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I have known the business men in these labor intensive sweat shops and can attest to the veracity of that story.
One time visiting a T-shirt free zone plant in DR of over 400 employees, I noticed that some women were fainting, and I was alarmed and asked the owner to get an ambulance immediately of which he calmly replied:
"No need to, they just fainted because they spend all their money in cosmetics and gambling and not food. She just fainted because of lack of food in her stomach".
And this happened many times in a daily basis, like it was usual and customary, to my amazement.

GENEROSO
Gizmo:
Sorry I just read your PM and have to agree with our conclusions. But it is not enough to "militarize" the border, and leave all the responsibility to the military, as the border has been a source of money making for the corrupt military for many years.
We have to build a huge impenetrable concrete wall and build it fast and ask the Israeli's for advise to get the plans similar to the wall in Gaza.
The border can not remain a porous border for many reasons, it has to be contained as well as policed.
There are many groups that want the border to remain porous among them the usual used clothes merchants, drug traffickers, arms merchants, slave traders, contraband sponsors, illegal trip sponsors,
including Cuban, Chinese and other nationalities.
Add to these the sugar cane barons that live in the 1950's and treat their laborers like in the 17 th Century, and the big agricultural and construction moguls that claim that "they will go broke" if they have to raise their salaries 10 pesos a day.
The Haitian elite have different denominations and colors, most of them are mulatto and live and have big businesses and property in the DR, and are just has bad as the rest.
But just like the famine and genocide in Africa the richest continent due to bad governments, Haitians have been their own worst enemy having terrible governance as well.

GIZMO I agree with some of the things that you have stated but Haiti today is not the Haiti of the Duvaliers Dynasty. Today Haiti is more poorer than ever and the elite in Haiti if you can call them that have dwindled in existence and influence, the main money maker was drugs. Today the drug trade is pretty much dead in Haiti and it's flourishing in other places. As for Dominicans and Haitian elites conspiring together that's a far stretch of peoples imagination, like i told you these two groups don't dance at the beat of the same drum. Anyways unless you got some concrete evidence for your beliefs im willing to believe you, but the reality of Haiti today are totally different than two decades ago. The thousands of N.G.O's that operate in the country practically run the economy. The corrupt activities in the border are a problem, but the drugs come directly into the country they don't have to go through Haiti, if that's your worry. The country presently is no longer as active in the drug trade as in the past, Central America and Mexico are the hot spots for those activities today and more than ever. The reality is the border needs to be militarized and sealed and Haitians deported on a mass scale if not we will be sinking like a ship over troubled water.

Gizmo:
I concur with your reasoning regarding the drug trade. There is no reason to use Haiti as a stopping point any more if they can just come directly to DR.
Regarding the other statements about the NGO's running Haiti, THAT is a fact and explains a lot.
They are governments within governments.
But also keep in mind that many of the old Haitian elite do not longer live there but have moved to DR and continue doing business with Haiti.
Thank you for your most enlightening comments.

GENEROSO
Gizmo:
I concur with your reasoning regarding the drug trade. There is no reason to use Haiti as a stopping point any more if they can just come directly to DR.
Regarding the other statements about the NGO's running Haiti, THAT is a fact and explains a lot.
They are governments within governments.
But also keep in mind that many of the old Haitian elite do not longer live there but have moved to DR and continue doing business with Haiti.
Thank you for your most enlightening comments.

GIZMO Generoso i will wait for you're response of the PM i sent you PEACE!

by generosoVacanos:
Great editorial, thank you for sharing it. I am thankful so far that we have not gotten yet into the usual
name calling and hate posts that really are counter productive and just make everyone feel bad afterwards. I have to say mea culpa as well.
The 21 ST century Haitian slavery is being perpetuated by the economic leeches and blood suckers in both the Dominican Republic and Haiti that want the status quo to remain.
Those who want cheap slave labor to continue and the Haitian misery to never end, are the sponsors
of the NGO's.
The Haitian living conditions in the bateyes and construction slums can not be tolerated in a civilized society. Dominican and Haitian elite, military and government are exploiting the Haitians laborers that are working for peanuts for the big agricultural and construction moguls. Some of these heartless big shots got kicked out of Cuba and now are in the Dominican Republic doing what they know best, cracking the whip against these poor and unfortunate humans.
The Haitians illegals also have a double purpose, they are the excuse that keep the wages of Dominican laborers low in order for them to compete with the Haitians.


