Belly previously said:

With all the presure that French put to their allies like USA, Canada they are still wondering why they still there. They probably hoped by now Haitians would had dissappear from the planet but to me it just proves that they have lost another fight against Haiti because 200 years after they still free. Now days they are starting to see a light with the help of DR and other countries calling for those who talk their talk to now walk the walk if they really want to help is either put up or shut-up. I was surprise to hear Leonel Fernandez the other days saying that a lot of those claiming that what to help Haiti have not done anything but talk trash. I'm not saying that Haiti is a paradise but i have been there almost 13 times and things are not as bad as the pictures you find on the web.

Belly previously said:



French did a good job at keeping people uneducated while they were ruling but history have shown us that once those underdog gain ground France is going to have a big problem because their biggest mistake was to pull out of those places completely and leave them with a real knowledge of the history. See Spaniards did a better job because even though they left they still have a big presence in their ex-colonies and have tried for a long time to sale their killers as heroes which some do believe but most are coming to find out the true about it now that they are growing. Yet most latin countries don't hate spaniards because of that same reason on the other hand every ex-colony of France don't want to hear nothing from them.

Incognito previously said:


NGO my ass. They "gave" you money and take it again.


Haiti got to "walk alone" with out those " FRIEND" countries... The problem is that they are in all our institutions. They have acces to all Shantytowns of the country.. Who knows tomorrow if they will not take the Lagônave Island like they had tooken The Navassa Island. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navassa_Island.

Incognito previously said:



Samething for the ex british colonies. If you look.

ElTorodeCibao previously said:



You mean the United States of America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and India?

Belly previously said:



i doutb US will steal more land from Haiti like the have with the Navassa island that would be too obvious and won't look good around the world. In my opinion Navassa island belongs to Haiti but what is Haiti going to do with it i just don't see the point of figthing for something that will have no use to Haiti. To me U.S.A is keeping this land just in case Puerto Rico becomes a independent country and they just won't have a place to put a military base in the area. Lagonave island will not be taken away well you never know what USA is thinking but i hope not.

Belly previously said:

Let's begin with 1492. Since that year, when it was "discovered," no country in the Caribbean has suffered more pain per capita than Haiti.

In the 15th century, according to Columbus, Haiti was an island paradise. Now it is an ecological disaster. In the 18th century, Haiti was the richest colony in the New World. Now it is the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere.

In the early 1500s, Haiti's indigenous people, the Taino, were rendered extinct. Alien disease took its inevitable toll. But it was the Spanish obsession with gold and Columbus' brutal ways of extracting and extorting what little gold there was that sealed their fate.

Soon thousands of West Africans were imported every year to fill the labor vacuum. Africans, under the lash, were put to work raising indigo and then cane sugar. So savage was the slave regime, at first under the Spanish and then under the French, that a slave's life expectancy upon reaching Haiti was only several years. Slaves didn't live long enough to assimilate "Western civilization." To this day Haiti remains essentially an African country.

In the 1790's, the Afro-Haitians revolted. In 1804, led by the slave Toussaint L'Ouverture, the Africans succeeded in whupping Napolean's army and driving it off the island.

This was the world's first successful slave revolt. Ignored in our history books, it was an accomplishment as significant and as liberating as the French or U.S. revolutions.

Western civilization -- France and the other white colonial slave-holding powers -- has yet to forgive the Afro-Haitians. Like Sandinista Nicaragua and Castro's Cuba, liberating itself was Haiti's original sin. Two centuries later the forces of counter-liberation are still relentlessly applied against it.

For years, few nations would recognize Haiti's independence. The United States, despite the lofty sentiments of its founding documents, did not recognize Haiti until our own slave regime crumbled in the 1860s. France, despite the ideals of its 1789 revolution, would not recognize Haiti until it paid a crushing multi-million dollar indemnity.

In the Catholic theology of my youth, we are all born -- like Haiti -- with original sin. And many of us go on to commit grievous sins of our own. These are called mortal sins. In the last dozen or so years unrepentant Haiti and President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, whom it keeps electing, has committed a number of these. This is why the so-called "international community" -- especially the United States and France -- are determined to keep Haiti in hell.

In Haiti's 1992 presidential election the U.S.-financed candidate, Marc Bazin, was pre-ordained to win. At the last minute, however, a Catholic priest preaching liberation theology entered the race. Father Aristide won the election by a 67 percent landslide.

Within eight months, a U.S.-sponsored coup toppled Aristide. The next time Aristide stood for election -- in 2000 -- he won by an even greater share of the vote. And this was an election internationally certified as fair. Aristide was, and continues to be, the choice of the vast majority of Haiti's people.

But on February 29, 2004, Aristide was again overthrown. The U.S. military abducted Aristide at gunpoint, transporting him to the Central African Republic, one of the most isolated countries on the planet.

Why does the U.S. government hate Aristide so?

For five centuries, the imperial powers have seen Haiti only as a dark, placid pool of super-cheap labor. Upon first becoming president, however, Aristide sought to raise Haiti's miserable minimum wage. A major no-no.

Aristide kept up his offensive behavior. In 1994 when he returned from exile and resumed his presidency, he abolished Haiti's brutish military.

And, finally, consider this brazen deed. During his second term, Aristide sued France for reimbursement of the aforementioned indemnity. Aristide presented France with a bill -- corrected for inflation and with 5 percent interest compounded. The bill, still outstanding, totals $21 billion.

For the time being, President Aristide lives in South Africa. Aristide's party, Lavalas, has once again been forced underground. Even so, it insists there can be no elections in Haiti without the return of its president and the democratic constitutional order he embodies.

Source: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0720-31.htm

Incognito previously said:


Look Jamaica,Trinadad,Dominica,India versus Senegal,Haiti,Congo...

Belly previously said:

With all the presure that French put to their allies like USA, Canada they are still wondering why they still there. They probably hoped by now Haitians would had dissappear from the planet but to me it just proves that they have lost another fight against Haiti because 200 years after they still free. Now days they are starting to see a light with the help of DR and other countries calling for those who talk their talk to now walk the walk if they really want to help is either put up or shut-up. I was surprise to hear Leonel Fernandez the other days saying that a lot of those claiming that what to help Haiti have not done anything but talk trash. I'm not saying that Haiti is a paradise but i have been there almost 13 times and things are not as bad as the pictures you find on the web.

Glimmertwin previously said:


Interesting post and i had forgotten about Titi's ballsy bill to France!

I also find it curious how you'vve been to Haiti 13 times and " things are not as bad as the pictures you find on the web.", but in your visits to Cuba the conditions are 'unbearable' (was that the term you used?). I have been in Haiti only once and what I saw it was saddening!

As with all the people who have visited DR , Bavaro, Punta Cana, etc, they all say how beautiful our country is, and that is not a lie. As we nod in agreement, I always find myself thinking about the problems our own country has.