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I agree Popon, but we have to stop talking about and start working for it. You say each Dominican would pay for a block; maybe we should start by paying for few photocopies. Let's make, copy and distribute pamphlets. Hand them down them in public places, like supermarkets, mall, affix them to cars or door to door, requesting from our President and authorities in not uncertain terms, to take care of the Haitians massive presence before they became international community declares them a national minority or worse, before it turns to a Kosovo situation. Or the said pamphlets may call not to vote for the candidates that do not compromise with a solution, or anything on that line. Or just maybe, the need for that wall, before we loose our country. Together we may even pay for and add in a national newspaper or if somebody knows somebody, get a spot in an on line one.

If each of us distributes, let's say a hundred, when the government agents see enough of them, all over the country, they would be forced to do something and that would be a start.



I definitely agree, we already talked enough and need to start now working now.
First thing we need to do is to start a newsletter so we can distribute via e-mail. We could ask Dominicanos por la Verdad to see if they could help us posting an official newsletter in their site that any body could copy and distribute to relatives and friend forming a chain.

Since the old timers and not affluent ones may not use the internet, pamphlets is a must as well.
By doing this we will be Helping Haitians rebuild their own country.

Can make it a goal to start sending out this newslater before the end of this month?

Of course we must always reiterate we do not sick violence but civility.

Yes together we could pay for an add, that is a wonderfull idea.




billboards that catch the readers attention and bring the cause to the light because these are not matters to play with. this is millitant action that goes a long ways but it requires dedicated troops.
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Both popon and micaela are more aware of the problem than most men, here is an article that came out in today's Listin diario, by world class author, historian and ambassador Victor Grimaldi.



Domingo 11 de Octubre del 2009, actualizado 4:19 PM

La fusión que denunciaba Balaguer
Víctor Grimaldi - 10/11/2009

Recuerdo aquel 16 de agosto de 1994 en los salones de la Magna Asamblea Nacional.

Recuerdo al Cuerpo diplomático asombrado.

Recuerdo a los incrédulos de entonces.

Le llamaban racista.

Decían que se trataba de una de las tantas tramposerías del viejo zorro político.

Tantas aguas han corrido desde entonces por los ríos Ozama, Isabela y Masacre, y la realidad ha demostrado ser contundente.

Joaquín Balaguer a temprana edad había discurseado contra las tropas de ocupación norteamericanas de 1916-1924. Se daba cuenta en 1994 de que la invasión militar norteamericana que habría de iniciarse en Haití en septiembre de 1994 iba a tener funestas consecuencias para el pueblo dominicano. Por eso hubo de denunciar en su discurso de juramentación el plan de fusión en marcha.

Juan Bosch también había denunciado el peligro de la fusión en unas declaraciones que solamente aparecieron en El Caribe alrededor de abril o mayo de 1994.

Ahora nos dice una nota de El Caribe del pasado sábado que: “No podrá ser casualidad que en menos de tres semanas dos ex presidentes de EE. UU. y otras figuras de ese país coincidan de que Haití y RD deben estar unidos, y que es imposible controlar el flujo migratorio hacia el Este de la isla”.

Los pronunciamientos del ex presidente norteamericano Jimmy Carter, junto a declaraciones similares de Bill Clinton, también ex presidente de Estados Unidos, reflejan una clara línea de la política estadounidense respecto a las relaciones domínico-haitiana y la solución de los problemas de ambos países, entiende El Caribe.

Igualmente, el coordinador principal para iniciativas económicas de la Dirección de Asuntos Hemisféricos del Departamento de Estado, Charles Shapiro, declaró hace unos días que “no se pueden tratar los problemas de Haití y República Dominicana como dos cosas aparte”.

De la misma forma, la señora Kerry Kennedy, fundadora del Centro Pro Derechos Humanos Robert Kennedy, deploró “la pobreza extrema” en que, dijo, viven los inmigrantes hatianos, y pidió a las autoridades dominicanas que entreguen las documentaciones correspondientes a los inmigrantes, dice El Caribe.

Las reacciones de representantes de diversos sectores han sido muy contundentes. Está el caso del cardenal Nicolás de Jesús López Rodríguez, quien sentenció que como nación libre y soberana República Dominicana no puede aceptar intromisiones en su política interna, recuenta el matutino.

