power plant ( "sampol.com/noticia.php?id=1"), and the supplier of the generator, Cummins, claimed they provided the generators ("tinyurl.com/b8em4hv"). Plus, the trains exist and have been running all this time, regardless of the blackouts that affect the city. Still no dice??
Written by: josean, 22 Jan 2013 8:06 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
The point is you believe government lies, which is your right and I do not which is mine!
From: United States
We should believe Hipóburro,right Josean?
Written by: josean, 22 Jan 2013 8:36 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
You apparently Do!
From: Dominican Republic
MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier,
Perhaps it does not move as many people as NYC subway, but the Madrid Metro is considered one of the world's best, regardless of their current economic problems.
From: Dominican Republic
josean,
Enough said.
Written by: josean, 22 Jan 2013 8:45 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
IDB pushes DR to prioritize farming and tourism
The Inter-American Development Bank (IDB) has hailed the progress made by the Dominican Republic in the technological transfer of farming techniques, and is calling on the government to give an even higher priority to agricultural and farming production. They also pushed for a higher priority for local tourism. According to El Nuevo Diario, the IDB representative in the country, Manuel Labrado, said that both sectors are showing a growth trend. He said that the "future of the country rests in the farming and tourism sectors because they are the most competitive on the international markets." Labrado was speaking during a ceremony honoring his five years of service in the Dominican Republic hosted by Minister of Agriculture Luis Ramon Rodriguez.
DR1
Wow no mention of USELESS METROS or USELESS MALLS!
Written by: josean, 24 Jan 2013 2:06 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
The METRO Maniacs are going to have a CONNIPSHIT!
More EVIDENCE that the USELESS METRO has done NOTHING to Reduce Fuel Consumption!
“Fuel consumption grew by 2.9% in 2012”
SD. Despite the economic crisis affecting the Dominicans, the consumption of fuels increased 2.9% in 2012 in relation to the same period for the previous year, which represented an increase in consumption of 36.5 million gallons more of fuel.
Read the rest at:
Consumo combustible crece un 2.9% en el 2012
diariolibre.com/economia/2013/01/24/i368651_consumo-combustible-crece-2012.html
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Food for thought
You'll notice this is a Funglode sponsored report.
If operating cost were US$36 mns.-US$25mns subsidy for a total balance of of US$11mns. What was the interest paid to the lender? Lets' assume to be 5% interest at least on a $700 =$35 mns per year-$11=$24 in the red,the borrower would have to pay out of the gvt funds.This is one of the reasons the tax increased came about plus all the botellas still in existance from previous administration.
The proposed Sto Dgo -Pto Pta run is meant mainly for (Cargo) from the Cibao region to Pto Pta
as well as to feed Sto Dgo growing population.
Besides we will never see it built as long as the greety Capitalenos rather import their produce
from Central America at twice its cost plus transport as long as they get a kick back,as they did 2 yrs ago importing furniture from Mexico,when they could as well had it build in DR .
They should get out of DRCAFTA agreement that does not beneffits them,on the cotrary hurts them.
Food for thought
But please, be no so hard on Josean, he has no vision whatsoever.
Do you know the Preservation Momentum Law ... Josean has been riding on Burros since ever, you can beam him up and he will never lose that Burro sensations' LOL.
Mr. Thelmo, with all due respect to you, it seems you’re living in the past when “conchos” and “voladoras” were the main form of transport.
To prosper a city and society, one must keep up with the times. What worked yesterday does not necessarily fit in today’s scheme of things. To prosper, we must change. And this is part of a change that requires the most advanced equipment and techniques available. It must be in place to enable us to take that next step into the future of our economical and societal prosperity.
It may seem to you (and other nitwits polluting this site), that this Metro is a waste, an albatross with no reason for being. Au contraire, sir, this is a necessary pain; that it is part of the growth and the evolution of our little banana republic, into a nation with the potential to become great.
The process of educating our children is in the works and being expedited by our present government. Once we become better educated, we will invariably become more industrialized, and the convenience of our Metro will be more the reason for this advancement, than not.
Whatever the reason for building it, matters not. What’s important is that it is there to serve us well, and to advance our impetus for a progressive, forward-looking society that will take us into the next level of affluence and delight in being whom we’ve become: ..First-world citizens!
They are the one that decide where to put their Money.
"He said however, that in general, it also requires a substantial increase in the number of riders."
