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#11 - Posted 22 July 2009, 2:30 PM
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Looks like a bunch of B.S. to me.


To me it is as if you just knew right from the start.


Had it been another one of the many crappy pseudo-articles attacking us he would have been on the first row applauding it, hypocritical troll that he is. It's such a pity that articles like this are seldom given the attention that they deserve.
Edited on 7/22/2009 2:34 PM by Lautaro.
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#12 - Posted 22 July 2009, 2:42 PM
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Looks like a bunch of B.S. to me.


To me it is as if you just knew right from the start.


Had it been another one of the many crappy pseudo-articles attacking us he would have been on the first row applauding it, hypocritical troll that he is. It's such a pity that articles like this are seldom given the attention that they deserve.

eso e verdad lautaro! you are speaking pure truth. an enemy of quisqueya cannot be tolerated!
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#13 - Posted 22 July 2009, 2:48 PM
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Looks like a bunch of B.S. to me.


To me it is as if you just knew right from the start.


Had it been another one of the many crappy pseudo-articles attacking us he would have been on the first row applauding it, hypocritical troll that he is. It's such a pity that articles like this are seldom given the attention that they deserve.

The man is a narcissist beyond belief and therefore believes he's a charismatic. He drew no one near to him that wasn't also an insane malcontent.
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#14 - Posted 22 July 2009, 2:52 PM
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RE: Racism lives in Haiti!
That's why I can't help but agree wholeheartedly with A. D. Powell when she says:

"Throughout history many nations and ethnic groups have tried to forcibly assimilate others. The English tried to assimilate the Celtic nations of Ireland, Scotland and Wales. The Castilians tried to assimilate the Basques and Catalons. The government of Turkey says there is no such thing as a Kurd, only another variety of Turk. Black Americans are one of the few cases of a subordinate ethnic group thinking it has the 'right' to commit the ethnic 'rape' of conquerors. American Indians, Asian-Americans and others might inappropriately claim some mixed people but they do not generally go into a towering rage over the thought of losing the 'blood' of their 'white' rivals.

"The 'one drop' advocates should be told that they have no right to commit racial or ethnic 'rape,' telling others that they will be taken against their will. They have no right to 'rape' either the living or the dead -- 'blackening' the names of people who were not 'black' and never claimed to be (Jean Toomer, Alexander Dumas, Alexander Pushkin and numerous others subjected to 'kidnapping' when they are dead and unable to defend themselves). Anyone who says he wants to 'unite' with you and will do so whether you like it or not is a rapist. Ethnic rape can be just as real and demeaning as sexual rape.

"The people who are subjected to the 'You just don't want to be black' accusation should proudly respond in the affirmative and say that they don't want to pretend to belong to a 'race' that doesn't describe them merely to ease the inferiority complex of the 'one drop' advocates. Indeed, let the 'one drop' advocates say to the Hispanics (almost all mixed race), Jews, Italians, Greeks, etc. that those groups cling to their various heritages just because they don't want to be 'black.' That's partly true. They don't want to be something else either. They want to be who they are."

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#15 - Posted 22 July 2009, 3:04 PM
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That's why I can't help but agree wholeheartedly with A. D. Powell when she says:

"Throughout history many nations and ethnic groups have tried to forcibly assimilate others. The English tried to assimilate the Celtic nations of Ireland, Scotland and Wales. The Castilians tried to assimilate the Basques and Catalons. The government of Turkey says there is no such thing as a Kurd, only another variety of Turk. Black Americans are one of the few cases of a subordinate ethnic group thinking it has the 'right' to commit the ethnic 'rape' of conquerors. American Indians, Asian-Americans and others might inappropriately claim some mixed people but they do not generally go into a towering rage over the thought of losing the 'blood' of their 'white' rivals.

"The 'one drop' advocates should be told that they have no right to commit racial or ethnic 'rape,' telling others that they will be taken against their will. They have no right to 'rape' either the living or the dead -- 'blackening' the names of people who were not 'black' and never claimed to be (Jean Toomer, Alexander Dumas, Alexander Pushkin and numerous others subjected to 'kidnapping' when they are dead and unable to defend themselves). Anyone who says he wants to 'unite' with you and will do so whether you like it or not is a rapist. Ethnic rape can be just as real and demeaning as sexual rape.

