I'm all for it. After all, our agricultural lands are sustaining both nations already, so we might as well look for more lands to add to the existing islandwide stockpile. Is the plan still on the table? or has it been "engavetado", as in, given the unfortunate fate of many useful projects for our country out there? Plus, the haitian population is still peasant on its majority, so they might receive this warmly, or at least, with less hostility than they have received the free trade zones from the Grupo M.

I second that depending on how it will be achieved, do we not have a plan similar or a project like that in a lower scale with group M (codevi)

Sadly, the Grupo M initiative have been limited only to free trade zones. What have alienated the haitian working class haven't been only the miserly salaries paid by them, but the fact that the lands that the haitian gov. gave the group to build the facilities are ones which would be better used in agricultural projects.

I dont know for USA but here at Montreal we dont descrisbe ourself not as "Canadians" or "Québécois" but has haitians. I think both countries can't be compared because USA have a demography purcentage of +12%- of African-americans and the difference here in Canada, they are only 2,5 % blacks. In your head you will never see a real "Black Canadians" like in USA were they are here since centuries. I think it's why we describe ourselft as haitians rather then Canadians.

People caught in Haiti cutting trees should be Jailed 1 week for example. People would think twice before cutting.

My Grand-father, who was peasants all his life at Léogane, was always putting Coconut trees and mango trees. I dont undestand why people arent doing same thing as him. They would atleast have something to sale.

Putting trees is easy but we need trees that dont need to much care. Some trees were put on the aristide era but the problem his some animal were eating them. They never had the chance to grow up...

You have mention that in the past, the region hinche, lascaobas and artibonite can become the bread basket of Haiti with proper plannning and if given a chance. Yes indeed the east in great capacity is feeding the all island,certainly the Haitian manpower have been sequential in that sector.

In US there is a strong tendency to differentiate yourself. Santana, in the West Indian day parade (that goes down flatbush ave) I see many proud haitian teenagers. It's just that I think in the US "black" kids from the Carribean are oft confused with African-Americans. Also African-American history and struggle is taught in schools while the equally important histroy of black carribenos is not. So I don't know but there seems to be something there. When it comes to Culture I think many american-haitians are proud.

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When it comes to culture, I disagree. To clarify, I should say "many Haitian kids did not care..." I know there are proud, flag-waving, patriotic Haitians out there. I've seen them in the parade myself (back then it would go down Nostrand Avenue) and I've seen a few here and there BUT it is nowhere near the patriotism other people exhibited regularly. Being Haitian was a source of ridicule, as well, so unfortunately this could have contributed to what I saw growing up. My personal experience is that many Haitian-Americans do no exhibit their "Haitianess" as other people exhibit their own cultures.

Let me also point out that US African-Americans do not always embrace Caribbean blacks entirely. They might get confused for one another at plain sight but US Blacks see themselves in a very different (superior) light that Caribbean blacks.

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In US there is a strong tendency to differentiate yourself. Santana, in the West Indian day parade (that goes down flatbush ave) I see many proud haitian teenagers. It's just that I think in the US "black" kids from the Carribean are oft confused with African-Americans. Also African-American history and struggle is taught in schools while the equally important histroy of black carribenos is not. So I don't know but there seems to be something there. When it comes to Culture I think many american-haitians are proud.

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When it comes to culture, I disagree. To clarify, I should say "many Haitian kids did not care..." I know there are proud, flag-waving, patriotic Haitians out there. I've seen them in the parade myself (back then it would go down Nostrand Avenue) and I've seen a few here and there BUT it is nowhere near the patriotism other people exhibited regularly. Being Haitian was a source of ridicule, as well, so unfortunately this could have contributed to what I saw growing up. My personal experience is that many Haitian-Americans do no exhibit their "Haitianess" as other people exhibit their own cultures.

Let me also point out that US African-Americans do not always embrace Caribbean blacks entirely. They might get confused for one another at plain sight but US Blacks see themselves in a very different (superior) light that Caribbean blacks.
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Why?? Our history is just as rich as yours. Our women just as beautiful. You can't compare anywhere in America to the beauty of the Caribbean islands. Why is it that you find yourself superior when a typical Black man look the same as a Caribbean Black man. Not to mention you steal our hairstyles....dreads and similar hairstyles.

If you wanna see proud Haitians go to Miami, the zoe pound haitians do nothing but rep the flag the country all day. They blast haitian music, they have so many restaurants, and when it comes to January 1st (Haitian independence day) or may 18th (flag day) all you see is red, blue, and white.

So yes Haitians are proud, we're proud of our unique culture, our language, and our country--which wont fall-

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In US there is a strong tendency to differentiate yourself. Santana, in the West Indian day parade (that goes down flatbush ave) I see many proud haitian teenagers. It's just that I think in the US "black" kids from the Carribean are oft confused with African-Americans. Also African-American history and struggle is taught in schools while the equally important histroy of black carribenos is not. So I don't know but there seems to be something there. When it comes to Culture I think many american-haitians are proud.

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When it comes to culture, I disagree. To clarify, I should say "many Haitian kids did not care..." I know there are proud, flag-waving, patriotic Haitians out there. I've seen them in the parade myself (back then it would go down Nostrand Avenue) and I've seen a few here and there BUT it is nowhere near the patriotism other people exhibited regularly. Being Haitian was a source of ridicule, as well, so unfortunately this could have contributed to what I saw growing up. My personal experience is that many Haitian-Americans do no exhibit their "Haitianess" as other people exhibit their own cultures.

Let me also point out that US African-Americans do not always embrace Caribbean blacks entirely. They might get confused for one another at plain sight but US Blacks see themselves in a very different (superior) light that Caribbean blacks.
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Why?? Our history is just as rich as yours. Our women just as beautiful. You can't compare anywhere in America to the beauty of the Caribbean islands. Why is it that you find yourself superior when a typical Black man look the same as a Caribbean Black man. Not to mention you steal our hairstyles....dreads and similar hairstyles.

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Wow, now I see how these forums can get all crazy... Never did I make a comparison with my history, women or anything else. I was just relating what I saw growing up in a community with a large Hatian population. Also, I never suggested that this was appropriate, either - Just adding facts as I saw them growing up in Crown Heights.