| #61 - Posted 7 May 2009, 9:59 PM | |
Location: Canada, home safe Join date: January 2008 Member #: 268 Posts: 2787 | RE: RD fea pa' la foto Quote: poponlaburra previously said: Another incident happened where another Haitian savage decapitated and cut off the feet of an affluent Italian in La Romana. The savage Haitian fled to Haiti. He was contacted by phone and openly admitted to the killing. The Haitian police know of his whereabouts but have not captured him. Now is this the type of gene pool we want our generation to have? Popon can you provide more information link or news article We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope. |
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| #62 - Posted 7 May 2009, 10:04 PM | |
Location: Canada, home safe Join date: January 2008 Member #: 268 Posts: 2787 | RE: RD fea pa' la foto This is what was posted by Pichardo a Dominican blogger at Haitixchange forum http://www.haitixchange.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/2372/P48/ The issue at hand is that no public lynching should be tolerated, be it to punish criminals of Dominican or foreign nationality. We're a nation based on laws and order, we're NOT Africa or certain other countries where public safety, law and order or any type of security is missing. That Haitian media is not reporting the events that concluded to the lynching of the Haitian national, is basically a problem of Haitians to deal with. Since their media controls what they read/see/hear of what happens within Haiti and in large of what happens in the outside world, it's their problem to deal with. The fact that a mob formed and condoned the actions of a citizen, plainly criminal and horrendous for the actions, it’s intolerable. I don't give an iota whether the man sought revenge or what not for the beheading of his kin, he knew better than to take the law into his hands. Add to that the fact that the man he killed was not the man that took his brother’s life, makes his actions the more disgusting. What's next? Should we applaud the killing of family members of one family to satisfy another's loss? This is not a matter of what the Haitian gov can or lacks the authority to demand. This is a matter of law and order within a country based on respect and civil obligations. Not one single Dominican gov official or congress member has voiced their disapproval or rebuke to the demand/claims elevated by Haiti. This is a good sign that they understand that allowing this kind of action within our country to go severely unpunished, will take away all and any advance we have made as a civil society based on law and order. Public lynching have been happening all too often in the DR as of lately. The gov and law paid too little attention when the first case was publicized by the media here. The Haitian man that beheaded his Dominican employer didn't have any right or excuse to his actions, for the same token this brother had even less acting out of vengeance and disregard for the rights and human life of the man he murdered so atrociously. You're right in saying that it's a case for the DR's law and order system to deal with, but deal with it hasn't been done for too long and this is where we come to stand today for inaction. This is not the first time a person is beheaded in the DR by criminal actions; the immense difference is the way the action was carried out in the case that sadly included a foreign national. When the public applauds the actions of a single individual while committing a crime, is not any different than when criminals are tried in court of complicity to commit a crime. Like I said, several of the people within the crowd were Haitians and of Haitian origin themselves, but even them failed to stop a crime from taking place b/c they have very little confidence and trust in the Police and law to bring criminals to pay for their crimes. This is a monumental failure of our law and order to take the lead when other equal lynchings were taking place in the country. They only needed to prosecute to the maximum penalty to those who participated in past lynching; the actions would have stopped the same from happening again. Just like the Haitian official said: There's a perceived understanding in the Dominican population that actions like these will not be prosecuted and remain immune to the law. Regarding Haiti and their officials, the same they demand from Dominican authorities should be done in Haiti. The times public lynching takes place in rural towns and remote places is far too often and very little, if anything, is done to prosecute those that take part in them. As far as calling unto the international institutions in this case by Haiti will in fact reflect the lack of competence within Haiti's cabinet and officials, to separate the actions of individuals from gov policies and condoning of actions carried out by individuals at large. This is a criminal case that needs to be prosecuted extensively and with severity by the DR's system. Anything that Haiti does only reflect back onto their own gov and policies adopted in regards to bi-national agreements and understanding. We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope. |