"But the Metro’s planned capacity of more than 200,000 passengers per day fell way short in 2010, when the Transit Reform Office (OPRET) estimated just 65,000 passengers on weekdays, for 17.5 million dduring the entire first year."
Even the Paid FUNGLODE PRURPLE Bull Shitter has admited its a FAILURE!
PS
Sweatyballs your still STUPID and Gullible!
Where do you get your numbers? In an interview for "Nuevo Diario", Mr. Carrasco, from OPRET, states that $8 million pesos ($198,264.80) is the current amount of the subsidy. I mean, we can argue day and night about the possible political motivations behind its construction, but it will be simply silly to question its utility and benefits on the most populated city in Dominican Rep.
"elnuevodiario.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=314173"
Potential riders don't all switch to the new system instantly. It take time. It also takes time for more businesses and residential developments to locate along the line to take advantage of the improved service.
Also, it takes time - sometimes decades - for the full system to be built. Each line added brings more riders to all the lines because riders can transfer and make trips to more destinations.
Unfortunately, the DR seems to be making one common mistake that many mass transit agencies make. That is not developing a good system of feeder buses around transit stations so that many more potential riders can easily use the system.
This is a good way to increase ridership, but too often the government has run out of money or wants to keep necessary subsidies down to avoid criticism. Very short-sighted, but common, even in the U.S.
It seems a guy that never worked in the NYCTA such as you is telling me that worked it for 39 years about how a system should be in order to work. Forget about all your rethtoric and get the facts. This is a WHITE ELEPHANT from start. You don't reach civilization on borrowing US$700, nor do you educate your people by sending them abroad to do their post graduate and still bragg about been the continent first University.
DR has a long way to go in every aspect in order to call it as you say "first world citizen"borrowing
is not the way to go,but getting rid of 300,000 botellas is .By the way I left the country when it was 3millions and the capital was 300,000 there fore those conchos and voladoras you speak of were not in existance in Trujillo's days nor was there a need for a METRO since all its inhabitants were mostly farmers and were attending their farms,nor did they have such an influx of HAITIANS in the cities,but in the BATEYES !!
First of all am going by the numbers stated above by MR Allen at the (FUNGLODE),not by Mr Carrasco who could tell you anything to keep in good grace.If there is a discrepancy on what the gvt says and what an outsider says it is not my fault. The fact is you don't build anything unless there is a dire need for it, obiously there isn't when it has not moved the expected amount of passengers as calcuolated,not even at half a dollar a ride.
Finacial institution are there by the millions providing you give them the entire country as collateral
to a point ,for the same reason all loans for the METRO came to a stop at the end of 2012 and the
DR President had to bail them out by promissing to complete phase 2 .
"if you know anything about how new urban rail lines work ,you know this system takes years to get up to full capacity"
Meaning what ? the DR Metro has to be on a stand by for years before it can get its 200,000 passengers a day as calculated ?
Your 2nd paragraph does not applly since the lines are built as needed ,not the other way around.
Your 3rd paragraph does not apply either, since it took 3 years to build the METRO why weight
decades for the completion of the network?
I am in full agreement with your 4th paragraph.
Your 5th and last paragraph is again stipulating the gvt as the only investor in DR for mass transit
Don't they have private non subsidies that want to invest in public transportation? Am sorry but in the USA when it comes to transportation criticism is the least. (no comparison)
You wrote,
"The fact is you don't build anything unless there is a dire need for it". Wow! So how much more chaos will suffice, in your opinion, to start addressing the public transportation problem in Santo Domingo? I thought we were way pass "dire need". Moreover, I thought that when it comes to most things, what's preferred is to be pro-active and be ahead of the curve, not the opposite.
Now, it might be the case that the 200K figure was initially a little optimistic, but the trend seems to be more passengers overtime. I think I read somewhere that we are around 120K currently. I think that once the second line enters operations, this figure will be easily achieved.
" the Transit Reform Office (OPRET) estimated just 65,000 passengers on weekdays"
So, josie's Ano..a way of transportation for 65000 Dominicans to go to work and study people is useless?
Please , dont give me any B.S. answer..
Had the need been there as you say, how come they did not fill the calculated quota of 200,000?
Why not do it as in NYC where it will cost any one entering the city $12 dollars plus parking ,this
way will force people to leave their cars home and take public transportantion, this includes CEO.
