| #1 - Posted 6 May 2012, 10:18 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: January 2012 Member #: 9968 Posts: 486 | Sarkozy Defeated in French Election The American in Paris By ROSECRANS BALDWIN Published: May 6, 2012 FRANCE is glad to be rid of Nicolas Sarkozy, who lost the country’s presidency in a runoff election this weekend to the Socialist candidate, François Hollande. He was ineffective in office, and prone to gaffes in public. But the French will miss him more than they realize. Beneath the boorishness, the cringe-worthy comments, he transformed how France thinks of the presidency, just as he altered what America thinks of the French. Heads of France lead from a palace, and traditionally they retire to a cloud. Mr. Sarkozy’s predecessors, François Mitterrand and Jacques Chirac, the “my two dads” of the Fifth Republic, still float above the country, disembodied and untouchable. Their reputations are fixed: Mr. Chirac is beloved despite a recent conviction for embezzling public funds, while Mr. Mitterrand is remembered as dignified, despite the mistress and the secret daughter that he hid from public view. Mr. Sarkozy could not have been more different. He occupied the throne as a man of flesh, neither celestial nor sovereign. He had earthly desires and prejudices, and often seemed blind to how they’d be perceived. He held a lavish dinner on the night he was first elected. He took a vacation on a wealthy supporter’s yacht. Soon after he divorced his wife he dashed toward celebrity, marrying a supermodel after taking her on a date to Disneyland Paris. If you have a hard time picturing a French president wearing mouse ears, imagine France’s reaction. The French like their presidents fatherly, even grandfatherly. In Mr. Sarkozy’s case, there simply was too much skin — pictures of the president sunbathing next to his bikini babe, or wearing running shorts on the palace steps after a jog. Nor did he seem to hold much esteem for the masses. Only two weeks ago, a video surfaced online of Mr. Sarkozy, pressing flesh in Paris’s Place de la Concorde, discreetly slipping off his $70,000 watch, as if he feared a supporter might steal it while shaking hands. But Mr. Sarkozy’s flaws also made him accessible. He was brash, young, emotional and candid, blunt as the cigars he loved to smoke. He adored the spotlight but was said to be moody in private. And he was vain, so vain. Mr. Sarkozy is short, and he was aware that his countrymen, unjustly, would hold it against him in office. In photographs with his taller wife, he often took the high ground; occasionally he wore stacked heels. Even in the big televised debate between the candidates last week, during what was considered Mr. Sarkozy’s last chance to win over France, he was emotional, jolting and weaving — for three hours, part boxer, part teenager, all heart. Meanwhile Mr. Hollande sat in place, shoulders fixed, calm and steady. Only occasionally did he wobble like the top of a crème caramel. French politicians draw from an elite, unvaried cadre — again, with Mr. Sarkozy an exception. Mr. Hollande, “Monsieur Normal,” is, in this way, a reversion to the mean. He’s calm and placid and dislikes confrontation. He will embody France as no one outside France may want it to appear: bland, elitist, aloof. In fact, Mr. Sarkozy was never particularly “French” as we know it. He wasn’t a gourmand, academic or wonk. He loved America, unabashedly, and Elvis, and wasn’t ashamed to say so. And we, to the extent that we could ever love a French president, took to him. Americans don’t mind millionaires running our business. Mr. Sarkozy, president of the rich, was always more our man than theirs. For five years, we had a man in Europe we could have elected ourselves. Now he’s gone. The vote wasn’t for Mr. Hollande, but against his opposite — a rebuff of Mr. Sarkozy’s policies, but also his singularity, his vanity and naughtiness. France and America have a long history of mutual loathing and longing. Americans still dream of Paris; Parisians still dream of the America they find in the movies of David Lynch. It will take time for both countries to adjust to a new leader, a new image. For our part, we may even learn what a real Socialist is. But the French will have it worse. They may not miss Nicolas Sarkozy now; they may never pine for him to return. They will, however, feel his absence. The temperature will drop. When an object we love to hate is removed, then love is lost, too. Rosecrans Baldwin is the author of “Paris, I Love You but You’re Bringing Me Down.” http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/07/opinion/the-american-in-paris.html?_r=1 ![]() |
