| #821 - Posted 14 October 2009, 6:50 AM | |
Location: United States, DR Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 8401 | RE: Haitian Dilemma: Suggestions.... Haitian UN occupation force extended another year. Miércoles 14 de Octubre del 2009, NACIONES UNIDAS La ONU ampliará su misión en Haití AUMENTARÁ EL NÚMERO DE POLICÍAS A 2,211 AGENTES MÁS Víctima. Miembros de la Minustah, próximo a un ataúd con los restos de un soldado uruguayo que murió en un accidente aéreo, el viernes pasado. cerca de la frontera dominicana. Naciones Unidas.- El Consejo de Seguridad de la ONU votó ayer martes a favor de extender el plazo de su misión en Haití, aumentando su número de agentes de policía a un máximo de 2,211 porque la situación constituye aún “una amenaza para la paz y seguridad en la región”. Los miembros del Consejo de Seguridad aprobaron de forma unánime la resolución para extender el plazo de la misión MINUSTAH hasta el 15 de octubre del 2010, y para asistir a las autoridades haitianas en logística y seguridad de cara a las elecciones previstas en el país el año que viene. La ONU recomendó recientemente que cada una de las nueve unidades policiales que conforman la misión mantuviera un personal de 140 agentes, en lugar de la cifra actual, que oscila entre 85 y 140. La medida supone un aumento total de 120 agentes. Según el informe en que se basa la resolución aprobada el martes, la maniobra es necesaria para “reforzar la capacidad de la misión de ayudar a las autoridades haitianas en sus esfuerzos de control de multitudes”. MINUSTAH mantendrá además un componente militar de hasta 6,940 efectivos, según la resolución. La misión fue establecida en el país en el 2004, después de que el entonces presidente Jean Bertrand Arístide abandonara el país para refugiarse en el exilio tras un conflicto armado que se esparció en varias ciudades del país. El vicerepresentante permanente de Haití ante la ONU, Jean-Wesley Cazeau, agradeció el martes al Consejo de Seguridad la extensión de la ayuda. La ONU concluyó en el documento que la situación de seguridad en Haití “ha mejorado en cierta medida durante el último año, pero sigue siendo frágil”. La misión se encargará de seguir ayudando al gobierno de Haití a reformar y reestructurar la policía nacional. UN AGRADECIMIENTO POR LA EXTENSIÓN La misión se encargará además de hacer frente al tráfico ilícito de personas, en particular niños, al tráfico de drogas y armas y a otras actividades ilegales. El Consejo condenó las “graves violaciones cometidas contra los niños afectados por la violencia armada, así como los casos generalizados de violación y otros abusos sexuales contra mujeres y niñas”. El Consejo de Seguridad también reiteró su apoyo al el ex presidente estadounidense Bill Clinton, quien fue nombrado este año enviado especial de la ONU a Haití. La ONU indicó que respaldará “particularmente sus esfuerzos por crear nuevos empleos, mejorar la prestación de los servicios básicos y la infraestructura”, además de ayudar en casos de desastre. Edited on 10/14/2009 6:51 AM by generoso. "Speak softly, and carry a big stick, you will go far". |
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| #822 - Posted 14 October 2009, 7:38 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: March 2009 Member #: 2266 Posts: 1533 | RE: THE SOLUTION TO HAITI'S PROBLEMS CAN NOT COME FROM THE DR Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: Inquisidor previously said: "A patriotic movement must be started in DR sooner rather than later" So your suggestions needs to make clear when, how, what name? Who should lead it? Pellegrin Castillo? Alfonso Moreno? A non politician? Any of the above or all of the above. It is not a political movement, but a PATRIOTIC movement. We should not have a political agenda, so as not to dilute our message with petty politics. There should not be ONE leader but many. ALL can and should participate. The name could originate in this post, how about: Quisqueya La Bella Do you mean like a leaderless resistance, unconventional warfare type of thing?. You already know how difficult it is to get guns, let alone their prices(40,000 pesos for an average handgun!). Even though you can always get it from the black market for 1/4 of its price. Sum to that the average Dominican, who has no military experience(unlike USA), and all their half-assed morals that will make them accept bribes.. Edited on 10/14/2009 7:42 AM by cyberdragon. |
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| #823 - Posted 14 October 2009, 8:50 AM | |