"The people who are subjected to the 'You just don't want to be black' accusation should proudly respond in the affirmative and say that they don't want to pretend to belong to a 'race' that doesn't describe them merely to ease the inferiority complex of the 'one drop' advocates. Indeed, let the 'one drop' advocates say to the Hispanics (almost all mixed race), Jews, Italians, Greeks, etc. that those groups cling to their various heritages just because they don't want to be 'black.' That's partly true. They don't want to be something else either. They want to be who they are."

Más claro de ahí, ni el agua.


I think you should go see a shrink, you have some serious issues. I do not believe in the one-drop rule. Further more it does not apply to the majority of Dominicans I see everyday in the first place. Why? Well...read my previous comments on the issue.
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#16 - Posted 22 July 2009, 3:05 PM
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Looks like a bunch of B.S. to me.


To me it is as if you just knew right from the start.


Had it been another one of the many crappy pseudo-articles attacking us he would have been on the first row applauding it, hypocritical troll that he is. It's such a pity that articles like this are seldom given the attention that they deserve.

eso e verdad lautaro! you are speaking pure truth. an enemy of quisqueya cannot be tolerated!


I HAVE ONE THING TO SAY TO YOU, PLEASE GO GET A JOB!!!! SO THAT MY EX CAN STOP SUPPORTING YOU!!!
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#17 - Posted 22 July 2009, 3:08 PM
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By Emmanuel W. VEDRINE, University of Rhode Island
Boston Haitian Reporter, Vol. 6, Issue #10
October 2007

It is quite funny when reading on-line some Haitians who put so much emphasis on racism as if there was no racism back home. What would we conclude if we’d just take a trip back to Haiti and take a look at most of the students who attend top prestigious schools to see what color they are.

There was a light skinned Haitian couple who, in the 70's, moved to a white neighborhood in New York because they taught they'd pass for white (as they would with no problem in Haiti or in the Dominican Republic). But when white kids in the vicinity started shouting at them by calling them the “N” word, they had to move out quickly.

Racism can exist anywhere. We can talk about it, criticizing it, etc. But, hey, it will still exist. Just be proud of who we are, be proud of what we can accomplish or have accomplished in life to help others and our community.
I myself felt as a foreigner in my own native Haiti, when I could not live in certain areas or attend certain schools. This is a so-called “black country” where most dark skinned people are being mistreated because they are poor, low class, uneducated; in another word, the underdogs.

The opportunities I’ve enjoyed in my host country, the United States (since 1976), there is no way I'd have that back in my native land. So, all foreigners living in the US shouldn’t be ashamed of uttering one of the greatest American phrases, “God bless America!”.

Which banks in Haiti would lend students money to attend Universities? How many students in Haiti with top grades in secondary schools receive scholarships to study abroad? Summarizing from the Creole saying, Rayi chen, di dan l blan (Hate the dog, say its teeth are white).

Let’s learn to credit the host countries that give us some opportunities, let’s see the positive things we can get from them in order to live a better life in society and then to educate our children. Most Haitians that I know who brag of going back to Haiti to live, after few months there, they want to live the country. So, there’s a problem there and at the same time, we shouldn’t forget the native land; we must try to help it since the host country has given us some opportunities.

Let’s be realistic! If we have left Haiti for a political or economical cause, I am pretty sure that we’ve left it for a better life. In another word, we are not going to kalewès or sitting down doing nothing in the host country. But we must work hard in order to get the best from it. People who are complaining all the time by not doing anything to improve their living conditions are the ones who always have a miserable life.

But are we going to complain about racism here and there or focus on opportunities? So, if back home in Haiti, most Haitians are not being treated as human beings, how on earth we Haitians expect to be treated well even in the neighboring Dominican Republic, where a black Dominican would feel insulted if a Haitian would dare call him /her moreno or morena (“black)?

So, is there any racism in Haiti? A close friend of mine, from the upper class in Haiti, was telling me how some of her relatives tried their very best to get a divorce for one their daughters who married a darked skin, low class man who is a very intelligent guy and then went all the way to Brazil to find a poor white Brazilian to arrange a second marriage for her in order to “save” the race.