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| #2 - Posted 7 May 2012, 5:35 AM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10609 | RE: Sarkozy Defeated in French Election One more journalist pandering to US prejudice to earn his $$$,s. If he had said something different the nyt would not have published! When I was working in Paris most Americans I met were very happy there amazingly so since they wer using state enterprises constantly day in day out - power, railways, metro, museums, TV, post health services etc etc. S. Quote: grapeape previously said: The American in Paris By ROSECRANS BALDWIN Published: May 6, 2012 FRANCE is glad to be rid of Nicolas Sarkozy, who lost the country’s presidency in a runoff election this weekend to the Socialist candidate, François Hollande. He was ineffective in office, and prone to gaffes in public. But the French will miss him more than they realize. Beneath the boorishness, the cringe-worthy comments, he transformed how France thinks of the presidency, just as he altered what America thinks of the French. Heads of France lead from a palace, and traditionally they retire to a cloud. Mr. Sarkozy’s predecessors, François Mitterrand and Jacques Chirac, the “my two dads” of the Fifth Republic, still float above the country, disembodied and untouchable. Their reputations are fixed: Mr. Chirac is beloved despite a recent conviction for embezzling public funds, while Mr. Mitterrand is remembered as dignified, despite the mistress and the secret daughter that he hid from public view. Mr. Sarkozy could not have been more different. He occupied the throne as a man of flesh, neither celestial nor sovereign. He had earthly desires and prejudices, and often seemed blind to how they’d be perceived. He held a lavish dinner on the night he was first elected. He took a vacation on a wealthy supporter’s yacht. Soon after he divorced his wife he dashed toward celebrity, marrying a supermodel after taking her on a date to Disneyland Paris. If you have a hard time picturing a French president wearing mouse ears, imagine France’s reaction. The French like their presidents fatherly, even grandfatherly. In Mr. Sarkozy’s case, there simply was too much skin — pictures of the president sunbathing next to his bikini babe, or wearing running shorts on the palace steps after a jog. Nor did he seem to hold much esteem for the masses. Only two weeks ago, a video surfaced online of Mr. Sarkozy, pressing flesh in Paris’s Place de la Concorde, discreetly slipping off his $70,000 watch, as if he feared a supporter might steal it while shaking hands. But Mr. Sarkozy’s flaws also made him accessible. He was brash, young, emotional and candid, blunt as the cigars he loved to smoke. He adored the spotlight but was said to be moody in private. And he was vain, so vain. Mr. Sarkozy is short, and he was aware that his countrymen, unjustly, would hold it against him in office. In photographs with his taller wife, he often took the high ground; occasionally he wore stacked heels. Even in the big televised debate between the candidates last week, during what was considered Mr. Sarkozy’s last chance to win over France, he was emotional, jolting and weaving — for three hours, part boxer, part teenager, all heart. Meanwhile Mr. Hollande sat in place, shoulders fixed, calm and steady. Only occasionally did he wobble like the top of a crème caramel. French politicians draw from an elite, unvaried cadre — again, with Mr. Sarkozy an exception. Mr. Hollande, “Monsieur Normal,” is, in this way, a reversion to the mean. He’s calm and placid and dislikes confrontation. He will embody France as no one outside France may want it to appear: bland, elitist, aloof. In fact, Mr. Sarkozy was never particularly “French” as we know it. He wasn’t a gourmand, academic or wonk. He loved America, unabashedly, and Elvis, and wasn’t ashamed to say so. And we, to the extent that we could ever love a French president, took to him. Americans don’t mind millionaires running our business. Mr. Sarkozy, president of the rich, was always more our man than theirs. For five years, we had a man in Europe we could have elected ourselves. Now he’s gone. The vote wasn’t for Mr. Hollande, but against his opposite — a rebuff of Mr. Sarkozy’s policies, but also his singularity, his vanity and naughtiness. France and America have a long history of mutual loathing and longing. Americans still dream of Paris; Parisians still dream of the America they find in the movies of David Lynch. It will take time for both countries to adjust to a new leader, a new image. For our part, we may even learn what a real Socialist is. But the French will have it worse. They may not miss Nicolas Sarkozy now; they may never pine for him to return. They will, however, feel his absence. The temperature will drop. When an object we love to hate is removed, then love is lost, too. Rosecrans Baldwin is the author of “Paris, I Love You but You’re Bringing Me Down.” http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/07/opinion/the-american-in-paris.html?_r=1 |
