Santo Domingo.- Dominican Republic and Haiti on Tuesday took the first step to link their power grids, an ambitious plan to bolster both countries’ energy security and create a market of around 20 million people, and lower electricity prices.
National Energy Commission (CNE) director Enrique Ramirez, and Haiti Energy Security minister René Jean-Jumeau signed the agreement, but cautioned that progress depends of a clearly defined project, access to financing, as well as the technical and social relations between the two countries.
For now the pact deals only with coordinated projects under bilateral and international organizations, but intends to expand gradually, as cooperation strengthens.
“Energy security is one of the benefits interconnection brings. If any problem occurs in one country, the energy service can be supplied by the other. It also expands the market, since if any Dominican generation system has a surplus it can sell energy to Haiti and vice versa," Ramirez said.
For the officials, interconnection should be a priority for both nations, calling it Hispaniola’s imminent energy future.
Jean-Jumeau stressed the importance of developing relations in energy and of building "a future together", before the onslaught of hard-to-solve crises without mutual help.
Ramirez and Jean-Jumeau acknowledged the weaknesses of each country’s energy system, but warned against government lethargy.
From: United States, Brooklyn
nnnnnooooooo badddddd ideaaaaa
Written by: telemeco, 30 Jan 2013 8:53 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
it has began,
First Stage Massive illegal migration
second stage, unified the power grip
Third Stage Unified Goverment agencies
fourth Stage(50 year later) Island Unification
Written by: Atabey, 30 Jan 2013 9:16 AM
From: United States, NYC
Creating a market for electricity and other things NEED NOT entail the creation of a unified country.
Germany and Greece are part of the EU, but are separate countries.
Labor requirements need to be enforced in DR and identification of all persons needs to be carried on.
It is true that DR feels swamped by sooooooooo many undocumented and illegal migrants from Haiti. What needs to happen is a correction: all beggars and unemployed illegals need to be put on the deportation line, and all others have VALID DOCUMENTATION in order to stay in DR.
Economies of scales should lower costs, so a market of 20 million in theory should allow for better investment opportunities.
By controlling the numbers of illegal indigents in DR from Haiti, Dominicans will get some breathing space.
Also so many undocumented Haitians giving birth in DR hospitals has the local population fearing for the future.
Again, the correct thing to do is fight against the perception/reality? of cha
Written by: josean, 30 Jan 2013 9:51 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
If Lie-onel The Manchurian Haitian returns in 2026 he will complete his integration plans, including the Port-au-Prince METRO!
From: Jamaica
I am happy that Haiti and the DR have decided to form this 'energy sharing pact.' It will give Haiti an opportunity to grow and will ultimately relieve the DR from the influx of Haitian immigrants. The more jobs in Haiti, the fewer Haitians looking for jobs in the DR. Haiti is open for business and I know of one wealthy Jamaican who is building in Haiti. Hotel developers want to build there but are uneasy about commencing these projects because of fears that Haiti's power generating systems are not sustainable. This pact should provide some of the assurances that they need to take the first step.
From: Dominican Republic
According to mathematics it's a great idea: Minus times minus makes plus - Haiti has nothing, the Dominican Republic has something, but doesn't know to manage it.
Very funny also the part: " if any Dominican generation system has a surplus", "if" should be written "IF".
And by the way, in the area where I live there is no electricity since yesterday morning. All the food in the fridge is defrosted and the inverter is empty. It would be great to get some of the surplus of Haiti now!!!
From: Jamaica
I would just warn the power generating companies to make sure that they are in the 'say so' when it comes to these pacts between Haiti and the DR. I can see the DR telling the power company, "we can't pay you until Haiti pays us what it owes us." The old two step con. This can end up making enemies out of all the players! Very fast.
Written by: rokete, 30 Jan 2013 1:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Puerto Rico has a surplus of energy why not make that agreement with them.
We stand to gain something with Puerto Rico.
We Dominicans only stand to loose when ever we make agreements with Haiti.