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| #63 - Posted 7 May 2009, 11:33 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net Join date: November 2008 Member #: 1609 Posts: 1866 | RE: RD fea pa' la foto Quote: antonioj previously said: This is what was posted by Pichardo a Dominican blogger at Haitixchange forum http://www.haitixchange.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/2372/P48/ The issue at hand is that no public lynching should be tolerated, be it to punish criminals of Dominican or foreign nationality. We're a nation based on laws and order, we're NOT Africa or certain other countries where public safety, law and order or any type of security is missing. That Haitian media is not reporting the events that concluded to the lynching of the Haitian national, is basically a problem of Haitians to deal with. Since their media controls what they read/see/hear of what happens within Haiti and in large of what happens in the outside world, it's their problem to deal with. The fact that a mob formed and condoned the actions of a citizen, plainly criminal and horrendous for the actions, it’s intolerable. I don't give an iota whether the man sought revenge or what not for the beheading of his kin, he knew better than to take the law into his hands. Add to that the fact that the man he killed was not the man that took his brother’s life, makes his actions the more disgusting. What's next? Should we applaud the killing of family members of one family to satisfy another's loss? This is not a matter of what the Haitian gov can or lacks the authority to demand. This is a matter of law and order within a country based on respect and civil obligations. Not one single Dominican gov official or congress member has voiced their disapproval or rebuke to the demand/claims elevated by Haiti. This is a good sign that they understand that allowing this kind of action within our country to go severely unpunished, will take away all and any advance we have made as a civil society based on law and order. Public lynching have been happening all too often in the DR as of lately. The gov and law paid too little attention when the first case was publicized by the media here. The Haitian man that beheaded his Dominican employer didn't have any right or excuse to his actions, for the same token this brother had even less acting out of vengeance and disregard for the rights and human life of the man he murdered so atrociously. You're right in saying that it's a case for the DR's law and order system to deal with, but deal with it hasn't been done for too long and this is where we come to stand today for inaction. This is not the first time a person is beheaded in the DR by criminal actions; the immense difference is the way the action was carried out in the case that sadly included a foreign national. When the public applauds the actions of a single individual while committing a crime, is not any different than when criminals are tried in court of complicity to commit a crime. Like I said, several of the people within the crowd were Haitians and of Haitian origin themselves, but even them failed to stop a crime from taking place b/c they have very little confidence and trust in the Police and law to bring criminals to pay for their crimes. This is a monumental failure of our law and order to take the lead when other equal lynchings were taking place in the country. They only needed to prosecute to the maximum penalty to those who participated in past lynching; the actions would have stopped the same from happening again. Just like the Haitian official said: There's a perceived understanding in the Dominican population that actions like these will not be prosecuted and remain immune to the law. Regarding Haiti and their officials, the same they demand from Dominican authorities should be done in Haiti. The times public lynching takes place in rural towns and remote places is far too often and very little, if anything, is done to prosecute those that take part in them. As far as calling unto the international institutions in this case by Haiti will in fact reflect the lack of competence within Haiti's cabinet and officials, to separate the actions of individuals from gov policies and condoning of actions carried out by individuals at large. This is a criminal case that needs to be prosecuted extensively and with severity by the DR's system. Anything that Haiti does only reflect back onto their own gov and policies adopted in regards to bi-national agreements and understanding. "PROUD & Glad to have a Spanish last name and ancestry" |
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| #64 - Posted 8 May 2009, 1:23 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net Join date: November 2008 Member #: 1609 Posts: 1866 | RE: RD fea pa' la foto DR is a poor third world country. The fact that this Haitian savage killed the hand who fed him with such a horrendous death and now his Haitians country men are seeking for the avenger to be punished is almost laughable. I must admit, maybe the Dominican man shouldn’t behave like or imitate the Haitian savage beast’s far sub-human, inhumane, savage, horrible, intolerable way, but, who I am to say how one will behave, feel and react when faced with the harshest reality of seen your beloved brother, the son of your mother, the son of your father, the friend of your friend, the neighbor, the husband, the father, the father of your kids, your other half, decapitated? This Haitian savage beast not only killed a Dominican employer, he created terror in a community. Yes this is a type of terror that Dominicans are not used to. Can you imagine what this Haitian man did to this community, to the city to the country, to the world? Can you imagine the night mare our kids have to endure by watching and remembering such act? This type of inhumane terror was never seen in Dominican Republic soil. Another negative for the Haitians in our soil and the world. It only proved what savage beast they are that can not be trusted. Why a single Dominican government official would come out and voiced their disapproval on this act when this Haitian savage beast brought it to himself? The Haitian was not an innocent bystander, the Haitian was not an innocent protester, the Haitian was not an innocent victim he was a murderer, a savage beast murderer. He was the worst of the worm, which someone had to crush other wise he will go back to Haiti and live free ever after. So the message was sent, do not think you Haitians will come her to DR and commit the most horrible crimes on our people and think you will not get punished. All that said, my condolences to the both Dominican Families the diseased one and the brother's one that have to endure and remember such tragedy brought to them by the Haitian savage beast. And I wish the victim’s brother immediate release. Edited on 5/8/2009 1:27 AM by poponlaburra. "PROUD & Glad to have a Spanish last name and ancestry" |
