Note for any intelligent reader.

As you can see looking around in this forum, Haitians are talking and talking about their past all the time but they never talk about what is happening inside Haiti nowadays.
They are so cowards that even in the shadows of the Internet they do not have courage enough for talking openly about their situation.
They have the worst place to live in the Western hemisphere and the greatest stupid pride (arrogance indeed) in this world.
What can justify the “pride” of a beggar?
What can justify the “arrogance” of those ecological criminals?
Their misery has brought then a deep madness. Only mad people can be so idiot for believing we do not see how sad the future of Haiti on the hands of people like them is.

Obviously if you know a territory, you must know the people because the territory is composed by its people.

And you know enought about Dominican to know we just know nothing wow thats funny you are doing the same thing you are rguing. We are not Haitians we are Dominicans so of course Haitians will know more than we do about Haiti but would you mind telling me of another country that knows Haiti better than DR i would really appreciate it. I will wait for your response. sssssssss Vieja traeme una silla que esto va pa largo................

FIRST PART


This is a translation of a recent article from “Le Nouvelliste”, a major Haitian newspaper. It is very interesting to read the interchanges between a Dominican and some Haitians. One more time we can see what is the Dominican position and what is the incredible Haitian position.


Haïti: Les Etats-Unis demandent à la République dominicaine d'aider Haïti.
http://www.lenouvelliste.com/article.php?PubID=1&ArticleID=69405

Haiti: The United States requires to the Dominican Republic its help for Haiti.
The American Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, requested Thursday from Dominican hoteliers to invest in Haïtitout by affirming that her government is interested in installing twin factories between Haiti and the Dominican Republic to contribute to the creation of employments, informed the Dominican chancellor, Carlos Morales Troncoso. According to the remarks made by Troncoso, relayed by the newspaper "Dominican Today", Hillary Clinton would have asked the persons in charge of the Dominican tourism industry to invest in the construction of resorts in Haiti, stressing that this country fills all the relating to it requirements. She, moreover, implied that the government of the United States is very interested in the Dominican Republic and Haiti jointly developing projects of free zone, tourism and financial services, like it was the case during the Seventies and Eighties. The Secretary of State, which arrived yesterday at 6:35 p.m. coming from the capital of Haiti, defined herself, according to Troncoso, as being large allied and friend of the Dominican people and that her interest is the development of this country. “It indicated that the United States is a large friend and an ally of this nation and that it was a great honor; to be here in official visit as a civil servant of the government of the United States”, explained Carlos Morales Troncoso. Mrs. Clinton pointed out that the installation and the construction of the twin factories in the frontier zone and in Haiti would significantly help to create thousands of employments, which particularly interests the government of her country. The Dominican chancellor, who received Hillary Clinton at Las America airport, announced that he will draw up a report/ratio on the sectors in which the United States can help the Dominican Republic and Haiti jointly. “For example, a law was voted authorizing the creation of 3,000 employments by the Group M which installed the twin factories at the border and also in Port-au-Prince.”



Some comments

Raul Benitez | 18 April 2009, 01:06:49 AM
Haitians, you need to change your mentality, and start working to develop Haiti. You have more than 27,000 square kilometers, and you say that you prefer dying without exploiting your land than teaming up with international investors to produce goods for your children and your people and feed them. The result is : Your people are starving, NO Healthcare, NO education, NO agriculture, NO Tourism while you were one of the best destinations in 50' and 60's.
Haitians, What do you want for your country?
My GOD, What Haitians want to do with their people and their land?
Do you prefer to be humiliated by my Militaries by crossing the border, or USA on the sea. Do you prefer watching your people dying in the waters, because they cannot live in Haiti. Please, be rational. Make Peace, and work together for a better future in Haiti.

