Santo Domingo.- Senate president Reinaldo Pared on Tuesday said president Danilo Medina should submit to Congress the contract with the miner Barrick Gold for review because have the conditions have changed and the parts involved can adequately amend it.
He said the legislative chambers cannot submit an initiative to change because they weren’t part of the agreement.
"He (Medina) is the one who can, and should be so because the contract conditions change from those that currently exist, for example, the price of gold wasn’t the same as now. The conditions have changed and stakeholders can weigh a possible change , review and adaptation, "he said.
He added that the Civil Code stipulates that only the parties in a contract can introduce changes or terminate it.
"In what Congress does have power is in adherence to with Articles 94, 95 and 96, to name commission to discuss any topic of interest and for the Chamber of Deputies to designate a commission, not submit a review because it cannot, but it can call the attention of the parties involved, in this case, the President and Barrick Gold, to examine the possibility of a change," he said.
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
Barrick Gold will poison the waters and destroy the ecosystem in the area of Pueblo Viejo. Let’s not trade our natural treasures for money for this is the only inheritance we can leave our children. This seems like 1492 all over again, the Spanish took our gold then and Barrick Gold is doing it now.
Written by: jasfalon, 20 Feb 2013 9:07 AM
From: United States
"... because it cannot?"
So NOW the RD government gets legal?
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... ((You're blind to the fact that you're blind))
Do as Bolivia and take away the land from these thieves
From: United States
Hernandez,
1492, the Spanish took OUR gold, when in hell you were born to call it our's? If you are not a mixture of the Spanish, then you are a mixture of French Haitian!!! Fool!!!
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
Written by: anbro2007, 20 Feb 2013 10:01 AM
From: United States
Hernandez,
1492, the Spanish took OUR gold, when in hell you were born to call it our's? If you are not a mixture of the Spanish, then you are a mixture of French Haitian!!! Fool!!!
Sir,
My grandparents on my father's side are from the Canary islands... My mother is Dominican of Spanish decent (unfortunately). The Spanish have caused us a great deal of misfotune... but that does not mean anything in regards to our rights as Dominican citizens, and the gold belongs to the Dominican people, why? because we are a republic, and the riches of the land belong to the state. I am Dominican first above all else. We should revolt against this contract between the DR government and Barrick Gold, it is immoral to allow this to continue.. For a few dollars we are allowing strangers to ravage our land.
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
In 1492, there were the Tainos and the the gold then it was theirs, but now thanks to the genocide committed by the Europeans they are gone, we are the inhabitans of Quisqueya now..
Written by: anthonyC, 20 Feb 2013 10:42 AM
From: United States
"Senate president Reinaldo Pared on Tuesday said president Danilo Medina should submit to Congress the contract with the miner Barrick Gold for review because have the conditions have changed"
What has changed is that Barrick has spent millions cleaning up the mess created by the DR Government operation and is now producing Gold.
Disgusting what these moocher are doing and the simpletons that are supporting it.
Stand Firm Barrick
Written by: josean, 20 Feb 2013 11:53 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
You should have told that to your Chicken Shit Parents in Havana in 1959 Stand Firm!
From: Canada
If you are Dominican and have never thrown any garbage out the window of your car or thrown anything in the gutter or on the street, then and only then do you have a right to complain about possible pollution from the gold mine. A LEGAL CONTRACT WAS SIGNED, AND THE DOMINICAN GOVERNMENT WILL BE GETTING LOTS OF MONEY FROM IT, JUST NOT AS MUH AS THE GREEDY BAS..TS WANT.
Written by: josean, 20 Feb 2013 11:59 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
So Barrick "Stold" had the right to renegotiate the original contract but the Dominican People via their Sovereign Right can't?
From: United States
Written by: dominicanbob, 20 Feb 2013 11:55 AM
From: Canada
If you are Dominican and have never thrown any garbage out the window of your car or thrown anything in the gutter or on the street, then and only then do you have a right to complain about possible pollution from the gold mine. A LEGAL CONTRACT WAS SIGNED, AND THE DOMINICAN GOVERNMENT WILL BE GETTING LOTS OF MONEY FROM IT, JUST NOT AS MUH AS THE GREEDY BAS..TS WANT.
