what unification would result in - Santo Domingo

RE: what unification would result in

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antonioj previously said:

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FredCDobbs previously said:

unification would seem an extreme long shot unless it was imposed by an occupying force the cultural differences are profound to say the least .....let alone the antipathy expressed by either side toward the other....experience tells us of the futility of this concept as it has been applied in Europe for example

Yes it is notable that Europe did not become a peaceful place until they realized they could not get along unless everyone had their own designated patch of land

Antonio even #2 and #3 are not good ideas unless both sides are standing closer together. Any sort of political union while one side is down can only result in a clash, even just loose federation. Even #2 seems like a distant goal judging from the headlines we get here regularly about disputes in border trade.

Hatero option 2 was debated extensively in this very forum, I do not have all the links, however the numbers will reveal a total different story that worth your peruse, with respect to trade dispute it happened everywhere,even with countries like Canada and USA that have a free trade agreement in place, for that matter I will be eerie to use such instance as an indicator of an attainable goal or not.

Thing is, for a proper trade agreement to be put in place, the business class of both countries would have to be willing to relinquish the monopoly in their respective turf, and given the inherent predatory and selfish nature of them both, it's almost the same as expecting hell to freeze over. In the case of the dominican business class, it seems that the lessons of the DR-CAFTA have been ignored completely.

Edited on 8/15/2009 10:53 AM by Lautaro.