Raul Benitez | 18 April 2009, 01:12:35 AM
Haitians, let me ask you: What Haiti wants...? To be like Somalia or United States. I am not sure Somalia is the right example for you. But I suspect that you're not far from Somalia if you don't change the way you act today.
Haitians need to stop talking without purpose of development, and start working to create jobs for your fellow citizens.
Haitians, you don't want to accept that Haiti is a big problem for the region. We really want Haiti to create peace, jobs, development. The international community is tired of Haiti. But my country cannot do like others to ignore you, because we share the same border, and you still influence my country and We have to deal with you. Please, take a break and think about all the damages you've done to your country, and take another road. Start working to bring jobs, education, healthcare, etc to your country. Good luck.

tibu | 18 April 2009, 02:30:21 AM
Los E.E.U.U. han pedido el D.R. para ayudar a Haití. ¡Oh mi calidad! Si sucede esto, estaremos en apuro. Raúl Benítez y similares, utilizará esto como medio de insultar a haitians en este sitio. Espero que nunca suceda esto. Ése sería el nuevo punto más bajo para el haitian.

HAYTIAN PRIDE | 18 April 2009, 02:42:59 AM
To el dominicano
One question senor, do you really think that we Haitians are going to except this proposal by Clinton? First of all, our history speaks for itself. Haitians claim that they went to the east to free Dominicans from Spanish tyranny. But, you Dominicans claim that Haitians came to destroy things as they were. That’s just to start, beside that your historians distorted the facts to make you believe that way. Senor you have no idea, as Clinton has no idea.

HAYTIAN PRIDE | 18 April 2009, 02:44:10 AM
If I were to ask Americans to help Mexico that would be as close to what she is asking Dominicans to do for Haiti here. I doubt Mexico would accept because of historical facts. I know Clinton would never understand that fact, because she is neither Haitians nor Dominicans. Even when the US wants to help Haiti we Haitians would rather starve if what it wants to offer us can not find the approval of the people. You see senor even when we are getting aid it has to be on mutual respect. But, you guys on the other hand are ass kissers. You would sale your country at any price for money. Sorry senor we don’t want your help.

SECOND PART


HAYTIAN PRIDE | 18 April 2009, 02:52:33 AM
And, for what I heard alot of Haitians have businesses in the Dominican Rep. On my own I know about four or five Haitians who own properties over there. That would be a big blow for the DR when those Haitians leave the DR for Haiti.

Raul Benitez | 18 April 2009, 09:30:57 AM
Haitians, I don’t say that to please you. I visited all of the Caribbean region, and I can say as a Dominican, Haiti has some very strong opportunities to be a great country.
Haiti, DR, and Cuba should work together on plenty of issues like drugs, tourism, agriculture, environment,etc. Haitians, stop being egoists, as soon as you understand that the World has changed, and it doesn’t matter that you’re the First Black Independent Republic in the world if you can’t feed your people, if you can’t organize a fair election, if you can’t work together to bring peace, jobs, healthy environment, agriculture. And why are you afraid to work with others or my country to create a better life on the island?
Haiti and DR, we both have social and economic problems. So you need to recognize that it’s time to stop petty grievances and egoism to work like neighbors, and brother and sisters. The new young Dominicans are agreed that young Haitians and Dominicans should talk together.

Raul Benitez | 18 April 2009, 10:02:08 AM
If Cuba and United States, Iran and United States, Israel and Arab World, Russia and United States are ready to talk together, why Haitians and Dominicans cannot talk?
Haitians leave egoism aside to bring peace and a better relation on the island. We need to encourage a better relationship between both people. Why those present Haitians are so afraid and repulsive to talk with others. It seems that Haitians are afraid to talk openly with another Haitians.
Haitians need to stop divide their country among Lavalasso, Douvalieristas, Macoutez, JNBistas, Mulatos, y negroes.
If my country attracts more investors and better organize it’s because my elites understand better their roles. They guide the people, they invest in my country, they invest in election, they finance education, etc.

Raul Benitez | 18 April 2009, 10:06:32 AM
They also know that they have to create a better Dominican Republic because, it’s the country that they will retire in. Your elites spend money elsewhere and buy houses in my country, Miami, New York. Their wives and children out of the country.
You know, If you don’t believe in your country, you cannot develop it. Haitians, you need to believe in your country. In fact, you can disagree with that, but in the 1996 poll, Peña won the first round of voting but fell short of the majority needed. In the second round of voting, Leonel Fernández, a lawyer representing the PLD, won a narrow victory due to an alliance between the PLD and the PRSC.
You know the elites chose Sr Fernandez instead of Pena, and they invested a lot of money to promote and support him. The elites explained that Pena Gomez will divide the country deeper and He will impose a very social communist power, and they were afraid for their investments in my country.