Haitians have nothing to give, only to receive.
Every peso we spend on these people is money taken away from Dominicans.
Money that can be spent on making the lives of Dominicans better.
This is what the government is doing with my tax money?? (((((@$#$%#$@$))))))
The best use of that money is be to deport all those Haitians illegals, and to build a fence on the border.
EXPEL THOSE ILLEGALS HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!!
VIVA TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!!!
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
@ Rockete
Haitian have nothing nothing to give only to receive.
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Last I check Haiti was DR second largest trade partner second only to the US , mind tell us how much that one way win win is worth annually to the DR economy?
From: Jamaica
Rokete,
Still ranting and raving! Go smoke something herbal.
I would love for the DR to send the Haitians back to Haiti and then, this would really help the selling market of Jamaica. We are not too far away from Haiti. Be careful that you don't end up losing your best customers.
Written by: rokete, 30 Jan 2013 1:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
chilliwestaziz
Jamaica is another country that has more to receive, than to give.
EXPEL THOSE ILLEGALS HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!!
VIVA TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!!!
Written by: Danilo, 30 Jan 2013 3:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic, www.DuckyDeals.com
Because we don't have enough electricity theft.
Written by: rokete, 30 Jan 2013 3:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
The government spends RD$1.04 Billion pesos, on Haitian illegals health care.
How many Dominicans are in need of that money?
How many Dominican would benefit if that money is spent on education?
How many Dominicans would benefit if that money is spent on their health care??
How many Dominicans would put food on their tables ??
How many bridges would be build in DR??
How many roads paved??
How many schools build??
How many houses build??
How many hospitals ??
How many Kilo Watt of energy produced??
How many dams build??
How many canals for irrigation??
How many docks??
These are the kind of thing some people don't want to understand.
The Dominican Republic is a very poor country.
We cannot have the luxury of spending that kind of money on the health care of illegal Haitians, while our own people are in need of those funds.
EXPEL THOSE ILLEGALS HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!!
VIVA TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!!!
From: United States, NJ
Two countries whose electricity must be subsidized by each others's State and can't even supply
its necessary power are going to share what?. If the need is that great in DR I must agree with rokete: Buy it from PR which has a surplus and in turn via the grid sell it to Haiti, As it is now DR doesn't have electricicy surplus ,on the contrary needs to import it,and Haiti doesn't have enogh for themselves to sell us.
Enrique Ramirez can't come up with a better idea and forgets that those steel towers and copper grids cost as much money to build and maintain as building a few gas fuel power plants of our
own. Maybe he got the idea from Canada- USA that have such agreements or Paraguay-Brazil or
Argentina-Uruguay.In either cases they have tremendous water falls and can give themselves the luxury of exporting it since it is the cheapest form of electricity ,therefore generators are easly adquired since it will pay for itself ,they don't steal copper,as DR, nor have we the technology.
From: United States, NJ
rokete:
I can see all your points above and I agree with them, except expelling the Haitians.Then who is going to work or who is going to work for such salary ?
We first have to start by getting rid of all those botellas and replace them by Civil Service qualified
personnel thru a national testing.The national payroll is over inflated by 550,000 useless that don't produce a thing.
We also have to get rid of those so call military that are the biggest drugs trafekeers.We don't need them anymore,they were there to protect Trujillo and he is gone,now with the excuse of a Haitian invasion which has taken place in a pacific way, they had perpetuated in power above the law. That itself is a good 20% of its GDP.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
Is this a joke? How can D.R benefit from this? Besides, D.R is the blackout capital of the world.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Is this a joke? how can DR benefit from this Besides DR is the blackout Capital of the world.
------------------------------------------------------
The blackout in DR is due to the gov not paying its bill not to lack of infrastructure, the power you are not paying for Haiti badly need and EDH the National power comp is willing to pay for it, cheaper than installing new power plants to meet its demand an easy solution to a major problem a boom for your electricity sector.
