| #1 - Posted 30 August 2011, 6:38 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: February 2008 Member #: 360 Posts: 2744 | Wikileaks Bahamas documents: The Christie administration offered to send Bahamian troops to Haiti Those "racist" Bahamians are at it again!! THE Christie administration offered to send Bahamian troops to help quell a violent rebellion in Haiti and discussed the possibility of making Fred Mitchell joint leader of that country, newly released Wikileaks documents claim. According to confidential cables sent by US Embassy officials in Nassau at the height of the crisis in early 2004, if diplomacy failed to contain the crisis the Bahamas government felt military assistance would be necessary and was willing to commit "perhaps as many as 100" troops to a multilateral force - whether or not it was led by the United Nations. The documents also claim then Foreign Affairs minister Fred Mitchell was close to being named one of a threesome of "wise men" to be charged with overseeing that country's affairs. The three cables, sent by US Embassy officials in 2003 and 2004, detail the Christie administration's response to the rapidly developing crisis as understood by embassy staff. They claim Mr Mitchell and former prime minister Perry Christie were very concerned about the violence - particularly in terms of what it would mean for Haitian migration to the Bahamas. One cable quotes former Foreign Affairs permanent secretary Melanie Zonicle as saying that in Mr Mitchell's view, while the preferred mechanism for dealing with Haiti was the UN, "any outside intervention would be preferable to continued and increased chaos." Another reiterated the importance of illegal immigration to local politics, noting that Mr Christie - despite being an "overprogrammed prime minister" - repeatedly requested and put aside a full hour for an urgent meeting to inform US officials of his position on Haiti. That position, the cables claim, placed a comparatively low priority on the human rights of the Haitian people. One of the cables, issued in April 2003 by notoriously combative US Ambassador Richard Blankenship (see story, page 7), said that fear of "mass migration" was the Bahamas government's top priority, but that an immigration agreement with the Aristide government stalled over the Haitian demand that amnesty be granted to the illegals already in the country. It said: "Such a concession would be suicide for Mitchell in the xenophobic Bahamian political landscape. Pursuit of this agreement and any other means to slow down migration will continue to push any concerns for democracy and human rights into the backseat." A February 2004 cable quoted Mr Christie as saying that if large numbers of Haitians started arriving in Bahamian territory, the government would not offer asylum, but rather rely on the United States to help with repatriation. "The Bahamas, he said, simply had no capacity to maintain large numbers of migrants for any period of time. Declaring that he had no concert with 'those liberals' on this issue, he declared that there would never be asylum in the Bahamas for Haitians. "The total population of the Bahamas was, he said, 'less than that of a small town in the United States. We simply cannot do what Amnesty International and other groups would insist on us'." The February 2004 cable quotes Mr Christie as mentioning the possibility that Fred Mitchell could play a "new and significant ongoing role in Haiti as the third member in a tripartite committee that, Christie seemed to believe, would effectively serve as a kind of 'Council of Wise Men' in governing the country." Under this scenario, Mr Mitchell, as the representative of "CARICOM and others" would have governed Haiti along with a new Haitian prime minister and a representative of the opposition. The former PM is quoted as saying President Aristide had reservations about the plan and for his own part, Mr Christie would prefer the third member to be French or American - although he seemed to think Mr Mitchell was the US's preference. The cables do not clarify if this was the case. However, they do paint a picture of a prime minister who is a bit naive about US policy towards Haiti. Despite the hard line on the Haitian regime sustained throughout the crisis - culminating in claims that the United States government abducted President Aristide - Mr Christie appears in the cables as appealing to the US to share his sympathy for the Haitian leader. The February 2004 cable notes that the former PM "appeared comfortable in his newly-assumed role of international mediator," mentioning that he had spoken with Aristide "at least a dozen times" recently and at least once a week that day. Mr Christie is said to have stressed that he and Mr Mitchell felt an agreement should be reached that conferred some "dignity" to Aristide, and that he sympathised with the Haitian leader's complaint that he was being asked to take unconstitutional actions. He added that he does not believe Aristide would be opposed to working with the opposition on the joint appointment of a new prime minister and cabinet, but simply did not want to be "left out of the process." Mr Christie also seemed confident that Mr Mitchell and US Assistant Secretary Roger Noriega would fly to Haiti later that week and "continue to work all sides of the issue." Mr Mitchell, on the other hand, is quoted in a 2003 cable as saying the US position on Haiti was "hard-minded" and calling for more dialogue. Another cable compared Mr Mitchell to Mr Christie, saying that: "While his decision-making style may be protracted and indecisive, Bahamian Prime Minister Perry Christie is also an impressive, dynamic, charismatic and ebullient presence and an indefatigable seeker of consensus. For the purpose of promoting peace in Haiti, his personality complements that of Foreign Minister Mitchell, which is steadier, stealthier, and more methodical." July 25, 2011 Los enemigos de la Patria, por consiguiente nuestros, están todos muy acordes en estas ideas; destruir la nacionalidad aunque para ello sea preciso aniquilar a la Nación entera si vis pacem para bellum |
