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#11 - Posted 16 December 2011, 7:44 AM
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He gives the impression that Religion is/was the main thing holding Haiti back. Too simplex. Eschew Vaudou and bingo, we're on our way.

As far I'm concerned, Haitians are too damn religious (coming from a former altar boy).



Failure to massify the educational system have hurt the country much more than the Voudou thing. But the main one for me is the fact that the elites have totally divorced themselves from the masses, both at the linguistical and the mentality level. A country can't advance if the head is divorced from the rest of the body.
Edited on 12/16/2011 7:46 AM by Lautaro.
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He gives the impression that Religion is/was the main thing holding Haiti back. Too simplex. Eschew Vaudou and bingo, we're on our way.

As far I'm concerned, Haitians are too damn religious (coming from a former altar boy).



Failure to massify the educational system have hurt the country much more than the Voudou thing. But the main one for me is the fact that the elites have totally divorced themselves from the masses, both at the linguistical and the mentality level. A country can't advance if the head is divorced from the rest of the body.



You are absolutely correct. I have been noticing that for years. It is like two different worlds, not only because of the differences in economic and social levels but in everything else. They are totally aloof, the masses are of no concerns in any way. They just don't care and that is a big mistake. It is like two different and separate worlds. It should not be that way. The two are unevenly yoked
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He gives the impression that Religion is/was the main thing holding Haiti back. Too simplex. Eschew Vaudou and bingo, we're on our way.

As far I'm concerned, Haitians are too damn religious (coming from a former altar boy).



Failure to massify the educational system have hurt the country much more than the Voudou thing. But the main one for me is the fact that the elites have totally divorced themselves from the masses, both at the linguistical and the mentality level. A country can't advance if the head is divorced from the rest of the body.



You are absolutely correct. I have been noticing that for years. It is like two different worlds, not only because of the differences in economic and social levels but in everything else. They are totally aloof, the masses are of no concerns in any way. They just don't care and that is a big mistake. It is like two different and separate worlds. It should not be that way. The two are unevenly yoked



26 January 2012 Last updated at 20:29 ET


Voodoo artists heal Haiti quake's aftershocks

Haitian-American musician Val Jeanty uses drum beats to create a funky fusion she calls "voodoo electronica"

Two years after an earthquake devastated Haiti, Haitians in America have turned to traditional religious ritual for comfort. Leigh Paterson explains the power of voodoo (spelt 'vodou' in Creole).

They gather at a voodoo temple in a dark Brooklyn basement strewn with candles, plastic skulls and half-empty bottles of rum, the remains of a recent ceremony.

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With the knowledge of herbs and stars, we can heal”

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There, Haitian-American artists come to talk about their faith in voodoo and how it keeps them connected to their homeland.

"The religion is like a glue," says voodoo priestess Marie Saintil. "We attract each other. If a drum is beating, and someone hears it, the next thing you know, this place is packed."

That connection is especially important this month, on the two-year anniversary of the earthquake that devastated Haiti.

Since the quake, voodoo has played an important role in the healing process. Many of these Haitian immigrants have found comfort in the faith and community that voodoo cultivates, practitioners of the religion in the US say.

Fusion of beliefs

Haitian voodoo is an ancient practice that emerged among the first Africans brought to Haiti as slaves in the 16th Century.

Atibon Legba Mr Legba says voodoo offers a link to nature and ancestors

Unable to practice their own diverse religions openly, the slaves fused them with the Catholic beliefs of the Spanish and French slavers.

From these complex beginnings voodoo has become an important part of Haitian culture, especially for those living far from home.

Marie Saintil came to Brooklyn more than 20 years ago.

"We advise, we help. Any time of the night and day, we get phone calls from our religious children," Ms Saintil says. "Sickness, family troubles, we are right in there."

The 2010 earthquake left homeless 1.5 million Haitians, some of whom came to the US.

About 48,000 Haitians arriving within a year after the quake were given temporary permission to stay, work and send money home, as were about 200,000 who had previously been in the US, according to the US Department of Homeland Security.

'Magic happens'

After the quake hit, Haitian communities across the US came together and used voodoo to make sense of the tragedy.

"This is where the magic happens, beauty happens, the healing happens, counselling happens," says Atibon Legba, a Brooklyn-based actor, gesturing to the darkened temple.

A voodoo ceremony

Voodoo ceremonies do not take place on a weekly basis, like Catholic mass or a Jewish Shabbat service.

A voodoo practitioner can request a ritual meeting with a priest or priestess but, more often, ritual ceremonies mark holidays.

Practitioners hope to connect with deceased ancestors through a series of songs and prayers.

During the singing and drumming, they aim to become possessed by voodoo spirits.

"Voodoo is veneration of our ancestors and also our connection to nature," says Brooklyn-based actor Atibon Legba.

At a recent ceremony practitioners in the Brooklyn temple celebrated the Gede, an important voodoo spirit who connects with the dead.

"With the knowledge of herbs and stars, we can heal."

Voodoo practitioner Neg Mawon, who was in Brooklyn when the quake struck, explained that by consulting certain voodoo spirits, he finally came to understand and accept what had occurred.

"When it happened, we were doing small groups of networking, trying to comfort each other," he says.

"We had so many voodoo ceremonies and musicians who had been playing fundraisers. We had a great support system in New York."

Brooklyn-based photographer Regine Romain visited Haiti two weeks after the quake and attributes many of the miraculous survival stories to the country's faith in voodoo.

"Our spiritual connection is what really helped us get past the tragedy," she says.

"I had to really start praying that people would be found. It is a land filled with magic, and a connection to that which was unseen.

"Whether you're voodooist, Christian, Baptist, Hindu, whatever your background is, there is an understanding that life is not permanent. And in the traditions of voodoo, there is peace that is made with death."
Edited on 1/29/2012 2:09 PM by Atabey.

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Lawrence E. Harrison, the Director of the Cultural Change Institute, looks at the history of Haiti and what events may have led to its vulnerable state before the earthquake.



Here goes another religious propaganda non-sense.

First of all is well documented scientifically that sense of right and wrong does NOT come or is related to religious beliefs. If that was the case the most secular countries would have been the poorer and unsafe but is totally the opposite.

So no human moral values DO NOT come from religion, in fact the best thing is to move away from all beliefs of supernatural beings.

We can point to many countries that have different religions and yet find themselves not much better than Haiti today. This propaganda non-sense must come to an end soon.
Edited on 1/30/2012 7:16 PM by Belly.
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