Wow, @Dreadlocks I am so impressed with that statement of yours !!!

I thought that when @Pepe was referring to "WE", he was making an equation to both of us (Haitian and Dominican) having issues toward each other. It seems to be a hidden fact to You that for "SOME not ALL" Haitians "Dominican Are" Whores and Thieves, Lazy Persons which nobody want to be associated with . Might I be Wrong ? ...

Or Is it You trying to make a (subjective) point ? about a factually and objectively stated Statement ??
I don't take it personally but I have not other choice to take it !!!

So, please be very carefully while pointing finger, now I think You owe us an apology, Don't You ?

the point i was trying to make, Pepe, is that ongoing hatred of haitians is going to solve nothing in the present situation in which the DR finds itself. it is pitiful to read this forum and watch people write all manner of comments about haitians being smelly, ugly, hairy, eating mud, degenerate, and all the other wonderful remarks which would have caused outrage among dominicans, had someone said it about them. that aside, can you tell me how all of this alleviates the issue of the day? or are you unaware of what i write continually in this site, the fact that in 50 years you will have no country? do you realize this? are you awake, and alert? does it affect your stream of consciousness? yes, Pepe, in 50 years, this country will be something that is used in board games, like trivial pursuit. sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but it is going down the tubes, if something is not done. so, for all of you flag wavers, who get so incensed when someone criticizes an aspect of dominican life, you can do exactly what you are doing today, which is NOTHING. yes, stay in front of the keyboard, and invent straw men, and trash dreadlocks. guess what? i will not be here in 50 years, but my lineage will have a country. yours will not.and why, you ask? FOCUS! instead of trying to get a movement together to FORCE your government to save your country, you are trading insults with strangers on a website. you believe that helps further your cause? sorry, Pepe, but , in this, it is you who are going to lose. the people you seek to trash will have a country. the haitians will be your landlord. now go think about that!

Dread ,you asked a question and I responded .The question was about the CAUSE of this animosity and in some cases hatred.Now you are talking about another issue which is the present time.
To quickly summarise ,I agree with what you just wrote .We will not have a country in 50 years or less and the main culprits are the Dominican government and elites who like most elites everywhere have no love for any country .Their love is only for gold and they would sell their own mother for a bag of coins.
These people in conjunction with international groups that want to rid themselves of the "Haitian problem" will eventually leave us without a country and all that our forefathers struggled and died for will have been in vain!
I do not sit idly by while this is happening ,and the party I am active in would not allow this to happen but being realistic (perhaps fatalistic ) I don't see this trend reversed unless something radical happens .You have touched on the reason for alot of the anger from people who wouldn't normally react in such a way...it is the feeling of helplessness while we see our nation slip from our hands into the hands of our most consistent (not the only) enemy ,so while you may see it as an issue of civil rights ,for us it is about national survival or annihilation and like anyone when cornered we may react in unpredictable ways.

This in no way cleanses the reality of Haitians nor their actions towards us and only a nationalistic leader like Balaguer can save us at this point because Leonel is beholden to his own political future and the economic interests of the rich and his policies border on the edge of treason.
Finally the path you described is well on the way but we may yet have some surprises although if I were a betting man (which I am not) I would say the odds are not in our favour especially with Leonel in power

PS ,the Haitians will not be my landlord nor of most Dominicans because if they take over DR would quickly go down the drain.The forests would be depleted ,the infrastructure would collapse and the trickle to PR would become a tidal wave .Anyone who could leave easily would leave creating the same talent drain that occurred in Haiti leaving only the most backwards elements in the island.

I am a US citizen and I qualify for EU citizenship so I have somewhere to go unlike the poor who will be stuck there or be forced to "swim" to PR.

Dread also is a US citizen and also holds Jamaican citizenship but will have to give one up when he takes out Dominican citizenship ... ...He will not tell me which one he plans to give up

now, does that not feel better than trading insults? your people do not see what is going on. they fail to realise that just like how movements like La Raza believe that the southern states are still a part of mexico, some haitians believe that the DR is a part of one big country called ayiti, or whatever. that is a dangerous position to be espoused by people who have very little to lose, and a hell of a lot to gain. you and your people got sold down the river by your political leaders. the DR came into the tourism game a little late in the day, when globalization had already begun to take hold. hotels had to be built on the cheap, or the spaniards would have taken their money to the pacific and caribbean coastline of central america. so, your political leaders made a pact with the devil, to allow unfettered movement of haitians into the country, to make the structures on the cheap...the race to the bottom. then, the general public said...if haitians are building hotels with cheap labor, maybe they can build my house, too. so, dominicans have no place in the laborer class anymore. the haitians are bringing in cheap clothes out of dajabon, and used shoes, which the poor can afford. they are walking around seeling frozen ices in the noonday sun, for pennies, because dominican businessmen do not want to pay a dominican a decent quincennal to push a cart around in 90 degree heat. it is all economics, the race to the bottom. the dominican businessmen fired the starting pistol, and now the countryis in a world of hurt. so, all you dominicans, stay at your computers and trash the dreaded one. it is your kids who will be asking Jean Pierre if his apartment is up for rent.

Pepe, if you followed the thread about the recent goings on in jamaica, two things stand out in stark relief. one is the presence of haitian mercenaries who participated in the warfare. the second is that a lot of the high powered firearms were brought in from haiti. now, i ask you, if these guys can get to jamaica, which is not a contiguous territory, what is to stop guys with a quasi military disposition from getting here? not to mention the tools of war they brought with them? i am a little weary of blusterous talk of kicking the haitians in the ass if they ever decided to start anything. how many of you have ever seen 100 armed guys busting off rounds, at the same time? how does an army deal with sporadic raiding, where guys hit a location, do their damage, and split before the army intelligence can triangulate them? this issue transcends everything. it is THE issue which defines what this country will be, or not be, in a half century. somebody better get down to giving serious thought to a remedy, because tempus fugit. we know that the current crop of politicos will never touch it, because somebody is making money, and, by extension and connection, so are they. you alll better go start a nationalist party.

Dredus would have us believe that it was now the Haitians who started all the trouble in Jamaica Only last week you were blaming it on the Honky Crackers in the CIA from the evil empire Correct me if I am wrong Dredus