i don't think he was being serious, since he quote the word "hate" as if he was "impliying if"...

You are probably correct, but regardless of that, you never know with him. Bernard always plays a good clean card game, but every now and then, just when you least expect it, he pulls a card right under his sleeve. Anyway, assuming you are right, I want him clarify the point.

@Guillermone - Why am I not surprised at your reaction?? As always whenever its a conversation or topic like this you for some reason, insist on reading IN to what I say, instead of just reading WHAT I say. Furthermore, you can read EVERY post that I have put on here and not once have I ever said anything like "Dominicans hate Haitians". I am well aware of the animosities (notice?? animosities - implying more than one, or coming from more than one place) between the 2 Countries, however you SHOULD know me well enough to know, that I would not make such a broad, sweeping and erroneous statement, especially without first preceding it with a substantial argument supporting my view.

It's also interesting to me how you use the terms 'us' and 'we' as if you YOU are part of some collective team of people who all agree with EVERYTHING you have said. As if. My opinion my not be the most popular, but it one of the most respectful and reasonable. I don't get into back and forth mud slinging contest (you have). I don't insult people for sheer entertainment and fun (you have). And I don't jump to the defensive every time just because I THINK something is aimed at me and what I believe in (you JUST did).

Now, to get to the business of what I ACTUALLY said. First of all notice it is in the form of a QUESTION. It was NOT even a statement that I made. You just twisted it up to be in your mind so as to satify your innate desire to label me as some clever Afro-Nazi (lol, I laugh everytime I see that word). My point was aimed at the person who STARTED this thread. And my point WAS - The US and France collectively DOES NOT hate Haiti, nor does the Dominican Republic. There are some people in the US, France and Haiti who do hate Haiti, but that does NOT by all means achieve a collective mass of opinion concerning those Countries. There is just as much hate in one place as there is in another.

YOU took it as a low blow, because you think I have some hidden agenda.

Sorry about my paranoia, You explanation is accepted and well taken. I apologize and you may proceed.

France hates haiti because the slaves kicked their @ss, there is nothing more to understand...

It was their richest colony :

- Sugar
- Coffee
- Indigo

France was 1st world producer in sugar, the slaves revolution (started in 1791) destroyed that monopoly ( Cuba and Brazil took advantage of this situation and took the lead)

Haiti was the richest colony of the West indies and then ENVY helped the slaves revolution :

- USA
- ENGLAND
- SPANISH

All of them helped the slaves revolution (Weapons, Ammunitions) in Haiti. The spanish in la Hispaniola helped so much the slaves that they were among of their Army ( Toussaint, Jean francois, Biassou were all spanish soldiers ...)

Vasquez the spanish priest of Dajabon killed many French (along with spanish army and black rebels ex-slaves)

The island of HAITI (AYITI) belonged to the spanish from 1492 to 1697...Spanish were also on the westen side of the island...And the first slaves were imported by the spanish not by the french...

But French (the western world as well) had to take their revenge :

- They were defeated on the battle by slaves ( the Yellow fever has been overestimated see the recent book from Julius Scott and laurent Dubois " Origins of Black Atlantic)

http://www.amazon.com/Origins-Black-Atlantic-Rewriting-Histories/dp/0415994462/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_4

- In Avengers of the new world he tells how the French fled in the Battlefield sometimes pursued by the dogs which they imported to eat the black slaves ( the sames dogs, spanish used to exterminate the Tainos..)

http://www.amazon.com/Avengers-New-World-Haitian-Revolution/dp/0674018265/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_1

English (Jamaica) , Americans (in their own land) , Spanish (Cuba, Puerto Rico, Santo Domingo) who also had a slave population could not let the following happen :

- Indenpendent black and powerful Republic (ex-slave)

The Haitian revolution cause a huge fear in the slaveowners 'hearts' in Cuba, US, Puerto rico...

In PR (being more colored : mulattoes and blacks than white) and CUBA started to 'import' more white folks from europe in order to be ready to fight if such situation ( huge slave rebellion) came to happen in their territories...