What throwing garbage out of a window have to do with giving away a gold mine , polluting all the fresh waters reservoirs, and agree with the biggest scam in the Dominican history, when in fact , in fine prints, we all know we wont get a single penny out of it?
They already twisted that contract once..
Are we getting a LOT OF MONEY? From where? Not from BG and the way it's stipulated, otherwise we wouldnt have so many riots in that area demanding jobs..
Are we stupid or what?
From: United States
says josean
You should have told that to your Chicken Shit Parents in Havana in 1959 Stand Firm!
yes, josean, the internet Rambo speaks his mind. real tough when his ass is safe.
Written by: josean, 20 Feb 2013 1:49 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Ms. Vickey says:
"the biggest scam in the Dominican history"
Does that mean then that Narco Lie-onel and the PLD are the Biggest Scam Artists in Dominican History as well?
We have to be consistent now Ms. Vickey!
From: Dominican Republic
A few thoughts...Barrick will not change the contract and the Dominican people or Government will not be able to do anything to chang that. OHHHVICTOR.... DR had the mine and could not operate it. Further more they polluted the enviroment and let it sit the for years until Barrick came in a cleaned it up. Secondly... The people outside crying for jobs.. How can you give unqualified individuals jobs that the have no clue about. Why do you think there are Peruvians, Chileans, Canadians...etc in this country. They are the ones helping to make the mine function. Dominicans know nothing about mining or construction..Look at who builds your infastructure, Power Plants, MINES, hotels. When you become and educated society and are able to handle these jobs... Then and only then I think Dominicans have a feet to stand on.
From: United States
Let me explain certain things to NYCguy:
1.-They already changed the contract first when the price of gold was going up..and it was approved by all the senators and diputados IN A RUSH.
2.-The idea of having a mine is to bring jobs and prosperity to the communities.So far , mining have being in Cotui for the last 29 years and people are more miserable than ever.A lot of riots demanding jobs and nothing will EVER happens either.
3.- No country in the world has EVER reach prosperity through mining..So, central america and the frontier between chile and argentina would be VERY rich destination
4.-In affected areas by mining no flora grows and no fauna in the next 200 years
5.- They cut fresh water supplies, the are dumping heavy chemicals and cyanide on rivers and they will be polluted FOREVER, they dont provide jobs, they dont give A PENNY to communities, no prosperity etc
So the question is ...
WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING IN MY COUNTRY?
Written by: anthonyC, 20 Feb 2013 3:50 PM
From: United States
Lazy stealing Jerks want more $$$ without spending a single dime of their own money or taking on any risk
F*CK EM! Go Barrick!
From: United States
i agree with anthonyc. Barrick should just tell the DR to go take a crap in a hat, and just go and fabricate their own island, complete with gold deposits.
From: United States
Historically speaking Dominicans have never ever needed mining before for surviving..It aint going to happens in the future either.
Historically speaking as well, wherever BG goes, they bring misery..
Cotui is the second poorest province in DR..and they have mining in the area for the last 29 years.
Once the land and soil is destroyed, there is no turning back..,specially the vegetable lawyer of earth; the destruction is final specially because they are working on the nest of many rivers in DR..
We should stop the hypocrisy.They are not going to help anybody, in the same way they do all over the world.
They SHOULD leave DR once for all..
Period.
.
Written by: josean, 20 Feb 2013 4:23 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"and it was approved by all the senators and diputados IN A RUSH."
And who has the Majority and who made them RUSH it through Ms. Vickey?
From: United States
says victor
Historically speaking as well, wherever BG goes, they bring misery..
Cotui is the second poorest province in DR..and they have mining in the area for the last 29 years.
victor has a very strong point there, ladies and gentlemen.
From: Dominican Republic
They should have at least read the contract before approving it. Oh, I forgot. The burros that were elected could not read any phrase that did not include "$500,000.00 pesos for you if you sign on the dotted line".
Written by: josean, 20 Feb 2013 5:23 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Juansantodomingo,
The PLD is Highly Disciplined and Organized entity, not like the likes of the PRD or PRSC. Therefore you do what you are TOLD; Lie-onel Fernandez said approve this, since he is the President of the Failed State and the Narco PLD so you do what you are told.