Raul Benitez | 18 April 2009, 10:11:26 AM
Haitians and Dominicans, I can testify that some extremists are always playing to stop a better relation between Haiti and my country. But you know what, the elites are doing business together, why they are also creating hatred between us. Young Dominicans and Haitians are NOT enemies. And I know how gracious Haiti was in the 19th century.
Do you forget that in the 19th Haiti helped a lot of South American countries like Venezuela, Colombia, and in a least extent the United States. Then, What’s happened to your country? What’s happened to your generation. Do you want to be the generation of shame of Haiti? Why don’t you put together to solve the problems of Haiti?
Haitians and Haitian elites, take a break, and ask yourselves which country do you want to have in 10, 20, 30, 40,50 years from now? What country do you want to leave for your children? Elites and Haitians, what is your vision?

Pat | 18 April 2009, 10:57:04 AM
I agree with you Mr Beniez.
I think the two people have to work together. If Boyer had made things differently, maybe we would have been an even greater Country together. I think in the future we will be considered as a whole .But I understand the frustration of some people when it comes to talk about the relations between D.R and my country. First of all , your historians changed the fact telling that Haiti invaded them while we know the people of the spanish colony asked for protection . Then there is a lot of racism there in DR. When you read newspapers, it seems they like to show the world how difficult things are in my country these days. SOmetimes it seems they are happy for the struggles we are living . When Haiti was at the top in this region , I read we helped you fight Spain for the "Retauracion" after some real wars .WHen Haiti was rich and the center of the region , I doubt we had ever treated you as some of your people treat my brothers and sisters.

THIRD PART


Pat | 18 April 2009, 11:05:04 AM
I want the relations to go better. I think we can be a grat Island. Together we can attract more than half the tourists who visit the carribbean , because of the great haitian and dominican cultures and folklores.But your attitude has to change toward Haiti too. You guys seem not to really want to cooperate but to dominate us. With all the economic progress realized in your country , I think you would like to take the haitian market and make it yours. So I don t know if you really want us to get better , because our difficulties are really lucrative for you. The haitian students , the haitian elite as you say and the haitian workers are really big money maker for you . That s why some people doubt of your really altruisitic feelings toward us : you may want us to stay in strugglings so we can always be in position to produce money for you.
But trust me , I d like things to change . I recognized we Haitians have to change a lot of things.

Pat | 18 April 2009, 11:17:07 AM
Dejeme decirle Raul Benitez, que yo estudie en la PUCMM de Santo DOmingo. Mi novia es dominicana . Tengo demasiado amigos dominicanos. Yo se que no soy como la gran mayoria de los Haitianos en el sentido que no soy de piel negra , ni soy pobre . Pienso que alli hay bastante hipocrisia porque si no fuera por Haiti , R.D no seria lo que es. Haiti los libero de Espana. Haiti dio dinero a Juan Bosch para tratar de derrocar a Trujillo ... entre otras cosas ...Haiti nunca les trato como ustedes estan tratandonos cuando podiamos hacerlo . Al contrario. Pero ustedes celebran mas el 27 de febrero que el 16 de agosto . Si no fuera por Haiti , No hubiese existido Republica DOminicana . Pero si nosotros tenemos que cambiar!!! es verdad.

Raul Benitez | 18 April 2009, 11:49:37 AM
Pat, I am totally agree with you. Beacuse I have met some young bright haitians at New York University in the US, I have actually a different idea of Haitians. Some extremists always promote that Haitians are dirty, poor, and ugly. I usually say NO to my fellow dominicans, all they say about Haitians is NOT REAL.
During my visits in Haiti I met a different kind of Haitians, some very young SMART and educated ones. I am confident that all some Haitians know about dominicans is racism, prostitution, and so on.
But Both countries have problemas, tenemos que hablar para curar todo esto. Dominicanos quieren promover paz con Haiti. Tenemos que trabajar juntos para un mejor porvenir o futuro. Let's work to improve our country, let's heal our ugly pasts, and work together as one island.