I have to agree with you. The only problem is that we got so many foreigners especially the afro centrists from the state with their agenda that they love to promote here. They simply get the better of us. I’m uncompromised when it come to defending my country right. I challenge every foreigners here on every issue they feel strong I will double their passion when it come to my country. The only way you see me name calling is when they losing the argument and start calling name.

generoso exactly everything you said I had been saying here for the longest I don’t blame Dominican who refused to be treated as slave working for food. It is simply not fair for Dominican to accept what the illegal Haitian getting pay. as you know in DR people work from 8am to 12pm then from 2pm to 5pm you seen the illegal Haitian working straight hour all day especially at 12pm when the sun is scorching hot and now these people hiring them expecting Dominican worker to work the same hour they impose on the Haitian and then at the end of the day gives them change.

What is your take on the writer NGO Carlos Agramonte who self deported out of DR for fear from the Dominican people retaliation from the garbage he wrote on his book about DR. I think these people do more harm to the Haitian problem than anybody else. They think they are doing something good for humanity and what they do is throwing gasoline into the fire.

Haiti is dying a slow death. No adequate government for many years, no industry, no agriculture to speak of, collapsing infrastructure, and just way too many people to feed. Anyone who thinks this is the Dominican republics problem is completely ignorant?

The Haitian Government, and its elitist class are the ones that have placed him Haiti into these conditions, why would they use the millions in donation money to help Haiti? Money stolen from the poor are transfered into USA banks. the elitist class in Haiti all have homes in the USA and Canada, they use Haiti only for their greed, but the international Community and media conveniently overlook and pinpoint their filthy fingers in our direction.

It's like I've said before a small predominantly biracial country is the perfect scapegoat.

vacanos
I have not read Carlos Agramonte's book's but from what I have heard he is just trying to bank on the controversy and is being a "yellow journalist" as it is called in the media, or spread sensationalism for publicity purposes, and getting more money out of the NGO's or maybe a political visa.
He is just exaggerating his importance in the world, nobody read the book and less care.
I have no respect for the man and have never heard of him before so the above statements seem like
right on the money.

I have mentioned here on DT.com before that this is an issue that needs to be tackled vigorously by thinking, progressive people because if they do not take responsibility, then as you guys point out things will bubble into something violent and scary. Men with very different ideals and ambitions for themselves will take up the Haitian immigration issue as a path to power, and they'll inflict a ton of pain.

All the regular posters on here I'm sure within a few days will unanimously agree with generoso's original post. However not everyone agrees to the same degree . The crew on this board who are loudest about this issue until now have gone out of their way to be as xenophobic and angry as possible. If any fellow Dominican has something to say that isn't hostile enough to Haitians, well he must be one! If anyone wants to talk about African heritage, well he must be a Haitian! If anyone wants to talk about rights and principles, he must be from an NGO! If your opinion of history is different, you must be a commie traitor! And you see how these folk often end up arguing with people who as I said almost unanimously agree this is a serious problem.

So overall, yes this is a problem and yes it had better be addressed now by capable people before it is addressed forcefully by strongmen and mobs. If you do not want strongmen and mobs carrying out a final solution see to it that you don't spend as much time barking at fellow Dominicans and more time discussing how natives can pressure the government to act responsibly, and how diasporans can fight slanders against DR. Because final solutions begin as a way to solve one problem, but before long anyone can be a desaparecido or worse...even here in our little corner of the internet we see how quick the 'falangista' types are to turn their aggression on their own. The problem is that surely some really DO wish for explosive resolution...

Give them Blankets, Actually I am against that.. But if some ones knows about history he or she knows what I am talking about.

Kudos for you generoso,
I am really glad you courageously posted on this issue that have become a sort of taboo inculcated by the international community including the USA, Canada, Brazil, France, England, and the Jesuits.
Like you said we need an Israeli model for the wall, a master plan of how we'll replace the Haitians workers in the cane fields.
The Jesuits need to be investigated for wrong doing, maybe children molestation? And be sent to Haiti where they can directly do their humanitarian duties. We need to keep the Haitians that will remain in DR to a minimal level according to tour current population.
Once we detain a group illegal Haitians, and the minute any country dare to point their fingers on us, we should drop the detainees by their Embasy.
We nee to build that wall and soon.