Isn’t it Soooooooooo beneficial for the Dominican TAX PAYERS that the PLD is Soooooooooo DIsciplined and Organized, Crime That is!!
From: Dominican Republic
In response to OHVIC...
1: the contract was ratified the first time to take in consideration for the clean-up of the enviroment. It aslo knocked the royalties that the government down from 5% to 3.2%. If the Dominican Government wanted to have a clause in there for future changes in the price of Gold then they should have put it in there. But their inability and greed got the best of them.
2: I don't know where you get the idea that it isn't making those communities flourish. Have you seen the amount of business that has poped up in the sorrunding areas. The amount of monies that has been spent to make the roads, schools, infrastructure better. No counting the MONIES THAT WAS STOLEN by the mayor of Cotui. If that money was wasted that's not Barricks fault.
3: If a country puts it eggs in one basket "mining" for prosperity, then I think they need to take and economics class.
4: I must agree with you on that point: But the DR government polluted that land more be
From: United States
says nyceguy
1: the contract was ratified the first time to take in consideration for the clean-up of the enviroment. It aslo knocked the royalties that the government down from 5% to 3.2%. If the Dominican Government wanted to have a clause in there for future changes in the price of Gold then they should have put it in there. But their inability and greed got the best of them.
i find no fault with that observation. the Dominican side should have negotiated with a contingency clause, based on future value of gold on the commodities market. it is too late. you cannot insert a contingency clause after the fact. this whole thing is very prejudiced against Dominican interests, but it is entirely the fault of the senatots who signed it. they were too happy to get the payoff money and run to the SUV dealers. as long as kickbacks are integral parts of doing business, crap will happen.
From: United States
NYCeguy:
2: I don't know where you get the idea that it isn't making those communities flourish. Have you seen the amount of business that has poped up in the sorrunding areas. The amount of monies that has been spent to make the roads, schools, infrastructure better. No counting the MONIES THAT WAS STOLEN by the mayor of Cotui. If that money was wasted that's not Barricks fault.
-Where are the photos of communities flourish?
- where are the new roads they promised?
-Where are the new jobs? Unemployment is higher than ever because they bring their own employees
, the second poorest province in DR
-Where are those schools? any photos?
-Business popping up? Exactly where are they at? names?
-Infrastructure? where is it at ? what are the names of those streets?
3: If a country puts it eggs in one basket "mining" for prosperity, then I think they need to take and economics class.
Nop , BG never cares about D.R. economics development and never will
From: United States
" No counting the MONIES THAT WAS STOLEN by the mayor of Cotui"
I am surprise by that because he was the first one that wanted a revision of the contract, and to stop BG operations.
4: I must agree with you on that point: But the DR government polluted that land more be
Wrong again..
Before Barrick Gold we never had such Red Rivers of cyanide running through our country like Rio Margajita or Yuma, or a pool of cyanide like Hatillo dam, the principal reservoir of fresh water in DR.We used to have people selling big fishes in Autopista Duarte because of that, but now we are polluting not only the rivers but flooding of cyanide our rice field..The base of Dominican diet..
The photos of cyanide Dominican rivers are REALLY scary
Conclusion:
If they dont bring ANY REAL benefits, they can leave RIGHT AWAY..
We dont need BG before, we dont need that now..
What we need is BG OUT of DR
From: Dominican Republic
Vic:
I think you fail to realize. Barrick just started processing Gold at the mine and the government will not see and of this until Barrick recovers its investments. What changes has been done I don't think you want to see. Take a trip to Maimon..(Hen when you get to Cotui, please let me know.
How can the rivers be running red if they just starded processing?
The color of the runoff earth around those mountains has those colors.
Once you have tangable proof about your misguided assumptions.. Then I think you should speak. It fraustates me when people speak when the don't have Facts... Awaiting your response.
From: Dominican Republic
Vic:
Just remember there are two other mines in that area..
From: United States
NYCEGUY:
Nop, you are wrong..
No rivers in DR have a bloody red cyanide color...not even with Rosario Dominicana..check the photos in the forum of DT that I posted..
An image worth a thousand words and will certainly clarify certain topics....
And you will see all the jobs and prosperity in the area..