Even the darkest person in Haiti would call another one kaka dyab (devil shit). So, how do we, Haitians, expect a lighter skinned person to behave back home when most dark skinned Haitians are not proud of their own skin color?

So, the questions we must think of are: what do we, who suffer from racism, learn from our own experience? Are we going to cry all our lives or move on doing positive things in life, such as getting an education, pursuing a career, learn a trade, helping our community, volunteering our time to help our community, etc.?




You can find the same situation in the Dominican Republic, in the United States, Brasil. Give me a break. What is the purpose of this crap? What does it prove? You are need of serious emotional and pyschological help.
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#18 - Posted 22 July 2009, 3:10 PM
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I think you should go see a shrink, you have some serious issues. I do not believe in the one-drop rule. Further more it does not apply to the majority of Dominicans I see everyday in the first place. Why? Well...read my previous comments on the issue.



Puh-lease, do you think that we have short memories or what? Weren't you the one that was going to make a trip to Samana in order to get "facts"? Even at lying you mightily suck, for goodness sake.

I've seen people backtracking on their views before, but your example is truly unparalleled.
Edited on 7/22/2009 3:18 PM by Lautaro.
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#19 - Posted 22 July 2009, 3:38 PM
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I think you should go see a shrink, you have some serious issues. I do not believe in the one-drop rule. Further more it does not apply to the majority of Dominicans I see everyday in the first place. Why? Well...read my previous comments on the issue.



Puh-lease, do you think that we have short memories or what? Weren't you the one that was going to make a trip to Samana in order to get "facts"? Even at lying you mightily suck, for goodness sake.

I've seen people backtracking on their views before, but your example is truly unparalleled.


Are'nt you the one who got banned and went crying to the moderate to be placed back on the forum? answer YES. Are'nt I the one who said I was visiting Samana? answer YES. Did i visit, answer YES. Did I investigate facts. YES. What facts? Women!!! Black Dominicans and tons of them. So busy investigating them, I forgot to write my report.

I'll be back there Saturday for a few more volunteers, then I'll complete my investigation and report.
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#20 - Posted 22 July 2009, 3:44 PM
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That's why I can't help but agree wholeheartedly with A. D. Powell when she says:

"Throughout history many nations and ethnic groups have tried to forcibly assimilate others. The English tried to assimilate the Celtic nations of Ireland, Scotland and Wales. The Castilians tried to assimilate the Basques and Catalons. The government of Turkey says there is no such thing as a Kurd, only another variety of Turk. Black Americans are one of the few cases of a subordinate ethnic group thinking it has the 'right' to commit the ethnic 'rape' of conquerors. American Indians, Asian-Americans and others might inappropriately claim some mixed people but they do not generally go into a towering rage over the thought of losing the 'blood' of their 'white' rivals.

"The 'one drop' advocates should be told that they have no right to commit racial or ethnic 'rape,' telling others that they will be taken against their will. They have no right to 'rape' either the living or the dead -- 'blackening' the names of people who were not 'black' and never claimed to be (Jean Toomer, Alexander Dumas, Alexander Pushkin and numerous others subjected to 'kidnapping' when they are dead and unable to defend themselves). Anyone who says he wants to 'unite' with you and will do so whether you like it or not is a rapist. Ethnic rape can be just as real and demeaning as sexual rape.

"The people who are subjected to the 'You just don't want to be black' accusation should proudly respond in the affirmative and say that they don't want to pretend to belong to a 'race' that doesn't describe them merely to ease the inferiority complex of the 'one drop' advocates. Indeed, let the 'one drop' advocates say to the Hispanics (almost all mixed race), Jews, Italians, Greeks, etc. that those groups cling to their various heritages just because they don't want to be 'black.' That's partly true. They don't want to be something else either. They want to be who they are."

Más claro de ahí, ni el agua.


I think I should go see a shrink, I definitely have some serious issues. I do not believe in the one-drop rule, except for trolling purposes, especially on Dominican forums. I know it does not apply to the majority of Dominicans I see everyday in the first place. Why do I sometimes use it? Well...read my previous comments on the various issues I suffer from (low self-esteem, lack of attention as a child and now from my boyfriend, etc.) .


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