#161 - Posted 11 February 2010, 5:22 PM
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We know this. This is why I argued that it doesn't matter. The Haitian diaspora isn't full of upper class people. At best a few professionals and some middle class.


Define upper class people. Just because someone isn't upper class doesn't mean that they cannot be of value to a society. Haitians of value in the diaspora should have dual citizenship. I mean heck it's almost cakewalk to acquire a Dominican citizenship for a non-Dominican compared to acquiring citizenship for other countries in the Caribbean or Latin America.


Hey Ma,

I gotta tell you the dual citizenship issue isn't even really an issue. That doesn't deter any Haitian from helping the people, stimulating the economy, promoting education. Its like those who say they don't need to get married b/c they don't need that piece of paper. Haitians naturalized as US citizens know their people, their culture. They still live and function down there as if they never left.
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#162 - Posted 11 February 2010, 5:25 PM
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Please don't confirm information by posting a link to another "forum." And I think you and I know that a cute and spiffy "voting ballot" is not what puts them in office anyway. You talk about dual citizenship like it would actually matter in that country. Talk to a Haitian about "voting" (which is the only difference in this situation) most will laugh. Corruption makes it so that the only voice you ever hear is your own.


Dual citizenship is more than about voting. There are many economic benefits to a poor nation that allows Dual citizenship. There is no incentive for a successful naturalized immigrant to return to their place of origin if their birth country has withdrawn their citizenship.



CORRECTION: There is no incentive for a successful naturalized immigrant to return to their place of origin if there was kidnapping, violence, and at times even rejection or destroying of aid (pre-earthquake days) yes, towards the diaspora.

Did any of you know that much? For the most part, some of us have to go to our local CAMS or money-wires and send what we can to help as well as some packages with those who can go down there for those we know struggling. That's part of our reality in the diaspora. Not many of us have the man-power and security (even the money at times) of Sir Clef to go down there and make the difference needed, but hopefully with this new international occupation going on, we can make something happen.



The point is that you can only do so much as a non-citizen.


I think you've obviously seen that you can only do so much as a citizen as well. The elite and government took care of that one.
Edited on 2/11/2010 5:30 PM by talia.
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#163 - Posted 11 February 2010, 5:25 PM
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They sure are getting a lot of "non-citizen" help and money.
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#164 - Posted 11 February 2010, 5:43 PM
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We know this. This is why I argued that it doesn't matter. The Haitian diaspora isn't full of upper class people. At best a few professionals and some middle class.


Define upper class people. Just because someone isn't upper class doesn't mean that they cannot be of value to a society. Haitians of value in the diaspora should have dual citizenship. I mean heck it's almost cakewalk to acquire a Dominican citizenship for a non-Dominican compared to acquiring citizenship for other countries in the Caribbean or Latin America.


Hey Ma,

I gotta tell you the dual citizenship issue isn't even really an issue. That doesn't deter any Haitian from helping the people, stimulating the economy, promoting education. Its like those who say they don't need to get married b/c they don't need that piece of paper. Haitians naturalized as US citizens know their people, their culture. They still live and function down there as if they never left.


http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/letters/story/1453998.html

"While there is a 25-year difference between the times each country's dictatorships fell, which could explain most of the gap in their respective political developments, most scholars agree that one of the key factors contributing to the economic and social development of the Dominican Republic is its government's decision to grant dual citizenship to its diaspora."

"This is significant because people tend to support that which they help to create. And from an economic standpoint, the Haitian diaspora are more willing to invest in their country if they feel they have some representation (they won't accept ``taxation without representation''). By obtaining dual citizenship, Haitian Americans would have the right to vote in Haitian elections just like Dominican Americans do"

"Haiti benefits tremendously from the remittances Haitians in the United States send to relatives, but what the country lacks is widespread institutional investment. Who better to invest in Haiti than those Haitian Americans who have prospered not only from American largess but also from American democracy?"

"This is critically important because it will take the participation of democracy-loving Haitian Americans to truly transform the country and replace the elite robber barons who control much of the country's economic engine. If there's to be any semblance of a large, vibrant Haitian economy it has to be broad and deep; and that will drive the development of a transparent Haitian society, which will lead to true democracy in Haiti."

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#165 - Posted 11 February 2010, 10:38 PM
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It's all a complicated issue that requires many reflections and many reforms lawfully, politically, economically, physically, agriculturally, industrially, educationally, spiritually, and morally.
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Great to see many pondering ideas about the possibilities and alternatives after this horrible quake.
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#167 - Posted 27 May 2010, 2:10 PM
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U KNOW I HATE THAT PEOPLE ARE SOO JUDGEMENTAL OF PEOPLE, EVENTS, AND CULTURES THAT THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND...
I WISH I COULD OST A PICTURE OF ME AND ALL OF MY COUSINS
WE ARE HAITIAN; STRAIGHT FROM THE ISLANDS AND WE ARE ALL BEAUTIFUL, SMART, AND GIFTED WOMEN....
AND I AM ONE OF THE FAIREST WOMEN OF THEM ALL HONESTLY AND TRUELY, I IMPRESS PEOPLE JUST BY THE SMILE ON MY FACE, THE GLARE IN MY EYES, AND THE FLO OF MY BODY...


PEOPLE NEED TO STOP BEING SO BIAS
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#168 - Posted 27 May 2010, 4:07 PM
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U KNOW I HATE THAT PEOPLE ARE SOO JUDGEMENTAL OF PEOPLE, EVENTS, AND CULTURES THAT THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND...
I WISH I COULD OST A PICTURE OF ME AND ALL OF MY COUSINS
WE ARE HAITIAN; STRAIGHT FROM THE ISLANDS AND WE ARE ALL BEAUTIFUL, SMART, AND GIFTED WOMEN....
AND I AM ONE OF THE FAIREST WOMEN OF THEM ALL HONESTLY AND TRUELY, I IMPRESS PEOPLE JUST BY THE SMILE ON MY FACE, THE GLARE IN MY EYES, AND THE FLO OF MY BODY...


PEOPLE NEED TO STOP BEING SO BIAS

IMHO: @Talia has nothing to envy YOU

Also posting a picture is very easy here: you only has to copy the path to your picture click on picture Icon that simbol with the mountain and the sun above (Comment-Box) and paste.
Example path: C:\windoof\pictures\myPhoto.jpg

BTW: You don't need to write in UPPERCASE
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#169 - Posted 27 May 2010, 4:14 PM
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I CAN WRITE IN UPPERCASE IF I WANT, FIRST OFF HUNNY I CANT C THAT WELL, SO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT MATTER AT HAND... NOT ON PETTY NOTHINGNESS AS SUCH...
GUD DAY MA'AM

U NEED NOT TO BE ENVIOUS, I DID NOT STATE SUCH;;;;
JUST EVERYONE BE PROUD, R DID THAT GESTURE GO OVER YOUR HEAD YOUNG ONE
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What the superior man seeks is in himself; what the small man seeks is in others.

I seek nothing but love, truth, and respect from all and all will recieve from me; REGARDLESS OF SELF STATURE
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