You would understand WAY Better..
From: Dominican Republic
I will concede my stupidity to you.. When you have photos and not actual facts. So the Rivers running red are Barricks fault, when they just started processing.
VIC: a question.. How do you know it is Barrick that is polluting these rivers? Just give me acutal concrete facts and I will chalk this one up to you. Just a Straight forward answer, not a google or Bing answer. Waiting in anticipation.
From: United States
VIC: a question.. How do you know it is Barrick that is polluting these rivers? Just give me acutal concrete facts and I will chalk this one up to you. Just a Straight forward answer, not a google or Bing answer.
ok,NYCguy: you dont need to be an Einstein to know 2 +2 =4, there are things that you dont need to Google because it's so obvious..
In 500 years , rivers and fresh waters in DR look like regular rivers in the world. For the last 3 years ALL the fishes of the Hatillo Dam, Rio margajita,Yuma river, Maguagua River etc changed the color and were packed with dead fishes.
It was so obvious that Barrick Gold is hiring tanks to delivered fresh waters daily to affected communities.
In the photos you can see dozens on trucks and tanks working in on the premises of those rivers.
Did you know that to produce 1 oz of gold you need 4 thousand gallons of water?
Do you think Barrick Gold is importing that water from Canada?
.. continue
From: United States
..continuation
-The CEO of BG in DR admit himself that they were importing massive amount of cyanide.If you check my post you can find the date and the source exactly..
- I remember that the chemistry dept of UASD was publicly warning everyone no to approve the contract because they found huge amount of heavy metal and cyanide in the waters of Cotui around BG, the nest of some of the most important rivers in Cibao. Money talks and bs walks.
So,lets check the facts:
1.-Dead fishes and red rivers suddenly JUST around BG
2.-The CEO admision of using cyanide and mercury
3.- The finding of UASD dept of chemistry
4.-They are working and they admit they are producing gold so far: It means that THEY ARE using the water
5.-Testimony of dozen of people in the area
6.-If they deliver water to communities it's basically a tacit admission of how they are polluting the water that not so long ago was used by the community..
As I said before: You dont need to be Einstein,
Written by: josean, 21 Feb 2013 12:12 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
7. -Narco Lie-onel and the corrupt PLD created the contract that created the MESS
From: United States
Josean: Your God G.Moreno havent open his mouth about it..
I bet he is supporting BG!
Written by: josean, 21 Feb 2013 1:00 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Is Lie-onel supporting Barrick "Stold?"
From: Dominican Republic
Man Vic: I think you need to read what you write. I give up. It is impossible to debate a point with someone that has no clue about what you are talking about. I AM STUPID.....
From: United States
...la verdad duele..!
From: Dominican Republic
No my friend.. When you have facts to back up your inaccurate assumptions. Then I will hurt. I hurt for your stupidity to the REAL facts.
From: United States
Stupidity?
So those are rumors from the back alley?
or maybe I figure out everything?
Oopppsss.. I got it ..Maybe it's Barrick Gold that is dumping red "Hawaian Punch " on the rivers around Cotui so the water taste better! Right?
Or maybe , the truth is too much for you too handle..
The fact is that they are poisoning our waters , croops and land FOREVER and they fix the contract in such a way that no dominican will get a dime out of it..
After a lot of people start going to the hospital because their rice is flooded with Yuma River cyanide , the situation will be too late to handle.
The fact is that they haven't and they aint gonna build anything, no street no infrastructure, no jobs,no hospital, no school, no NOTHING!
They are just selling empty promises or "espejitos por oro" and dominicans are the new "indians" , the most stupid people on earth..Right?
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt."Mark Twain"
From: Dominican Republic
My final post on this debate.. YOU ARE TRULY STUPID TO THE TRUTH.... Read this carefully. YA
From: United States
NYCguy:
Again: Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
You are lucky enough not to be force to be display w/ your family , without a job and without the need to drink fresh water on everyday basics..
But dominicans are my people and every time foreigners try to do bad things to my people they are doing to me as well..
So let's check the facts :
1-you havent provide any name of school in Cotui,
2-you havent mention where the cyanide is coming from,
3-why BG is providing water to the communities
4-why suddenly after BG appears in Cotui there are no more fishes and a suddenly red cyanide tipical color?