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| #65 - Posted 8 May 2009, 6:41 AM | |
Location: Canada, Montreal Join date: April 2009 Member #: 2474 Posts: 480 | RE: RD fea pa' la foto Quote: poponlaburra previously said: DR is a poor third world country. The fact that this Haitian savage killed the hand who fed him with such a horrendous death and now his Haitians country men are seeking for the avenger to be punished is almost laughable. I must admit, maybe the Dominican man shouldn’t behave like or imitate the Haitian savage beast’s far sub-human, inhumane, savage, horrible, intolerable way, but, who I am to say how one will behave, feel and react when faced with the harshest reality of seen your beloved brother, the son of your mother, the son of your father, the friend of your friend, the neighbor, the husband, the father, the father of your kids, your other half, decapitated? This Haitian savage beast not only killed a Dominican employer, he created terror in a community. Yes this is a type of terror that Dominicans are not used to. Can you imagine what this Haitian man did to this community, to the city to the country, to the world? Can you imagine the night mare our kids have to endure by watching and remembering such act? This type of inhumane terror was never seen in Dominican Republic soil. Another negative for the Haitians in our soil and the world. It only proved what savage beast they are that can not be trusted. Why a single Dominican government official would come out and voiced their disapproval on this act when this Haitian savage beast brought it to himself? The Haitian was not an innocent bystander, the Haitian was not an innocent protester, the Haitian was not an innocent victim he was a murderer, a savage beast murderer. He was the worst of the worm, which someone had to crush other wise he will go back to Haiti and live free ever after. So the message was sent, do not think you Haitians will come her to DR and commit the most horrible crimes on our people and think you will not get punished. All that said, my condolences to the both Dominican Families the diseased one and the brother's one that have to endure and remember such tragedy brought to them by the Haitian savage beast. And I wish the victim’s brother immediate release. L Y A R ! in the 30's, the brother of my grand-father took a boat in D.R., were he was born and living. The dominican dude gave him a boat who wasnt to him. You know what they do ? They call an other dude to kill the brother of my grand-father, in the wather ! My grand-father let the boat and swung... If he was not doing this, he would be an other man killed by a "koupe tet". So when you say that dominican never do this, lying lying lying !! |
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| #66 - Posted 8 May 2009, 9:30 AM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 3095 | RE: RD fea pa' la foto Quote: oupala07 previously said: Mister Carlosfrancos, When I used to be in my early teen, my best friend was a haitian/dominican hybrid. In my early adulthood, my girlfriend was the most beautiful black Dominican I have ever seen, and she came from San Pedro de Marcoris. I know where it is located on your side of the map, but I've never been there and I don't think, for the present time, I will ever enjoy going there. When I used to be a kid the best restaurant in my neighbourhood was the property of a Dominican woman, and the US servicemen and sailors used to have some awsome brawls just outside on the sidewalk. In those times, I have never heard about hatred between the two people. In fact, it was a real love affair between them. Even though after the american invasion of the 60s, some of your politicians, whom among others, the most vocable was Balaguer, started a smear and dirt campaign against our country and people. I have tried hard to comprehend the reason of that resentment and I still can't find any reason. Anyway, I think that love affair is really over as far as some of us are concerned. Oh! There will still be a lot of us that, for variious reasons, won't give a damn, and will continue to turn the other cheek. However, as I said, for some of us, the treshold has been reached and there won't no coming back to normal. I have really nothing against you the "Hateros", I have only sympathy and pity for you. By your complex of inferiority and your desire to prove your "grandeur" to everybody, you have helped crippling the very people and nation that could have helped your make this island an economic and military power house. You have decided to sell yourself to the foreign powers and their wealthy nationals who nown own your economy and your elite. They are pushing you hard against us because they just want to control you. In fact, every time you want to control a group of people, you give them a genocide beecause it overwhelms them with a sensation of superiority over their victims, and at the same time they see a kind of half god in the politician who has the ball to take so many lives without blinking. I am pretty sure that we were in the early twentieth century, we haitians, by now would have been dead meat in front of your well equiped army. My friends, more haitians know what is happening than you think, and if you dominicans were as educated as the ones among us who are blessed to be, you wouldn't waste your time searching for an identity that you don't have and hatred that you do not have any reason to nurse toward us. In fact, if there would be resentment, it should be us the Haitans to have it in our heart for you, because of what Trujillo has done to us, and