It will cost them just as much going from borough to borough by car paying bridges and tunnels.
While it only cost them $3 dollars by train and ride all day,and transfer at no cost. Force them to
leave the yipetas home,government employees as well as VIP.Feeder buses is a must and from
each station
At this stage the way the Latins think they will not board a vehicle with a peon. There is still that
class system and mentality left by the Spaniards not only in DR but all over Latin America.
situated, seems as if all the tax money stays at the capital, A good example is the capital of Peru,
Lima where the the population is that of the entire DR and have no Metro.
@Josie's Ano: yeah , we shouldn't follow the international experts studies and follow the ""wise guy" and his paranoiac world of Josie's Ano
@Thelmo : I agree with you , but Lima have a horrible transportation as well.That means poor urban planning and development....So it shouldn't be an intelligent example to follow..
My main point was that it normally takes time for a mass transit rail system to attract its full potential ridership. To criticize if for not achieving that number of riders when it first opens is not valid. Rome wasn't built in a day.
The question of whether Santo Domingo needs a subway system is another question. It seems to me it does as traffic just gets worse despite constant construction of more roads, overpasses, tunnels, etc.
It's also a separate issue whether it was wise to borrow the money to build the Metro. I suspect that 20 years from now people will be glad the country did so.
I know ROME was not build in one day ,it expanded as the need were there, even they had better HW & aqueducts system than DR going back 2000 yrs.You know why? because it was run by EMPERORS, such as Trujillo. You do it as you were told or die.Nor did they steal from the State
as it is done today,since that money was sacred and people had pride, honor, patriotism.
Maybe in 20 years from now the acrew interest along will be so high on the loans that they would have to re-mortgage the entire Island to pay it instead of the 40% presently. At that time your grand
kids will be up to their necks paying taxes and will be cursing the past miss-administrations.
Am not against it had it properly been planned, it seems to me in DR they first execute then plan as they go. That is poor leadeship and engineering,just to take advantage of cheap Haitian labor.
Mr. Rancier,
Thank you for trying to educate these PURPLE KNOW NOTHINGS!
"It seems a guy that never worked in the NYCTA such as you is telling me that worked it for 39 years about how a system should be in order to work"
In that case, Mr. Thelmo, You of all people should know better as to the importance of a mass transport system.
I DON'T KNOW how such a system is supposed to work, but I don't have to. What I know for sure is that we in SD have gone way past the "dire need" to have this "useless" Metro, in place.
I don't know what you'd have prefer we do. Do you think we could have been better off without it? If so, tell us why and what you've have done to alleviate SD's traffic problems, instead.
I'll wait for your concrete and logical explanations to solve this conundrum. Go ahead, enlighten me with the knowledge gleamed from the 39 years you worked the NYCTA.
SaysArcangel96,
"I think I read somewhere that we are around 120K currently."
In GOD we trust all others bring DATA!
Or at least provide the links to the non-rectal source!
I think your suggestions will have limited success in DR, not because they are bad but impractical at this time. The problem is, as I see it, is that while NYC has a well established mass transportation system, Santo Domingo only has one line (two in a couple of months). This is not enough to implement your suggestions. Once the complete Metro system is in place and feeder lines completed, reaching all corners of the city, then we can revisit that topic. Now, your comment about the wealthy "Latins" not wanting to share a ride with poor people, is nothing exclusive to "Latins" but more to do with rich people having money. I don't think that you will find many of the Fortune 500 CEOS taking public transportation to save $150 a month in parking.
Big Lie:
"Santo Domingo.- A study on the Santo Domingo Metro(subway) found that commuters get substantial savings in time and easier mobility, there are fewer traffic jams, pollution and road accidents, spurs the local economy and the transfer of technology."
Big Contradiction that verifies The Big Lie:
"But the Metro’s planned capacity of more than 200,000 passengers per day fell way short in 2010, when the Transit Reform Office (OPRET) estimated just 65,000 passengers on weekdays, for 17.5 million dduring the entire first year."
Conclusion PURPLE BS to justify a poorly planned non priority unsustainable Financial albatross!
My apologies, it was actually from this video titled "Diandino Peña de OPRET - El metro tiene 120 mil usuarios diarios" fast forward to (05.00 minute)
Here is the link...
"youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CilmGFnll-Y"
Wao josie's Ano:
Because you are such a good strategic person ,with a master in urban planing and transportation, , how are you planning to replace the transportation to those 120 ,000 souls every single day ?
I got an idea: we disappear the 4% of the national budget that you were claiming for education,and buy a car for everybody!..So we can have a worse traffic jams everyday!
Right?
Idiot!
Its only "allegedly" 65,000 PURPLE IDIOT!
#1- Get rid of all the useless BOTELLAS
#2- deminish the 650.000 gvt employees to no more than 300,000 as is done in CHILE twice its population.
#3 - Plan ahead before you start digging just to exploit the Haitian population.
#4- Build Power Plants for its exclusive use, paralleling its construction,so you don't have to depend on the grid. if the national grid goes the metro still take people to work,if there is any.
#5- Have coordinated construction supervisor over the CONTRACTORS (CONTRACT COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT)
#6-At the tunnels and as needed have exits to the streets for access to the fire department to evacuate in case of fire in form of (M/H) to the cat walk & splicing joints.
#7- Big automatic extrctors to pull the smoke out in case of fire.
#8-Super pumps to drain water since SD is at sea level you don't want flooding.
Why would you say that commuters will not save time and money using the Metro? Cuantos carros publicos desde "Villa Mella" hasta "La Feria"? Cuanto tiempo se toma la misma ruta en una voladora?
The point is that the hyped number to 250,000 daily riders have not materialized: now they estimate 65,000 at best!
Why should someone in Puerto Plata, Santiago, San Fransisco, San Pedro, La Romana ect. subsidize PURPLE "nono" riders in Santo Domingo?
JosiesAno: 120 mil de acuerdo a arcangel..
Por favor aprende a leer..
so, you haven't finish giving me an answer of how to move those 120 k souls everyday..
Maybe you should by a ton of mulas with your expertise , to move everybody in Santo Domingo like that in the 21 st century .Right?
idiot!
Points #1 and #2 are no brainers, although not exclusive to the construction of the Metro. Even before the Metro construction people have been pointing out these issues. Point #3 don't know of any cases where Metro related diggings were done just because. Point #4 was done. The metro have their own circuit. Point #5 is pretty sensible. Do you know if this is not the current case? Also, same thing for the rest of your points. I don't think the city of Santo Domingo is considered to be at sea level (14meters above water) the problem is that our drainage sucks.
#9- Build (M/H) every 250 ft the length of a city block and parallel to the train run for splicing cables as well as evacuation of the passengers,as well as iron ladders attached to the cement chimney.
#19- Have multiple barns to wash and maintain the cars supplied with parts as needed.
#11- Have first aid clinic for its workers as well as the passengers in case of fatality.
#12- Have feeders buses at every station for distribution around the capital
#13- have a school for all its specialization of the maintance of the system as in B'klyn ps 247.
#14- Have Civil Service entrance test as well as promotional to avoid nepotism.
#15- Have the technicians learned the system abroad,untill the technical institute picks up,Don't do it like (Trujillo's Armeria Dominicana).Once the tech had a better deal they left for the STATES.
#16-Equal pay as those in the same field abroad..
cont
Mr. Thelmo.
I'm not understanding what your stance is concerning our Metro. Are you for it , or against it.??
I asked you what you would have us do, in place of it, in order to help solve SD's transport problems.
You're giving us suggestions as to how to improve it. Important suggestions that they are, it is NOT what I asked...
What I did ask is, if you're AGAINST the idea of having built this Metro, I want you to tell us WHY!
Me explico?
If the drainage sucks then fix it before anything, same as having its unique power supply tied in to the Hospitals as was Kent,pp,59th st PP and 74th st PP in NYC.
#1,#2 are the most important since had it been done there would be no need for borrowing all those millions.The metro might have their own ckt but if there is no juice there is no ckt ok. You people repeat like parrots( all a ckt is a designated power supplied from an existing power source.) no more no less, Not like some fool at the beguining was told it contains its own power.
BS it is either AC or DC no other power is there !!
I don't post for the sake of an argument . I was asked by Mr RonEvane and I gave him some of my experience in this field. If you think you have better ideas as how to run the system we welcome it,
Sleeping on the job?
Supposed there isn't any more money to lend,because lock of payments or they have maxed out the credit limit?
Where are the Brazilian buses that were supposed to follow as feeders from every station?