5-why do you think BG CEO is wrong when he said he import huge amount of cyanide
6-why do you think uasd chemistry dept is wrong
7-why over 300 peruvian miners got intoxicated with cyanide
8.-what are the name of the streets BG build in Cotui
9.-Do you think BG is importing water to clean their mess?
etc ,
As dominican in this case ,the apathy should be a crime
Written by: josean, 21 Feb 2013 6:35 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Ms. Vickey TOTALLY Bi-polar;............ He attacks Barrick “Stold” yet supports Narco Lie-onel who is the VILLAIN who signed off on this EGREGIOUS Contract!
Written by: Madison, 22 Feb 2013 2:51 PM
From: United States
It's always sad to see how partisanship can cloud reason and judgment.
It's never a bad idea to learn a bit about nation-state rights, sovereignty, transnational law, and international politics in general before giving one's opinion about these matters. Bickering and ad-hominem attacks never accomplish anything constructive. Let's use our social media wisely. (while glaring righteously). :)
Written by: josean, 22 Feb 2013 2:54 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Yeah do some research folks!
Nationalize the Mine and Send Barrick “Stold” Packing!
Now everybody loves the Chilean Neo Liberal “Chicago Boys” Economic Miracle yet a little known or talked about part is:
“The nationalised Chilean mines were kept under state control after the Pinochet's 1973 Chilean coup d'état, despite the junta's pro-U.S. leanings and this is still the case, largely because of public sentiment and because Codelco is a major contributor to the Chilean Exchequer (Treasury). Codelco pays income tax, all dividends go to the government and it also pays a 10% tax on the export value of copper products and associated byproducts according to Law 13,136.”
wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_nationalization_of_copper
From: United States, NJ
josean:
You are right, I read those articles about Chile and their mines.
I further learned by watching Mr Castellano at DR channel 5,that the original investments by BG
was US$2.7billions up to 2007 and claimed an investment of US$4.5 at the end of 2012,in paper only ,so as to avoid taxes. The agreement reads that the DR gvt.is not to recieve any money from them untill their investment is recuperated by them Every year they keep increasing their investments which in turn DR is not going to see any money, or maybe US$300 millions in 2017 providing no more investment is done.I also learned that this contract could be ratified by either parties, if not satidfied ,which is the case of DR.I also learned that at the time of contrat signature the gold onze was US$300 and skied rocket to US$1700 and climbing by then would be US$3000
My opinion is if the enviroment is affected ,the best thing is to terminate the contract. Since when is any mayor of a DR town allowed to collect tax?
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"... because it cannot?"
So NOW the RD government gets legal?
Hernandez,
1492, the Spanish took OUR gold, when in hell you were born to call it our's? If you are not a mixture of the Spanish, then you are a mixture of French Haitian!!! Fool!!!
From: United States
Hernandez,
1492, the Spanish took OUR gold, when in hell you were born to call it our's? If you are not a mixture of the Spanish, then you are a mixture of French Haitian!!! Fool!!!
Sir,
My grandparents on my father's side are from the Canary islands... My mother is Dominican of Spanish decent (unfortunately). The Spanish have caused us a great deal of misfotune... but that does not mean anything in regards to our rights as Dominican citizens, and the gold belongs to the Dominican people, why? because we are a republic, and the riches of the land belong to the state. I am Dominican first above all else. We should revolt against this contract between the DR government and Barrick Gold, it is immoral to allow this to continue.. For a few dollars we are allowing strangers to ravage our land.
"Senate president Reinaldo Pared on Tuesday said president Danilo Medina should submit to Congress the contract with the miner Barrick Gold for review because have the conditions have changed"
What has changed is that Barrick has spent millions cleaning up the mess created by the DR Government operation and is now producing Gold.
Disgusting what these moocher are doing and the simpletons that are supporting it.
Stand Firm Barrick
You should have told that to your Chicken Shit Parents in Havana in 1959 Stand Firm!
So Barrick "Stold" had the right to renegotiate the original contract but the Dominican People via their Sovereign Right can't?