Raul Benitez | 18 April 2009, 11:58:43 AM
Pat, it's time to heal our wounds and injuries. As I said some extremist dominicans don't want Haitians and Dominicans live like brothers and sisters. Because they're doing a lot of money by dividing both nations.
Pat, Te deseo muchas suertes con tus estudios. PUCMM es un buen centro Universitario en mi pais. Some very educated dominicans understand the issues between both nations, and are promoting peace, justice, Brotherhood between Haitians and Dominicans.
Both nations and people need to talk to reduce the voices and power of these ugly elites. It'a new sign that Haitians and Dominicans can work together. Why not Haiti and DR?, if Cuba and USA are ready to talk. We never fought one against the other, and though NOT, why not make peace. Hagamos paz y trabajemos juntos.

Raul Benitez | 18 April 2009, 12:44:53 AM
David, I appreciate your franckness. And once again I am confident that Haiti and my country can work together.
Stop blaming each other, let's discuss about the best ways one can help other. How we can deal and work to improve lives on the island.
Stop blaming your grand parents. NOW it's time for you to improve your country, to work for peace, justice, jobs, healthy environment, healthcare, education. Now you need to work in order to NOT be criticized by your children and grand children as you're doing today.
1) You need to believe you can change your mentality and those of your other fellow Haitians
2) Understand that Haitians need to talk together firstly
3) Create a new basis for dialogue, jobs creation, development
4) Believe in education, and sciences, and elect SMART and visionary leaders
5) Believe that a new Haiti lies on your shoulders, and you can change your country for a better tomorrow.

[B]FOURTH PART[/B]

[B]Raul Benitez | 18 April 2009, 1:43:08 PM[/B]
I want to ask any Haitians who speak spanish, and write English to go to some important websites forums in my country like listindiario, el nacional, hoy, el clave, etc. to express their ideas as I do, and let respectfully my fellow dominicans know that Haitians are wise, SMART and bright citizens. They also want to have and see a new beginning in the Haitian-Dominican relationship. Let them know that all haitians are not poor, dirty, illiterate, egoist, beggers like the government.
I and some friends are doing it everyday, but we also need to hear from some Haitians.
Many dominicans understand french and even Criollo, because we teach french in our Schools, and Criollo is widely taught in some immigration and strategic centers in my country. So, we need to understand and deal effectively with the Haitian government and poblacion.
I also want to ask Haitians to stop fighting for power and put country first. Make peace, work to create jobs, and progreess.

[B]tibu | 18 April 2009, 2:02:35 PM[/B]
Mr. Benitez, i don't think my fellow haitians need to visit your site to prove anything. The reason why Dominicans are generalizing Haitians is because they are ill-inform, or even stupid. You know, [ Friday April 17, 09, I went to an Indian store, east-indian that is. He asked me, " where're you from" and i told him Haiti? Than, he said " i met haitians, they are very good people." You know what was my answer: "sir, i think all nationalities are good people," and he agreed with me.

[B]tibu | 18 April 2009, 2:12:15 PM[/B]
Sir, Raoul, your generalization of haitians isn't different from those of Southern white Americans toward the Black American in the 60s. Your people need to cut that arrogeance, understand people and respect minority and you'll see the island will be peaceful and prosperous.
N.B: Did you know that haiti have minorities such as Polish, Middle-Eastern and other small groups who are living there and in some case, they are wealthy, but in general they are at home.

[B]Raul Benitez | 18 April 2009, 2:14:34 PM[/B]
Tibu, you know when someone never goes out or travels outside of his/her country s/he may think that everybody are dumbs, criminals, robbers, etc.
When you meet another people, you may have another impression. I repeat that some extremist dominicans don't want Haitians and Dominicans live like brothers and sisters. Because they're doing a lot of money by dividing both nations.
Tibu, it is in their benefit to divide both nations. Do you know because they divide us, they block you to know about me and viceversa. For example, 1 egg is sold almost 3 pesos in my country, and it has been reported that the same egg is sold at 20 Gurdas in Haiti. They don't want you to be informed and talked together : Dominicans and Haitians. It's all about money and explotation.

[B]Dearson | 18 April 2009, 3:11:40 PM[/B]
Hola! Raúl Benitez,
Qué tal estás? Espero que estés bien...Te escribo para que me guies para poder entrar en uno de los forums donde hay debate sobre algunas ideas intercambiadas entre naciones pero que sea seguro es decir donde la gente se respeta uno al otro. Sé amable y breve en tu respuesta.
Se lo agradezco. Gracias!