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| #2 - Posted 30 August 2011, 6:43 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5728 | Das racist yo Quote: Pepe32 previously said: Those "racist" Bahamians are at it again!! THE Christie administration offered to send Bahamian troops to help quell a violent rebellion in Haiti. If it was us the ones on the article instead of the Bahamians, you would have people saying: "Das racist yo". "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #3 - Posted 30 August 2011, 6:43 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5728 | Das racist yo Quote: Pepe32 previously said: Those "racist" Bahamians are at it again!! THE Christie administration offered to send Bahamian troops to help quell a violent rebellion in Haiti. If it was us the ones on the article instead of the Bahamians, you would have people saying: "Das racist yo". "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #4 - Posted 31 August 2011, 10:45 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: February 2008 Member #: 360 Posts: 2744 | RE: Das racist yo Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Pepe32 previously said: Those "racist" Bahamians are at it again!! THE Christie administration offered to send Bahamian troops to help quell a violent rebellion in Haiti. If it was us the ones on the article instead of the Bahamians, you would have people saying: "Das racist yo". True Lautaro,that's what upsets me the most about the situation with Haiti.Others expect us to shoulder the burden of Haiti and when we refuse they pull the race card ,yet the other nations that don't have the misfortune of being next to Haiti can and do react and not a peep is heard from Haitians and the afronazis. Every article on the subject mentions the actions of the tyrant Trujillo but they always neglect to mention the occupation and subsequent invasions and their scorched earth policies! I have come to the conclusion that we have to do what is in our interests and weather the criticism that may come because the result of our current policies will lead to the destruction of DR and the realisation of the monster dessalines dream of a unified island (hell on earth) Edited on 8/31/2011 10:47 AM by Pepe32. Los enemigos de la Patria, por consiguiente nuestros, están todos muy acordes en estas ideas; destruir la nacionalidad aunque para ello sea preciso aniquilar a la Nación entera si vis pacem para bellum |
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| #5 - Posted 31 August 2011, 5:01 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 5911 | RE: Das racist yo Quote: Pepe32 previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Pepe32 previously said: Those "racist" Bahamians are at it again!! THE Christie administration offered to send Bahamian troops to help quell a violent rebellion in Haiti. If it was us the ones on the article instead of the Bahamians, you would have people saying: "Das racist yo". True Lautaro,that's what upsets me the most about the situation with Haiti.Others expect us to shoulder the burden of Haiti and when we refuse they pull the race card ,yet the other nations that don't have the misfortune of being next to Haiti can and do react and not a peep is heard from Haitians and the afronazis. Every article on the subject mentions the actions of the tyrant Trujillo but they always neglect to mention the occupation and subsequent invasions and their scorched earth policies! I have come to the conclusion that we have to do what is in our interests and weather the criticism that may come because the result of our current policies will lead to the destruction of DR and the realisation of the monster dessalines dream of a unified island (hell on earth) The atrocitities committed by Desalines has gone down a black hole as far as intellectuals outside of DR are concerned. Gates didn't even mention it in his ridiculously one-sided documentary. "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill |
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| #6 - Posted 31 August 2011, 6:41 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: January 2010 Member #: 4455 Posts: 1387 | RE: Das racist yo Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: Pepe32 previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Pepe32 previously said: Those "racist" Bahamians are at it again!! THE Christie administration offered to send Bahamian troops to help quell a violent rebellion in Haiti. If it was us the ones on the article instead of the Bahamians, you would have people saying: "Das racist yo". True Lautaro,that's what upsets me the most about the situation with Haiti.Others expect us to shoulder the burden of Haiti and when we refuse they pull the race card ,yet the other nations that don't have the misfortune of being next to Haiti can and do react and not a peep is heard from Haitians and the afronazis. Every article on the subject mentions the actions of the tyrant Trujillo but they always neglect to mention the occupation and subsequent invasions and their scorched earth policies! I have come to the conclusion that we have to do what is in our interests and weather the criticism that may come because the result of our current policies will lead to the destruction of DR and the realisation of the monster dessalines dream of a unified island (hell on earth) The atrocitities committed by Desalines has gone down a black hole as far as intellectuals outside of DR are concerned. Gates didn't even mention it in his ridiculously one-sided documentary. Lol. Typical cult mentallity. Dessalines will always be a hero. I met plenty of Dominicans that don't buy into the 70 year old FOOLstories. |