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#15 - Posted 15 August 2009, 11:05 AM
antonioj Location: Canada, home safe Join date: January 2008 Member #: 268 Posts: 2578	RE: what unification would result in Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: antonioj previously said: Quote: HateroPardo previously said: Quote: FredCDobbs previously said: unification would seem an extreme long shot unless it was imposed by an occupying force the cultural differences are profound to say the least .....let alone the antipathy expressed by either side toward the other....experience tells us of the futility of this concept as it has been applied in Europe for example Yes it is notable that Europe did not become a peaceful place until they realized they could not get along unless everyone had their own designated patch of land Antonio even #2 and #3 are not good ideas unless both sides are standing closer together. Any sort of political union while one side is down can only result in a clash, even just loose federation. Even #2 seems like a distant goal judging from the headlines we get here regularly about disputes in border trade. Hatero option 2 was debated extensively in this very forum, I do not have all the links, however the numbers will reveal a total different story that worth your peruse, with respect to trade dispute it happened everywhere,even with countries like Canada and USA that have a free trade agreement in place, for that matter I will be eerie to use such instance as an indicator of an attainable goal or not. Thing is, for a proper trade agreement to be put in place, the business class of both countries would have to be willing to relinquish the monopoly in their respective turf, and given the inherent predatory and selfish nature of them both, it's almost the same as expecting hell to freeze over. In the case of the dominican business class, it seems that the lessons of the DR-CAFTA have been ignored completely. Lat, if my memory serves me right you were part of the discussion then, your point above is absolutely valid. For instance Canada was strongly against any free trade with the USA however the powerful business elite on both sides decided otherwise, like I say the idea is not far fetch Hatero however it's imperative on Haiti to meet a minimum standard. We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope.
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#11 - Posted 15 August 2009, 10:33 AM
Lautaro Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4364	RE: what unification would result in Quote: generoso previously said: I would say that unless the economic imbalances and health deficiencies in both countries are more balanced, no integration, assimilation, or even contemplation, of some sort of common goals can not be planned for both countries. As Lautaro, mentioned, as soon as you cross the border your life expectancy increases 20 years immediately, and that is a fact. Haiti is a basket case as far as infrastructure, and the sanitary facilities are in shambles, and there is little power or running water. Most people including mulatto Dominicans are classist, not racist in any way, shape or form, and the two concepts must not be mistaken. Recently, my dad and I were on a trip to the other side of the border, and I couldn't help but notice that he's on the treshold of life expectancy limits over there (56 years of age). How can a country advance when even elderly people are an oddity in it? Edited on 8/15/2009 10:38 AM by Lautaro. “Since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved.” Niccolo Machiavelli
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#13 - Posted 15 August 2009, 10:52 AM
Lautaro Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4364	RE: what unification would result in Quote: antonioj previously said: Quote: HateroPardo previously said: Quote: FredCDobbs previously said: unification would seem an extreme long shot unless it was imposed by an occupying force the cultural differences are profound to say the least .....let alone the antipathy expressed by either side toward the other....experience tells us of the futility of this concept as it has been applied in Europe for example Yes it is notable that Europe did not become a peaceful place until they realized they could not get along unless everyone had their own designated patch of land Antonio even #2 and #3 are not good ideas unless both sides are standing closer together. Any sort of political union while one side is down can only result in a clash, even just loose federation. Even #2 seems like a distant goal judging from the headlines we get here regularly about disputes in border trade. Hatero option 2 was debated extensively in this very forum, I do not have all the links, however the numbers will reveal a total different story that worth your peruse, with respect to trade dispute it happened everywhere,even with countries like Canada and USA that have a free trade agreement in place, for that matter I will be eerie to use such instance as an indicator of an attainable goal or not. Thing is, for a proper trade agreement to be put in place, the business class of both countries would have to be willing to relinquish the monopoly in their respective turf, and given the inherent predatory and selfish nature of them both, it's almost the same as expecting hell to freeze over. In the case of the dominican business class, it seems that the lessons of the DR-CAFTA have been ignored completely. Edited on 8/15/2009 10:53 AM by Lautaro. “Since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved.” Niccolo Machiavelli
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#16 - Posted 15 August 2009, 11:16 AM
HaytiQuisqueyaBohio Location: United States Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3278 Posts: 301	RE: what unification would result in This poll turned into "let's bash Haiti." Tout nèg ki renmen libète pa janm vle wè polis.-kreyòl-
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#17 - Posted 15 August 2009, 11:22 AM
Incognito Location: Canada, Montreal Join date: June 2009 Member #: 3003 Posts: 454	RE: what unification would result in I would prefer die. ( No offense) TN1804
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#18 - Posted 15 August 2009, 11:44 AM
HateroPardo Location: Dominican Republic, America Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2891 Posts: 830	RE: what unification would result in Quote: Incognito previously said: I would prefer die. ( No offense) None taken Incognito, you are not alone. And no one is bashing Haiti just stating the obvious ... a partnership begun at a moment when one side of the partnership is considerably weaker will not go well. http://englishquisqueya.ning.com
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#12 - Posted 15 August 2009, 10:47 AM
antonioj Location: Canada, home safe Join date: January 2008 Member #: 268 Posts: 2578	RE: what unification would result in Quote: HateroPardo previously said: Quote: FredCDobbs previously said: unification would seem an extreme long shot unless it was imposed by an occupying force the cultural differences are profound to say the least .....let alone the antipathy expressed by either side toward the other....experience tells us of the futility of this concept as it has been applied in Europe for example Yes it is notable that Europe did not become a peaceful place until they realized they could not get along unless everyone had their own designated patch of land Antonio even #2 and #3 are not good ideas unless both sides are standing closer together. Any sort of political union while one side is down can only result in a clash, even just loose federation. Even #2 seems like a distant goal judging from the headlines we get here regularly about disputes in border trade. Hatero option 2 was debated extensively in this very forum, I do not have all the links, however the numbers will reveal a total different story that worth your peruse, with respect to trade dispute it happened everywhere,even with countries like Canada and USA that have a free trade agreement in place, for that matter I will be eerie to use such instance as an indicator of an attainable goal or not. We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope.
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#14 - Posted 15 August 2009, 10:59 AM
antonioj Location: Canada, home safe Join date: January 2008 Member #: 268 Posts: 2578	RE: what unification would result in Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: generoso previously said: I would say that unless the economic imbalances and health deficiencies in both countries are more balanced, no integration, assimilation, or even contemplation, of some sort of common goals can not be planned for both countries. As Lautaro, mentioned, as soon as you cross the border your life expectancy increases 20 years immediately, and that is a fact. Haiti is a basket case as far as infrastructure, and the sanitary facilities are in shambles, and there is little power or running water. Most people including mulatto Dominicans are classist, not racist in any way, shape or form, and the two concepts must not be mistaken. Recently, my dad and I were on a trip to the other side of the border, and I couldn't help but notice that he's on the treshold of life expectancy limits over there (56 years of age). How can a country advance when even elderly people are an oddity in it? Lautaro are you familiar with "forest des pins" that is a forest and supposely protected on the Haitian side, recently some squatters start moving in family of 10, they interview a man he had 11 children, he was cutting the trees according to him that was the only way to feed his children. Nothing get my blood boiled than people showing such irresponsibility, I would said he should be castrated. http://www.fao.org/docrep/003/x6689e/X6689E17.htm Edited on 8/15/2009 11:13 AM by antonioj. We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope.
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#19 - Posted 15 August 2009, 11:58 AM
HateroPardo Location: Dominican Republic, America Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2891 Posts: 830	RE: what unification would result in Quote: antonioj previously said: Quote: HateroPardo previously said: Quote: FredCDobbs previously said: unification would seem an extreme long shot unless it was imposed by an occupying force the cultural differences are profound to say the least .....let alone the antipathy expressed by either side toward the other....experience tells us of the futility of this concept as it has been applied in Europe for example Yes it is notable that Europe did not become a peaceful place until they realized they could not get along unless everyone had their own designated patch of land Antonio even #2 and #3 are not good ideas unless both sides are standing closer together. Any sort of political union while one side is down can only result in a clash, even just loose federation. Even #2 seems like a distant goal judging from the headlines we get here regularly about disputes in border trade. Hatero option 2 was debated extensively in this very forum, I do not have all the links, however the numbers will reveal a total different story that worth your peruse, with respect to trade dispute it happened everywhere,even with countries like Canada and USA that have a free trade agreement in place, for that matter I will be eerie to use such instance as an indicator of an attainable goal or not. Antonio it may be, but in any case I'm not writing here against trade agreements. http://englishquisqueya.ning.com
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#20 - Posted 15 August 2009, 12:10 PM
FredCDobbs Location: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona Join date: April 2009 Member #: 2573 Posts: 3334	RE: what unification would result in They also left a lot of protection in for the Canadians as well Every retail product sold in the whole country of Canada has to be in bilingual packaging . :..this is a huge expense for an American product Thus they open manufacturing in Canada and create jobs My daughter Yaina aka ". Chucky la Nina Diabolica "
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