Location: United States, DR Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 8401 | RE: THE SOLUTION TO HAITI'S PROBLEMS CAN NOT COME FROM THE DR Quote: cyberdragon previously said: Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: Inquisidor previously said: "A patriotic movement must be started in DR sooner rather than later" So your suggestions needs to make clear when, how, what name? Who should lead it? Pellegrin Castillo? Alfonso Moreno? A non politician? Any of the above or all of the above. It is not a political movement, but a PATRIOTIC movement. We should not have a political agenda, so as not to dilute our message with petty politics. There should not be ONE leader but many. ALL can and should participate. The name could originate in this post, how about: Quisqueya La Bella Do you mean like a leaderless resistance, unconventional warfare type of thing?. You already know how difficult it is to get guns, let alone their prices(40,000 pesos for an average handgun!). Even though you can always get it from the black market for 1/4 of its price. Sum to that the average Dominican, who has no military experience(unlike USA), and all their half-assed morals that will make them accept bribes.. No never, do not misinterpret my words. I have never advocated and never will advocate, for armed guerrilla warfare or vigilante style tactics like the John Birch society in the USA. You can be an activist by being proactive with words, emails, pamphlets, articles, and so forth. Read the last few postings by Micaela and popon again and their "The best way to spread the message and make every dominican aware of this issue is going back to the resources and methods that Juan Pablo Duarte and Los Trinitarios used to gain popular support, today this task can be easily accomplished using today's technology, such as e-mails, websites, networking sites like Facebook ok. Booklets, photocopies or printed information may work to an extent, however, it's expensive and inefficient, on the other hand an e-mail can go accross the world in days. I support any human and well orchestrated action to control haitian illegial immigration, but first we need to make our people aware and gain the support necessary to get our government attention". Edited on 10/14/2009 8:55 AM by generoso. "Speak softly, and carry a big stick, you will go far". |
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| #824 - Posted 14 October 2009, 3:38 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, PROUD & Glad to have a Spanish last name and ancestry Join date: November 2008 Member #: 1609 Posts: 1791 | RE: THE SOLUTION TO HAITI'S PROBLEMS CAN NOT COME FROM THE DR Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: cyberdragon previously said: Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: Inquisidor previously said: "A patriotic movement must be started in DR sooner rather than later" So your suggestions needs to make clear when, how, what name? Who should lead it? Pellegrin Castillo? Alfonso Moreno? A non politician? Any of the above or all of the above. It is not a political movement, but a PATRIOTIC movement. We should not have a political agenda, so as not to dilute our message with petty politics. There should not be ONE leader but many. ALL can and should participate. The name could originate in this post, how about: Quisqueya La Bella Do you mean like a leaderless resistance, unconventional warfare type of thing?. You already know how difficult it is to get guns, let alone their prices(40,000 pesos for an average handgun!). Even though you can always get it from the black market for 1/4 of its price. Sum to that the average Dominican, who has no military experience(unlike USA), and all their half-assed morals that will make them accept bribes.. No never, do not misinterpret my words. I have never advocated and never will advocate, for armed guerrilla warfare or vigilante style tactics like the John Birch society in the USA. You can be an activist by being proactive with words, emails, pamphlets, articles, and so forth. Read the last few postings by Micaela and popon again and their "The best way to spread the message and make every dominican aware of this issue is going back to the resources and methods that Juan Pablo Duarte and Los Trinitarios used to gain popular support, today this task can be easily accomplished using today's technology, such as e-mails, websites, networking sites like Facebook ok. Booklets, photocopies or printed information may work to an extent, however, it's expensive and inefficient, on the other hand an e-mail can go accross the world in days. I support any human and well orchestrated action to control haitian illegial immigration, but first we need to make our people aware and gain the support necessary to get our government attention". Cyberdragon, generoso is correct. We are working on forming a Google group or blog where we all can communicate simultaneously. We'll be making newsletter and pass it around via e-mails and maybe newspaper adds. We'll be advocating for the wall and attention from the politicians. We do not believe in violence but civility. The problem we are facing will be control, but in a civil way. Did any body hear about the "Vigilia por la Patria" in Santo Domingo? That was a good start and we should emulate and help such activity. Cyberdragon see my PM. Edited on 10/14/2009 3:41 PM by poponlaburra. "PROUD & Glad to have a Spanish last name and ancestry" |
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| #825 - Posted 14 October 2009, 4:26 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: Haitian Dilemma: Suggestions.... These are all good steps in making people conscious I just hope it happens before a blow out. |