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| #7 - Posted 31 August 2011, 10:00 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: February 2008 Member #: 360 Posts: 2744 | RE: Das racist yo Quote: ignoranceisbliss previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: Pepe32 previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Pepe32 previously said: Those "racist" Bahamians are at it again!! THE Christie administration offered to send Bahamian troops to help quell a violent rebellion in Haiti. If it was us the ones on the article instead of the Bahamians, you would have people saying: "Das racist yo". True Lautaro,that's what upsets me the most about the situation with Haiti.Others expect us to shoulder the burden of Haiti and when we refuse they pull the race card ,yet the other nations that don't have the misfortune of being next to Haiti can and do react and not a peep is heard from Haitians and the afronazis. Every article on the subject mentions the actions of the tyrant Trujillo but they always neglect to mention the occupation and subsequent invasions and their scorched earth policies! I have come to the conclusion that we have to do what is in our interests and weather the criticism that may come because the result of our current policies will lead to the destruction of DR and the realisation of the monster dessalines dream of a unified island (hell on earth) The atrocitities committed by Desalines has gone down a black hole as far as intellectuals outside of DR are concerned. Gates didn't even mention it in his ridiculously one-sided documentary. Lol. Typical cult mentallity. Dessalines will always be a hero. I met plenty of Dominicans that don't buy into the 70 year old FOOLstories. If I was next to Dessalines grave I would pee and crap on it and no matter how you delude yourself any Dominican that knows history and loves his country knows him as a monster .. Los enemigos de la Patria, por consiguiente nuestros, están todos muy acordes en estas ideas; destruir la nacionalidad aunque para ello sea preciso aniquilar a la Nación entera si vis pacem para bellum |
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| #8 - Posted 1 September 2011, 1:00 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5728 | RE: Das racist yo Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: The atrocitities committed by Desalines has gone down a black hole as far as intellectuals outside of DR are concerned. Gates didn't even mention it in his ridiculously one-sided documentary. The PRican Frank Sweet deserves an honorable mention as one of the only intellectuals out there that hasn't overlooked them, primo, although in his case he only mentioned them as part of his explanation as to why the American northeners would create a One-Drop Rule: "The massacre of over 50 unarmed Whites at the hands of Blacks was led by Nat Turner in Southampton County, Virginia, on the night of August 21, 1831.8 Reports of the event spread terror among White people across the country. That it was an insurrection employing bloody violence against their tormentors, by people who were kept in chains by equally bloody violence, seemed to escape White readers. That it was an unprovoked attack by Blacks against defenseless White women and children was clear to the same White readers. To many fearful Whites, Nat Turner’s rebellion answered the question about what the secret meetings were about Blacks, many Whites feared, were plotting another large-scale extermination of Whites, like the one that had taken place in El Cibao, Santo Domingo, in February of 1805 at the hands of Haitian Emperor Dessalines." http://backintyme.com/essays/item/23 Edited on 9/1/2011 1:01 PM by Lautaro. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #9 - Posted 1 September 2011, 1:04 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5728 | RE: Das racist yo Quote: ignoranceisbliss previously said: Lol. Typical cult mentallity. Dessalines will always be a hero. I met plenty of Dominicans that don't buy into the 70 year old FOOLstories. And I know many more than don't buy the "C'est une et indivisible" BS. Your point? Besides, your own countrymen didn't regard him as a hero when they jumped on him like a pack of ravenous wolves on that fateful day (Oct. 17th, 1806) on the Pont Rouge. He reaped that day what he sowed on a lifetime of carnage and plunder. Edited on 9/1/2011 5:38 PM by Lautaro. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #10 - Posted 1 September 2011, 5:54 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 5911 | RE: Das racist yo Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: ignoranceisbliss previously said: Lol. Typical cult mentallity. Dessalines will always be a hero. I met plenty of Dominicans that don't buy into the 70 year old FOOLstories. And I know many more than don't buy the "C'est une et indivisible" BS. Your point? Besides, your own countrymen didn't regard him as a hero when they jumped on him like a pack of ravenous wolves on that fateful day (Oct. 17th, 1806) on the Pont Rouge. He reaped that day what he sowed on a lifetime of carnage and plunder. This is there national deity. You can bring proof from various sources as to who and what Dessalines was..but in the end he'll still be there national deity. Let them have him. We have the truth which is much more tangible than some false god. Edited on 9/1/2011 5:59 PM by cibaeño75. "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill |
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