Written by: dominicanbob, 20 Feb 2013 11:55 AM
From: Canada
If you are Dominican and have never thrown any garbage out the window of your car or thrown anything in the gutter or on the street, then and only then do you have a right to complain about possible pollution from the gold mine. A LEGAL CONTRACT WAS SIGNED, AND THE DOMINICAN GOVERNMENT WILL BE GETTING LOTS OF MONEY FROM IT, JUST NOT AS MUH AS THE GREEDY BAS..TS WANT.
What throwing garbage out of a window have to do with giving away a gold mine , polluting all the fresh waters reservoirs, and agree with the biggest scam in the Dominican history, when in fact , in fine prints, we all know we wont get a single penny out of it?
They already twisted that contract once..
Are we getting a LOT OF MONEY? From where? Not from BG and the way it's stipulated, otherwise we wouldnt have so many riots in that area demanding jobs..
Are we stupid or what?
You should have told that to your Chicken Shit Parents in Havana in 1959 Stand Firm!
yes, josean, the internet Rambo speaks his mind. real tough when his ass is safe.
Ms. Vickey says:
"the biggest scam in the Dominican history"
Does that mean then that Narco Lie-onel and the PLD are the Biggest Scam Artists in Dominican History as well?
We have to be consistent now Ms. Vickey!
Let me explain certain things to NYCguy:
1.-They already changed the contract first when the price of gold was going up..and it was approved by all the senators and diputados IN A RUSH.
2.-The idea of having a mine is to bring jobs and prosperity to the communities.So far , mining have being in Cotui for the last 29 years and people are more miserable than ever.A lot of riots demanding jobs and nothing will EVER happens either.
3.- No country in the world has EVER reach prosperity through mining..So, central america and the frontier between chile and argentina would be VERY rich destination
4.-In affected areas by mining no flora grows and no fauna in the next 200 years
5.- They cut fresh water supplies, the are dumping heavy chemicals and cyanide on rivers and they will be polluted FOREVER, they dont provide jobs, they dont give A PENNY to communities, no prosperity etc
So the question is ...
WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING IN MY COUNTRY?
Lazy stealing Jerks want more $$$ without spending a single dime of their own money or taking on any risk
F*CK EM! Go Barrick!
Historically speaking Dominicans have never ever needed mining before for surviving..It aint going to happens in the future either.
Historically speaking as well, wherever BG goes, they bring misery..
Cotui is the second poorest province in DR..and they have mining in the area for the last 29 years.
Once the land and soil is destroyed, there is no turning back..,specially the vegetable lawyer of earth; the destruction is final specially because they are working on the nest of many rivers in DR..
We should stop the hypocrisy.They are not going to help anybody, in the same way they do all over the world.
They SHOULD leave DR once for all..
Period.
.
"and it was approved by all the senators and diputados IN A RUSH."
And who has the Majority and who made them RUSH it through Ms. Vickey?
Historically speaking as well, wherever BG goes, they bring misery..
Cotui is the second poorest province in DR..and they have mining in the area for the last 29 years.
victor has a very strong point there, ladies and gentlemen.
Juansantodomingo,
The PLD is Highly Disciplined and Organized entity, not like the likes of the PRD or PRSC. Therefore you do what you are TOLD; Lie-onel Fernandez said approve this, since he is the President of the Failed State and the Narco PLD so you do what you are told.
Isn’t it Soooooooooo beneficial for the Dominican TAX PAYERS that the PLD is Soooooooooo DIsciplined and Organized, Crime That is!!
1: the contract was ratified the first time to take in consideration for the clean-up of the enviroment. It aslo knocked the royalties that the government down from 5% to 3.2%. If the Dominican Government wanted to have a clause in there for future changes in the price of Gold then they should have put it in there. But their inability and greed got the best of them.
2: I don't know where you get the idea that it isn't making those communities flourish. Have you seen the amount of business that has poped up in the sorrunding areas. The amount of monies that has been spent to make the roads, schools, infrastructure better. No counting the MONIES THAT WAS STOLEN by the mayor of Cotui. If that money was wasted that's not Barricks fault.
3: If a country puts it eggs in one basket "mining" for prosperity, then I think they need to take and economics class.