It has its own emergency power. So if the ITABO-Haina circuits fails, it has backups. Also, it is my understanding that, in addition to the substation at "La Isabela" their is another one providing electricity to the system. I'm not claiming that I have better ideas on how to run the Santo Domingo Metro system, I just don't think it was done haphazardly.
skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=98425444#post98425444
They are located on the Dominican Naval Base "27 de Febrero"
Really? why are they still sitting there and not what they were intended for?
What is OPRET waiting for?
"Supposed there isn't any more money to lend,because lock of payments or they have maxed out the credit limit?"
Mr. Thelmo, that should be the least of our worries. The govt will not let this showcase of a mega project sit idle for lack of money! It just ain't gonna happen. Our national prestige is at stake. ..not to mention the chaos it'll cause, if it "derailed" for any reason.
you wrote,
Why should someone in Puerto Plata, Santiago, San Fransisco, San Pedro, La Romana ect. subsidize PURPLE "nono" riders in Santo Domingo?
If we follow your line of thinking, nothing will ever get done anywhere in the country. (or any country) Why build a road in Montecristi, if no one in Higuey will use it and vice-versa. Again, I understand that you don't agree on the possible political motivations behind it (or not), but to argue that a Metro System does not work in addressing the transportation needs of people in large cities goes against logic and the many examples around the world.
I'm not sure if your question was addressed to me but, I think the infrastructure for the bus feeders are not done yet. I think that after line 2 starts operating, the OPRET will concentrate on the feeder lines. I speculate is a question of money.
Written by: RoyStone, 16 Jan 2013 9:57 PMFrom: Australia
An article on the Metro and Josean is poster number 12?Sleeping on the job?
Roy,
The METRO has only an estimated 65,000 daily "nono" supporters; so 9,935,000 Dominicans are probably on my side, so I don't have to work so hard!
Correction 120k as of 2012. 65k is a figure from 2010. :)
That is not what he said. The road in Montecristi is needed to exploit the tourism as well as for future mega projects the gvt has in miind. So happens that other countries as you said are self sufficient in every sence of the word.
When the (ALCALDEZA) of BOGOTA,COLOMBIA population over 6mns, visited the DR METRO she was impressed but failed to realized that in Colombia you have such institution called democracy to sertain extent.At least more than DR where they have provincial elections.not appt.
She could not build a Metro without their parlament giving the ok since that was national money.
Not like Fernandez who appointed all the governors deputies and Senators and they voted for
it at national expense.The same happens in the other Latin countries where if you want something build it has to come out of your own budget. Medellin in the other hand had theirs build without national support and almost went broke and had to refinance their debts a few times.
No josie's Ano..You are a neurotic super pessimist individual...
Everybody love progress in our nation..And everybody love a solution of chaotic transportation so far...
Or do you want to have a Havana public transportation? 50 people on the back on a big Chevy 55 truck..
Nobody wants to be riding a mule on everyday basics either..
9,999,999 are NOT on your side
"I'm not sure if your question was addressed to me but, I think the infrastructure for the bus feeders are not done yet."
Yes, thank you, Arcangel, it was. Next question: What is this "infrastructure" supposed to be. What is it that needs building, in terms of accommodating these buses?
I don't think I miss understood what he said. Josean wrote,
"Why should someone in Puerto Plata, Santiago, San Fransisco, San Pedro, La Romana ect. subsidize PURPLE "nono" riders in Santo Domingo?"
In other words, why should they pay for something they will not directly use, if the only beneficiaries will allegedly be, according to Josean, non-working members of PLD riders in Santo Domingo. I think he was pretty clear.
become lawyers to BS the ignorants to no end .
That is part of what I got from blogs and some articles. They need places around the city where to storage them and provide maintenance among other things.
" El director ejecutivo de la unidad Ejecutorias del Financiamiento del BID, Milciades Pérez Polanco, detalló que el primer corredor de alimentación que fue concebido sale de Sabana Perdida norte y sur, otro que viene de La Victoria, el de Haras Nacionales, que pasará por Villa Mella; el de Punta, que parte de la carretera Yamasá con entrada al Higüero, y el último, que sale de la parte norte de Los Guarícanos.
Pérez Polanco informó que se adquirieron cinco solares en cada uno de los sectores para los “dormitorios” de las busetas, por lo que solamente falta que lleguen para implementar el sistema."