El historiador Euclides Gutiérrez Félix, agrega El Caribe, dirigente del Partido de la Liberación Dominicana (PLD), dijo que es un plan bien orquestado, porque las naciones desarrolladas no quieren el inmigrante haitiano, porque “lamentablemente tiene enfermedades ancestrales”.

Manifestó que no es casual que Carter hable de un plan binacional, y dijo que está completamente convencido que el tema del sarampión y la viruela es sólo un pretexto para unificar la isla.

“El presidente de ahora de Haití se llama, a partir de ahora, Bill ClintonÖ”, agregó.

Seguimos citando a El Caribe:

Hugo Tolentino Dipp, ex canciller y dirigente perredeísta, afirma que “tenemos que ser sinceros y honestos ante nosotros mismos, porque el problema no se resolverá si no se controla la frontera”.

Lo atribuye a Ongs

El embajador Radhamés Batista, presidente del Consejo Nacional de Fronteras, dijo que las posiciones externadas por altos funcionarios y políticos estadounidenses, de que República Dominicana “sea el Estado pivote que se encargue de administrar la crisis haitiana” es parte de la vieja campaña de las Organizaciones no Gubernamentales (ONGs) pagadas para esos fines. Insistió en que la comunidad internacional debe asumir su responsabilidad y acudir en auxilio de la República de Haití, en vez de tratar que sea el país que asuma la pesada carga.

“Las grandes potencias que son las grandes culpables de este problema se le ha ido la vida en promesas de ayuda sin asumir su compromiso”, añadió Batista.

Los antecedentes

Bill Clinton

“Hay que buscar solución conjunta”

“La solución a los problemas hay que abordarlos de forma conjunta entre República Dominicana y Haití, y no cada uno por su lado. Hay optimismo de las demás naciones latinoamericanas para ayudar a Haití”.

Jimmy Carter

“No se pueden separar”

“Los dos países están atados, no hay forma de separarlos tienen que cooperar entre síÖ No existe posibilidad de evitar la migración desde Haití a República Dominicana, ni los países ricos resuelven el problema migratorio”.

Mary Kerry Kennedy

“Haitianos necesitan su identificación”

“Mientras ellos (los haitianos) tratan de vivir en la pobreza más absurda, la suerte de su miseria es la incapacidad del Gobierno de reconocer sus derechos como dominicanos, a la educación, trabajo decente”.

Reacciones

Hugo Tolentino Dipp

“Necesitamos reglas claras”

“No creo que sea un plan específico de que República Dominicana se haga cargo de Haití; el problema es que el país no tiene reglas claras para controlar la migración, la frontera es un colador.”

López Rodríguez

“No aceptamos imposiciones”

“La República Dominicana está haciendo por Haití más que todos los demás países juntos. Existe la pretensión de Estados Unidos, la comunidad internacional de que el país absorba los problemas de Haití como si fueran propios”.

Euclides Gutiérrez

“Quieren unificar la isla”

“Han designado a dos ex presidentes, las figuras de mayor crédito internacional para la ejecución del plan de crear un solo estado. Es una idea de los proyectistas externos de Estados Unidos, Canadá y Francia”.






OMG superb article!!


listin diario has been writing of such matters like crazy in recent days and why not. this matter is something that has been ignored for a long time due to many of the problems that are taking place in the country on a weekly basis. blackouts corruption and so forth. have you read the articles i was pasting from diario on haitian herds invading the border? that is old news at this point from the time the article was written!
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The troops get special training to handle human and drug trafficking, as well as the handling of suspected civilians.
Santo Domingo. – Dominican Republic will deploy 600 more Army troops in the next few days to reinforce the units assigned to guard the border with Haiti, a measure announced just three days after former U.S. president Jimmy Carter called the flow of immigrants across it unstoppable.”

Army chief Joaquin Virgilio Perez made the announcement yesterday during a meeting with the commanders of border zone brigades, and affirmed the new troops will be part of the efforts to confront the constant smuggling, drug trafficking and other threats in the region. “A little more than 600 men are currently in the process of concluding their training are coming to the border immediately, to complete all the units at the border, which is where the Dominican Republic begins.”

In a statement the Army said its Commander traveled to the zone of San Juan de la Maguana (west) accompanied by other senior staffers and met in the Justiniano del Rosario Army Post, headquarters of the 25th Company.

