Haitians on the D.R. side of the border insert.


LAUTARO

Tell that to the thousands of haitian women that have to cross the border in order to give birth to their children with a minimum of decency, and most of all, safety. No offense but, have you really lost your mind? Did you know that there are only 2,246 medics to attend the needs of the 8,6 million haitians? And that, from those 2,246 medics, 700 are cubans, which are the only ones attending the necessities of the vast poor majority, and that the rest only cater to the rich? Without the dominican medical facilities, the mortality rates among haitian pregnant women would simply skyrocket, and that's a fact that you, or any other prideful haitian can't possibly deny. And no, we don't ask them for a single penny, and I'm not lying to you on this, cuz', besides the fact of being an eyewitness to this, my cousins work at the Metropolitan Hospital of Santiago, where there's an entire wing of the facilities that is devoted to giving them services, and in kreyol ayisien, no less. You diasporan types really need to come down to the island more instead of relying on second hand accounts so much.
*******HAYTI
Two nations can develop relations of interdependence based on mutual respect and mutual benefits. As Haitians, we aspire to develop such relations with all peoples around the world. Some people here rather than pursuing such principles are taking airs of superiority. We don't need that. The Cuban doctors are helping the masses in Haiti with a spirit of solidarity and no airs of superiority. That's an exemplary attitude. But you don't see that here. There is always this "third-world mentality" of always trying to put others down with such dehumanizing terms as "we are better than you", incompetent, idiot etc. Only Stupid, ignorant and infantile people talk like that. It has to do with a lack of self-esteem and they want to project it on others who might be less fortunate than they are in some respects. We do not want any help from such people. They can keep their help in such cases. We may be poor but we have dignity and we want to be treated with dignity. If you can't do that, then you can go stick your head in the sand and dance some merengue. We don't need you.

GIZMO Nobody here that is oppossing you're views is acting in a superior manner. You're problem basically is hiding the facts that Haiti is in a terrible state. The D.R. is in a better position, why then tell me why there's 1.5 to 2 million Haitian illegals settling in D.R. if that wasn't the case, and don't come with that B.S. story about elites and conspiracies that sounds idiotic! Their's no way in hell with so many poor Dominicans that you're explanation can be corroborated or factual. The fact is whereever theres illegal immigrants in any location in the world they will be exploited because of there status that's it!

STOP JUSTIFYING AND DEFENDING EXPLOITATION! INJUSTICE ANYWHERE IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE! (Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.).

You make yourself sound too much like a rotten Hitler disciple.

This guy (cvzvez with 11 posts –is he another new Haitian member?–) is talking about his vision of the future of Haiti. At least he has a vision and I think that this is interesting.

Topic: Racism among Dominicans
#1,967 - Posted 21 April 2009, 12:32 AM
cvzvez

Why are some people so volatile. Look Haiti has it's problems and I think it is alitlle unfair to not consider some of the sabatoge that was thrown it's way. With that said I truely believe for haiti to survive they need to jump in and swim. I think they need to got through a seclusionary period. we need a dictator and we need a military A nation of so many people needs law enforcement that has the balls to enforce and military to protect it's boarders from drugs it. To many outsiders coming in to many insiders going out. Need a ruler that is in the best interest of the people. Who will rezone the country. tear down some houses build some roads. take land and designate it for planting (not ask but take) they do that here in the us is they need the land for the bettermant of the people they will buy the house and build that freeway. People who cut trees where it is not allowed, Not allow people to come into haiti unless they have been rigorisly researced . allow diaspora to bye back their citizenship throught payments for 2years. take that money use it to build infrastucture. Plant, irrigate, great better electrical grids. have a roads initiative. If haiti is better . Dr is better. the one island where tourist can visit two countries. land mass so large exchange of farm goods within the caribean would increase. Decrease the need to buy food from china that fluctuated b/c of gas and oil prices, and the abundant population growth Asia. Deacrease migration to dr. I think countries go through stages it other outside bigger countries don't get involved. Haiti has had stages but most of them imposed. countries evolve to democracy and I thin haiti needs a chavez of a castro now. Go throught years of stablility, and sense of nationalism a sense of leaving something for their children tomorrow. not selling it to the next gringo that comes along. If they can experience this for generations they will regain a sensce of the country first my people first not money or greed.. I do not thin this is the mentality of the general people of haiti. lower class. Hup upper class has been to conditioned not to worry about the pesents that is in many countries that have such poverty even in Dr. there will always be theives but the difference in haiti is they take to the point of depletion. Taking to depletio satisfies no one in the long runs.

