As I said already, until the mentality is changed from selfish gains and concern about " IMAGERY" there is no need to have a discussion.


If you want to have a discussion......I'm right here. However, I will not put forth any thoughts when the real drive is not of real concern but merely of how your country is presented to the world.

Moyse, you are showing us a typical Haitian conduct. When it is necessary to pretend being naïve you are the champions.
I am talking about campaigns, about organized efforts with a defined purpose.
Haitians have elaborated campaigns against us and we are effectively answering those campaigns but you do not see campaigns dealing with what is happing in Haiti and the solutions to the Haitian problems are precisely over there.
The law of the silent is the main law in Haiti.

Satanic blood covenant 206 years ago
"On 14 August 1997, God's people in Haiti experienced a historic victory over Satan, a milestone in winning our country back for God. The reason lies in history. The slaves brought here from Africa have suffered incredibly for many years. Their masters acted with the blessing of the Catholic church, which declared black to be the colour of the devil. Hence, they reasoned, black slaves have no soul. For this reason, the slaves turned disappointedly away from God, and called to their African gods for help. On 14 August 1791, a slave leader by the name of Boukman called a secret meeting in a wood called Bois-Caiman near Cap Haitien, which was attended by a large number of slaves. They celebrated a Satanic ceremony, sacrificing a pig and drinking its blood, swore to serve the devil and dedicated Haiti to him. Up to the present, Haiti's historians have all attributed Haiti's achievement of political independence in 1804 to this ceremony. For 206 years, Bois-Caiman was a very holy place, a high place which could only be entered by witch doctors during Voodoo ceremonies. For 206 years, they have been meeting there every 14. August to sacrifice to Satan.


Large numbers have turned to the evangelical Christina faith so the country will turn around eventually

Voodou is practiced in DR, PR, CUBA and most other Caribbean Island Nations. Voodoo is not a Haitian thing as it has been misconceptionally been marginalized as far as how people have come to only attach the stigma with Haiti amid and all negative exposures Haiti has been getting due to its constant instabilities.

Haiti is a 85% Roman catholici or Christian Nation and the rest of the percentage is a melting pot of all other foreign religions such that many practiced as either cultural and ancestral trends thus proving in itself that "Freedom of Religious Belief or Persuit does exist in Haiti without any hypocrisy or reservation as many other democratic nations claim but often do not really live by their amandments. Voodoo is not considered a religion in Haiti to most Haitians but rather a cultural ritual most "Provincial Countrymen" are accustomed to due to ancestral bonds they wish to maintain with the originality of voodoo being from Africa. In Haiti, there are small percentages of Islam and Judaism as well as the still exist the ritual of native Arawaks and Tainos.

These amounts are so small that they do not get exposed and that most Christians (Not all) with much bias... do not want to ackowledge just so they can feel that they have a cause for helping Haiti with their Christianic salvation agenda with poignant two-faced missionary missions into the Country for tax deductions back in the US and their way to earn monetary compasation and exploitation when in reality they are actually courting NGO groups and the IMF fro sponsorship for their so called "Non-profit" Organizations.

sir, i am begging you. before you just go ahead and start blaming vodoo for Ayiti's problems, please do some research! Voodoo, is no where near satanic. Voodooists believe in one god as their creator and it is not satan! Voodooists are not only Haitians. Boukman, was a hougan, not a leader, and he was Jamaican. In the bwa kayiman ceremony, his speech was as followed:
"The god who created the earth; who created the sun that gives us light. The god who holds up the ocean; who makes the thunder roar. Our God who has ears to hear. You who are hidden in the clouds; who watch us from where you are. You see all that the white has made us suffer. The white man's god asks him to commit crimes. But the god within us wants to do good. Our god, who is so good, so just, He orders us to revenge our wrongs. It's He who will direct our arms and bring us the victory. It's He who will assist us. We all should throw away the image of the white men's god who is so pitiless. Listen to the voice for liberty that speaks in all our hearts."
He did not ever mention that his god was satan! He believed in one god, and it was not satan.

another thing is trees are sacred to Voodooists, so they were not in the mood of cutting down any trees. in the contrary, there were many campaigns against voodoo in which a lot of trees were cut down! so i dont even see how changing faith would help the country.

also, if you look at history, think of all the harm that the catholic church has done to innocent people, and compare that to the harm that voodooists have done to innocent people. i mean what i am trying to say is that i dont recall voodooists going on crusades killing people if they wouldnt convert to voodooism. I dont recall voodooists killing tainos either!

if we think, just a bit about it, who has sinned the most?

