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#81 - Posted 6 December 2009, 3:57 AM
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i doubt dominicans wouldnt want to be part of that video, idk maybe they just didnt think 2 add the DR flag, not that big of a deal in my opinion. it is kinda weird how they added the PR flag even tho PR has NEVER showed any type of love 2 haiti, oh but the DJ who made the song is puerto rican i guess that explains that one.

Nice to see a haitian that made it represent for his people. the only other person ive seen do that is wyclef. theres enough dominicans, puerto ricans, and cubans in the game in my opinion and this dude got some flow 2, the song came out hot.


First of all allow me to just say, you always have a very optimistic way of looking at things and that is commendable and admirable.

I mean, I do not know who remembers the "Oye Mi Canto" song where much can be said in argument that they did not include the Haitian flag (among others, I am sure) due to reasons that much of Latin-America till this very day still try to exclude Haiti as being one the Latin-American countries or as Latinos which Haiti /Haitians is/are.

Remember Lautaro, Ciba and I have already firmly proved this by known facts or have understood the premises why this is true. Anyway, there is always this need to stigmatize in characterization what categorizes one as Latino with the typical norms of or referring to it as those who are Spanish speaking nations only. Most latinos like to pick and choose who they deem as latino based on flattering stereotypical social aspects which they have in their own minds as to what a Latino/latina is supposed to look like. This is something that even Haitians themselves have come to misrepresent themselves ethnically due to the fact of reversible pride they wanted to show for having being excluded all the time.

Most people nowadays often tend to go into off tangent identity descriptions when defining themselves and misuse or confuse those very words here for one another. Words such as Region, Nationality, Ethnicity, Backgrounds (Roots & Ancestry), and lastly race by assuming that they are all interchangeable or inter-translated regardless now close in similarity their definitions may appear.

Fact: Here is what constitutes one primarily as Latino.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/508379/Romance-languages <-- Read the information from this link here as to why Haitians are also Latinos, however, I say Afro-Latinos much like you have African-American.

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#82 - Posted 6 December 2009, 5:15 AM
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Regardless of the skin hues, complexion or genetic mixtures composure which used to have only one word or category for definition regardless of how many racial components one used to be mixed with the word Mulatto was it. Most of these nations in the Caribbean, Central Latin-Americas are likely considered to be part of the Black race.

Regardless of your mixes through colonial interracial product, if anyone remembers geography well enough they will know that the world is consist of these human races such as: The Black race, the White race, the Red race and the Yellow race. A combination of any of those above only means in term that one is a mulatto again as this term were the only term used to define a mix person regardless if such person skin hue appears darker toward looking more so to the Black race or lighter toward looking more so to the White race. However, throughout history with people wanting to self-identify themselves -- "over time many different racial classifications have come about several scholar inventive words and terminologies to define race existing in numbering anywhere between 6 and several hundred" (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_different_human_races) Again do not be quick to dismiss this due to simply because it says "wiki" in front of it since this is only in reference of quick brain-storming. Be sure to check this (http://www.racematters.org/yigalkahana.htm) - The Definition Of "Race" Matters

None or nevertheless, all these definitions still do not deter nor displace one from the known basic facts of what the races of the world generally are which of course again always are these ones here: The Black race, the White race, the Red race and the Yellow race which simply put, those few terminologies here such as Caucasoid, Mongoloid, AmerIndian - includes all the North and South American groups and Micronesian are more vastly - popularly known to be used by scholars which are the very same definitions for the races namely above - (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090115000421AAlxy4U) again these are simply just more fancy words known for scholars to use that is all.
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#83 - Posted 6 December 2009, 5:34 AM
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I think 95% of us on this board are oppossed for obvious reasons. however for those in favor here is a scenario to consider. if DR and Haiti merged, what would the resulting nation-state look like?


To answer this most on topic question of this thread. I will say, there are several many ways two sovereign nations can "unite" without having to actually be physically "united."

