| #1 - Posted 8 January 2011, 4:27 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 511 Posts: 678 | Real Talk: Haitians and Dual Citizenship ... why not? This is something that many Haitians in the diaspora as well as in the homeland have continually questioned. Seriously is it that they believe it is more profitable to the government for Haitians (especially those born there) to go through the citizenship process all over again (not that there was really a process in the first place if you were born there)? What is it... the fees for their immigration processing? How does that help the country? Is that some form of cry for help? If you stay that's great but if you go you can't have the same allowances that you really should have and that may mean you can't help the country? Well these are thoughts that many have had on this topic not just Haitians. Some Haitians will argue that they can still work around this though and many have. So is it a real issue? Can it really benefit the country if dual citizenship is allowed? I've heard that there are those within the country who don't even have the opportunity to register children when they are born (IN HAITI)? These were questions I would hope that were raised during the election. But can it matter? Is that why many of the people and the government don't care? Whadda' ya' think? Edited on 1/8/2011 5:10 PM by talia. Dios le bendiga! “Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love, and then, for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.” Pierre Teilhard de Chardin |
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| #2 - Posted 8 January 2011, 4:49 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 511 Posts: 678 | RE: Real Talk: Haitians and Dual Citizenship Now, I found this info. Haiti: Procedure to obtain a birth certificate In 8 November 2007 correspondence with the Research Directorate, a representative from the Embassy of Canada in Port-au-Prince provided the following information about the procedure for obtaining a birth certificate: [translation] The certificat de naissance (birth registration document) is issued by the hospital where the child was born and is not used for identification without the validation of the acte de naissance. The acte de naissance (birth certificate) is issued by the various local registry offices (bureaux locaux d'état civil) when the applicant appears before the registry officer and provides a certificat de naissance, a piece of identification and a marriage certificate (if the parents are married), and a statement. The applicant can be either the father or mother or both. The acte de naissance is registered by the registry officer in writing. The acte de naissance states that the child is legitimate if he or she is born in wedlock, and natural (enfant naturel) if not. When the child is not born in a hospital, the acte de naissance is obtained by having one or both of the parents as well as two witnesses make a statement before the registry officer. The statement is made by a third party when a parent authorizes another person to appear before the registry officer. Only the mother of a child whose father is unknown or fails to acknowledge paternity may assume the role of parent with respect to the procedures described above. The Haitian National Archives [Archives Nationales] is the only institution that holds the vital statistics records for all Haitian nationals and, upon request, provides extraits (official copies or summaries) of vital statistics records, including extraits of the acte de naissance, to those who request it. Each local registry office sends the records to the Ministry of Justice annually, which verifies them and affixes a seal before transferring them to the National Archives; in this way, theoretically, each acte de naissance can be validated for authenticity. A copy of the record is also kept at the local registry office or at the Civil Court Clerk's Office (Bureau du greffe du Tribunal civil). In reality, the legislative requirements are not always complied with since there are no checks to confirm that information is completed thoroughly and entered and that the books are sent. ********A large number of Haitian nationals do not have an acte de naissance because of inadequate economic and social infrastructures, and for other reasons related to local practices and uses.******** The notion of late record of birth was introduced by a five-year decree on 14 November 1988, followed by a second one on 16 May 1995 and a third on 1 February 2002, enabling citizens without a record of birth to acquire one, free of charge. Anyone can appear before a registry officer and submit a negative extrait (extrait négatif) from National Archives, confirming that no previous acte de naissance exists, to declare a birth that occurred several years earlier. The record is said to be late when it is initiated more than two years after the birth. The submission of a negative extrait from the National Archives for a late record is another legislative requirement that is not always respected; an acte de naissance issued under such circumstances does not constitute confirmation of identity for the purpose of immigration. Identity can be established through cross-referencing other documents from independent and verifiable sources, such as a baptismal certificate. Furthermore, the president of the Insurance Association of Haiti [Association des assurances d'Haïti], Fritz Decatalogne, stated in an April 2004 article that [translation] "only 40 percent of the population possesses an acte de naissance" (Haiti Press Network 8 Apr. 2004). The