4: I must agree with you on that point: But the DR government polluted that land more be
1: the contract was ratified the first time to take in consideration for the clean-up of the enviroment. It aslo knocked the royalties that the government down from 5% to 3.2%. If the Dominican Government wanted to have a clause in there for future changes in the price of Gold then they should have put it in there. But their inability and greed got the best of them.
i find no fault with that observation. the Dominican side should have negotiated with a contingency clause, based on future value of gold on the commodities market. it is too late. you cannot insert a contingency clause after the fact. this whole thing is very prejudiced against Dominican interests, but it is entirely the fault of the senatots who signed it. they were too happy to get the payoff money and run to the SUV dealers. as long as kickbacks are integral parts of doing business, crap will happen.
NYCeguy:
2: I don't know where you get the idea that it isn't making those communities flourish. Have you seen the amount of business that has poped up in the sorrunding areas. The amount of monies that has been spent to make the roads, schools, infrastructure better. No counting the MONIES THAT WAS STOLEN by the mayor of Cotui. If that money was wasted that's not Barricks fault.
-Where are the photos of communities flourish?
- where are the new roads they promised?
-Where are the new jobs? Unemployment is higher than ever because they bring their own employees
, the second poorest province in DR
-Where are those schools? any photos?
-Business popping up? Exactly where are they at? names?
-Infrastructure? where is it at ? what are the names of those streets?
3: If a country puts it eggs in one basket "mining" for prosperity, then I think they need to take and economics class.
Nop , BG never cares about D.R. economics development and never will
I am surprise by that because he was the first one that wanted a revision of the contract, and to stop BG operations.
4: I must agree with you on that point: But the DR government polluted that land more be
Wrong again..
Before Barrick Gold we never had such Red Rivers of cyanide running through our country like Rio Margajita or Yuma, or a pool of cyanide like Hatillo dam, the principal reservoir of fresh water in DR.We used to have people selling big fishes in Autopista Duarte because of that, but now we are polluting not only the rivers but flooding of cyanide our rice field..The base of Dominican diet..
The photos of cyanide Dominican rivers are REALLY scary
Conclusion:
If they dont bring ANY REAL benefits, they can leave RIGHT AWAY..
We dont need BG before, we dont need that now..
What we need is BG OUT of DR
I think you fail to realize. Barrick just started processing Gold at the mine and the government will not see and of this until Barrick recovers its investments. What changes has been done I don't think you want to see. Take a trip to Maimon..(Hen when you get to Cotui, please let me know.
How can the rivers be running red if they just starded processing?
The color of the runoff earth around those mountains has those colors.
Once you have tangable proof about your misguided assumptions.. Then I think you should speak. It fraustates me when people speak when the don't have Facts... Awaiting your response.
Just remember there are two other mines in that area..
Nop, you are wrong..
No rivers in DR have a bloody red cyanide color...not even with Rosario Dominicana..check the photos in the forum of DT that I posted..
An image worth a thousand words and will certainly clarify certain topics....
And you will see all the jobs and prosperity in the area..
You would understand WAY Better..
VIC: a question.. How do you know it is Barrick that is polluting these rivers? Just give me acutal concrete facts and I will chalk this one up to you. Just a Straight forward answer, not a google or Bing answer. Waiting in anticipation.
ok,NYCguy: you dont need to be an Einstein to know 2 +2 =4, there are things that you dont need to Google because it's so obvious..
In 500 years , rivers and fresh waters in DR look like regular rivers in the world. For the last 3 years ALL the fishes of the Hatillo Dam, Rio margajita,Yuma river, Maguagua River etc changed the color and were packed with dead fishes.
It was so obvious that Barrick Gold is hiring tanks to delivered fresh waters daily to affected communities.
In the photos you can see dozens on trucks and tanks working in on the premises of those rivers.
Did you know that to produce 1 oz of gold you need 4 thousand gallons of water?
Do you think Barrick Gold is importing that water from Canada?
.. continue
-The CEO of BG in DR admit himself that they were importing massive amount of cyanide.If you check my post you can find the date and the source exactly..
- I remember that the chemistry dept of UASD was publicly warning everyone no to approve the contract because they found huge amount of heavy metal and cyanide in the waters of Cotui around BG, the nest of some of the most important rivers in Cibao. Money talks and bs walks.