Several opinion makers rebuked Carter’s statements during a visit to Santo Domingo, with terms such as Foreign Relations minister Carlos Morales, who called them “unnecessary interference” in Dominican Republic’s affairs and of “exacerbating” the tense relations with Haiti.






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My own gloomy prediction is that we will lose our country, and it will happen soon, unless we wake up from our lethargy and start being more pro-active.
I live in DR in a daily basis and I am witnessing the huge amounts of homeless Haitians all over the place, specially the last few months.
The well funded international conspiracy is winning the PR war, in the same way we lost our country during the invasions by Haiti and most lately by the USA.
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My own gloomy prediction is that we will lose our country, and it will happen soon, unless we wake up from our lethargy and start being more pro-active.
I live in DR in a daily basis and I am witnessing the huge amounts of homeless Haitians all over the place, specially the last few months.
The well funded international conspiracy is winning the PR war, in the same way we lost our country during the invasions by Haiti and most lately by the USA.


Sometimes I wonder if he international community is really fed up with Haiti and wants the barrios tigeres to wipe out all the Haitians in DR? I wonder if the international community wants us to do their duty work?
I can not find a logical explanation of their actions, don't they know better? Don't they know our tigeres are not as civilized as the tigeres from Belgrade and will not give a damn about what would be said?

Dominicans will never put up with that, they rather be call whatever and do genocide without any remorse than to be without an identity. That I admire from the tigeres, they do not conform to politically correctness.
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The troops get special training to handle human and drug trafficking, as well as the handling of suspected civilians.
Santo Domingo. – Dominican Republic will deploy 600 more Army troops in the next few days to reinforce the units assigned to guard the border with Haiti, a measure announced just three days after former U.S. president Jimmy Carter called the flow of immigrants across it unstoppable.”

Army chief Joaquin Virgilio Perez made the announcement yesterday during a meeting with the commanders of border zone brigades, and affirmed the new troops will be part of the efforts to confront the constant smuggling, drug trafficking and other threats in the region. “A little more than 600 men are currently in the process of concluding their training are coming to the border immediately, to complete all the units at the border, which is where the Dominican Republic begins.”

In a statement the Army said its Commander traveled to the zone of San Juan de la Maguana (west) accompanied by other senior staffers and met in the Justiniano del Rosario Army Post, headquarters of the 25th Company.

Several opinion makers rebuked Carter’s statements during a visit to Santo Domingo, with terms such as Foreign Relations minister Carlos Morales, who called them “unnecessary interference” in Dominican Republic’s affairs and of “exacerbating” the tense relations with Haiti.









They started to pushg the bottons, they better start planning the wall.
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I agree Popon, but we have to stop talking about and start working for it. You say each Dominican would pay for a block; maybe we should start by paying for few photocopies. Let's make, copy and distribute pamphlets. Hand them down them in public places, like supermarkets, mall, affix them to cars or door to door, requesting from our President and authorities in not uncertain terms, to take care of the Haitians massive presence before they became international community declares them a national minority or worse, before it turns to a Kosovo situation. Or the said pamphlets may call not to vote for the candidates that do not compromise with a solution, or anything on that line. Or just maybe, the need for that wall, before we loose our country. Together we may even pay for and add in a national newspaper or if somebody knows somebody, get a spot in an on line one.

If each of us distributes, let's say a hundred, when the government agents see enough of them, all over the country, they would be forced to do something and that would be a start.



Great ideas Micaela, and welcome back. We have not been enough activists for this cause and bit by bit we are losing our country, while we snooze. The DR is being flooded by the unwanted Haitians and they are all over the place. In stop lights begging and selling trinkets they used to be 3 or 4, now there are a dozen, and the discredit campaign continues, and we are being singled out, harassed, persecuted by the PC crowd, the pro-Haitian traitors disguised as "patriots" and the hundreds of ONG's.


The best way to spread the message and make every dominican aware of this issue is going back to the resources and methods that Juan Pablo Duarte and Los Trinitarios used to gain popular support, today this task can be easily accomplished using today's technology, such as e-mails, websites, networking sites like Facebook. Booklets, photocopies or printed information may work to an extent, however, it's expensive and inefficient, on the other hand an e-mail can go accross the world in days.
I support any human and well orchestrated action to control haitian illegial immigration, but first we need to make our people aware and gain the support necessary to get our government attention.