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| #3 - Posted 8 May 2012, 1:53 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10609 | RE: Sarkozy Defeated in French Election Victory for the people and anti-austerity! S. Edited on 5/9/2012 3:47 PM by abc200. |
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| #4 - Posted 10 May 2012, 8:54 AM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 16629 | RE: Sarkozy Defeated in French Election Quote: abc200 previously said: Victory for the people and anti-austerity! S. As with Mitterrand's gambit, the MARKET will have its say "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck William Arthur Ward - "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. |
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| #5 - Posted 10 May 2012, 9:24 AM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10609 | RE: Sarkozy Defeated in French Election Quote: Atabey previously said: Quote: abc200 previously said: Victory for the people and anti-austerity! S. As with Mitterrand's gambit, the MARKET will have its say The difference now is the rise of state-sponored or state controlled capitialism. Major oil companies, the leading 7 in reserves, leading power companies, leading airlines etc. etc. are either controlled by the state or have major state stakeholdings. Private investors are no longer in the position of power to turn off investment, as happened in 90-91 etc. France etc. can start major public sector investments, aid to developing countries etc. Banks, many quasi state institutions are directed to lend money ot important sectors of the economy, sustainable energy etc. Governments all over the world are recognizing that pure market economics have failed. S. |
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| #6 - Posted 17 May 2012, 8:27 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: January 2012 Member #: 9968 Posts: 486 | RE: Sarkozy Defeated in French Election Quote: abc200 previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: Quote: abc200 previously said: Victory for the people and anti-austerity! S. As with Mitterrand's gambit, the MARKET will have its say The difference now is the rise of state-sponored or state controlled capitialism. Major oil companies, the leading 7 in reserves, leading power companies, leading airlines etc. etc. are either controlled by the state or have major state stakeholdings. Private investors are no longer in the position of power to turn off investment, as happened in 90-91 etc. France etc. can start major public sector investments, aid to developing countries etc. Banks, many quasi state institutions are directed to lend money ot important sectors of the economy, sustainable energy etc. Governments all over the world are recognizing that pure market economics have failed. S. china ![]() |
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| #7 - Posted 17 May 2012, 8:30 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: January 2012 Member #: 9968 Posts: 486 | RE: Sarkozy Defeated in French Election Quote: abc200 previously said: One more journalist pandering to US prejudice to earn his $$$,s. If he had said something different the nyt would not have published! When I was working in Paris most Americans I met were very happy there amazingly so since they wer using state enterprises constantly day in day out - power, railways, metro, museums, TV, post health services etc etc. S. i'm not denigrating their choice. socialism works fine for all those conservatives when it's corporate welfare and bailouts for big corporations. then even glenn beck is saying we need socialist measures "and the weasels in washington know it." i agree with michael moore that really neither have worked out purely and we need to find something else - something new that works better for us. we already have an amalgamation really, just no one wants to admit it. ![]() |
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| #8 - Posted 6 April 2013, 2:17 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: April 2010 Member #: 4904 Posts: 1242 | RE: Sarkozy Defeated in French Election |
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