From: United States, NJ
Boom my ass ,what they should start doing is making every body pay for electricity they
consume.and the gvt to stop this nonsense of subsidizing power to its people.If they can't afford it,
let them go back to candle light.
You stated that EDH is willing to pay for it ,Are they also willing to pay for the construction of a
(HVTL),high voltage transmission lines at 245kv to avoid power lost from DR to Haiti? or is this
also going to be at DR expense?Transformers ,S/S ,copper wires and steel towers cost money
to build and maintain.
It is very easy for Generating co to bill the gvts when it is their job to go out and collect from the
consumers ,as it is done in any civilized country.Besides none of these power co belong to DR.
I don't know where you get the idea that it is cheaper than to generate your own power locally.
Written by: rokete, 31 Jan 2013 3:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier
Well said, I second you on that thought.
Who ever don't pay electricity, should not get it simple as that.
As soon as we see that everyone is paying for their own consumption, we are going forward, towards seeing a solution to the energy problem.
And like I said before, Dominicans only stand to loose with any agreement with Haiti.
Written by: lovingit, 31 Jan 2013 6:00 PM
From: United States, Delaware
This is Ridiculous!!!
The DR can't provide it's own population with the require energy infrastructare and capacity let alone share with another nation.
Yeah, let's go ahead and add another 9,999,900 people that don't pay for electricity.
@Rokete
"Puerto Rico has a surplus of energy why not make that agreement with them"
Not they don't.. according to the power books we have more of a surplus than them.. btw.. they do lose power in PR as well, of course, not as often as DR.
Written by: rokete, 31 Jan 2013 6:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
lovingit
No energy surplus in Puerto Rico?? Really??
Diario LIbre October 14, 2010
LF and Fortuño sign a strategic alliance DR-PR
"It was learned, unofficially, that the Isle of Enchantment (Puerto Rico) has a surplus of 1,400 megawatts that would be available for sale to this country and other nations in the Caribbean."
"Fortuño also said that he talked with Fernandez about the issue of drug trafficking with the possibility of continuing the strengthening of the fight against this scourge."
In my opinion Fortuno, would not be offering what he does not have.
What we need is to come to a temporary agreement with Puerto Rico, and toss the cables.
I by no means think this is the best solution to our energy problem in Dominicana.
More planning and implementing is needed for us to be self sufficient.
Then at one point, when we have our own surplus, then we can sell our surplus to Haiti.
From: United States
chilli, don't waste your time. those bozos will never argue issues of concern during any exchange. every single reply from those bozos is a haitiano pejorative. they have never heard of the peligue project in haiti which was sabotage by corrupt haitianos. watch, a herd of negatory haitiano reply is well on its way to my comment. the issue at hand is not hard to comprehend, it is call do not mess with nature because she will fire back and you may not enjoy her response. simple, spaniard f up and genocide the taino's existence. now you have two countries in the same island. one manage to more or less improve its administration and one manage with 1% siphon everything out of the country to its swiss account. now, imf can no longer support and manage two in the same island and karma is a mother rear its fea cabeza. rattle your sabers all you want, mother nature says: they shall no longer be two but one in the same land. maybe too profound for simple minded dt members to comprende!!!
Written by: Lautaro, 4 Feb 2013 7:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
jam,
I think the pertinent questions here are: who's the person or persons that profitted from the failure of that project? and the other one, could it ever be rescued?
From: United States, NJ
lovingit:
"Puerto Rico has a surplus of energy,why not make that agreement with them"?
This makes sence .I guess PR does not want to go on the losing end and have to be after Haiti
to pay up after all those submarine cables are streched out,S/S in place to Haiti as the consumer
plus the maint.cost. Had it been a good idea the USA who ownes PR and is always looking on
how to make a dollar would had done so already. PR probably says to themselves does not pay
to get involved in 2 Wellfare States that have no means to pay for all their overhead's infrastructure,
investment, just so Haiti and DR could have electricity 24/7.I see PR way and I second that idea if
it ever comes up. Besides you would have to deal with 2 metal thieves countries and nothing you
could do about, but stop generating after the trermendous initial investments is done at a lost.