[B]Pat | 18 April 2009, 3:38:33 PM[/B]
Mr Benitez,
We all prefer the new tone you use in you messages. As said David It got a lot better.Less offensive.
Let me tel you what I think about Haiti and DR: it has a lot to do with other countries . With the laws in your country accepting foreigners and giving them all possibles benefits , it had became necessary to provide the capitalism the man power required for their industries, constructions and so one. Haiti had always been defensive when it had to see with foreigner (history!!!) . SO I think the elites of DR and some of Haiti with governments of other countries helped destabilised Haiti to create a condition that beneficiates the system. Did know that the DR debt was > 11 billon us$ while Haitis don t even passes 1.5 billions? They need the system to stay like that so that haitian and dominican poor can work for them. But this occured because WE Haitians let it happen because we have always had division between us. I don t blame your country .We are responables!

[B]Pat | 18 April 2009, 3:49:22 PM[/B]
But as I said earlier , I want the relation between the people of both countries to improve. I d like more tolerance and acceptance. You guys have to learn haitian history to understand our culture. We have to do the same . Our economic elites work together. The poor haitians there often work with poor dominicans . There are a lot of mix married couples (haitian-dominican) .But a lot of work has to be done in both societies . We may be in a bad situation now, BUT WE WILL ALWAYS BE A GREAT PEOPLE WHO LET A GREAT HERITAGE TO HUMANITY AS DID USA ,FRANCE, AND OTHERS. HAITI IS A GREAT COUNTRY . But as you know , the highest you rise , the most destructive is your fall . Haiti is paying for his greatness . As Jesus did .
But trust me my friend I really want to work for the improvement of the bilateral relation .It was a ggod news for me when I herad the binacional commision would erect a statue together in the center of the island .Together we can be a Great Island.

[B]Raul Benitez | 18 April 2009, 4:42:53 PM[/B]
This upcoming article is interesting :
Hillary quiere Leonel tenga mayor protagonismo en región
La secretaria de Estado estadounidense Hillary Clinton pidió ayer al Presidente Leonel Fernández asumir un mayor liderazgo en la región y prometió la colaboración de su país para fomentar proyectos conjuntos de desarrollo entre Haití y República Dominicana. Clinton también reiteró a Fernández el compromiso de Estados Unidos para combatir el narcotráfico y prometió más ayuda. Las palabras de Clinton se produjeron en una rueda de prensa en el Palacio Nacional. Por otra parte, Clinton prometió esfuerzos para aumentar la cooperación con República Dominicana para educación.

DR is governed by mulato (the President, the chief of the Armed Forces, the Congress, the Sindicates, the Aqueducts administrators, etc.). DR allows its minorities to rule, manage, and administer.

For you to say that race, class and history is splitting DR IS BOLOGNE! It is Haiti who used their resentment to expel their white and nearly all their mulato. Then Haitian teachers tell their students that the source of their despair stems from the land the Dominican stole from them (which is pure BOLOGNE). It is Haiti who is demonstratively RACIST and of course, antidominican!

Don't you freaking mix the two countries together when describing the Haitian failures! Both countries have different histories, culture, language, mother land, and racial distribution!

What DR needs to do is to isolate itself from Haiti, become selfsufficient, moderate their expectations, nurture its environment, and control its birth rate.

Haiti has 9.6 million people. Of these, 5.6 million are children (children having children). Haiti does not have enough adults to move forward! If they don't curb they demographic explosion, Haiti is the biggest problem in the Caribbean. Haiti is the biggest welfare state in the Americas.

Good luck to DR, Bahamas and Cuba because Haiti will dump its cargo to everyone. Right now there are 4 million (haitian or ex-haitian) living abroad. What gave Haiti the FREAKING RIGHTS TO KEEP BRINGING PEOPLE TO THIS EARTH AND THEM DUMPING THEM TO OTHERS?

IT's worst for a Dominican that hate haitian..

No, you do not....simply learning the configuration of the layout of the country do not mean you comprehend anything without FIRST understanding the language of the people.....WHICH MANY DOMINICANS DO NOT COMPREHEND.


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