guillermone previously said:



That is a Freudian slip.................if I have ever seen one, plain and simple.

BernardJeanPierre previously said:



@Guillermone - I see how eager you were to run in with your 'whoaaa!!! see I told you! he is anti-dominican!' lol. You are right my little friend, human behavior IS very predictable. You based your entire critical discourse off of an implication brought forth by Judeo that turned out not to be applicable - since that was NOT what I was saying anyway. Retract a statement?? lol Again, READ what I said and cease trying to read INTO what I say so you can draw conclusions. DID I EVER SAY - "its ok that Haitians commit these crimes because they are trying to survive???" NO. Not in any way, shape, form or fashion. Nor did I even imply it, because (and pay attention to this part) the topic WE were talking about was FEAR related to being OUTNUMBERED. So contextually speaking, for me to jump from that to 'why its ok to commit crimes' would make NO SENSE. As you and I both know, I am very capable of expressing myself, and under no circumstance would I make such an OBVIOUS change in topics without the proper transition. However, it WOULD make PERFECT sense for me to support my argument by explaining why I think such fear is usually not warranted because THAT makes sense considering the context, and I supported THAT by mentioning what the majority of their crimes represent. So to base your 'I caught ya!' thesis on a incidentally engendered implication, makes you look less reasonable than even I give you credit for being. If I wanted to somehow justify Haitian crimes against Dominicans there is a Million and one ways I could have went about it. But there is no justification for any crime, be them Haitian or Dominican. My point was, again - the majority of crimes committed by Haitians are more so related to them trying to survive and do NOT reflect some hidden agenda to stage an usurpation of Dominican sovereignty. Clear enough??

THATS what I said. So if you want put words in my mouth, or jump on a Golden opportunity to 'prove' to yourself and others that I have some kinda of secret anti-dominican agenda, knock yourself out, again I could care less. But keep one thing in mind, while you go around sneaking around corners trying to 'observe' me, I have ALREADY seen the biased racial remarks come out of YOUR mouth http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/forum/living-in-the-dr/general-info/1/Reasons-why-Dominican-women-are-so-beautiful/69. So at the very least, YOU are playing catch up. YOU are still looking for clues to convict, while I am paying visits to you in Prison. I NEVER cared enough to go around trying to prove who or what you were, after reading a very few of your posts I already came to a conclusion, and SURE ENOUGH you proved that my conclusion was correct without me even having to look for it. If you want to carry out some internet investigation to prove to yourself and your peers who I 'really' am, who am I to stop you? Carry on. But in the meantime I would suggest that you are more careful about what YOU say, otherwise you might find yourself trying to accuse me of something you are already guilty of. See ya around town.

mandoafrika54 previously said:



In nature, being outnumbered does become an imminent threat. A large enough pack of hyenas can decimate a pride of lions. If that pack grows even larger than they will become big enough to force the lions to vacate their own turf. If Haitians were in Africa doing what they are doing in the DR...there would be genocide. When it comes to power in a multi-ethnic or multi-cultural society...it comes down to majority influence. He who has the most influence has the most power to affect the rules.The larger and larger an illegal population of people whom are the bottom society grows the more of a locust effect it has on the host nation...like parasites taking over a whole body. The DR is like a drowning man (who can swim) with another man (who can't swim) grabbing onto him. Both men will end up drowning in the water.

BernardJeanPierre previously said:



Ok, lets gets something straight, I at NO POINT said it was OK to Rob and Steal, nor did I make any attempt to justify it. MY point was that the overall crimes committed do not reflect some overall intent to 'take over'. That was my point. I never said they had a 'right' to steal or rob. Furthermore, the Haitians that are emigrating do NOT come exclusively with the mind set, "oh I'll have to shoot, steal and kill to survive....fine with me", that is NOT the case because you and I both know that one of the MAIN complaints about Haitians is that they BEG IN THE STREETS. The vast majority of Haitian crimes are again reflective of their plight and intent, which is not to 'take over' or 'overthrow' Dominican Society.

Haitians automatically feel like they have to defend themselves, and as a result are probably more likely to behave aggressively, and Dominicans automatically feel like JUST about to be attacked, and as a result more prone to emotionally charged actions.

BernardJeanPierre previously said:


@mandoafrika54 - Some reasonable points made. In nature, yes being outnumbered can spell disaster, I see your point. But, this is not Nature, so that could only apply on principle and that principle is not supported undeniably in Nature because ONE Anteater can devastate an Ant bed housing thousands of Ants. A few Dolphins can decimate a School of Hundreds of Fish. etc etc etc. So, sometimes that IS applicable, but it is by no means a universal principle. As I will attempt to bring out, it has more to do with Power and Control. (On a side note, Hyenas are scavengers, Lions are hunters. Think about it.)

If Haitians were in Africa doing 'what they are doing', you would have an ENTIRELY different set of circumstances. Why are they there? How did they get there? What Country are they 'invading'? Questions like that have to be answered to give some context, before any conclusion can be reached. I can see your point about the majority shaping the influence however. And yes that is correct. However, having the majority people does NOT always mean that they will be represented in the Government, and that is perhaps is the most significant thing - Political Representation. Take Haiti ITSELF as a good example. You have had the majority Black people struggling with the smaller but generally 'Whiter' minority. If having the majority in population was ALL that matters, there would be no struggle, but yet there has ALWAYS been a struggle because its about who is ruling and making the decisions at the time. Or take the United States for an example. Out of 44 Presidents, there is now one that is considered to be Black (part Black, mixed, whatever works), although there has always been a considerable population of Black people. Perhaps not the 'majority' but the point is, numbers do NOT always automatically imply the onset of 'control'. So Haitians WILL have an affect on things in the Dominican Republic, but the affect will be based more on space, food, infrastructure first, the very last thing it will affect is the stability and permanency of Dominican Sovereignty, because 1) the likelihood of Haitians trying to 'take over' is very minute if not just simply non-existent and 2) numbers do NOT always mean Power and Control. Other factors have to come together before that can happen, and those factors are simply not present in the Dominican-Haitian situation.

Judeo previously said:



Sorry Jean but that is certainly what you implied. Your original words say it all. You may have been trying to make your point that not all Haitians are represented by criminals, but in making that point you also state that the crimes being perpetrated are "not that serious". You are going completely out of your way to downplay the problem. These are your own words:




What kind of explanation is that? How is this not excusing the irresponsibly on the part of Haitian bad apples? People who feel they need to defend themselves act defensively NOT aggresively. The Dominicans who you admit feel like they are being attacked, you describe as taking the "emotionally charged actions" when in reality they are the ones feeling defensive, and with reason since they are the hosts and many times the Haitians the ungracious guests. Also their lack of desire to "take over" doesn't mean that won't happen, especially if Haitians just keep coming in. Jean your logic here is completely twisted.

guillermone previously said:



THAT IS SUCH BULL CRAP !!!!!!!!!!!!! Pierre you are delusional. Haiti has been a threat to our nation since the birth of the Republic. Where the hell do you come up with such nonsense

Our founding fathers warned us of an imminenet Haitian threat. Dude, there is a passive invasion of Haitians to the Dominican Republic and you expect us to just stand there and LOOK.............

For crying out loud if you are not a troll, then I was born yesterday