Sensible is this?



Or this?



Please check your books because it seems that you got your authors and references mixed up and now don't know or can decided, were Tainos extint or not, Haitians freed them or not? Were they there or extint by no lest than 200 years?

Go figure, maybe reading so much material and different authors affects some part of the brain?

Micaela,
Just do your country a favor and don't talk...nothing but nonsense comes out of you.r mouth. If I have to explain why the things you quoted from me don't go together, you have already shown me that you are special ed. Everytime you speak it is like diarreah of the mouth, non-stop shit, you make me laugh though because you represent an educated Dominican, the fact that you speak english says a lot.

Look imbecile, just because the slaves had a revolution in the late 1700's doesn't mean that they just arrived on the island dick. Second genius, I said pure blood taino, which means not mixed was said to be extinct by the 16th century, which for a clown like you to understand means the 1500's. Therefore, any traces of the Taino would be in a mixed race....who did they mix with .....hmmm, AFRICANS. I know it hurts but your African sorry to tell you. You are not a Taino, you maybe one of those Dominicans who have some Taino blood way back, but you are not a Taino, so stop acting like they are your direct ancestors. It is 2010, and they died out in the 1500's as a pure race, do the math smarty. That is a half a millineum, lol joker go rest your head. Infact, I see your problem, you think 17th century means the samething as 1700's...lol

Poor Sensible, me, bad Dominican girl forced you to show your true colors; sorry about it. I am also sorry to inform you that I am not insulted by who wants to, only by who can, and you cannot, so keep barking to the moon.

Of course the slaves or the French, at that, did not arrive on 1700. I had been telling you precisely when they did. So you didn’t said pure blood Taino. As you are fluent in Spanish, you will understand this classic case of “Donde dije digo, Diego”, Now also any traces of the Tainos would be mixed with Africans. All of a sudden, there are not French mixing with Tainos, but with their mixed descendant with the slave that had not yet arrived in Hispaniola, being that the French planters got there first that their slaves and there were not so many Tainos or descendants, by 1606, as to have significant numbers mixing with those original French planters.

By the way, I have never claimed that Tainos are my direct ancestors, my claim is that Dominicans and Haitians are different people, with different mix.

Now when there it said mixed with Africans


when you said that the Haitians freed Tainos and African slaves, you really mean Africans and mixed Taino/African descendants, or you don't know wthat were saying?

Now Mr, Sensible let’s see about your claims: Reading the books of Gwendolyn Midlo Hall, Alonzo Sandoval and having plenty of REAL references to quote from. You told us before, don’t test you (maybe because you will fail? You do not talk on a topic unless you know. You gave us facts, you quoted from real sources, not drawn out of imaginary world. Latin America and The Slave Trade. You don’t deal in opinions facts only. Everything you have said is backed by Historians. You also know the connections that still exist between different colonies and their pre-slavery ancestors. As well as a knowledge of the Colonial process, which brings into play the effect on the aboriginal populations(Arawaks) of those areas, and what happened to them as a result of the contact with the Europeans and the Africans (of course you know well what happened to their Tainos mix descendant in the French colony of Hispaniola, right? After all as Dominicans, they too had African blood, therefore should be part of your knowledge)

But what did I said that set you off and forced you to show your true colors? Maybe this
-Do you see why we are not the same racial mix, or the same anything, except the same human beings, both exploited by whites, but from day one, distinctive race mix, culture, language and values.
-Santana beating the hell of the most power army of the time every time they faced each.
-Haiti being the poorest country of American and one the poorest in the world, plagued by hunger, diseases, lack of water, food, education, health care, safety, human dignity, being kept a float only by the international charity, while some of you still talk about your greatness.
-Haitians women and children beggars invading our streets, the hundreds of thousands of unskilled braceros, exploited and discriminated willing to work less money or maybe only for a daily plate of food, poor victims of our racism, the thousands of women that scared of die in labor in the horrible place their live, come to safely deliver their children to DR hospitals, the victims of massive deportation who immediately turn around and come right back to DR.
-Mr. Sensible only saw tri and Quad-Lingual Haitians in Punta Cana, Higuey, Bavaro, Santiago, Puerto Plata, and Santo Domingo
-If you have any written sources by notable Authors about Taino history I will be happy to read it, if you don't have any to offer keep quiet. Because then you are not speaking on anything factual, you are speaking on opinion or mythology. It might be that in this, and only this instance, you did not know what you were saying, or were not quoting one of the books? If that is the case, please let me know.
-Haiti pushed the French out, the problem is that to keep the out they had to pay a humongous amount, giving you the dubious honor of being the only American country forced to pay a king ramson for their independence.
-Treason committed by Dessalines against all the liberated blacks in Haiti. He liberated them from slavery to proceed immediately to subjugate them as their subjects, proclaiming himself their king and ridiculously trying to copy the pompousness of the French courts
-Papa Doc did in your side, empowering himself convincing his people that they were only poor, illiterate blacks, while he was a powerful voodoo protégée and that they better submit or else?

You see, reading everything I almost understand why you are so upset, but even so, I cannot understand de lack of restrain of suuuuch and educated man, you are letting all Haitians down, proving that you cannot participate in a civil discussion without recurring to personal insults and foul language.