"listin.com.do/la-republica/2011/3/29/182771/La-OMSA-y-el-Metro-se-quedan-cortos-en-los-servicios"
They will be sending Dominican advisors to provide their input.
Josean will be in charge and direct the entourage of experts
Silence is consent, not descent.
BTW, Most folks here, transparent of their political views, will agree that WE CANNOT STOP progress. However, there must be a balance of infrastructure improvements/upgrades and social-economic developments.
Roy, once the system is fully built out, something like 6 lines-I believe-and the feeder buses are in operation, the rational transportation mess of SD will appear a very distant memory.
Big chaotic cities like SD require mass transit; there no better alternatives available to move so many people at the efficiency-levels required.
Again, it will take time, perhaps 20 years worth, before the system is fully built out. Still need at least 4 more lines, so at one line per term, that's 16 years, I'm saying 20 is probably more like it. So think 2028-32.
By then, the SD -to Santiago railroad should also be in operation, perhaps even extended to PP, Manzanillo Port, Samana by way of Santiago and San Francisco.
It will take time.
Tiempo al tiempo.
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On 12/1/12
While on a cruise to Santa Barbara de Samana,I noticed brand new buses in which I travelled,
Brazilian made and I was told by the driver the fleet belongs to a Dr X . I am sure it is part of the
feeder program used for the tourist . It was so new it even smelled new.
I would not doubt the fleet has been appropiated by sertain political groups as their own,but the
busses are in DR and not in service for the general public. I guess they are afraid they will be ruined in no time if placed at the mercy of Sto Dgo pot holes,as well as the general public.Again this is typical (Dominicanada)
In a way these buses are not made for city services,but long distance travel,as they are the pullman type ,not stop and go,as the ones used in NYC.. Hard plastc seats for the average Joe not to slash them or for every day usage in narrow corridors as the H D Motor cycles bought to serve in the HW and wre used to patrol the OLD COLONIAL CITY, and couldn't make a 180 turn.
I hope the So Called Feeder Buses are not the Victims of the Same Narco-Lie-onel and PLD Inefficiency as the AMBULANCES:
Ambulances sitting idle
There is a major problem in the country with a shortage of ambulances in hospitals such as Dario Contreras, Moscoso Puello, Luis Eduardo Aybar, Juan Pablo Pina, Rafael J. Manon, San Vicente de Paul, Boca Chica Maternity, Luis Morillo King and others.
The Minister of Public Health, Freddy Hidalgo, said that the 50 ambulances that can be seen parked at the baseball stadium in the capital, were bought during the last government and have not been assigned to the hospitals because they are changing the system of transporting patients. He said that he hoped more ambulances would arrive next month.
continued:
He said that the reason for the delay in issuing them is that they will no long transfer passengers in an ambulance without any form of assistance for the patient during the journey and added that a system for distributing the ambulances to the emergency centers has been created by the Ministry with two already working, one in Higuey and one in Barahona.
He went on to say that in the next few days they would distribute the ambulances to the main hospitals.
However, according to El Caribe, the ambulances parked in Quisqueya stadium have deteriorated due to prolonged exposure to the elements. The tires are flat, the paint is rusting and peeling off and it appears that some have had parts robbed.
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El Caribe » Ambulancias sin uso a la espera de un plan
elcaribe.com.do/2013/01/17/ambulancias-sin-uso
Las unidades tienen años parqueadas en el estadio Quisqueya mientras hay hospitales que carecen de este medio.
The Units (ambulances) have been parked for years at Quisqueya Stadium while hospitals go
without this service.
"THE TIRES ARE FLAT, THE PAINT IS RUSTING AND PEELING OFF AND IT APPEARS THAT SOME HAVE HAD PARTS ROBBED."
This is Criminal in any other country with a miniscule amount of the Rule of Law.
You see why we need FORENSIC Accounting before more TAX MUGGINGS!
Take a look at this video... they talk about the feeder lines and Bus rapid transit (BRT) system.
"certvdominicana.com/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=529&task=videodirectlink&id=799"
Thank you, Arcangel.
Interesting talk by a foreign expert in mass transit. We're still far from taming our traffic beast, but when the 2nd line is completed, and feeder bus lines come into use, the traffic chaos will begin to lessen in intensity and magnitude.
Much still needs upgrading. See Mr. Thelmo's suggestions for details.
