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#21 - Posted 18 February 2010, 8:57 PM
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why does blacks owe anything to haiti. haiti have to paddle their own boat who gives a shit
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#22 - Posted 18 February 2010, 8:59 PM
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anyway belly when they start risking their lives in sloops to go to chavez land then i will say things are bad.
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#23 - Posted 18 February 2010, 9:23 PM
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GDP PER CAPITA $23000 FOR TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO. SO WHICH IS THE RICHEST IN THE CARIBBEAN CHECK THE CIA WORLD FACTBOOK. THE STATS FOR 2009 TRINIDAD EXPORTED OVER 10 BILLION DOLLARS IN GOODS WHILE DR EXPORTED 5.3 BILLION. WE ONLY HAVE A POPULATION OF 1.2 MILLION DO THE MATHS WHICH ECONOMY IS MORE PROSPEROUS. 17 PERCENT OF TRINIS LEAVE BELOW THE POVERTY LINE WHILE 42 PERCENT OF DOMINICANS DO SAME. OUR UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS 7.5 PERCENT, WHILE YOURS IS 15 PERCENT. WE HAVE OVER 8 BILLION IN RESERVES. I LOVE THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC BUT I THINK THE TRINI GOVERNMENT IS DOING A BETTER JOB. LOOK UP STATS AND DONT TALK FROM THE CRACK OF YOUR ASS.
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#24 - Posted 18 February 2010, 9:28 PM
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Belly my friend either you live in the most generous (or least white) city in the USA or you are being gullible if you think 90% of white people around you contributed to Haiti!

As to this article I found it contained a lot of humor.

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You see, for far too long black countries have been insolent to the point of being abusive
-Loose Cannon

Oh the injustice!


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I am sick and tired of big words ....
- Loose Cannon

This is indicative of the level of thought Mr. Cannon brought to the page when he wrote this.

Those with the most to give should give the most. This is a painfully obvious moral principle even if to non-Christians. I don't think many nations on the African continent can spare airplanes, doctors, necessary supplies or even currency. Meanwhile it is as clear as day that the nations of Europe stand at the top of the economic food chain in the modern era. One would hope they find it in their hearts, and deep wallets, to give in emergency situations. Besides these Europeans nations do have a hand in the mess. In Haiti and our side of the world it is true this was hundreds of years ago. Maybe that means their responsibility here is 'a dust mite' as Mira claims. But when it comes to the economic condition of modern African countries, we are talking about history in the last half a century. Those big words Mr. Cannon is tired of hearing are contemporary histoty. And I would guess 90% of the time you hear those big words coming from an Ivory tower white lefty, not African leaders.

I think Loose Cannon suffers from seeing the world through the lens of black and white. And Belly when you express the sentiment 'if black as a race wants more respect worldwide' you sound like you are on his same wavelength. Just like Dominicans are a nationality, the African continent is filled with nationalities. And so is Asia. I say let each nation represent itself, and help where it can and who it can. Loose Cannon is dealing Blutarsky's proverbial slimy race card off the bottom of the deck to suggest the nations of the African continent are responsible for Haiti's mess, or are represented by the Haitian condition.
Edited on 2/18/2010 9:29 PM by Manhattanite.
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#25 - Posted 18 February 2010, 9:49 PM
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Anyway belly when they start risking their lives in sloops to go to chavez land then i will say things are bad.


A picture provided to someone from EVH after I went on a tirade which my message did not get across as I intended until I see this below:



Dealing with this has affected many differently...

I suppose not bad enough?
Edited on 2/18/2010 9:53 PM by AfroLatinoMas.
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#26 - Posted 18 February 2010, 10:02 PM
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Quote:
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Anyway belly when they start risking their lives in sloops to go to chavez land then i will say things are bad.


A picture provided to someone from EVH after I went on a tirade which my message did not get across as I intended until I see this below:



Dealing with this has affected many differently...

I suppose not bad enough?

And I still have to ask myself that same question, why are people still acting so heartless?? Every I am reading reports of people trying to smuggle minors across the border and of the countless endentured servant children in Haiti suffering all kinds of ills. Wake your people up man!!!!!
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#27 - Posted 18 February 2010, 10:40 PM
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When the Haitian tragedy first struck there were many calls over the radio in DR for blood donations, and guess what, more than 1,000 Dominicans lined up to donate need blood for Haiti, the first couple of days.
In DR we have an estimated Haitian population of 1 million Haitians, and what was surprising to me how few of them, if any at all, volunteered to donate blood for their own kind.
Edited on 2/18/2010 10:40 PM by generoso.
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#28 - Posted 18 February 2010, 11:39 PM
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bull shit its the white man who took the savages to the island so they have to take care of their mistake and i did not hear any black country calling for the white man to leave, apart from venezuela and bolivia talking trash as usual. the french brought the africans to the island so its their responsibility to take care of them.


It is this precise attitude, lack of accountability that leaves us precisely where we are: poor and unable to fend for ourselves. Not to mention the highly corrupt governments and/or military dictatorships.

We could go on making excuses till proverbial cows come home; however, look no further than reflection in mirror for blame. Excuses won't do, and it's high time we place blame precisely where it should be: ourselves!

How many generations and centuries must pass before we stop blaming the Europeans for our predicament.

Are they somehow responsible for our lack of initiative, hard work, educational commitment; our predilection for dancing, loose women, nice clothes, bachata and yipetas we clearly cannot afford?

Look, small countries such as Singapore and Luxembourg are doing very well, so size is not the issue. The Bahamas aren't doing too badly , either.

No matter how we might slice it or spin it, black countries as a whole are not doing very well or operating at their full potential. They aren't doing well in Africa, and they are certainly not doing well here. Why? Yes, that is the question of the moment. There must be an underlying reason and we just haven't figured it out; however, we must. Stop blaming the white Europeans-they have been gone many decades. Again, look in the mirror. That is clearly where the answer lies.

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#29 - Posted 18 February 2010, 11:50 PM
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my friend u seems to be a brilliant fellow but in the world today some countries will always be poor just like people within countries. haiti problems started with the rebellion for independence, then the leaders who took over never sought to educate their people and give them a culture, then payment to france for independence, lack of recognation by america and the rest of the world of a black republic, then voodo. my country trinidad 40 percent black, 40 percent east indian and 20 percent mix we are runed by a black government but we dont depend on the white man for aid, we are quite capable of taking care of ourselves. as a matter of fact we are the richest countryin the caribbean sea.


Personally I have been to Trinidad and your next door neighbor Barbados and both are doing one by virtue of the petroleum and the other by virtue of education but both are tiny countries that should not have as much problems as they do today.Remember Haiti is almost 10 times the size of Trinidad in population and it doesn't have all the natural resource that you do have and even with all that in mind the net migration of people leaving Trinidad is almost 3 times that of Haiti itself which speaks volumes as to why do people leave if they are living in the richest country in the Caribbean sea as you said.Who owns most of the refineries there and most the large business.



Belly,

I've been to Saint Marteen and they seem to be doing OK, but maybe that's unfair as they are part of EU.

One thing, however, I really don't believe DR, with its ingrained corruption, would be doing much better if it had all the oil that T & T have or even Venezuela's. Look, oil and gas has not exactly been a blessing in places such as Venezuela or Nigeria and others.

Overall, I suspect that countries which were once part of the British empire have fared much better than those previously colonized by either Spain or France. Maybe they instilled better morality and integrity. That's my observation and it might not be correct, but it certainly seems that way.

MJEV.
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#30 - Posted 19 February 2010, 12:07 AM
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nigeria was a british colony and look at shit i beleive africa is a cursed continent
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