So,lets check the facts:
1.-Dead fishes and red rivers suddenly JUST around BG
2.-The CEO admision of using cyanide and mercury
3.- The finding of UASD dept of chemistry
4.-They are working and they admit they are producing gold so far: It means that THEY ARE using the water
5.-Testimony of dozen of people in the area
6.-If they deliver water to communities it's basically a tacit admission of how they are polluting the water that not so long ago was used by the community..
As I said before: You dont need to be Einstein,
7. -Narco Lie-onel and the corrupt PLD created the contract that created the MESS
I bet he is supporting BG!
Is Lie-onel supporting Barrick "Stold?"
...la verdad duele..!
So those are rumors from the back alley?
or maybe I figure out everything?
Oopppsss.. I got it ..Maybe it's Barrick Gold that is dumping red "Hawaian Punch " on the rivers around Cotui so the water taste better! Right?
Or maybe , the truth is too much for you too handle..
The fact is that they are poisoning our waters , croops and land FOREVER and they fix the contract in such a way that no dominican will get a dime out of it..
After a lot of people start going to the hospital because their rice is flooded with Yuma River cyanide , the situation will be too late to handle.
The fact is that they haven't and they aint gonna build anything, no street no infrastructure, no jobs,no hospital, no school, no NOTHING!
They are just selling empty promises or "espejitos por oro" and dominicans are the new "indians" , the most stupid people on earth..Right?
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt."Mark Twain"
Again: Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
You are lucky enough not to be force to be display w/ your family , without a job and without the need to drink fresh water on everyday basics..
But dominicans are my people and every time foreigners try to do bad things to my people they are doing to me as well..
So let's check the facts :
1-you havent provide any name of school in Cotui,
2-you havent mention where the cyanide is coming from,
3-why BG is providing water to the communities
4-why suddenly after BG appears in Cotui there are no more fishes and a suddenly red cyanide tipical color?
5-why do you think BG CEO is wrong when he said he import huge amount of cyanide
6-why do you think uasd chemistry dept is wrong
7-why over 300 peruvian miners got intoxicated with cyanide
8.-what are the name of the streets BG build in Cotui
9.-Do you think BG is importing water to clean their mess?
etc ,
As dominican in this case ,the apathy should be a crime
Ms. Vickey TOTALLY Bi-polar;............ He attacks Barrick “Stold” yet supports Narco Lie-onel who is the VILLAIN who signed off on this EGREGIOUS Contract!
It's never a bad idea to learn a bit about nation-state rights, sovereignty, transnational law, and international politics in general before giving one's opinion about these matters. Bickering and ad-hominem attacks never accomplish anything constructive. Let's use our social media wisely. (while glaring righteously). :)
Yeah do some research folks!
Nationalize the Mine and Send Barrick “Stold” Packing!
Now everybody loves the Chilean Neo Liberal “Chicago Boys” Economic Miracle yet a little known or talked about part is:
“The nationalised Chilean mines were kept under state control after the Pinochet's 1973 Chilean coup d'état, despite the junta's pro-U.S. leanings and this is still the case, largely because of public sentiment and because Codelco is a major contributor to the Chilean Exchequer (Treasury). Codelco pays income tax, all dividends go to the government and it also pays a 10% tax on the export value of copper products and associated byproducts according to Law 13,136.”
wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_nationalization_of_copper
You are right, I read those articles about Chile and their mines.
I further learned by watching Mr Castellano at DR channel 5,that the original investments by BG
was US$2.7billions up to 2007 and claimed an investment of US$4.5 at the end of 2012,in paper only ,so as to avoid taxes. The agreement reads that the DR gvt.is not to recieve any money from them untill their investment is recuperated by them Every year they keep increasing their investments which in turn DR is not going to see any money, or maybe US$300 millions in 2017 providing no more investment is done.I also learned that this contract could be ratified by either parties, if not satidfied ,which is the case of DR.I also learned that at the time of contrat signature the gold onze was US$300 and skied rocket to US$1700 and climbing by then would be US$3000
My opinion is if the enviroment is affected ,the best thing is to terminate the contract. Since when is any mayor of a DR town allowed to collect tax?