Fantastic idea, we are already three, let's get three more and start the networking. First thing we could do is translate the article to english and start sending it to different newspapers in the USA in the "opinion" section.
The Dominican people are aware, but are burdened by all the daily problems of living in the DR aggravated by the power shortages, unemployment, and general slowdown of trade, caused by the international financial crisis, all this plus the high unemployment rate caused by the unwanted Haitian immigration, and what this huge influx of poor and needy economic refugees are doing to our already stressed to the max economy.


Generoso, the article is quite large it might need to be reduced.
Can we form Google group I believe is free where we can discuss this newsletter-e-mail in more detail.

Micaela what do you think?

Mirabueno, now if you or anyone would like to be involved, we need to be careful whom you pass information to, for there are a lot of vende patria out there waiting to sabotage any intent the patriots want to make.
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#818 - Posted 12 October 2009, 9:47 PM
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Another interesting article in "Clave":


HAITI Y REPÚBLICA DOMINICANA
Euclides: “el verdadero presidente de Haití es el señor Bill Clinton”
Recuerda que el entonces presidente Joaquín Balaguer acusó a Francia del apoyar el supuesto plan.
lunes, 12 de octubre de 2009,

SANTO DOMINGO, DN.-El dirigente abogado y escritor Euclides Gutiérrez Félix afirmó este lunes que el verdadero presidente Haití es el ex presidente norteamericano Bill Clinton, y no el mandatario haitiano René Préval.


Euclides Gutiérrez Félix.

En su columna semanal en el diario El Nacional, “Crónica del presente”, en la primera parte de una entrega titulada “Dos presidentes para una isla”, el Superintendente de Seguros sostiene que Haití ni siquiera es un país ni constituye un Estado organizado, sino un conglomerado humano.

El dirigente fundador del Partido de la Liberación Dominicana afirma que la reciente presencia en la isla de Santo Domingo de “dos figuras mundiales de la categoría de Jimmy Carter y Bill Clinton en función de guardianes ejecutivos misioneros”, es una prueba de una denuncia que él hizo hace más de 20 años sobre la existencia de un supuesto plan de las potencias internacionales para fusionar a República Dominicana y a la República de Haití en un solo país.
Recuerda que el entonces presidente Joaquín Balaguer acusó a Francia del apoyar el supuesto plan.

“El verdadero presidente de ese conglomerado que todavía responde al nombre de Haití es el señor Clinton y aunque todo el mundo sabe de las profundas diferencias y contradicciones que existen entre él y el señor Carter, ambas figuras avaladas por su prestigio de ex mandatarios de la nación más poderosa del mundo, están dando cumplimiento a una orden del gobierno de su país, convencido de que Haití no tiene posibilidades de vivir como sociedad civilizada bajo los lineamientos jurídicos de un Estado republicano”, resalta.

Según el profesor, abogado y dirigente político, el alegado plan para fusionar a haitianos y dominicanos en un solo país es auspiciado por Estados Unidos, Francia y Canadá, y que incluso se le pondría un nuevo nombre al territorio de la isla La Española, el cual no se ha revelado.
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#819 - Posted 13 October 2009, 7:53 AM
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"No country in the world can carry Haiti's problems"
Statement by Alain Rouquié- High Ranking French Diplomat-
13 de Octubre del 2009.


OPINIÓN
'Ningún país por sí solo puede cargar con Haití'
Javier Valdivia - 10/13/2009- Listin Diario-

ALAIN ROUQUIÉ, DIPLOMÁTICO EXPERTO EN AMÉRICA LATINA

Alain Rouquié llegó por primera vez al país invitado por Funglode.
Santo Domingo.- Ningún país por sí solo puede hacerse cargo de lo que sucede en Haití cuando la solución a los problemas de esa nación es responsabilidad de los propios haitianos, dijo a LISTÍN DIARIO Alain Rouquié, diplomático francés experto en asuntos latinoamericanos y actual presidente de la Casa de las Américas de París, para quien cabe resaltar el importante papel que ha asumido América Latina con respecto a la nación más pobre del continente.

Rouquié también destacó que Haití ha logrado avances notables con respecto a la estabilidad política y el funcionamiento de la democracia, pero advirtió que existe la urgencia de construir instituciones y capacitar a las personas que deben hacerse cargo de ellas.

“Lo que tiene Haití ahora de positivo es la estabilidad política que creo que es la primera vez que la democracia funciona tan bien, pero sabemos muy bien que hay una necesidad de construir instituciones y de construir capacidades”, manifestó el experto.