I agree with you about the Catholic church - as I do nto see it as a Christian church - although there are some in that church who do follow Jesus.

I disagree with the rest of your claims - vodoo is to Christians a worship of Satan and the rebels made a pack with satan. There are quite a number of articles and historic records of this....

At this time I know of just one of many missions - they feed, clothe and havein schools 9400 hatian kids in 21 villages. The Vodoo priests opposed them all the way but eventually the villagers accepted and were thankful. A USA donors should be thanked for their very generous giving - not attacked by you for getting a tax break. They still GIVE UP THIER hard earned money to help the poorest nation in this area.

Thank you for bringing the excerpt of "Bookman's" speech, NegMorne. There is nowhere in there do I see he said Satan is Haiti's god. So if any Christians read this, they will see he is giving glory to the God and Creator that all Christians do believe it. Thus, I want them to show me where does it says or glorify satan on there? Even I, who is agnostic, do not see this give any praises to satan. However, I am sure there will be contestation to even that excerpt and I would like to see them coming solemnly from this verse of the speech.

If this response is addressed to me, you will see that I said in parenthesis (Not All). Because even though I am agnostic and at times even viewed as Atheist, I have served a helping hand at helping directly missionary groups in several underdeveloped Country. However, I also know of those who use the premise of thier alleged missionary missions, churches and hiden-agenda(ed) intension to exploitatively gain from Haiti's impoverish situation or any other poor nation on this globe. For example, The Mormons I believe should be thrown out of Haiti for the mere fact that their teaching states that the black race is a plague yet they are in a black or colored nation hypocritically-pretentiously claim they are helping Haiti.

you know what i call real AID? the only country and people that i really truly believe helps Ayiti is Cuba. they brought doctors and helped so many people in need in the country, without asking them to become christians. You see, Cubans doctors managed to open a school of medicine in Ayiti, and they try to help to make sure that Ayiti would not depend on other countries when it comes to health. true AID is AID that is to make sure that the country will not have to depend on you later on.
If those missions you talk about consist of feeding Haitians food and not showing them how to produce their own food, then i dont see how they could actually be useful to Haiti.
I know how the US and Canada loves to brag about the money that they send to Haiti, but they what they dont say is that this money goes to all those NGOs and other missions ( Not the Haitian GOvernment), so that they can buy food that comes from the US, or canada, and donate it to the desperate Haitian masses. (i dont call that AID, i call it investment for their economy. ) that type of AID is gonna make Haiti non productive and the Haitians will always have to depend on that. And then some people will say how they dont understand how come Haiti is still poor after all those years of AID?!? you can find this information in a book called Dead Aid... i forgot the author's name
From what i remember, Jesus spoke to people and preached to them about right from wrong. I never thought that he would bribe them with food and clothes for them to convert to Christianity.
another thing, I showed you the speech that came from Boukman's mouth, so please i am begging you to give me some reference about those articles and historic records talkin about how the voodooists are satanic

Yes I also believe Cuba has helprd Haiti greatly because they are not providing Haiti with two-faced aids by giving Hait a fish a day, but they are providing in teaching Haitians to be better doctors so that those doctors can later help Haiti. In other words, teach a village fisherman how to fish instead of giving him a fish a day. Indeed, many missionners are bribing hungry, desperate poor Haitians just to raise their Christianity follower numbers up much like it was done to the Natives and African slaves in America; yet were still killing with the concept that these people were less than human beings.

Regarding Bookman's speech, those are his actual words but the speech was recited and recorded in Ancient Creole when it was more Africanized then, before it had been Frenchisized so to speak.