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nnnnnooooooo badddddd ideaaaaa
First Stage Massive illegal migration
second stage, unified the power grip
Third Stage Unified Goverment agencies
fourth Stage(50 year later) Island Unification
Creating a market for electricity and other things NEED NOT entail the creation of a unified country.
Germany and Greece are part of the EU, but are separate countries.
Labor requirements need to be enforced in DR and identification of all persons needs to be carried on.
It is true that DR feels swamped by sooooooooo many undocumented and illegal migrants from Haiti. What needs to happen is a correction: all beggars and unemployed illegals need to be put on the deportation line, and all others have VALID DOCUMENTATION in order to stay in DR.
Economies of scales should lower costs, so a market of 20 million in theory should allow for better investment opportunities.
By controlling the numbers of illegal indigents in DR from Haiti, Dominicans will get some breathing space.
Also so many undocumented Haitians giving birth in DR hospitals has the local population fearing for the future.
Again, the correct thing to do is fight against the perception/reality? of cha
If Lie-onel The Manchurian Haitian returns in 2026 he will complete his integration plans, including the Port-au-Prince METRO!
Very funny also the part: " if any Dominican generation system has a surplus", "if" should be written "IF".
And by the way, in the area where I live there is no electricity since yesterday morning. All the food in the fridge is defrosted and the inverter is empty. It would be great to get some of the surplus of Haiti now!!!
Puerto Rico has a surplus of energy why not make that agreement with them.
We stand to gain something with Puerto Rico.
We Dominicans only stand to loose when ever we make agreements with Haiti.
Haitians have nothing to give, only to receive.
Every peso we spend on these people is money taken away from Dominicans.
Money that can be spent on making the lives of Dominicans better.
This is what the government is doing with my tax money?? (((((@$#$%#$@$))))))
The best use of that money is be to deport all those Haitians illegals, and to build a fence on the border.
EXPEL THOSE ILLEGALS HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!!
VIVA TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!!!
Haitian have nothing nothing to give only to receive.
----------------------------------
Last I check Haiti was DR second largest trade partner second only to the US , mind tell us how much that one way win win is worth annually to the DR economy?
Still ranting and raving! Go smoke something herbal.
I would love for the DR to send the Haitians back to Haiti and then, this would really help the selling market of Jamaica. We are not too far away from Haiti. Be careful that you don't end up losing your best customers.
Jamaica is another country that has more to receive, than to give.
EXPEL THOSE ILLEGALS HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!!
VIVA TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!!!
The government spends RD$1.04 Billion pesos, on Haitian illegals health care.
How many Dominicans are in need of that money?
How many Dominican would benefit if that money is spent on education?
How many Dominicans would benefit if that money is spent on their health care??
How many Dominicans would put food on their tables ??
How many bridges would be build in DR??
How many roads paved??
How many schools build??
How many houses build??
How many hospitals ??
How many Kilo Watt of energy produced??
How many dams build??
How many canals for irrigation??
How many docks??
These are the kind of thing some people don't want to understand.
The Dominican Republic is a very poor country.
We cannot have the luxury of spending that kind of money on the health care of illegal Haitians, while our own people are in need of those funds.
EXPEL THOSE ILLEGALS HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!!
VIVA TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!!!
its necessary power are going to share what?. If the need is that great in DR I must agree with rokete: Buy it from PR which has a surplus and in turn via the grid sell it to Haiti, As it is now DR doesn't have electricicy surplus ,on the contrary needs to import it,and Haiti doesn't have enogh for themselves to sell us.
Enrique Ramirez can't come up with a better idea and forgets that those steel towers and copper grids cost as much money to build and maintain as building a few gas fuel power plants of our
own. Maybe he got the idea from Canada- USA that have such agreements or Paraguay-Brazil or
Argentina-Uruguay.In either cases they have tremendous water falls and can give themselves the luxury of exporting it since it is the cheapest form of electricity ,therefore generators are easly adquired since it will pay for itself ,they don't steal copper,as DR, nor have we the technology.