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| #826 - Posted 16 October 2009, 12:00 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2945 Posts: 803 | RE: Haitian Dilemma: Suggestions.... This interesting post comes from a thread in Foros Clave Digital, called De traidores, sinverguenzas y otras sabandijas. In it they post news of Dominicans, heads of NGO's and anyone clearly proHaitians that does not care at all for Dominicans fate, but promotes an open border policy, denounces the Dominican people as racists or xenophobes or try to block any measure to reduce the massive Haitian presence in DR. Dominicano conoce a los traidores, conoce a los verdugos de nuestra nacionalidad!!! Escrito por: PEDRO GERMOSÉN (p.germosen@hoy.com.do) La Asamblea Revisora se propondría ampliar la cobertura del jus solis para otorgar una amnistía condicionada a los miles de hijos de extranjeros indocumentados nacidos en territorio dominicano. http://deco-01.slide.com/r/1/110/dl/Nvv1xhhc7D-dkPLDmmhXlIgrIy2JEyCf/watermark Así lo reveló ayer el presidente de la comisión de Verificación, doctor Frank Martínez, quien informó que también será reconsiderado el rechazo de la Asamblea a la rendición de cuentas de los legisladores. Para otorgar la amnistía a los hijos de extranjeros ilegales, la Asamblea Revisora modificaría, en segunda lectura, el artículo 16, que trata sobre la nacionalidad. “En la comisión de Verificación hay conciencia de que el reglamento de la secretaría de lo Interior sobre los indocumentados no se corresponde con la visión de la mayoría de los dominicanos”, dijo. Martínez expresó que la situación de esos hijos de extranjeros que residen ilegalmente nacidos aquí debe resolverse, porque incluso están inscritos en el Registro Civil y los ampara el reglamento de la Ley de Migración de 1939. Dijo que, en consecuencia, en la comisión de Revisión se procura una amnistía condicionada mediante la revisión de todos los casos de los hijos de extranjeros. http://foros.clavedigital.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5826&PN=4" target="_blank">http://foros.clavedigital.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5826&PN=4 We could use something like that in our campaign to force our politician to take a stand in the Haitian problem, if they want to be elected. Let's show people what their real interest are and make them think about it. Are those the people we want to elect to our offices and government? |
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| #827 - Posted 20 October 2009, 4:50 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, PROUD & Glad to have a Spanish last name and ancestry Join date: November 2008 Member #: 1609 Posts: 1791 | RE: Haitian Dilemma: Suggestions.... Quote: Micaela previously said: This interesting post comes from a thread in Foros Clave Digital, called De traidores, sinverguenzas y otras sabandijas. In it they post news of Dominicans, heads of NGO's and anyone clearly proHaitians that does not care at all for Dominicans fate, but promotes an open border policy, denounces the Dominican people as racists or xenophobes or try to block any measure to reduce the massive Haitian presence in DR. Dominicano conoce a los traidores, conoce a los verdugos de nuestra nacionalidad!!! Escrito por: PEDRO GERMOSÉN (p.germosen@hoy.com.do) La Asamblea Revisora se propondría ampliar la cobertura del jus solis para otorgar una amnistía condicionada a los miles de hijos de extranjeros indocumentados nacidos en territorio dominicano. http://deco-01.slide.com/r/1/110/dl/Nvv1xhhc7D-dkPLDmmhXlIgrIy2JEyCf/watermark Así lo reveló ayer el presidente de la comisión de Verificación, doctor Frank Martínez, quien informó que también será reconsiderado el rechazo de la Asamblea a la rendición de cuentas de los legisladores. Para otorgar la amnistía a los hijos de extranjeros ilegales, la Asamblea Revisora modificaría, en segunda lectura, el artículo 16, que trata sobre la nacionalidad. “En la comisión de Verificación hay conciencia de que el reglamento de la secretaría de lo Interior sobre los indocumentados no se corresponde con la visión de la mayoría de los dominicanos”, dijo. Martínez expresó que la situación de esos hijos de extranjeros que residen ilegalmente nacidos aquí debe resolverse, porque incluso están inscritos en el Registro Civil y los ampara el reglamento de la Ley de Migración de 1939. Dijo que, en consecuencia, en la comisión de Revisión se procura una amnistía condicionada mediante la revisión de todos los casos de los hijos de extranjeros. http://foros.clavedigital.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5826&PN=4" target="_blank">http://foros.clavedigital.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5826&PN=4 We could use something like that in our campaign to force our politician to take a stand in the Haitian problem, if they want to be elected. Let's show people what their real interest are and make them think about it. Are those the people we want to elect to our offices and government? Great article Micaela. See my PM, I got a great e-mail sent to me that we could use. Let me know what you think. Tomorrow I'll be sending it out to others. Edited on 10/20/2009 5:20 AM by poponlaburra. "PROUD & Glad to have a Spanish last name and ancestry" |