Ignorance ,your HBO is making the forum unbreathable...please take a bath after cleaning toilets all day in Spring Valley .

I dont live in Srping Valley I live in NJ. I have said it over and over again I guess your big brain cant process simple information. Cleaning toilets sorry PEPE my hands dont have callouses my friend. smooth as a babies bottom. I can tell you my background but I wont waste of time

And by the way I am a peasant which goes to show that a Dominican "peasant " can go Tete a Tete with one of the few literate (well semi) Haitians and give him nightmares ...

(nightmares) LOL. You make stupid slanderous comments against haiti and haitians and I will respond everytime.

you have a hard on for me but I don't play with guys

I told you before no men for me maybe your girl if shes a dime and all she would get from me is 30 minutes and send her home to you with me dripping out of her so you can lick her clean.
and even if I did I wouldn't ever go to the level of Haitians until you all become more civilised and discover deodorant .
Poverty doesnt discriminate remember except in your mind.

You see most people want to improve their lives


Improve their lives? true. So why are you working in a factory for minimum wage. just like your parents. You were suppose to surpass them remember. That what backwards haitian parents teach their kids.

and all Haitians would do is bring people back several generations on the evolutionary scale.

I've evolved why havent you?


So Piti you can continue to be our plaything or you can actually do something for the wasteland in western Española.


I'm doing something stopping morons like you from continuing to slander haiti. 200 years draggin the name haiti thru the mud will stop if I'm around.

Micaela, first I didn't know you were a woman or else I wouldn't have been so harsh. I am going to be straight forward all the time, and if I see passive aggresive disrespect or racism, then I will address it. Until participating in discussions on this site, I didn't have dispariging things to say about Dominicans. However, that being said everything I have said is cohesive, it seems you have become confused with when I am speaking about DR vs when I am speaking about Haiti. The only point that I have brought home over and over is that the ROOTS of Haiti and DR are similar, they are not exact but are similar. Check the post you first responded to from me. As I have stated before I don't have a large amount of knowledge about Arawaks other than the basics...which region they originated, what areas they inhabited, who they mixed with and when the pure races became extinct. With that being said I am concluding our discussion because I don't get in confrontations with women verbally, physically, or online. I wish you the best.

Sensible what me being a woman has to do with anything? You really surprised me, I didn’t know this was a confrontation; I thought it was a exchange of different points of view between educated people, not an arena for you to unleash the foul language and verbal abuse, that you so lamely call harsh. It is hard for me to believe that an educated man, that expends a lot of time reading and who necessarily has to have female classmates, co-workers, friends, etc. lack the ability of exchanging in a properly manner with women.

Be that as it may, of what passive/aggressive disrespect or racism are you talking about? Precisely that the ROOTS of Haiti and DR are not that similar is what I thought we were discussing. And because, in spite of your claims of only speaking of what you know and be backed by books, authors and real references was that I insisted that you understand that Dominicans are a mix of Spanish, Arawaks and Africans, that the number of Africans and the circumstances, completely different from the ones in Haiti, shaped what we both are. The French colony had very little to do with natives, had few whites and a huge amount of Africans, that unless the ones in the Spanish side, have very little interaction with the whites. All that explains why we are different in racial mix, language, religion and culture. But you started claiming first that the Arawaks were all over the island when the French settled in the west, then that they mixed with those Arawaks, the same that with the Africans and later that they were extinct, etc. etc.

If you want to conclude the discussion I am OK with that, but let me tell you something, somebody else, women or men cannot, or should not determine your conduct. If you are a civil, educated man they should raise to your level, no you descend to theirs because if you do, you only let your people and yourself down or as I said, show your true colors

I was concluding the discussion previous to hearing from you. And your right it shouldn't matter whether it is man or woman, but if someone tries to disrespect me or my culture there is only so much I'm willing to take without lashing out. I have too many posts on this site explaining the samething over and over. You made personal attacks on myself and Haitians in a passive and aggresive way, so rather get into a confrontation online with you, I am going to step away. When you start saying things in regards to race, such as Negroid or begging Haitians, my kindness is finished. I did go down to your level, until I found out your a woman, and I am not going to disrespect a woman. That's is just how I feel

If you said something I think is wrong and I try to cajole you into prove it or admit that you are wrong, I am not making any passive or aggressive personal attacks on you or Haitians in any way. You said something that later you have to admit know almost nothing about-Tainos mixing with French and Blacks in Hispaniola- in the mean time explaining that all you said is based in books, so I just try to force you to do just that, justify it or retract.

Now when you said that Dominicans can barely speak two languages, they don't go beyond high school, their highest aspiration is owning a bodega, or restaurant, and hit on the large amount of Dominican women without papers, in prostitution, etc., of course you will get an answer. You talked about what you know of Dominicans, I pointed out what we know about Haitians, especially the ones living in DR. What goes around comes around. You cannot expect badmouthed Dominicans without getting rebutted, when we have so much to tell about them.

As I told you, I didn’t want to insult Haitians, but of course I won’t swallow silently your or at that, anybody abuse and slander against us. You could check my past interactions in this foro and you would see that I am respectful of everybody, including my adversaries, I don’t use foul language or personal attacks, even when I am the target of some, but when somebody try to hit DR or Dominicans, I will respond in earnest, but without descending to the level of the attacker if it is low.