I can see all your points above and I agree with them, except expelling the Haitians.Then who is going to work or who is going to work for such salary ?
We first have to start by getting rid of all those botellas and replace them by Civil Service qualified
personnel thru a national testing.The national payroll is over inflated by 550,000 useless that don't produce a thing.
We also have to get rid of those so call military that are the biggest drugs trafekeers.We don't need them anymore,they were there to protect Trujillo and he is gone,now with the excuse of a Haitian invasion which has taken place in a pacific way, they had perpetuated in power above the law. That itself is a good 20% of its GDP.
------------------------------------------------------
The blackout in DR is due to the gov not paying its bill not to lack of infrastructure, the power you are not paying for Haiti badly need and EDH the National power comp is willing to pay for it, cheaper than installing new power plants to meet its demand an easy solution to a major problem a boom for your electricity sector.
consume.and the gvt to stop this nonsense of subsidizing power to its people.If they can't afford it,
let them go back to candle light.
You stated that EDH is willing to pay for it ,Are they also willing to pay for the construction of a
(HVTL),high voltage transmission lines at 245kv to avoid power lost from DR to Haiti? or is this
also going to be at DR expense?Transformers ,S/S ,copper wires and steel towers cost money
to build and maintain.
It is very easy for Generating co to bill the gvts when it is their job to go out and collect from the
consumers ,as it is done in any civilized country.Besides none of these power co belong to DR.
I don't know where you get the idea that it is cheaper than to generate your own power locally.
Well said, I second you on that thought.
Who ever don't pay electricity, should not get it simple as that.
As soon as we see that everyone is paying for their own consumption, we are going forward, towards seeing a solution to the energy problem.
And like I said before, Dominicans only stand to loose with any agreement with Haiti.
The DR can't provide it's own population with the require energy infrastructare and capacity let alone share with another nation.
Yeah, let's go ahead and add another 9,999,900 people that don't pay for electricity.
@Rokete
"Puerto Rico has a surplus of energy why not make that agreement with them"
Not they don't.. according to the power books we have more of a surplus than them.. btw.. they do lose power in PR as well, of course, not as often as DR.
lovingit
No energy surplus in Puerto Rico?? Really??
Diario LIbre October 14, 2010
LF and Fortuño sign a strategic alliance DR-PR
"It was learned, unofficially, that the Isle of Enchantment (Puerto Rico) has a surplus of 1,400 megawatts that would be available for sale to this country and other nations in the Caribbean."
"Fortuño also said that he talked with Fernandez about the issue of drug trafficking with the possibility of continuing the strengthening of the fight against this scourge."
In my opinion Fortuno, would not be offering what he does not have.
What we need is to come to a temporary agreement with Puerto Rico, and toss the cables.
I by no means think this is the best solution to our energy problem in Dominicana.
More planning and implementing is needed for us to be self sufficient.
Then at one point, when we have our own surplus, then we can sell our surplus to Haiti.
I think the pertinent questions here are: who's the person or persons that profitted from the failure of that project? and the other one, could it ever be rescued?
"Puerto Rico has a surplus of energy,why not make that agreement with them"?
This makes sence .I guess PR does not want to go on the losing end and have to be after Haiti
to pay up after all those submarine cables are streched out,S/S in place to Haiti as the consumer
plus the maint.cost. Had it been a good idea the USA who ownes PR and is always looking on
how to make a dollar would had done so already. PR probably says to themselves does not pay
to get involved in 2 Wellfare States that have no means to pay for all their overhead's infrastructure,
investment, just so Haiti and DR could have electricity 24/7.I see PR way and I second that idea if
it ever comes up. Besides you would have to deal with 2 metal thieves countries and nothing you
could do about, but stop generating after the trermendous initial investments is done at a lost.