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| #828 - Posted 21 October 2009, 3:21 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, PROUD & Glad to have a Spanish last name and ancestry Join date: November 2008 Member #: 1609 Posts: 1791 | RE: THE SOLUTION TO HAITI'S PROBLEMS CAN NOT COME FROM THE DR Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: cyberdragon previously said: Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: Inquisidor previously said: "A patriotic movement must be started in DR sooner rather than later" So your suggestions needs to make clear when, how, what name? Who should lead it? Pellegrin Castillo? Alfonso Moreno? A non politician? Any of the above or all of the above. It is not a political movement, but a PATRIOTIC movement. We should not have a political agenda, so as not to dilute our message with petty politics. There should not be ONE leader but many. ALL can and should participate. The name could originate in this post, how about: Quisqueya La Bella Do you mean like a leaderless resistance, unconventional warfare type of thing?. You already know how difficult it is to get guns, let alone their prices(40,000 pesos for an average handgun!). Even though you can always get it from the black market for 1/4 of its price. Sum to that the average Dominican, who has no military experience(unlike USA), and all their half-assed morals that will make them accept bribes.. No never, do not misinterpret my words. I have never advocated and never will advocate, for armed guerrilla warfare or vigilante style tactics like the John Birch society in the USA. You can be an activist by being proactive with words, emails, pamphlets, articles, and so forth. Read the last few postings by Micaela and popon again and their "The best way to spread the message and make every dominican aware of this issue is going back to the resources and methods that Juan Pablo Duarte and Los Trinitarios used to gain popular support, today this task can be easily accomplished using today's technology, such as e-mails, websites, networking sites like Facebook ok. Booklets, photocopies or printed information may work to an extent, however, it's expensive and inefficient, on the other hand an e-mail can go accross the world in days. I support any human and well orchestrated action to control haitian illegial immigration, but first we need to make our people aware and gain the support necessary to get our government attention". Generoso, Micaela and the others, a yahoo group has been fomed. Below is the home page so you can join and we'll go from there. Let me know hat you think. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/quisqueya_jamas_destruida/ "PROUD & Glad to have a Spanish last name and ancestry" |
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| #829 - Posted 24 October 2009, 2:40 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3407 Posts: 2120 | RE: Haitian Dilemma: Suggestions.... |
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| #830 - Posted 29 October 2009, 8:53 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3407 Posts: 2120 | RE: Haitian Dilemma: Suggestions.... Gobierno de Haití enfrentará tráfico ilegal de haitianos Ricardo Santana - 10/29/2009 Santiago.- El cónsul haitiano en Dajabón, Jean Batiste Bien Aimé, informó que el Gobierno de su país establecerá un plan de contingencia para desmantelar las redes que se dedican a reclutar a haitianos para traficarlos a República Dominicana. En cuanto a los robos de reses y las violaciones a las leyes territoriales fronterizas, dijo que Haití es más afectado que República Dominicana, pero estimó que eso no es excusa para que las autoridades de las dos naciones diseñen acciones conjuntas para enfrentar todos los males que se presentan en ambos lados de la frontera. En ese orden, reiteró que Haití establecerá vigilancias permanentes en su frontera con la República Dominicana, a fin de contrarrestar el tráfico de personas, armas de fuego, drogas, el contrabando y los robos de animales y vehículos. El diplomático manifestó que el Gobierno haitiano está consciente de todos los problemas que están ocurriendo en la frontera, por lo que entiende que se requieren acciones conjuntas de los dos países caribeños para enfrentar los males. Explicó que la Academia Policial de Haití entrena un personal especializado para crear una policía fronteriza, a fin de contrarrestar todas esas irregularidades que se están dando. Batiste Bien Aimé declaró que su Gobierno tiene un compromiso con República Dominicana y la comunidad internacional de luchar en contra de la delincuencia en la frontera. También dijo que el Gobierno de su país está creando nuevas fuentes de empleos para que los haitianos no emigren al territorio dominicano. |
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