your actual politicians are doing right now. No my friend, You have decided to side with our enemies because you falsely identify yourself to them than to us, and you are taking advantage of their hatred toward us to not only lift pass us, but to belitle us to a second class nation and people. We can't allow that to happen. You can keep plotting with the United states and France as long as you can, you will maybe draw some financial advantage, but when our brain power will take over, you will find yourself back at square on and it means, behind us. Let me tell you what is going to happen now my friend just because of your miscalculation. The amount of respect that Quisqueyan islanders should have enjoyed will be reverted to Cuba. As a matter of fact, when the American will finally lift the embargo on the Castro regime, this one will be elevated to the rank of a medium regional power. Cuba will be the next power house in the Caribbean. What will the Dominican do about it? We Haitians, and you know it, have much more expertise than you in state management. Remember that we are the second oldest country in the Americas. When we will be able to free ourselves from your economic invasion and occupation, we will outbrain and outspend you. Our diaspora is more educated and more capable than yours. Furthermore, our elite is wealthier than yours, and if they will decide to follow, the economic and technology void between our two countries will be rapidly filled. No my friend, I think you the Dominicans, by falling into the racism and a fabricated nationalism that you are nourrishing on our back, you have just missed the real opportunity to make the Island what Cuba will be in a not so distant future. In fact, the United States have no other options than to go after the billions in contracts that the Cuban government will be prepared to spend in order to rebuild the country infrastructure, and if they keep playing to the absent minded, the Russians, the Bresilians, the Chinese and even the Canadians will me more than eager to take their place. Besides, a part of the least conservative branch of Corporate America is already yelling and screaming in favor of the lifting of all trade sanctions against the island. However, as I know them, the yankees will keep things quiet while slowly and stealthily, they normalize things with socialist cuba the same way they did with China. As I said, I feel very sorry for you Dominicans to have fallen so low in the eyes of the world. When the Powers you are pleasing now will be lessen or no more, who will you serve and will you be still that arrogant and unjust toward us? Anyway, that is your problem, for mine has already been solved, and even though I can't nourish the same hatred toward your people, I can't be their friend either. I don't think you will ever see me setting foot on your soil and if I was a Haitian president, the border would have actually been closed, and all commercial relations between our two nations would have stopped. You would have wanted to expulse all of our nationals living on your soil, and I would have taken them back with no problem. And I am pretty sure that when your government would have found out that it is short of half a trillion dollars of income, then it would have started, like in the past, to see us on a different angle of vision I will stop here to give you the time to read it all and not to fall asleep. hey CRACKHEAD... Read this You feel pity for me... JAJAJAJJA It isn't very hard to feel superior to a Haitian when one looks at the conditions that you live in..... HOW ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH is HAITI going to make the DR or Hispaniola an ECONOMIC POWERHOUSE... You're on CRACK LADY If anything call me a TRUJILLISTA... But am in no way, shape or form in league with American and French designs for the Island... Your believes that we're in league with the west is just pure Haitian-Paranoia Haitian don't have a state to have expertise in running one... YOU'RE FU...ED IN THE HEAD... Haiti is a ruin... WHAT MANAGEMENT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT...? RUNNING A COUNTRY THAT EXPORTS ITS PEOPLE IN ORDER TO FEED THEM... CRACK HEAD CUBA... you idiot... Is a larger island and therefore has more resources than we do... Their education is also better than ours, since they also are more scientific and mathematically taught... We Dominicans have more religion in our blood than science and math. Also the geographic position of Cuba as it relates to distance with the US is closer than ours too... AND THAT’S WHY CUBA WILL SURPASS US... NOT BECAUSE DOMINICANS DON"T WANT THE HAITIAN... This scientific explanation might be beyond your comprehension capacities... When Cuba wasn't communist before the 1960s... there was a prosperous country in the Caribbean called the DOMINICAN REPUBLIC... No threats my friend from the CUBAN... They will do their thing and we will do ours... Cuba has always existed along side of us, and the Embargo is barely 50 years old… The only thing that will not change is Haiti, your people will keep reproducing and then sending us your problems to deal with... THAT'S A FACT In the eyes of whom have we fallen so low... EXPLAIN YOURSELVE PLEASE, CUZ if you mean, in the eyes of Haitians... Then know this... I DON"T GIVE A RAT'S ASS ABOUT WHAT YOU PEOPLE THINK... YOUR OPINION CLEARLY DOESN'T MATTER, HERE, THERE, AND ANYWHERE Edited on 5/8/2009 9:36 AM by CarlosFranco. |