#17- An( M/R) methods and results department
A-Technical computerized library reference to the equipment used by the METRO accessible to the engineers,technicians of the operation and maintanance and trouble shooting of same.
B- Computerized Blue Print Room 3D for updating blue prints as they are updated by the field techs,and placed in the system for all pretaining personnel to have access to.
C-Qualification list for promotions held by master craftmen as well as up to date technical knowledge,to avoid nepotism,cronysm. (CIVIL SERVICE TEST TO BE GIVEN EVERY 2 YEARS)
D- Rolling stucks of parts & equipments to be replaced as needed instead of waiting to be shipped from abroad in order to keep the trains actively moving,time is precious.
E-At the BARNS perform maintanance during the night where traffic is less,for both trains,busses.
Also create ,at this time small ELECTROLYSIS specialized group to spot metal corrution & fix it.
Mr. Thelmo. You've got my vote for head of Metro's technical dpt.!
Ron and you the Board of Education Nation Wide !
#18-Over 170 U/G under ground S/S sub-stations were build by W/H,G/E,E/E all solid state over the pass 30 years.They were positioned near by the 3rd rail to avoid transmission lost and efficiency in delivering,no more need for long feeds. Capacity of @ is 5MW x2 at each s/s,following the same principle as the IND system.All these for more power required for the Air
Condition system for each subway car.
As you might know all the NYC subway system is DC for more traction & greater motor torque once rectified, fed either by Edison,PSE&G.or LITLco.
In the last 20 years 333w 53rd st as command post was built to accomodate all System Operation
3 system control power center BMT,IRT,IND moved from 126 W 53rd st under p-300 and then p400.Followed by Train Master at 54th st controlled command Center 10 years later moved from Jay st B'klyn.
All these control centers are Fibre Optics and computerazed.Less human errors but more monitored since all remote control S/S.
stop confusing us with facts and figures - it's faith and fanfare that matters in the Duminican Republic!
Mr. Thelmo, I doubt much we'll have all those checks and counters in place to equalize and harmonize our Metro system. But a few of your suggestions (that I could understand), made sense and hope they're implemented.
I promiss not to confuse you with facts and figures,but even if 10% of what I pointed out is implemented,then it is a success.
I just want to point out as many Dominicans are under the miss conseption of the Metro providing its own power and to stop using (ckts) circuits as a form of self sustain system. It is only a via-duct sort of speaking or HW to send electricity thru from another generating facility under the same grid system. That a S/S is not a power plant as ARCANGEL96 thinks,it is mearly a distribution facility for the consumers to top electricity from.
Mr RonEvane:
Your answer on how to fix the transportation system in Sto Dgo lies in the FEEDER system of busses for the metro as i was asked by Mr Ron,to give him a suggestion.
Get those busses out and start using them, out of the Dominican Naval Base "27 Febrero" before they rust.
Mr. Rancier,
Educate these "No KnowThings," sir!
Mr.Rancier I know this issue is also near and dear to your heart: UASD!
In another classical PLD waste of money: after spending $17,000,000 US dollars on "upgrading" the national universities' computer system in 2007 students still can't register online.
La UASD tiene un caos en su sistema informática y miles de estudiantes están afectados
La bachiller Erika Juleisy escribió: “le voy a entrar a galleta al sistema de la UASD”, ya cansada de tratar y no poder hacer uso del servicio automatizado, mientras que Charina De Jesús Mejía dijo “me quede a medias porque su página se dañó”.
21 DE ENERO DEL 2013
acento.com.do/index.php/news/40712/56/La-UASD-tiene-un-caos-en-su-sistema-informatica-y-miles-de-estudiantes-estan-afectados.html
Thank you.
My pupose of all those postings is not to educate them but to inform them, since they are super educated.
Also there is a draw back in the Latin Mentality when the Metro was implemented. They will not ride with the common workers blue collars when all of them are white collar workers ,"so they think".They did not take into account that the NYC subway was build mainly for poor working class
to transport themselves on the daily bases to and from work,the cheapest way when started was only US$.05 of a dollar.The NYC citizens were at that time European immigrants and had a different mentality That in DR situation was diferent since there is no jobs to go to.That in NYC a plumber,carpenteer,massons,garment worker,brick layer,iron workers teachers etc were the primary wage earners, therefore the main source of income tax.