I am not sure if anyone is following what I mean by that, but to reiterate, two very independent nations can "unify" on diplomatic means, commercially and to some point even almost socio-culturally through bilateral efforts to tackle certain issues together which can be on economical, environmental and social levels which does not mean at all that their governance, nationalistically or patriotically are by any means "unified" in the sense we are projecting with fear the definition of "Unification"" on here. Take the xenophobic denotative and connotative stigmas out of the equation per say, ideally this would bring about greater results in terms of solving many plaguing problems on the island.

Facing ills such as for DR, the migratory situation and for Haiti, the ecological situation, this possibility of "unified" prospect could improve greater relations between the two independent Republics which would pave new roads for other greater cohesion(s) on other domains.
Edited on 12/6/2009 5:50 AM by TanBellaMami.
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#84 - Posted 9 December 2009, 7:54 AM
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Wow...TanBellaMami sure can write. i mean damn.
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#85 - Posted 9 December 2009, 9:29 PM
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Well we didn't forget you guys there



Ayisienne yo fem Rélé CHOUCHOUuuu Gwadeloupéyenn fem Rélé CHOUCHOUuuu Dominikennn yo fem Rélé chouchou Fanm Ayisienne fem rélé CHOUCHOUuuu Toutt moun peyim fem rélé CHOUCHOUuuu
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#86 - Posted 9 December 2009, 10:01 PM
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Well we didn't forget you guys there



Ayisienne yo fem Rélé CHOUCHOUuuu Gwadeloupéyenn fem Rélé CHOUCHOUuuu Dominikennn yo fem Rélé Fanm Ayisienne fem rélé CHOUCHOUuuu Toutt moun peyim fem rélé CHOUCHOUuuu

What does that mean?
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#87 - Posted 9 December 2009, 10:23 PM
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they make me scream(Dominican women) it's like when you guys say Ayayay Mamasista !
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they make me scream(Dominican women) it's like when you guys say Ayayay Mamasista !

you just back off an quit scaring our woman okay KUKO? J.K
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Regardless of the skin hues, complexion or genetic mixtures composure which used to have only one word or category for definition regardless of how many racial components one used to be mixed with the word Mulatto was it. Most of these nations in the Caribbean, Central Latin-Americas are likely considered to be part of the Black race.

Regardless of your mixes through colonial interracial product, if anyone remembers geography well enough they will know that the world is consist of these human races such as: The Black race, the White race, the Red race and the Yellow race. A combination of any of those above only means in term that one is a mulatto again as this term were the only term used to define a mix person regardless if such person skin hue appears darker toward looking more so to the Black race or lighter toward looking more so to the White race. However, throughout history with people wanting to self-identify themselves -- "over time many different racial classifications have come about several scholar inventive words and terminologies to define race existing in numbering anywhere between 6 and several hundred" (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_different_human_races) Again do not be quick to dismiss this due to simply because it says "wiki" in front of it since this is only in reference of quick brain-storming. Be sure to check this (http://www.racematters.org/yigalkahana.htm) - The Definition Of "Race" Matters

None or nevertheless, all these definitions still do not deter nor displace one from the known basic facts of what the races of the world generally are which of course again always are these ones here: The Black race, the White race, the Red race and the Yellow race which simply put, those few terminologies here such as Caucasoid, Mongoloid, AmerIndian - includes all the North and South American groups and Micronesian are more vastly - popularly known to be used by scholars which are the very same definitions for the races namely above - (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090115000421AAlxy4U) again these are simply just more fancy words known for scholars to use that is all.

sorry sir you need to quit that you tube afrocentrist mentality right now!!!!!! you can have the basic facts if you would like but if we don't want them then that is up to us....
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#90 - Posted 17 December 2009, 3:00 AM
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So if haitians are latinos, then are Quebecois considered latinos as well?
The way I understand French countries are excluded from the term Latino in America is due to our (hispanics) inability to understand french, even though we struggle to understand portuguese, any spanish speaking person would be able to understand at least 30% of either a Brazilian or an italian song, but when it comes to french for the majority of hispanics its like listening to a russian rock. Here is an example of what I am talking about...(I like this music a lot) and sometimes even with the paroles in hand is hard to follow it. (And I can speak moderate French)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU1MfTr9m_c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDqYa88lU-I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88I-A1l1UjE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1uz9wMDJJg
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