We need a dictator and we need a military.
cvzvez

cvzvez, Haiti has had dictators and Haiti has had military. The first solution has not worked and the second either. Haitians are too corrupts, too thieves and they do not take care of their own people.
I think that it is more than obvious that Haitians cannot resolve their problems alone.
It is necessary the intervention of the international community in Haiti for 25 years or 30 years. The international community must be in charge in Haiti, the international community must rule in Haiti and when we can see a durable political stability and a significant economic progress then the international community must let the Haitians alone in their country.
Haitians have lost their self-determination’s right. They do not deserve it. The international community must give to the Haitian people the nation that they leaders did not have given to them.
Sooner or later that is going to be the final solution (and the best): the international community is going to rule in Haiti. Working together, with patience, with respect, with honesty, we are going to teach to the Haitian people how to build a nation and then everybody is going to be happy in this island because Haiti is not a headache anymore.

Haitian man, Haitian woman, with the international community ruling in Haiti, paraphrasing to Karl Marx, you can win everything and you only can lose you chains.

Caonabohayti, you are showing the position that Haitians like so much. Because we both are in the same island and we both have African blood in our veins supposedly we are the same thing.
We are “two sides of the same coin”.
We are “two wings of the same bird”.
We are “brothers”; we are “twin brothers”; we are “Siamese twins”.
You are always looking for a way for taking advantage from us. Always!
As human beings we are the same thing that is for sure, but as social entities the Dominican Republic and Haiti are not the same thing. As a social entity we have done a notoriously superior work, we are in a superior level and we are not going to decline our rights because of our far better conditions.
In a table, as persons, we are the same, but in a table, as nations, we are not the same. As a nation, we have gained merits with our behavior and as a nation you have lost merits with your misbehavior.
AS A NATION WE HAVE DONE A SUPERIOR WORK. We are not the same and we never will be the same.
If you look at our numbers you are going to see this:
The United States of America’s GDP per capita is 5.80 times the Dominican Republic’s GDP per capita and the Dominican Republic’s GDP per capita is 6.23 times the Haiti’s GDP per capita. As a nation, we are as far of the United States of America as you are from us.
We are not the same and we never will be the same.

*******HAYTI

STOP JUSTIFYING AND DEFENDING EXPLOITATION! INJUSTICE ANYWHERE IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE! (Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.).

You make yourself sound too much like a rotten Hitler disciple.

GIZMO Shut up you simpleton hypocrite why should the Dominican goverment assume responsibility to a people that are not granted any help by there own goverment WHY! Do you think the D.R.'s goverment is that stupid to throw there patrimony to the garbage bin, and just give it to the good? Haitians you make me sick.

You have proven by your every word that you have no capacity to grow and become a better person. You are definitely part of the slaveower class or the butt-kisser of the slaveowner class. There is absolutely no hope for you. When the time comes to throw out the backward thinking elites from this island, you will be right there with them going on to the trashcan of history in hell.

This picture, from Gizmo, is very, very interisting.


Haitians in the Dominican Republic's side of the border.


There are no formal members of our labor market in this picture. There are no agricultural workers, no construction workers of any other kind of workers. All these people are part of our informal market and they are surviving in the Dominican Republic because they just escaped from hell, they escaped from Haiti.

What part of "We don't need you and/or the international community" don't you understand? As I said before, your numbers are meaningless so long as the Dominican masses are getting poorer and poorer every single day. The more you talk about your "superiority", the more you are convincing everyone reading your posts of your inferiority, stupidity, infantilism, over-bloated arrogance, low self-esteem, lack of personality, lack of humanity, lack of manners, lack of common sense, egocentrism, bigotry, anger, hostility, racism, misery, paranoia, wishful thinking, foolishness, idiocy, folly, schizophrenia and crying out for help. If I were you, I would stop short of saying more. Otherwise, be my guest. Expose yourself, your weaknesses and vulnerabilities some more.