US Department of State Reciprocity Schedule provides the following information about birth certificates: Births can be registered by either the father or the mother. If the child is born out of wedlock and is registered by the mother, the father is not specified and the child is registered with the surname of the mother. Extraits can be obtained from the National Archives ... . There may be a fee for this service. If no record exists or cannot be found, the National Archives can prepare an extrait stating that the birth record could not be located and including the text of a baptismal certificate. These negative extraits are considered unreliable as proof of relationship. There may be a fee for this service. (25 Aug. 2005) This Response was prepared after researching publicly accessible information currently available to the Research Directorate within time constraints. This Response is not, and does not purport to be, conclusive as to the merit of any particular claim for refugee protection. Please find below the list of additional sources consulted in researching this Information Request. References Canada. 8 November 2007. Embassy of Canada in Haiti. Correspondence sent by a representative. Haiti Press Network. 8 April 2004. "Haiti : à peine 40% de la population détient un acte de naissance." <http://www.haitipressnetwork.com/newsprint.cfm?articleID=4708> [Accessed 2 Nov. 2007] United States (US). 25 August 2005. Department of State. "Haiti: Reciprocity Schedule." <http://travel.state.gov/visa/reciprocity/Country%20Folder/H/Haiti.htm> [Accessed 8 Nov. 2007] Additional Sources Consulted Internet sources, including: Alter-Presse, Consulat général de la république d'Haïti à Montréal, Embassy of the Republic of Haiti in Washington, DC, Radio Metropole Haïti. Edited on 1/8/2011 4:54 PM by talia. Dios le bendiga! “Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love, and then, for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.” Pierre Teilhard de Chardin |
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| #3 - Posted 8 January 2011, 4:49 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: January 2011 Member #: 6646 Posts: 1028 | RE: Real Talk: Haitians and Dual Citizenship Are you referring to Dual-Citizenship with Haiti and the Dominican Republic?? I could not deduce exactly what you meant. Good question nevertheless. |
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| #4 - Posted 8 January 2011, 4:52 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 511 Posts: 678 | RE: Real Talk: Haitians and Dual Citizenship HAITI and any country on the planet and thanks. And if they are born in Haiti "everlasting" citizenship should be established first (simply through the first parent's birth certificate or the individual born there themselves) and carried within future familial generations no matter where Haitian descendants, emigrates, or ex-pats are in the world (and recognized in all countries around the world for Haitian immigrants). This would probably help with the confusion in the DR. Just because your parents gave birth to you in DR/US, you should still be recognized as Haitian in Haiti- through the right of the blood. Jus sanguinis (Latin: right of blood) is a social policy by which citizenship is not determined by place of birth, but by having a parent(s) who are citizens of the nation. It contrasts with jus soli (Latin for 'right of soil'). Is that so perplexing? Edited on 1/10/2011 10:52 PM by talia. Dios le bendiga! “Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love, and then, for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.” Pierre Teilhard de Chardin |
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| #5 - Posted 12 January 2011, 8:41 AM | |
Location: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito" Join date: March 2009 Member #: 2380 Posts: 5015 | RE: Real Talk: Haitians and Dual Citizenship Quote: BernardJeanPierre previously said: Are you referring to Dual-Citizenship with Haiti and the Dominican Republic?? I could not deduce exactly what you meant. Good question nevertheless. You are so predictable and easy to figure out. Anyone with a brain would know she was talking about any country. The typical nimwit you are always seeking to cause strife with your DominicoHaitian talk. Your nothing but a liar by mentioning..........."I could not deduce exactly what you meant". Btw how is Mami tan Bella doing? JAJAJAJAJAJA Edited on 1/12/2011 9:59 AM by mirabal4ever. Conocer al cojo sentao! Las Aguilas son Las Aguilas!!!!!!!! |
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| #6 - Posted 14 January 2011, 8:44 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 511 Posts: 678 | RE: Real Talk: Haitians and Dual Citizenship Bumping because right now there's a thread at the top of the "Haiti" index that was obviously posted with ill intentions. I think people get younger as they get older. QUE TRISTE Edited on 1/14/2011 8:44 PM by talia. Dios le bendiga! “Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love, and then, for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.” Pierre Teilhard de Chardin |
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| #7 - Posted 14 January 2011, 9:04 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 511 Posts: 678 | RE: Real Talk: Haitians and Dual Citizenship Apparently this issue is also waiting on the election. Dios le bendiga! “Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love, and then, for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.” Pierre Teilhard de Chardin |
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