This is very interesting information to have at hand and at this rate they want to implement a 911
system nation wide when the University can't even handle it localy.Good luck. Sugestion get rid of
those BOTELLAS in the university as well and hire competent individuals.
Most of your suggestions are very sensible. However, your suggestions imply that because these measures, or equivalents, were not allegedly taken in the construction and/or operation of the Santo Domingo Metro lines, its performance is being affected and/or its safety compromised. We don't know if that is the case or if there are any incidents or accidents, in our Metro system, that will backup your laundry list. What is clear is that the Santo Domingo Metro was not based on the New York City subway. A better comparison would be between it and the Metro system in Madrid Spain. What are they doing in Spain, that we are not doing/implementing in Santo Domingo?
Like EVERTHING the Narco PLD does; HYPED for the Media and the we believe anything the government says crowd, a non priority, poorly planned and a financially unsustainable albatross!
The metro is the BEST thing that happens for the transportation in Santo Domingo.period..
Not "happens" happened PURPLE MORON!
Agree.
"listin.com.do/la-republica/2008/5/5/57759/Diandino-niega-Metro-use-energia-del-servicio-dirigido-a-la-poblacion"
Arcangel96 could you get a more current source to confirm the "Electrical Self Sufficiency" of the USELESS METRO than that self serving fluff piece from 2008 generated, no pun intended, by that "objective" spokesperson Diandino Peña!
okay..hummm, how about this one...
"tinyurl.com/b8em4hv"
"Cummins Power Generation - Case History Santo Domingo Metro"
That's a nice Cummins 2008 Ad but hardly a objective or current, no pun intended, source.
Nice try but No Cigar!
If as you say the Metro in Madrid Spain is top of the line in a country that does not suffer from black outs as DR.
No doubt about its modernity still does not compares to NYCTA moving 4,000,000 daily 24/7,365.
I know since I was working when the Spaniard Engineers came to us for advice and I had to be the technical translator.
What they are good at is a high speed train,where we can't match them yet and that would be out of the Metropolitan Madrid. Our subway system is 2nd to London's in age and has to be constantly renovated ,since it was build in 1895 BMTowned by 15 private co & individual sectors ,eventually had to be sold to NYC and in 1903 before FORD had put his cars in the street of NYC.the IRT was build followed by IND in 1935. Nevertheless look at Madrid's economy compared to NYC's.Who rides its Metro, unemployed people? The Metro is build for working people.
As for DR Metro having no accidents yet How could it ? it hardly runs ! Just wait time will tell !
I don't know what to tell you, the OPRET claims they bought the generators. The contractor, SAMPOL affirms they built a dedicated power plant ( "sampol.com/noticia.php?id=1"), and the supplier of the generator, Cummins, claimed they provided the generators ("tinyurl.com/b8em4hv"). Plus, the trains exist and have been running all this time, regardless of the blackouts that affect the city. Still no dice??
The point is you believe government lies, which is your right and I do not which is mine!
You apparently Do!
Perhaps it does not move as many people as NYC subway, but the Madrid Metro is considered one of the world's best, regardless of their current economic problems.
Enough said.
IDB pushes DR to prioritize farming and tourism
The Inter-American Development Bank (IDB) has hailed the progress made by the Dominican Republic in the technological transfer of farming techniques, and is calling on the government to give an even higher priority to agricultural and farming production. They also pushed for a higher priority for local tourism. According to El Nuevo Diario, the IDB representative in the country, Manuel Labrado, said that both sectors are showing a growth trend. He said that the "future of the country rests in the farming and tourism sectors because they are the most competitive on the international markets." Labrado was speaking during a ceremony honoring his five years of service in the Dominican Republic hosted by Minister of Agriculture Luis Ramon Rodriguez.
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Wow no mention of USELESS METROS or USELESS MALLS!
The METRO Maniacs are going to have a CONNIPSHIT!
More EVIDENCE that the USELESS METRO has done NOTHING to Reduce Fuel Consumption!
“Fuel consumption grew by 2.9% in 2012”
SD. Despite the economic crisis affecting the Dominicans, the consumption of fuels increased 2.9% in 2012 in relation to the same period for the previous year, which represented an increase in consumption of 36.5 million gallons more of fuel.
Read the rest at:
Consumo combustible crece un 2.9% en el 2012
diariolibre.com/economia/2013/01/24/i368651_consumo-combustible-crece-2012.html