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| #67 - Posted 8 May 2009, 9:41 AM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 3095 | RE: RD fea pa' la foto Quote: lakiskeyana previously said: Children learn by example. A group of people, acting on their own interpretation of justice, out of vengeance for an unpunished crime, decapitated a human being in the street, in broad daylight, while the group members cheered on. This is evident on the videos taken by witnesses that are available on the Net. So far, the authors of this crime have not been arrested for their crime, although their faces are apparent on video. That sends a message throughout the population: it's ok, and you can get away with it, no one really cares. Eventhough I truly enjoy my life in the Dominican Republic I have had to live with xenophobia. I have many Dominican friends and a few godchildren that I care for very much. I have learned the hard way about what Dominicans think of Haitians, through my son going to private school here. I don't hold any stereotypes of what all Dominican looks like. I have no preconceived notions about what Dominican culture is or should be, I enjoy learning. I also learn from your political process but am careful to be respectful of your opinions. What I enjoy most here is that this is Kiskeya and I am a Kiskeyana de pura sepa, that's who I am. You failed to mention that the Haitian that was decapitated had before that happened, decapitated a DOMINICAN... Did you not read that, or are you just avoiding it? and by the way it is QUISQUEYA... how it is spelled!! Stop Haitianizing my country please!!! |
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| #68 - Posted 8 May 2009, 9:46 AM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 3095 | RE: RD fea pa' la foto Quote: lakiskeyana previously said: People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Dominican immigrants, including yourself, belong to a group of people who benefit from tax payers services in another country, hospitals, schools, roads, to name a few; maybe like me you're legal and pay your taxes, as you should, when you should. Congratulations, in that case. I don't bite the hand that feeds me by expressing the opinion that a human beings should be dealt with decency. USA has taught us that is freedom of speech and a call to awareness. Haitians are disgusting because 10% of the country has 90% of the wealth? Although that idea has been publicized, If that statement were ever true it's been a different ball game since 1990. There's a new 10%. Regardless of the accuracy, let us discuss principle. You live in capitalistic USA where Forbes magazine publishes that 1% of the richest people own 40% of the riches of the whole world, that's normal I guess. Thank you for admitting that it's a horrendous crime for a mob to decapitate anyone. We pay taxes to those countries you know... and some of us have served in their wars... |
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| #69 - Posted 8 May 2009, 2:06 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 6487 | RE: RD fea pa' la foto Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: Quote: lakiskeyana previously said: People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Dominican immigrants, including yourself, belong to a group of people who benefit from tax payers services in another country, hospitals, schools, roads, to name a few; maybe like me you're legal and pay your taxes, as you should, when you should. Congratulations, in that case. I don't bite the hand that feeds me by expressing the opinion that a human beings should be dealt with decency. USA has taught us that is freedom of speech and a call to awareness. Haitians are disgusting because 10% of the country has 90% of the wealth? Although that idea has been publicized, If that statement were ever true it's been a different ball game since 1990. There's a new 10%. Regardless of the accuracy, let us discuss principle. You live in capitalistic USA where Forbes magazine publishes that 1% of the richest people own 40% of the riches of the whole world, that's normal I guess. Thank you for admitting that it's a horrendous crime for a mob to decapitate anyone. We pay taxes to those countries you know... and some of us have served in their wars... People from my mom's town (Baitoa) have been immigrating to the states since the 1930s (and legally I might add. I know of VERY few Baitoeros that came in illegally and their is scarcely a family from said town that doesn't have at least one family member in the states). Among the Baitoeros you can find men that have fought in WWII, Korea, etc... Some of us are going on our third generation here. Some of our families have been here for quite some time now. "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" - Voltaire |
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| #70 - Posted 9 May 2009, 4:27 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: January 2009 Member #: 1932 Posts: 1300 | RE: RD fea pa' la foto Quote: poponlaburra previously said: Quote: TN1804 previously said: Looser's are son of bi*** like you. Go see in each country where haitian are you will see how they always have succes. Dominican are number one in the area in.... prostitute ! Haitians are number one in....: -Going global..... -Global Human Burden in all aspects. -Global Women abandoning and dumping their babies in Dominican soil. -Global Men lacking the balls to protect their women and their children so they do not become a burden to the Dominican system. -Number one going global in begging and deserting their country after destroying it............................................................................................................................... Popon: Please do not validate the argument of an igoramus by acknowledging the comment and musch less replying to it..... We all know that all cultures and races have their fair share of prostitutes, some of us have even fallen for their kind and beautiful mermail calls,however, there is a reason why they , the others, do not excel at that .. but I wont lower myself to TN's level and try to exploit that as a weakness. If only the educated Haitian's would spend more time in their country to solve their problems instead of bloggin , theere would be a different Haiti..... |
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