Por esa razón, Rouquié consideró que existe también la necesidad de establecer una simultaneidad para que el Estado haitiano funcione, al igual que la justicia y las fuerzas de seguridad.

“Y eso es un trabajo largo de la comunidad internacional que no podemos hacer solos ni Europa o Francia; hay que buscar objetivos positivos de formación de instituciones y formación de gente que las pueda manejar”, agregó.

El ex director sobre las Américas de la Cancillería francesa dio declaraciones al LISTÍN DIARIO un día antes de que dictara la conferencia “América Latina frente y después de la crisis” ayer en Funglode.

Rouquié también participará mañana en una tertulia en la biblioteca Juan Bosch de la misma institución, con el tema “América Latina: un enfoque hacia la región en el siglo XXI”.

El especialista francés consideró que el hecho de que Francia y Brasil hayan demostrado su compromiso con la ayuda a Haití reflejada en la visita de sus cancilleres a Puerto Príncipe, con la construcción de instituciones del Estado, la puesta en marcha de la economía y la estabilización de la situación económica y política es un cambio extraordinario.

“No es que Francia quiera transferir sus responsabilidades.

América Latina ha asumido su responsabilidad para con Haití”, afirmó.

Narcotráfico y región
Con respecto a uno de los principales problemas que enfrenta la región, Rouquié afirmó que la reforma de los aparatos de seguridad se ha convertido en una “necesidad de vida o muerte” para garantizar que el narcotráfico no penetre en los Estados.

Rouquié dijo que si la delincuencia organizada es cada vez más fuerte, tanto que algunos Estados han sido penetrados, es porque el mismo Estado nacional es débil, porque la policía no funciona, por la corrupción y por su mal desempeño.



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Micaela previously said:

I agree Popon, but we have to stop talking about and start working for it. You say each Dominican would pay for a block; maybe we should start by paying for few photocopies. Let's make, copy and distribute pamphlets. Hand them down them in public places, like supermarkets, mall, affix them to cars or door to door, requesting from our President and authorities in not uncertain terms, to take care of the Haitians massive presence before they became international community declares them a national minority or worse, before it turns to a Kosovo situation. Or the said pamphlets may call not to vote for the candidates that do not compromise with a solution, or anything on that line. Or just maybe, the need for that wall, before we loose our country. Together we may even pay for and add in a national newspaper or if somebody knows somebody, get a spot in an on line one.

If each of us distributes, let's say a hundred, when the government agents see enough of them, all over the country, they would be forced to do something and that would be a start.



Great ideas Micaela, and welcome back. We have not been enough activists for this cause and bit by bit we are losing our country, while we snooze. The DR is being flooded by the unwanted Haitians and they are all over the place. In stop lights begging and selling trinkets they used to be 3 or 4, now there are a dozen, and the discredit campaign continues, and we are being singled out, harassed, persecuted by the PC crowd, the pro-Haitian traitors disguised as "patriots" and the hundreds of ONG's.


The best way to spread the message and make every dominican aware of this issue is going back to the resources and methods that Juan Pablo Duarte and Los Trinitarios used to gain popular support, today this task can be easily accomplished using today's technology, such as e-mails, websites, networking sites like Facebook. Booklets, photocopies or printed information may work to an extent, however, it's expensive and inefficient, on the other hand an e-mail can go accross the world in days.
I support any human and well orchestrated action to control haitian illegial immigration, but first we need to make our people aware and gain the support necessary to get our government attention.


Fantastic idea, we are already three, let's get three more and start the networking. First thing we could do is translate the article to english and start sending it to different newspapers in the USA in the "opinion" section.
The Dominican people are aware, but are burdened by all the daily problems of living in the DR aggravated by the power shortages, unemployment, and general slowdown of trade, caused by the international financial crisis, all this plus the high unemployment rate caused by the unwanted Haitian immigration, and what this huge influx of poor and needy economic refugees are doing to our already stressed to the max economy.


Generoso, the article is quite large it might need to be reduced.
Can we form Google group I believe is free where we can discuss this newsletter-e-mail in more detail.

Micaela what do you think?

Mirabueno, now if you or anyone would like to be involved, we need to be careful whom you pass information to, for there are a lot of vende patria out there waiting to sabotage any intent the patriots want to make.


yes many do not have the republics best intrests an i have met many. one of them is a woman named raquel cepeda.
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