And they had to be worry because in PR , Santo Domingo (Boca Nigua rebellion) , US ( Nate Turner , Denmark vesey) there were many slave revolts :

Puerto Rico Slave revolts

http://www.amazon.com/Esclavos-Rebeldes-Conspiraciones-sublevaciones-1795-1873/dp/0940238071/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1308658919&sr=1-1

see also José Antonio saco about the 1st slave revolt in Puerto rico in 1527 when Tainos and Africans joined to kill the spanish oppressors

http://www.amazon.com/Historia-Esclavitud-Africana-Especial-Am%C3%A9rico-Hispanos/dp/1144064082/ref=sr_1_21?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1308659682&sr=1-21


Santo Domingo

http://www.dominicanbookshop.com/Los_Guerrilleros_Negros_Esclavos_Fugitivos_y_Cima_p/7467246560362.htm

Carlos Esteban deive shows all evidences regarding a spanish help (from santo domingo) to the haitian slaves

And Gaspard Theodore Mollien will explain you how vasquez and the spanish army in Santo Domingo ( along with their Haitian unit) killed many french civilians

http://www.amazon.fr/Ha%C3%AFti-ou-Saint-Domingue-Gaspard-Th%C3%A9odore-Mollien/dp/2296010776/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1308661884&sr=1-4

See also José Antonio saco for the 1st slave revolt in La hispaniola in 1522

http://www.amazon.com/Historia-Esclavitud-Africana-Especial-Am%C3%A9rico-Hispanos/dp/1144064082/ref=sr_1_21?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1308659682&sr=1-21


USA slave revolts

http://www.amazon.com/American-Negro-Revolts-Herbert-Aptheker/dp/0717806057/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1308659364&sr=1-1

Herbert Aptheker will explain you why English and Americans helped the haitian slaves against the French...

I was born and raised in France, the Haitian revolution and 1804 are not taught in schools :

- They' re ashamed about slavery
- They're asahmaed about what haitians rebels did to their army
- They're ashamed to acknowledge that France'es wealth was built upon slavery like England, USA, Spain and Portugal...The last 2 ones being almost 1/3 world countries...

Did France to the best things concerning Haiti in the past? No, however one has to realize that many of the things that happened were simply a result of the time period the world was in. It was a time when many Nations were racing to advance and colonization and slavery became one of the main ways of doing so. Not too many people sat down and thought, "hmmm, you know...perhaps we should think about the consequences this will have upon the future generations". Just like today, they thought more about the HERE and NOW, and so today we have the aftermath of those ill-fated decisions. Haiti is simply emblematic of the horrible things that can happen when people try to advance at the cost of human life, justice and respect.

It was greed, greed and greed ....

Not ALL European nations participated on that slave trade, but French in haiti were criminals like the nazis (nothing more nothing less) .

And slavery didn't stop on that age. Europe and specially Germany during WWII was a huge slave plantation :

- The difference was based on the products ( weapons, or army industry) required from the slave labor

More than 8 millions Europeans ( Polish, Russians, french) were slaves in Germany and Fritz Sauckel the brain of this slavery was called by french " Le négrier de l'Europe".

This is why nazis are devils in modern history books : they enslaved millions of their fellows europeans brothers...Fritz Sauckel was comdemned to death...

For Hitler , slaves ( polish, russians, etc) should be slaves (sense of slavery, the word which was created upon their secular non-free status) like in the old times ( Antiquity, Middle Age..)

In that book you can find why I call french nazis :

- Blowing up a slave after fiilling him with powder
- Tortures
- Humiliations
- Rapes ( including child, men and women)
- Killing

http://www.amazon.com/Saint-domingue-Soci%C3%A9t%C3%A9-Cr%C3%A9oles-Lancien-1629-1789/dp/1173282807/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1308834116&sr=1-3

Carlos Esteban Deive in the book I cited in my post above, will describe you also some French specialities...

They did the same things in my country in Africa during colonization...But they cry in their history books because germans did the same to them...

I would say the U.S., France and all the other imperialists hate and fear the Haitian People. We defeated Napoleon's army, one of the greatest armies of its time in the First and only Successful Slave Revolution in History. We overthrew the slave system in Haiti and caused its eventual demise and abolition worldwide. 30,000 American slaves escaped to Haiti and gain their freedom and acquired Haitian citizenship. France lost Louisiana by selling it for 15,000 dollars to the U.S.; France also lost its dreams of expanding throughout the Americas in the Western Hemisphere. They want to make us pay for this dearly. To reverse what they've done and continue to do to Haiti and Haitians will require a well-disciplined effort on the part of Progressive Haitians and Progressives worldwide.